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  • supersporksuperspork Registered User regular
    Cello wrote: »
    If you're tempted to listen to the recent-ish Comanche episode of The Dollop, allow me to offer an alternative:

    Give it a pass

    I have liked a few episodes of the Dollop in the past, but gave the opioid one a try and bounced off hard

    I like the history aspects but the jokes occasionally punch down and happen a bit too often/unnaturally when I would really rather just hear about the history

    What was so bad about that episode specifically, out of curiosity?

    The thing about The Dollop is, Dave relies on a lot of first-person historical accounts. Which is usually fine, and is often the best way to tell a historical story. But this particular story is told about Indians, in a time where the only documented accounts are from white people.

    The Comanches weren't writing down their side of things; it wasn't a going concern at the time. They were more concerned with, y'know, survival. Oral histories were kept, but those aren't counted as "documentation" and aren't really accessible to outside parties - in large part because they'd be dismissed.

    Anyway, what it boils down to is: I don't trust even a single "official" narrative of an Indian battle in this episode. I don't trust even a single account of a capture by Indian tribes. A lot of the shit that gets said is straight-up nonsensical, and it drives me bonkers when it's accepted at face value because a white person at the time said it. White folks were actively involved in stealing land, and any narrative that helped justify this would be published. Any narrative that went against that would be buried.

    Like, I used to work at a historical village. In this town, there was a "massacre" (read: more white victims than Indians. When the ratio goes the other way, it's a "battle."). Amongst the people captured were an 18-year-old gal and her 60-year-old mother. When they were rescued, the 60-year-old spoke on the sexual depravities the savages visited upon her and her fellow captives. The 18-year-old said, "Uh, no, we were treated really well and I think we might all have bogus ideas about Indians." She went on a speaking tour to tell people about how egregious the misconceptions were, and how well she was treated, and how awful the portrayal of the "massacre" was.

    The public at large deemed the young gal to be "seduced" by the ravaging of the savages, and out of her gourd. She was shunned, and died penniless.

    Anyway, the episode is basically nothing but accounts of Comanche behavior written by people who had a vested interest in the Comanche seeming monstrous. It sucks on wheels.

    pooro have you read The Comanche Empire, by Pekka Hamalainen

    i have read a lot of books about history but this is the one that most stuck with me

    unlike Empire of the Summer Moon which was racist garbage

    I read Empire of the Summer Moon about a year or so ago and I'm pretty sure, from what I remember of it, that its what Dave used as a source for the bulk of that episode. Seems to follow the beats and stories of it fairly closely.

  • Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    superspork wrote: »
    Cello wrote: »
    If you're tempted to listen to the recent-ish Comanche episode of The Dollop, allow me to offer an alternative:

    Give it a pass

    I have liked a few episodes of the Dollop in the past, but gave the opioid one a try and bounced off hard

    I like the history aspects but the jokes occasionally punch down and happen a bit too often/unnaturally when I would really rather just hear about the history

    What was so bad about that episode specifically, out of curiosity?

    The thing about The Dollop is, Dave relies on a lot of first-person historical accounts. Which is usually fine, and is often the best way to tell a historical story. But this particular story is told about Indians, in a time where the only documented accounts are from white people.

    The Comanches weren't writing down their side of things; it wasn't a going concern at the time. They were more concerned with, y'know, survival. Oral histories were kept, but those aren't counted as "documentation" and aren't really accessible to outside parties - in large part because they'd be dismissed.

    Anyway, what it boils down to is: I don't trust even a single "official" narrative of an Indian battle in this episode. I don't trust even a single account of a capture by Indian tribes. A lot of the shit that gets said is straight-up nonsensical, and it drives me bonkers when it's accepted at face value because a white person at the time said it. White folks were actively involved in stealing land, and any narrative that helped justify this would be published. Any narrative that went against that would be buried.

