I Hope they clarify the fortune psy power a little in that regard as to what is a “similar“ ability.
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I got married two weeks ago, and this week, my wife, who lives in Atlanta, took me to a Hobbytown and the GW store. Hobbytown was great. The GW store had the one employee who greeted me, but then kept doing what he was doing and ignored me.
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I'd love to hear any recommendations (positive or negative) people have. I'm a big fan of the Dawn of War series, and I liked Space Marine (though I've only played a small part of it so far). I've got a key for the first Total Warhammer. I have Space Hulk but found it kind of underwhelming.
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edited July 2017
Regarding the Crimson Fists; if you're going to do it, please give them the cool dark blue scheme, like this:
and not a bright blue or Ultra Marines blue scheme.
I mean, it's up to you. I'm just saying
If I was going to go with a football team there would be orange in there.
But that is what test models are for.
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I'm still in a daze. I lost my league match this week on turn 2 because he killed everything I had. The only damage I did on my single turn was bring his voidraven bomber down to one wound and kill my own psyker with perils of the warp
I'm still in a daze. I lost my league match this week on turn 2 because he killed everything I had. The only damage I did on my single turn was bring his voidraven bomber down to one wound and kill my own psyker with perils of the warp
What were you fighting?
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TIFunkaliciousKicking back inNebraskaRegistered Userregular
I was fighting Dark Eldar as Death Guard. It was a 1000 point relic game and we got the corner deployment that comes up to 9 inches from the center. He got to go first for having fewer units and I couldn't keep anything out of LoS with his movement. They just flew around the terrain and cleaned house
I was fighting Dark Eldar as Death Guard. It was a 1000 point relic game and we got the corner deployment that comes up to 9 inches from the center. He got to go first for having fewer units and I couldn't keep anything out of LoS with his movement. They just flew around the terrain and cleaned house
360 firing arcs on supersonic fliers is bullshit.
Playing on tables without solid LOS blocking in every possible deployment area and at least 1 large piece in the middle of the board is also bullshit.
Damage comes hard and fast in 8th edition, people need to be playing with lots of good terrain.
I am thinking LR plus two rhinos of aggressive CSM moving up the board. A Daemon Prince, Lord, and Sorc with them. And a Hellbrute and Vindi. Some havoc fire support with termis and if I have the points raptors deepstriking for support.
So @nax and I had what I consider our first "real" game of 8th wherein I think we pretty much got everything right?
Was fun, It's interesting the change in dynamic of marines/characters being pretty survivable if you have overlapping buffs also Bjorn is just... goddamn. I didn't realize that his dread statline is buffed over normal dreads.
Two Questions: One thing that came up that was a new concept for me in the close combat phase is consolidating into 1" of another unit (that isn't in combat already), thereby being able to be swung at by that unit, HOWEVER this now means the unit is in close combat with you so they have to fall-back on their turn to withdraw from combat...
Secondly: Cover. It is so odd to me, that if you are firing at a unit behind a ruin, that the unit does not get cover because it is not IN the ruin. Is that right? I mean, intervening cover doesn't seem to DO anything. Likewise, it also seems like vehicles get no coversaves for being obscured at all. I.E. "I can see a sliver of the back tread on that rhino" means Im shooting it at 0 cover.
Two Questions: One thing that came up that was a new concept for me in the close combat phase is consolidating into 1" of another unit (that isn't in combat already), thereby being able to be swung at by that unit, HOWEVER this now means the unit is in close combat with you so they have to fall-back on their turn to withdraw from combat...
Even if you consolidate into 1" of an enemy unit you cannot attack them during that combat. This is one of those rulings that annoys me a ton with my beserkers who get two fight phases but only verse the unit they charged.
Secondly: Cover. It is so odd to me, that if you are firing at a unit behind a ruin, that the unit does not get cover because it is not IN the ruin. Is that right? I mean, intervening cover doesn't seem to DO anything. Likewise, it also seems like vehicles get no coversaves for being obscured at all. I.E. "I can see a sliver of the back tread on that rhino" means Im shooting it at 0 cover.
