At one didn't grey knights have a dreadnaught? It had a large psycannon?
Or is this more foggy memory?
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
edited August 2017
Yeah, they did (Doomglaive Dreadnought according to Google). Apparently Forge World still sells a kit for one, but I remember them being listed on the main GW site's store.
The Grey Knight Dread has updated rules in the new Imperial Amour Adeptus Astartes book. Comes with a Heavy Psycannon and a Nemesis Doomglaive. It also knows 1 psychic power.
They also have a Razorback and a Land Raider that can take psycannons.
So my girlfriend might, possibly, be interested in trying some wargaming. While I have decent collections of figures, none of my armies are particularly simple rules wise and she doesn't really speak English. So I was looking at the First Strike box as a possible entry point, coming as it does with the core rules in the language of your choice and a small number of figures at a fairly reasonable price. I'm not personally interested in either army, but am I right in thinking this would be a good place to start?
Tri-Optimum reminds you that there are only one-hundred-sixty-three shopping days until Christmas. Just 1 extra work cycle twice a week will give you the spending money you need to make this holiday a very special one.
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valhalla13013 Dark Shield Perceives the GodsRegistered Userregular
edited August 2017
All right, they are finished. Whew. Now onto the next ten man squad. First a group shot...
Then 4 at a time and then all my painted IF at once...
So my girlfriend might, possibly, be interested in trying some wargaming. While I have decent collections of figures, none of my armies are particularly simple rules wise and she doesn't really speak English. So I was looking at the First Strike box as a possible entry point, coming as it does with the core rules in the language of your choice and a small number of figures at a fairly reasonable price. I'm not personally interested in either army, but am I right in thinking this would be a good place to start?
First Strike is pretty solid, 8th is very beginner friendly and that box comes with everything you need to start playing. It's also pretty cheap, so if she decides wargaming isn't really her jam than you guys aren't out a huge chunk of change (plus both armies are in vogue right now so you could probably sell the minis fairly easy).
Alternately, if she's more into the sword and sorcery angle than future space battles than you could also check out the Storm of Sigmar set for Age of Sigmar. It's $33 USD and comes with a handful of AOS models. It doesn't come with the play mat and box that can be used as terrain, but it's a few bucks cheaper.
As a long shot, for a while you could find the Battle for Vedros starter kit for as cheap as $30 online, it was a repack of some of the sprues from the old Assault on Black Reach starter set but with some extremely simplified rules for Space Marines and Orks. The models are older, but they're all pushfit and you'd get some cool units like a Dreadnought, Deffkopta, and Warboss.
We live in Japan, so I'm her first real exposure to the idea. The low price point and beginner friendly basic rules are why 8th has me a bit excited. Being in Japan probably also limits resale possibilities a bit, not many players and none near me. I might gauge her interest a bit more and look into ordering a Japanese copy.
Tri-Optimum reminds you that there are only one-hundred-sixty-three shopping days until Christmas. Just 1 extra work cycle twice a week will give you the spending money you need to make this holiday a very special one.
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Gabriel_Pitt(effective against Russian warships)Registered Userregular
Man, you're lucky. I had a detente with my girlfriend - she didn't criticize me hobby interests, and I didn't say anything about how she'd completely filled my full length shoe cabinet in the genkan.
Where are you in relationship to Osaka? There was a hobby store there that had regular (at least monthly) GW gaming called Iconoclasm, at least as of start of 2017. Yellow Submarine hobby shops also carried GW stuff and had some organized gaming at some of their shops around Japan.
Nowhere near I'm up in Fukushima prefecture. Getting to Tokyo is expensive enough, let alone Osaka. The closest to a hobby shop around here is a dedicated Magic card shop about an hour a way. They've started stocking GW products at Yodobashi Camera, and there's one in the same city as the card shop, so I'm hoping it might start spreading more up this way.
I might be misreading things with the GF anyway, hence the low price point desire. We tried a game of X-Wing, but basic beginner X-Wing is kind of boring and all the upgrade cards and things are in English so it's not exactly accessible to her. Also why I haven't tried with Infinity despite owning Icestorm. Basic 8th is nice and easy, and GW publish Japanese documents, so this might be a good opportunity.