    Like, I used to work at a historical village. In this town, there was a "massacre" (read: more white victims than Indians. When the ratio goes the other way, it's a "battle."). Amongst the people captured were an 18-year-old gal and her 60-year-old mother. When they were rescued, the 60-year-old spoke on the sexual depravities the savages visited upon her and her fellow captives. The 18-year-old said, "Uh, no, we were treated really well and I think we might all have bogus ideas about Indians." She went on a speaking tour to tell people about how egregious the misconceptions were, and how well she was treated, and how awful the portrayal of the "massacre" was.

    The public at large deemed the young gal to be "seduced" by the ravaging of the savages, and out of her gourd. She was shunned, and died penniless.

    Anyway, the episode is basically nothing but accounts of Comanche behavior written by people who had a vested interest in the Comanche seeming monstrous. It sucks on wheels.

    pooro have you read The Comanche Empire, by Pekka Hamalainen

    i have read a lot of books about history but this is the one that most stuck with me

    unlike Empire of the Summer Moon which was racist garbage

    I read Empire of the Summer Moon about a year or so ago and I'm pretty sure, from what I remember of it, that its what Dave used as a source for the bulk of that episode. Seems to follow the beats and stories of it fairly closely.

    the thesis of Empire of the Summer Moon is that the Comaches did terrible things because they were culturally inferior to the enlightened West. so this holds up

    The Comanche Empire acknowledges that it's probably true they did a bunch of war crimes, but doesn't see that as different in kind from anything Europeans did. it sees the Comanches as an imperial power in their own right and argues that they were able to successfully subdue a number of European colonial states and compel them to pay tribute to their own nomadic empire

    Hamalainen says his intention is to treat Native Americans as intelligent political agents, rather than either violent savages or passive victims. which makes sense imo

  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Yep empire of the summer moon is listed as one of the four sources on the dollop website

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    So this is the porn thread?
    Finally!

  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    So this is the porn thread?
    Finally!

    Not porn of you, dude

  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Finally my letter writing campaign to the mods bears fruit.

  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    TAZ is good

  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Anything I need to know about stolen century before jumping back into taz

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Anything I need to know about stolen century before jumping back into taz

    You should listen to it

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    Poor Nogrophy.

    nogrophy's porfect

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  • Medium DaveMedium Dave Registered User regular
    Anything I need to know about stolen century before jumping back into taz
    They created the artifacts and that went rotten so the director used the Voidfish to steal everyone's memories of the whole shebang.

  • TallahasseerielTallahasseeriel Registered User regular
    The stolen century is probably better then when they are playing d&d

  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Anything I need to know about stolen century before jumping back into taz
    They created the artifacts and that went rotten so the director used the Voidfish to steal everyone's memories of the whole shebang.
    I feel like Merle's parlays with The Hunger might end up being significant.

    The tl;dr there is Merle spent a bunch of years doing this thing where he and The Hunger (who took the form of a dude, which I think is implied to be his original self before the whole Hunger thing happened) would go to this extradimensional space and just, like, exchange questions and answers until The Hunger decided he was done and killed Merle to end the session. They kind of developed a rapport over time, and it ended up taking on a sort of Professor X and Magneto playing chess vibe. Definitely ended with Merle telling the Hunger he sucked though.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Yep empire of the summer moon is listed as one of the four sources on the dollop website

    Well I guess that puts the final nail in the coffin for me and The Dollop.

    I was already personally not the biggest fan of their podcast because I'm not a fan of their humor, but, I'm always excited to get new and interesting history. But if they aren't going to even bother do solid research and find good sources I don't have a desire to listen to them.

    I wish Hardcore History put stuff out more frequently, but at least it's worth the wait.

  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    Anything I need to know about stolen century before jumping back into taz
    They created the artifacts and that went rotten so the director used the Voidfish to steal everyone's memories of the whole shebang.
    I feel like Merle's parlays with The Hunger might end up being significant.

    The tl;dr there is Merle spent a bunch of years doing this thing where he and The Hunger (who took the form of a dude, which I think is implied to be his original self before the whole Hunger thing happened) would go to this extradimensional space and just, like, exchange questions and answers until The Hunger decided he was done and killed Merle to end the session. They kind of developed a rapport over time, and it ended up taking on a sort of Professor X and Magneto playing chess vibe. Definitely ended with Merle telling the Hunger he sucked though.
    Also, I think the rule with the Parlay is that the one who initiated it is at the whim and the will of the one who is summoned. Which is why John would kill Merle whenever he would get bored of him.