Yup, there are two rules with cover for vehicles:
1) Must be in/on the terrain
2) Must be obscured by 50% to receive a bonus.
The rules are more abstract now. You can't have a rhino wall give cover to other units for example. Now technically if you have a rhino in front of a dread and both are in terrain that provides cover and the dread is at least 50% obscured? It gets cover.
It is a big simplification of the cover rules and such but at the same time you get some odd this is super silly game moments.
I still don't understand the cover rules, even after your description. I hate that they didn't just make cover footprint based, because I despise the arguments around putting your face at table level and arguing whether 40% or 60% of the model is obscured from LOS of that one model.
Yeah my friends have basically thrown out the actual cover rules because they're actually pointlessly complicated and confusing (and frankly, nonsensical). We've just gone with 'are you 50% obscured by things? You get cover. Are you infantry in area terrain (i.e. a crater or a wood or a ruin base)? You get cover.'
I mean, how are you 'in' a ruin if it doesn't have a base? Are you in it if you're directly behind the wall? Then why not if you're quite a way behind the wall? It's still obscuring the shot.
^ all of my games so far have also been using that general ruling for cover.
Not having intervening terrain/models give cover is a massive limitation to the entire terrain/cover mechanic.
Yeah, when 8th dropped we realized that although my LGS has an absolutely enormous selection of both GW and home made terrain, pretty much 99% of it was practically useless with the new rules because it didn't provide cover.
It really feels like GW is making things inconvenient for all players just to stop a few arguments from hypercompetitive WAAC douchebags at tournaments.
I figure there will be feed back at some point. At least the FAQs look like they are willing to change things as the game progresses.
The terrain rules don't bug me. But I have been out of the game for a bit so it is all new. Still think the basic idea of use your brain works especially for ruins if it is an open building and no base. What is inside is pretty straight forward.
There are rules in the back of the main rule book for other terrain types though I am meh on them.
The whole obscuring using units thing though I am fine with seeing gone. I mean I use to use my rhinos as basically mobile terrain all the time and really it was silly in a different way.
I mean, using tanks as rolling cover is a legit historical tactic.
But, playability over realism everyday for 40k.
I need to thoroughly read the 8th ed cover rules, been so busy I haven't had a chance to spend quality time with the rulebook yet.
Basic cover rules in the quick play rules is simple:
1)If infantry and the unit is fully with in the terrain you get +1 to your cover save.
2)If a vehicle and fully with in cover and are 50% obscured you get a +1 cover save.
The advanced rules for forest, ruins, and so on though are more complex. Like infantry can get cover from a crater but a tank can't and so on.
I mean, using tanks as rolling cover is a legit historical tactic.
But, playability over realism everyday for 40k.
I need to thoroughly read the 8th ed cover rules, been so busy I haven't had a chance to spend quality time with the rulebook yet.
Basic cover rules in the quick play rules is simple:
1)If infantry and the unit is fully with in the terrain you get +1 to your cover save.
2)If a vehicle and fully with in cover and are 50% obscured you get a +1 cover save.
The advanced rules for forest, ruins, and so on though are more complex. Like infantry can get cover from a crater but a tank can't and so on.
I'll honest most peoples issues with cover is solved by the advanced cover rules in the rule book.
The other thing, though cover is pretty huge it isn't like when I last really played where a cover save could be like 4+/5+ invuln save and I think people got really obsessed with that. +1 to your armor is good. But also doesn't negate stuff like AP weapons.
I mean, using tanks as rolling cover is a legit historical tactic.
But, playability over realism everyday for 40k.
I need to thoroughly read the 8th ed cover rules, been so busy I haven't had a chance to spend quality time with the rulebook yet.
Basic cover rules in the quick play rules is simple:
1)If infantry and the unit is fully with in the terrain you get +1 to your cover save.
2)If a vehicle and fully with in cover and are 50% obscured you get a +1 cover save.