Tri-Optimum reminds you that there are only one-hundred-sixty-three shopping days until Christmas. Just 1 extra work cycle twice a week will give you the spending money you need to make this holiday a very special one.
Theres also something like Silver Tower or the various boxed games.
Should have asked at the GW, they might have had some Japanese documents they'd have given you
Might be reason enough to continue painting my small batch of Mechanicus models. I hope the codex comes with decals for the Forge Worlds. I'd rather not paint the Stygies VIII symbol.
I'm looking forward to the faction rules. Stygies is into xenotech and and exploration. It's gonna be interesting how that translates to rules.
edit:
Death Guard releas looks rather big.
Mortarion
Typhus?
Tallyman
Plague Marines
Terminators
Deathshroud Terminators?
Plague Drones
Plague Crawler (was that the name of the new tank?)
Have Poxwalkers been released outside of boxed games?
Nowhere near I'm up in Fukushima prefecture. Getting to Tokyo is expensive enough, let alone Osaka. The closest to a hobby shop around here is a dedicated Magic card shop about an hour a way. They've started stocking GW products at Yodobashi Camera, and there's one in the same city as the card shop, so I'm hoping it might start spreading more up this way.
I might be misreading things with the GF anyway, hence the low price point desire. We tried a game of X-Wing, but basic beginner X-Wing is kind of boring and all the upgrade cards and things are in English so it's not exactly accessible to her. Also why I haven't tried with Infinity despite owning Icestorm. Basic 8th is nice and easy, and GW publish Japanese documents, so this might be a good opportunity.
Nuts, I wish I'd known that back when I worked at a company HQ'd in Fukushima city, if you're anywhere near there. My current one is HQ'd in Osaka and they don't have me out there much anyways.
Infinity might be a fun game to try out, and the model count is pleasingly low and it's a great game besides. Is there a Japanese language version of the rules, because that's definitely a game I wouldn't want to try and work through 2nd language style.
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Dr_KeenbeanDumb as a buttPlanet Express ShipRegistered Userregular
Nowhere near I'm up in Fukushima prefecture. Getting to Tokyo is expensive enough, let alone Osaka. The closest to a hobby shop around here is a dedicated Magic card shop about an hour a way. They've started stocking GW products at Yodobashi Camera, and there's one in the same city as the card shop, so I'm hoping it might start spreading more up this way.
I might be misreading things with the GF anyway, hence the low price point desire. We tried a game of X-Wing, but basic beginner X-Wing is kind of boring and all the upgrade cards and things are in English so it's not exactly accessible to her. Also why I haven't tried with Infinity despite owning Icestorm. Basic 8th is nice and easy, and GW publish Japanese documents, so this might be a good opportunity.
Nuts, I wish I'd known that back when I worked at a company HQ'd in Fukushima city, if you're anywhere near there. My current one is HQ'd in Osaka and they don't have me out there much anyways.
Infinity might be a fun game to try out, and the model count is pleasingly low and it's a great game besides. Is there a Japanese language version of the rules, because that's definitely a game I wouldn't want to try and work through 2nd language style.
If you're playing it with English rules, then that's precisely what you're doing.
Nowhere near I'm up in Fukushima prefecture. Getting to Tokyo is expensive enough, let alone Osaka. The closest to a hobby shop around here is a dedicated Magic card shop about an hour a way. They've started stocking GW products at Yodobashi Camera, and there's one in the same city as the card shop, so I'm hoping it might start spreading more up this way.
I might be misreading things with the GF anyway, hence the low price point desire. We tried a game of X-Wing, but basic beginner X-Wing is kind of boring and all the upgrade cards and things are in English so it's not exactly accessible to her. Also why I haven't tried with Infinity despite owning Icestorm. Basic 8th is nice and easy, and GW publish Japanese documents, so this might be a good opportunity.