    I think John at this point wants to die, Merle is going to kill him, realize it was a mistake and then use his gift from Istus to turn back time by 8 seconds and go for a more peaceful resolution.

    There's no way this doesn't end without the world banding together under the IPRE and driving back The Hunger with the power of friendship and teamwork.

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Yeah, The Dollop is not a podcast run by diligent historians. Frequently this is fine by me - I'll use the weird things they found as a jumping off point for my own research - but in terms of trustworthy facts, I trust them less than I do a Cracked article.

  • Medium DaveMedium Dave Registered User regular
    Anything I need to know about stolen century before jumping back into taz
    They created the artifacts and that went rotten so the director used the Voidfish to steal everyone's memories of the whole shebang.
    I feel like Merle's parlays with The Hunger might end up being significant.

    The tl;dr there is Merle spent a bunch of years doing this thing where he and The Hunger (who took the form of a dude, which I think is implied to be his original self before the whole Hunger thing happened) would go to this extradimensional space and just, like, exchange questions and answers until The Hunger decided he was done and killed Merle to end the session. They kind of developed a rapport over time, and it ended up taking on a sort of Professor X and Magneto playing chess vibe. Definitely ended with Merle telling the Hunger he sucked though.

    Yeah, that, too. Which I had completely forgotten about because I feel like it was 2 months ago when it happened.

  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Anything I need to know about stolen century before jumping back into taz
    They created the artifacts and that went rotten so the director used the Voidfish to steal everyone's memories of the whole shebang.
    I feel like Merle's parlays with The Hunger might end up being significant.

    The tl;dr there is Merle spent a bunch of years doing this thing where he and The Hunger (who took the form of a dude, which I think is implied to be his original self before the whole Hunger thing happened) would go to this extradimensional space and just, like, exchange questions and answers until The Hunger decided he was done and killed Merle to end the session. They kind of developed a rapport over time, and it ended up taking on a sort of Professor X and Magneto playing chess vibe. Definitely ended with Merle telling the Hunger he sucked though.

    Yeah, that, too. Which I had completely forgotten about because I feel like it was 2 months ago when it happened.

    I think it might have been longer because I remember that and I stopped listening a pretty long time ago now

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  • MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    Just started listening the the Beastcast, and this assigned seating thing at movie theaters is blowing my mind. I guess I haven't been to one in a really long time.

  • masterofmetroidmasterofmetroid Have you ever looked at a world and seen it as a kind of challenge?Registered User regular
    Maximum wrote: »
    Just started listening the the Beastcast, and this assigned seating thing at movie theaters is blowing my mind. I guess I haven't been to one in a really long time.
    This has just started being a thing i've had to deal with a couple times and i hate it, it better not become standard practice

    I'm sure it's fine for really packed showings but i never go to those so just fuckin' let me get my middle seats

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Wait, is buying a movie ticket for a specific seat not standard practice everywhere? Because it's been so for like a decade at least where I live.

    And I fucking love it. Never wait in a line, never have to worry about showing up to a film early. Get to walk in a minute before the film starts, skip all the terrible adverts, and enjoy your film.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Wait, is buying a movie ticket for a specific seat not standard practice everywhere? Because it's been so for like a decade at least where I live.

    And I fucking love it. Never wait in a line, never have to worry about showing up to a film early. Get to walk in a minute before the film starts, skip all the terrible adverts, and enjoy your film.

    It is not, no

    We've got 3 theaters here and I avoid the one that does it like the plague

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  • LorahaloLorahalo Registered User regular
    Maximum wrote: »
    Just started listening the the Beastcast, and this assigned seating thing at movie theaters is blowing my mind. I guess I haven't been to one in a really long time.
    This has just started being a thing i've had to deal with a couple times and i hate it, it better not become standard practice

    I'm sure it's fine for really packed showings but i never go to those so just fuckin' let me get my middle seats

    You can pick what seats you get assigned, so just pick those?