The advanced rules for forest, ruins, and so on though are more complex. Like infantry can get cover from a crater but a tank can't and so on.
I'll honest most peoples issues with cover is solved by the advanced cover rules in the rule book.
Er, that's where the majority of the problems come from. Especially after the FAQ, which rules out any sort of intervening bonuses.
Each type of terrain piece has its own particular rule for cover requirements. Some require 25% obscuring, others require 50%? Some types (like a forest) reduce charge range, but others (like rubble strewn ruins) don't? Are you going to spend 10 minutes before every game assigning which 'bespoke' cover rules apply to which type of terrain feature? There's no good blanket ruling that exists to easily fill in the gaps, which is why people are coming up with the simple "if the entire unit is 50% obscured, its in cover"
Hmmm...avoiding work I am playing with lists for the Invasion of Konnor on my phone. Some needing new units some with just what I have.
One of my thoughts is getting two seeker chariots as I classically run Slaanesh armies.
The idea is the landraider with a daemon prince behind it and filled with a lord, a sorc, and zerkers (elites) flanked by the two chariots to absorb fire. Carrying the back line 3 5 man csm squads with plasma. They are supporting a lascannon helbrute and there are two lascannon/hb havocs squads behind that giving more long range fire power.
There are also a termi drop squad to support folks as well and also for waprtime+deep strike combos.
It feels pretty good in my head. Chariots are decently tough with a T5 6W with a 5++ and 12" movement. Also 8 attacks plus the thresher rule so that every model in 1" when they charge can take a mortal wound if you roll a 6 on a die. Top it off they always strike first.
It seems pretty good in my brain but no clue if it would be on the table. Thoughts?
https://imgur.com/a/J8agS
Some leaks for the marine codex:
-Repulsors are in fact, big-ol primaris rhinobackpredatorraidspeeders (litterally all the SM vehicles rolled into one).
-A whole mess of cool stratagems that bring back some of the formation abilities for synergizing units (linebreaker bombardment), and some lost unit abilities (cluster mines, orbital bombardment), and even neat army-building things like upgrading a captain to a chaptermaster, or bringing extra relics.
-Return of most of the old relics.
-6 psychic powers, so no more having to worry about too many redundant librarians.
A good peak at what's in store for codexes. I think the stratagem stuff is brilliant, and gives me hope for other armies.
https://imgur.com/a/J8agS
Some leaks for the marine codex:
-Repulsors are in fact, big-ol primaris rhinobackpredatorraidspeeders (litterally all the SM vehicles rolled into one).
-A whole mess of cool stratagems that bring back some of the formation abilities for synergizing units (linebreaker bombardment), and some lost unit abilities (cluster mines, orbital bombardment), and even neat army-building things like upgrading a captain to a chaptermaster, or bringing extra relics.
-Return of most of the old relics.
-6 psychic powers, so no more having to worry about too many redundant librarians.
A good peak at what's in store for codexes. I think the stratagem stuff is brilliant, and gives me hope for other armies.
Going through some thoughts on what I can read:
1)Repulsor tanks are basically huge land raiders that reduce charge range.
2)The raven guard strategy is still really good but not as insane as I thought. It is 1 cp you use when setting an infantry unit in deployment. Before the first turn they are set up more than 9" away from the enemy.Really good if you know you should have first turn to set up those assault termis in someone's back line as they will get to move and assault. But also means no dreads disguised as fridges.
Also they got a Jaws of the wolf wolf.
Roll 3d6. If a unit is in that range draw a straight line, all models under that line suffer a mortal wound.
Good for pinging a bunch of little units in a row. For putting wounds on a single target, smite is still better.
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TIFunkaliciousKicking back inNebraskaRegistered Userregular
edited July 2017
I'm pretty sure berzerkers can attack a second unit that they consolidated into if they declared it as a second charge target in the charge phase and took the overwatch fire from both
I'm pretty sure berzerkers can attack a second unit that they consolidated into if they declared it as a second charge target in the charge phase and took the overwatch fire from both
The difference is you declared the charge in that one. If you just consolidate and don't declare then you don't get to attack. But I am not sure if it counts if you failed to reach that second unit as well. Also I am pretty sure there is an FAQ discussing this stuff but I am still at work for about 5 minutes and won't have time to check for about an hour.