Nuts, I wish I'd known that back when I worked at a company HQ'd in Fukushima city, if you're anywhere near there. My current one is HQ'd in Osaka and they don't have me out there much anyways.
Infinity might be a fun game to try out, and the model count is pleasingly low and it's a great game besides. Is there a Japanese language version of the rules, because that's definitely a game I wouldn't want to try and work through 2nd language style.
If you're playing it with English rules, then that's precisely what you're doing.
I'd be surprised if there wasn't a japense translation for infinity considering it's entire line in basically based on anime.
Nowhere near I'm up in Fukushima prefecture. Getting to Tokyo is expensive enough, let alone Osaka. The closest to a hobby shop around here is a dedicated Magic card shop about an hour a way. They've started stocking GW products at Yodobashi Camera, and there's one in the same city as the card shop, so I'm hoping it might start spreading more up this way.
I might be misreading things with the GF anyway, hence the low price point desire. We tried a game of X-Wing, but basic beginner X-Wing is kind of boring and all the upgrade cards and things are in English so it's not exactly accessible to her. Also why I haven't tried with Infinity despite owning Icestorm. Basic 8th is nice and easy, and GW publish Japanese documents, so this might be a good opportunity.
Nuts, I wish I'd known that back when I worked at a company HQ'd in Fukushima city, if you're anywhere near there. My current one is HQ'd in Osaka and they don't have me out there much anyways.
Infinity might be a fun game to try out, and the model count is pleasingly low and it's a great game besides. Is there a Japanese language version of the rules, because that's definitely a game I wouldn't want to try and work through 2nd language style.
If you're playing it with English rules, then that's precisely what you're doing.
I meant as the reader's second language.
*edit*
Although, from what I hear about the translation of the 1st Edition rules, you were probably better off trying to just read from the original Spanish yourself.
I'd be surprised if there wasn't a japense translation for infinity considering it's entire line in basically based on anime
You're comparing apples to Accords. Being inspired by something has no bearing on being able to translate it to another language, and as far as translating work goes, you can get it good, or you can get it cheap. I think Corvus Belli's first English release shows what happens when you go with the latter. :biggrin:
I might be misreading things with the GF anyway, hence the low price point desire. We tried a game of X-Wing, but basic beginner X-Wing is kind of boring and all the upgrade cards and things are in English so it's not exactly accessible to her. Also why I haven't tried with Infinity despite owning Icestorm. Basic 8th is nice and easy, and GW publish Japanese documents, so this might be a good opportunity.
The First Strike box will also be kind of boring (you only have two squads each side). You could possibly make it more interesting by using the Kill Team rules Warhammer World put out (essentially you treat each model as a separate unit, so 6-9 units per side), but those rules are only in English.
That's what I'm thinking. For a first game or two First Strike should be fine. Then if she's interested in either army expand with maybe Know no Fear, or otherwise just go for Index and Start Collecting box as appropriate.
Tri-Optimum reminds you that there are only one-hundred-sixty-three shopping days until Christmas. Just 1 extra work cycle twice a week will give you the spending money you need to make this holiday a very special one.
Picked up three more Dreadnoughts tonight (along with a ton of arms), bringing me up to four standard, two Venerable, and one Redemptor. The only downside is that they are painted and based as Ultramarines. I hate stripping models and these are based nicely so I think I'm just going to do a paintover like the Land Raider.
I also got a las/plas and dual assault cannon razorback turret and three huge dozer blades. My descent into having a largely mechanized army continues.
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Gabriel_Pitt(effective against Russian warships)Registered Userregular
With the Redemptor that I picked up, I'm going to field a manly dread army. Techmarine HQ (can i do that? I haven't really looked at the new codex. XD) and then load up on the dreads, just for fun.
I'm half tempted to go Rhino Primaris and Land Raider Excelsior as two HQ choices, then fill the rest of the slots with Dreads and tanks while paying the absolute minimum in troops tax to have a heavy armor army that will likely lose every objective game but will look awesome on the table.
With the Redemptor that I picked up, I'm going to field a manly dread army. Techmarine HQ (can i do that? I haven't really looked at the new codex. XD) and then load up on the dreads, just for fun.