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Lorahalo wrote: »
    Maximum wrote: »
    Just started listening the the Beastcast, and this assigned seating thing at movie theaters is blowing my mind. I guess I haven't been to one in a really long time.
    This has just started being a thing i've had to deal with a couple times and i hate it, it better not become standard practice

    I'm sure it's fine for really packed showings but i never go to those so just fuckin' let me get my middle seats

    You can pick what seats you get assigned, so just pick those?

    You super cant at the one we have that has assigned seating

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Lorahalo wrote: »
    Maximum wrote: »
    Just started listening the the Beastcast, and this assigned seating thing at movie theaters is blowing my mind. I guess I haven't been to one in a really long time.
    This has just started being a thing i've had to deal with a couple times and i hate it, it better not become standard practice

    I'm sure it's fine for really packed showings but i never go to those so just fuckin' let me get my middle seats

    You can pick what seats you get assigned, so just pick those?

    You super cant at the one we have that has assigned seating

    Wait, what?

    Every place I've gone to with assigned seating you pick your seat from the grid when you buy your ticket, that's like the entire point is to lock in a good seat.

    How does the place by you do it?

  • LorahaloLorahalo Registered User regular
    Lorahalo wrote: »
    Maximum wrote: »
    Just started listening the the Beastcast, and this assigned seating thing at movie theaters is blowing my mind. I guess I haven't been to one in a really long time.
    This has just started being a thing i've had to deal with a couple times and i hate it, it better not become standard practice

    I'm sure it's fine for really packed showings but i never go to those so just fuckin' let me get my middle seats

    You can pick what seats you get assigned, so just pick those?

    You super cant at the one we have that has assigned seating

    Ok that is even worse than not having assigned seating, who's dumb idea was that? Every single theatre I've ever been to with assigned seating has let you pick your seats.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Lorahalo wrote: »
    Maximum wrote: »
    Just started listening the the Beastcast, and this assigned seating thing at movie theaters is blowing my mind. I guess I haven't been to one in a really long time.
    This has just started being a thing i've had to deal with a couple times and i hate it, it better not become standard practice

    I'm sure it's fine for really packed showings but i never go to those so just fuckin' let me get my middle seats

    You can pick what seats you get assigned, so just pick those?

    You super cant at the one we have that has assigned seating

    Wait, what?

    Every place I've gone to with assigned seating you pick your seat from the grid when you buy your ticket, that's like the entire point is to lock in a good seat.

    How does the place by you do it?

    You are given a seat when you buy a ticket

    They try to fit you together if youre in a group but it doesn't always happen

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  • masterofmetroidmasterofmetroid Have you ever looked at a world and seen it as a kind of challenge?Registered User regular
    Lorahalo wrote: »
    Maximum wrote: »
    Just started listening the the Beastcast, and this assigned seating thing at movie theaters is blowing my mind. I guess I haven't been to one in a really long time.
    This has just started being a thing i've had to deal with a couple times and i hate it, it better not become standard practice

    I'm sure it's fine for really packed showings but i never go to those so just fuckin' let me get my middle seats

    You can pick what seats you get assigned, so just pick those?
    I guess

    One place i went to wouldn't even let you do that and made it kind of unclear that assigned seating was a thing at all so that experience may be coloring my thoughts a bit here

  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Lorahalo wrote: »
    Maximum wrote: »
    Just started listening the the Beastcast, and this assigned seating thing at movie theaters is blowing my mind. I guess I haven't been to one in a really long time.
    This has just started being a thing i've had to deal with a couple times and i hate it, it better not become standard practice

    I'm sure it's fine for really packed showings but i never go to those so just fuckin' let me get my middle seats

    You can pick what seats you get assigned, so just pick those?

    You super cant at the one we have that has assigned seating

    Wait, what?

    Every place I've gone to with assigned seating you pick your seat from the grid when you buy your ticket, that's like the entire point is to lock in a good seat.

    How does the place by you do it?