The game on the Warhammer TV stream with Tau vs Khorne, I'm sure the commentators said that if the berserkers charged 2 units but failed to reach one but ended up consolidating into it, then they would get to attack for their 2nd combat.
It's certainly possible they were wrong, but they did have the writers of the rules playing that game and I'm sure they took a break to figure this out.
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I briefly considered the Iron Hands as sort of a nod to "None shall find us wanting," but it doesn't feel as engaging.
Edit: And yes, I do need that awesome Angelos.
So for every wound you take you get two 6+ rolls to see if you can ignore that wound.
That's how it is for every 8th FNP equivalent. There's a few factions that can layer 2 of them.
As someone pointed out, Mad Dok Grotsnik can get three, plus regeneration and regular/invulnerable saves, if you make him the Warlord.
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He was tough to bring down : (
Typhus so incredibly hard to kill with this warlord trait. Especially as he can cast a spell on himself to make himself -1 to hit
and not a bright blue or Ultra Marines blue scheme.
I mean, it's up to you. I'm just saying
But that is what test models are for.
What were you fighting?
360 firing arcs on supersonic fliers is bullshit.
Playing on tables without solid LOS blocking in every possible deployment area and at least 1 large piece in the middle of the board is also bullshit.
Damage comes hard and fast in 8th edition, people need to be playing with lots of good terrain.
Lack of terrain is not.
It's really not, the movement restrictions are basically no penalty at all, when you can fire any direction.
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I am thinking LR plus two rhinos of aggressive CSM moving up the board. A Daemon Prince, Lord, and Sorc with them. And a Hellbrute and Vindi. Some havoc fire support with termis and if I have the points raptors deepstriking for support.
Sons of Dorn preview is up. Fist of Imperial and Crimson stylings and BTs.
Was fun, It's interesting the change in dynamic of marines/characters being pretty survivable if you have overlapping buffs also Bjorn is just... goddamn. I didn't realize that his dread statline is buffed over normal dreads.
Two Questions: One thing that came up that was a new concept for me in the close combat phase is consolidating into 1" of another unit (that isn't in combat already), thereby being able to be swung at by that unit, HOWEVER this now means the unit is in close combat with you so they have to fall-back on their turn to withdraw from combat...
Secondly: Cover. It is so odd to me, that if you are firing at a unit behind a ruin, that the unit does not get cover because it is not IN the ruin. Is that right? I mean, intervening cover doesn't seem to DO anything. Likewise, it also seems like vehicles get no coversaves for being obscured at all. I.E. "I can see a sliver of the back tread on that rhino" means Im shooting it at 0 cover.
Is this confusing for anyone else?
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Even if you consolidate into 1" of an enemy unit you cannot attack them during that combat. This is one of those rulings that annoys me a ton with my beserkers who get two fight phases but only verse the unit they charged.
Yup, there are two rules with cover for vehicles:
1) Must be in/on the terrain
2) Must be obscured by 50% to receive a bonus.
The rules are more abstract now. You can't have a rhino wall give cover to other units for example. Now technically if you have a rhino in front of a dread and both are in terrain that provides cover and the dread is at least 50% obscured? It gets cover.
It is a big simplification of the cover rules and such but at the same time you get some odd this is super silly game moments.
I mean, how are you 'in' a ruin if it doesn't have a base? Are you in it if you're directly behind the wall? Then why not if you're quite a way behind the wall? It's still obscuring the shot.
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Not having intervening terrain/models give cover is a massive limitation to the entire terrain/cover mechanic.
It really feels like GW is making things inconvenient for all players just to stop a few arguments from hypercompetitive WAAC douchebags at tournaments.
The terrain rules don't bug me. But I have been out of the game for a bit so it is all new. Still think the basic idea of use your brain works especially for ruins if it is an open building and no base. What is inside is pretty straight forward.
