Passage would also mean the one thing he's been commonly understood to be right about - if the GOP ever let Democrats pass a health care bill it would be almost impossible to repeal once it got established - would actually be wrong.
I would say that the ACA never actually got established. If every state made an exchange and focused on advertising and outreach to get people to sign up I think things would be very different today.
If he really wanted to kill the bill he'd have voted No today.
He didn't though, because he wants to pass.
Like I said, McCain will toe the line because he's McCain. If you want Cincinnatus in your senate, you have to vote for them, America, not hold up Lawful Evil to the stand and pretend like maybe they'll be it if you really wish them to not be.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
Passage would also mean the one thing he's been commonly understood to be right about - if the GOP ever let Democrats pass a health care bill it would be almost impossible to repeal once it got established - would actually be wrong.
I would say that the ACA never actually got established. If every state made an exchange and focused on advertising and outreach to get people to sign up I think things would be very different today.
The Majority Leader's (and Rand Paul's) home state is the great ACA success story.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Passage would also mean the one thing he's been commonly understood to be right about - if the GOP ever let Democrats pass a health care bill it would be almost impossible to repeal once it got established - would actually be wrong.
I would say that the ACA never actually got established. If every state made an exchange and focused on advertising and outreach to get people to sign up I think things would be very different today.
The Majority Leader's (and Rand Paul's) home state is the great ACA success story.
so the senate vote on this mystery bill is in a day and no one has seen it?
no CBO score?
There's sort of a score on the 2015 bill, because it got scored back then so we have a rough estimate of what that would look like. And it's very, very bad. 32 million lose their insurance, premiums double in ten years, and it raises the deficit by about 60% from Obama's last year.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Would it? Even Texas who never did a single thing to help the ACA has over 2 million people who will lose coverage under the house bill.
That is greater than the margin of victory for both sitting US Senators from Texas. It wouldn't matter if it was 2 million or 10 million, a black man did a thing that raised taxes on the ultra rich and helped poor people and that means it must be stamped out at any and all cost.
He either forgot how many senators there are, never knew in the first place, or can't subtract.
He then went on to threaten the "no" votes.
""We had two Republican that went against us, which is very sad, I think, it's very very sad, for them.""
Christ. It's like he has two options before him. Take a second to research a very-easy-to-find fact or just spout off something stupid. AND HE CHOOSES STUPID EVERY GOD DAMN TIME.
You know this is bullshit too Costa. We know what you really think, you loved the theater and only want to keep getting clicks from lefties. Ice up, you're done.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I know other countries have political parties that are at odds, but are we the only one where a major one is populated by literally evil people?
Insert Nazi joke here only I can't actually make a joke because they're not a major party anymore while Republicans seem to be making a go at stealing their thunder.
The fact anyone can applaud this sort of thing is genuinely baffling. What logic supports it? How utterly twisted is their mind that facts and truth cannot penetrate? These people claim to be Christian even as they go against the teachings they claim to uphold at every possible opportunity. Yet they have no problem holding that stance, ignoring any evidence to the contrary, and when it all comes crashing down they'll ignore the ones responsible to point their fingers at those who tried to stop it.
How do you even begin to fight ignorance when people seem content clinging to it?
God, I don't know. I feel like McCain could go up there and literally advocate a swift kick to the genitals for everyone in the US ... despite how terrible the process would be... and get a cheering section.
God, I don't know. I feel like McCain could go up there and literally advocate a swift kick to the genitals for everyone in the US ... despite how terrible the process would be... and get a cheering section.
I know other countries have political parties that are at odds, but are we the only one where a major one is populated by literally evil people?
Well, if you're asking us...
Sorry, just me injecting a little international levity into the conversation. But there was a time where we in the United States considered them evil before the current ruling party entrenched itself.
I would say that the ACA never actually got established. If every state made an exchange and focused on advertising and outreach to get people to sign up I think things would be very different today.
That's an argument to make, but the problem is you can potentially apply that to any new law. There's no doubt that the ACA would look different very different had every state established an exchange, and every state gone through on the Medicaid expansion (that alone would've radically change the healthcare landscape of this country, even without the ACA), and if the exemptions to the individual mandate hadn't been implemented to compromise, etc.