    You are given a seat when you buy a ticket

    They try to fit you together if youre in a group but it doesn't always happen

    That theater is doing it wrong

  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Yeah if you can choose your seat, assigned seating is fine because it's no different than unassigned seating (because you still pick your seat when you enter the theater) other than you don't have to worry about saving seats for people who haven't gotten there yet.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Lorahalo wrote: »
    Maximum wrote: »
    Just started listening the the Beastcast, and this assigned seating thing at movie theaters is blowing my mind. I guess I haven't been to one in a really long time.
    This has just started being a thing i've had to deal with a couple times and i hate it, it better not become standard practice

    I'm sure it's fine for really packed showings but i never go to those so just fuckin' let me get my middle seats

    You can pick what seats you get assigned, so just pick those?

    You super cant at the one we have that has assigned seating

    Wait, what?

    Every place I've gone to with assigned seating you pick your seat from the grid when you buy your ticket, that's like the entire point is to lock in a good seat.

    How does the place by you do it?

    You are given a seat when you buy a ticket

    They try to fit you together if youre in a group but it doesn't always happen

    Wow. Just wow.

    Yeah I'd avoid that theater like the plague too. That's like a step backwards from just walking in and finding a seat in every way. I'd never go to a theater that does that either.

    The theaters here you buy your ticket on line, you pick the exact seat you want when you buy the ticket, and you are good to go. Better than walking in and hoping for a decent seat, imo.

    Like, it was glorious. I had my opening night seat for The Force Awakens locked in like 4 months in advance. No lines to wait in, no camping out, no nonsense. Show up to the theater 5 minutes before the start time, leisurely grab a drink, not a worry on my mind. It's great.

  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    I don't leave my house til the time they say the movie starts now cause I know when I get there the trailers will be wrapping up

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Yeah if you can choose your seat, assigned seating is fine because it's no different than unassigned seating (because you still pick your seat when you enter the theater) other than you don't have to worry about saving seats for people who haven't gotten there yet.

    In my opinion it's even better than unassigned because you buy your ticket with full information of where you will sit, and no time constraints on when you need to get to the theater (you know, other than the start time of the film). You can cycle through every showtime until you find those dead center seats you want, or decide, well, I really want to see the film today so I'll take some somewhat off to the side seats, or say, fuck this, I'll get a ticket for tomorrow and get the EXACT seats I want.

    No having to get to the theater two hours in advance to secure good seats for a popular release, no getting a ticket and then running late for some reason and having to sit at the base of the screen and break your neck watching. None of the potentially hassle for going to the theater.

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  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular

    Whoa, I didn't even realize that was a thing years ago

  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    It basically isnt! This is a completely different game at this point!

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Yeah if you can choose your seat, assigned seating is fine because it's no different than unassigned seating (because you still pick your seat when you enter the theater) other than you don't have to worry about saving seats for people who haven't gotten there yet.

    In my opinion it's even better than unassigned because you buy your ticket with full information of where you will sit, and no time constraints on when you need to get to the theater (you know, other than the start time of the film). You can cycle throw every showtime until you find those dead center seats you want, or decide, well, I really want to see the film today so I'll take some somewhat off to the side seats, or say, fuck this, I'll get a ticket for tomorrow and get the EXACT seats I want.

    No having to get to the theater two hours in advance to secure good seats for a popular release, no getting a ticket and then running late for some reason and having to sit at the base of the screen and break your neck watching. None of the potentially hassle for going to the theater.

    I wonder if this is necessitated by location because here there is literally no movie you would have to go two hours early to

    I was at star wars opening night 20 minutes before Showtime and got seats

    So that might be why they haven't bothered

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  • LuvTheMonkeyLuvTheMonkey High Sierra Serenade Registered User regular
    We only have one theater near here that does reserved seating and it's not very close. It does, however, have powered reclining chairs which are amazing

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  • THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    ah so no totally reprise talk in this thread then
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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    That would make a lot of sense. Living in the LA area for big releases you needed to line up for good seats.

    As a kid my Mom would get me out of school early on the days the LOTR movies came out so we could line up hours in advance and get good seats (because my Mom is fucking rad.)

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