There are rules in the back of the main rule book for other terrain types though I am meh on them.
The whole obscuring using units thing though I am fine with seeing gone. I mean I use to use my rhinos as basically mobile terrain all the time and really it was silly in a different way.
But, playability over realism everyday for 40k.
I need to thoroughly read the 8th ed cover rules, been so busy I haven't had a chance to spend quality time with the rulebook yet.
Basic cover rules in the quick play rules is simple:
1)If infantry and the unit is fully with in the terrain you get +1 to your cover save.
2)If a vehicle and fully with in cover and are 50% obscured you get a +1 cover save.
The advanced rules for forest, ruins, and so on though are more complex. Like infantry can get cover from a crater but a tank can't and so on.
I'll honest most peoples issues with cover is solved by the advanced cover rules in the rule book.
Er, that's where the majority of the problems come from. Especially after the FAQ, which rules out any sort of intervening bonuses.
Each type of terrain piece has its own particular rule for cover requirements. Some require 25% obscuring, others require 50%? Some types (like a forest) reduce charge range, but others (like rubble strewn ruins) don't? Are you going to spend 10 minutes before every game assigning which 'bespoke' cover rules apply to which type of terrain feature? There's no good blanket ruling that exists to easily fill in the gaps, which is why people are coming up with the simple "if the entire unit is 50% obscured, its in cover"
One of my thoughts is getting two seeker chariots as I classically run Slaanesh armies.
The idea is the landraider with a daemon prince behind it and filled with a lord, a sorc, and zerkers (elites) flanked by the two chariots to absorb fire. Carrying the back line 3 5 man csm squads with plasma. They are supporting a lascannon helbrute and there are two lascannon/hb havocs squads behind that giving more long range fire power.
There are also a termi drop squad to support folks as well and also for waprtime+deep strike combos.
It feels pretty good in my head. Chariots are decently tough with a T5 6W with a 5++ and 12" movement. Also 8 attacks plus the thresher rule so that every model in 1" when they charge can take a mortal wound if you roll a 6 on a die. Top it off they always strike first.
It seems pretty good in my brain but no clue if it would be on the table. Thoughts?
Some leaks for the marine codex:
-Repulsors are in fact, big-ol primaris rhinobackpredatorraidspeeders (litterally all the SM vehicles rolled into one).
-A whole mess of cool stratagems that bring back some of the formation abilities for synergizing units (linebreaker bombardment), and some lost unit abilities (cluster mines, orbital bombardment), and even neat army-building things like upgrading a captain to a chaptermaster, or bringing extra relics.
-Return of most of the old relics.
-6 psychic powers, so no more having to worry about too many redundant librarians.
A good peak at what's in store for codexes. I think the stratagem stuff is brilliant, and gives me hope for other armies.
Going through some thoughts on what I can read:
1)Repulsor tanks are basically huge land raiders that reduce charge range.
2)The raven guard strategy is still really good but not as insane as I thought. It is 1 cp you use when setting an infantry unit in deployment. Before the first turn they are set up more than 9" away from the enemy.Really good if you know you should have first turn to set up those assault termis in someone's back line as they will get to move and assault. But also means no dreads disguised as fridges.
Also they got a Jaws of the wolf wolf.
Roll 3d6. If a unit is in that range draw a straight line, all models under that line suffer a mortal wound.
Some interesting stuff there though.
I can barely read the pictures I thought it said models. Still it is basically a baby wolf wolf.
Good for pinging a bunch of little units in a row. For putting wounds on a single target, smite is still better.
The difference is you declared the charge in that one. If you just consolidate and don't declare then you don't get to attack. But I am not sure if it counts if you failed to reach that second unit as well. Also I am pretty sure there is an FAQ discussing this stuff but I am still at work for about 5 minutes and won't have time to check for about an hour.
It's certainly possible they were wrong, but they did have the writers of the rules playing that game and I'm sure they took a break to figure this out.