But the last government was, I think, fairly pragmatic in that area at least. I don't think they really thought that they'd get their ideal vision of the ACA implemented in every state even at the beginning, much less when it ended up being passed without any Republican 'yes' votes. Given the way the ACA was structured too, and its essence as a state-to-state system, it's really hard to imagine it not being passed as at least some form of a geographic compromise (the kind that still makes its detractors fly into a spittle-emitting incoherent rage).
Full disclosure, the Democrats' reaction to this shitshow is not really on my radar at the moment. Everything I'm currently feeling is pure, distilled rage at Republicans for having the gall to methodically mutilate our democracy so the 1% can afford their third blimp or what the fuck ever.
My thought process right now is basically "end those guys" and that's pretty much it.
Passage would also mean the one thing he's been commonly understood to be right about - if the GOP ever let Democrats pass a health care bill it would be almost impossible to repeal once it got established - would actually be wrong.
I would say that the ACA never actually got established. If every state made an exchange and focused on advertising and outreach to get people to sign up I think things would be very different today.
The Majority Leader's (and Rand Paul's) home state is the great ACA success story.
Full disclosure, the Democrats' reaction to this shitshow is not really on my radar at the moment. Everything I'm currently feeling is pure, distilled rage at Republicans for having the gall to methodically mutilate our democracy so the 1% can afford their third blimp or what the fuck ever.
My thought process right now is basically "end those guys" and that's pretty much it.
Passage would also mean the one thing he's been commonly understood to be right about - if the GOP ever let Democrats pass a health care bill it would be almost impossible to repeal once it got established - would actually be wrong.
I would say that the ACA never actually got established. If every state made an exchange and focused on advertising and outreach to get people to sign up I think things would be very different today.
The Majority Leader's (and Rand Paul's) home state is the great ACA success story.
Was.
Yeah, was. The people of that state then turned around and said "Fuck me? No, fuck me!"
Full disclosure, the Democrats' reaction to this shitshow is not really on my radar at the moment. Everything I'm currently feeling is pure, distilled rage at Republicans for having the gall to methodically mutilate our democracy so the 1% can afford their third blimp or what the fuck ever.
My thought process right now is basically "end those guys" and that's pretty much it.
Seriously. They opposed it en masse in both houses, including their vulnerable members in Trump friendly areas. Fuck all the other stuff that theater critics love.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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I wasn't following things as it went down live but in taking a quick peek at the net, am I to understand that the Senate, Democrats included, applauded McCain voting 'yes' to proceed?
Full disclosure, the Democrats' reaction to this shitshow is not really on my radar at the moment. Everything I'm currently feeling is pure, distilled rage at Republicans for having the gall to methodically mutilate our democracy so the 1% can afford their third blimp or what the fuck ever.
My thought process right now is basically "end those guys" and that's pretty much it.
Friend, I have some bad news for you.
About who was cheering for McCain.
He got an apparently awkward hug from Bernie Sanders.
Of course, Sanders is 76. At that age you may be obligated to awkwardly hug anyone who returns with to work with a diagnosis of brain cancer.
This is some of the most foolish shit. Treating a massive change to the law as something to get it over with as quickly as possible so they can immediately forget about it instead of taking the time to get it right.
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Protest - actually disrupt and shut shit down, block roads, get your body in politicians' offices.
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no CBO score?
Why a dozen? They have 52. They can't pass with 40, they can just block anything with 41.
I would say that the ACA never actually got established. If every state made an exchange and focused on advertising and outreach to get people to sign up I think things would be very different today.
He didn't though, because he wants to pass.
Like I said, McCain will toe the line because he's McCain. If you want Cincinnatus in your senate, you have to vote for them, America, not hold up Lawful Evil to the stand and pretend like maybe they'll be it if you really wish them to not be.
The Majority Leader's (and Rand Paul's) home state is the great ACA success story.
He either forgot how many senators there are, never knew in the first place, or can't subtract.
He then went on to threaten the "no" votes.
"We had two Republican that went against us, which is very sad, I think, it's very very sad, for them."
I could only see that being the case if it's the skinny repeal, then you get the far right on by saying "it's not what we wanted but it's a start."
Anything else? Especially since it needs to be an option that's already been scored, or they're stuck waiting.
Yeah.
What's the problem?
I know that. I mean every state.
There's sort of a score on the 2015 bill, because it got scored back then so we have a rough estimate of what that would look like. And it's very, very bad. 32 million lose their insurance, premiums double in ten years, and it raises the deficit by about 60% from Obama's last year.
That is greater than the margin of victory for both sitting US Senators from Texas. It wouldn't matter if it was 2 million or 10 million, a black man did a thing that raised taxes on the ultra rich and helped poor people and that means it must be stamped out at any and all cost.
Christ. It's like he has two options before him. Take a second to research a very-easy-to-find fact or just spout off something stupid. AND HE CHOOSES STUPID EVERY GOD DAMN TIME.
Also wasn't it 50 with pence breaking the tie?
It's fail all the way down
Por que no los dos?
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I'm sure he knew exactly what was going to happen. He doesn't actually care about his libertarian nonsense, it's just a useful prop.
I told her I can't even articulate what I'm mad about with this because NOBODY FUCKING KNOWS WHAT THEY JUST VOTED TO MOVE FORWARD ON.
And still doesn't seem to understand the ENORMOUS hypocrisy.
You know this is bullshit too Costa. We know what you really think, you loved the theater and only want to keep getting clicks from lefties. Ice up, you're done.
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Who gives a fuck if its unpopular. Its not consequential, its murderous.
He is deeply embarrassing
I am feeling every ounce of the shame that he should be, but is not, feeling himself
our senators seem to be having a more appropriate reaction
Just think of all the seats they're going to win!
I think he's just a moron.
Insert Nazi joke here only I can't actually make a joke because they're not a major party anymore while Republicans seem to be making a go at stealing their thunder.
The fact anyone can applaud this sort of thing is genuinely baffling. What logic supports it? How utterly twisted is their mind that facts and truth cannot penetrate? These people claim to be Christian even as they go against the teachings they claim to uphold at every possible opportunity. Yet they have no problem holding that stance, ignoring any evidence to the contrary, and when it all comes crashing down they'll ignore the ones responsible to point their fingers at those who tried to stop it.
How do you even begin to fight ignorance when people seem content clinging to it?
But he just sent his VP down there to make a TIE BREAKING VOTE adding +1 to 50, and he can't figure out how many votes were against.
Like we all heard that shit too, man.
God, I don't know. I feel like McCain could go up there and literally advocate a swift kick to the genitals for everyone in the US ... despite how terrible the process would be...
he did
Well, if you're asking us...
That's an argument to make, but the problem is you can potentially apply that to any new law. There's no doubt that the ACA would look different very different had every state established an exchange, and every state gone through on the Medicaid expansion (that alone would've radically change the healthcare landscape of this country, even without the ACA), and if the exemptions to the individual mandate hadn't been implemented to compromise, etc.
But the last government was, I think, fairly pragmatic in that area at least. I don't think they really thought that they'd get their ideal vision of the ACA implemented in every state even at the beginning, much less when it ended up being passed without any Republican 'yes' votes. Given the way the ACA was structured too, and its essence as a state-to-state system, it's really hard to imagine it not being passed as at least some form of a geographic compromise (the kind that still makes its detractors fly into a spittle-emitting incoherent rage).
My thought process right now is basically "end those guys" and that's pretty much it.
Was.
Friend, I have some bad news for you.
About who was cheering for McCain.
Yeah, was. The people of that state then turned around and said "Fuck me? No, fuck me!"
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without a CBO score, they can't use reconciliation right?
which means they need 60 votes or to nuke the senate?
Seriously. They opposed it en masse in both houses, including their vulnerable members in Trump friendly areas. Fuck all the other stuff that theater critics love.
He got an apparently awkward hug from Bernie Sanders.
Of course, Sanders is 76. At that age you may be obligated to awkwardly hug anyone who returns with to work with a diagnosis of brain cancer.
This is some of the most foolish shit. Treating a massive change to the law as something to get it over with as quickly as possible so they can immediately forget about it instead of taking the time to get it right.
Protest - actually disrupt and shut shit down, block roads, get your body in politicians' offices.
Divest from entities that support Republican elections or causes.