Yup you can! The dreads are elites and go in a vanguard detachment with the techmarine for the required HQ. You don't even need a tech marine. You can go cheap with a Lieutenant or even a cheap captain to give them rerolls.
With the Redemptor that I picked up, I'm going to field a manly dread army. Techmarine HQ (can i do that? I haven't really looked at the new codex. XD) and then load up on the dreads, just for fun.
Yup you can! The dreads are elites and go in a vanguard detachment with the techmarine for the required HQ. You don't even need a tech marine. You can go cheap with a Lieutenant or even a cheap captain to give them rerolls.
Or go Forgeworld and use either Chaplain Dreadnought Titus (of the Howling Griffons), Bray'Arth Ashmantle (Salamanders), or Hecaton Aiakos (Minotaurs) as you're HQ. They're all Dreadnoughts.
Or a regular Chaplain Venerable Dreadnought from the chapter of your choice.
Battlescribe is calling the following illegal due to the Relic because it's treating the FW and Codex parts as separate detachments or something.
Tri-Optimum reminds you that there are only one-hundred-sixty-three shopping days until Christmas. Just 1 extra work cycle twice a week will give you the spending money you need to make this holiday a very special one.
You can do it without using Forgeworld units if you don't care about chapter tactics, I think both Blood Angels and Space Wolves have Dreadnought HQs.
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Gabriel_Pitt(effective against Russian warships)Registered Userregular
I'm going to go with the Techmarine HQ, because my techmarine on a hover bike in an awesome conversion :biggrin: and then maybe my bike captain (or fudge and put a librarian on a bike), because I need a second vanguard detachment to get the other three dreads in.
Techmarine w/bike&conversion beamer
Captain on a bike, or maybe a librarian.
Redemptor Dread Plasma Incinerator
Venerable Dread - Not sure what to give him that takes best advantage. And nothing in the list has a Multimelta yet.
Ironclad Dread - hurricane bolters, HKs, chainfist
Dread w ML/LasCan
Dread w Assault Can/Fist
Dread w Twin AutoCans
I'll see how many points that leaves me when everything is fully equipped, but I'm betting all that will be close to 1500. It's not going to be the hardest army out there, but it's going to be fun!
I'm going to go with the Techmarine HQ, because my techmarine on a hover bike in an awesome conversion :biggrin: and then maybe my bike captain (or fudge and put a librarian on a bike), because I need a second vanguard detachment to get the other three dreads in.
Techmarine w/bike&conversion beamer
Captain on a bike, or maybe a librarian.
Redemptor Dread Plasma Incinerator
Venerable Dread - Not sure what to give him that takes best advantage. And nothing in the list has a Multimelta yet.
Ironclad Dread - hurricane bolters, HKs, chainfist
Dread w ML/LasCan
Dread w Assault Can/Fist
Dread w Twin AutoCans
I'll see how many points that leaves me when everything is fully equipped, but I'm betting all that will be close to 1500. It's not going to be the hardest army out there, but it's going to be fun!
Seems fun, I would use the onslaught cannon over the plasma cannon though.
Do any of the non-named HQ dreads still have the character keyword? Because some of the relics would be pretty rad on a dreadnought. All the chapter tactics and warlord traits look like they work with them, which is nice.
Do any of the non-named HQ dreads still have the character keyword? Because some of the relics would be pretty rad on a dreadnought. All the chapter tactics and warlord traits look like they work with them, which is nice.
I'm going to go with the Techmarine HQ, because my techmarine on a hover bike in an awesome conversion :biggrin: and then maybe my bike captain (or fudge and put a librarian on a bike), because I need a second vanguard detachment to get the other three dreads in.
Techmarine w/bike&conversion beamer
Captain on a bike, or maybe a librarian.
Redemptor Dread Plasma Incinerator
Venerable Dread - Not sure what to give him that takes best advantage. And nothing in the list has a Multimelta yet.
Ironclad Dread - hurricane bolters, HKs, chainfist
Dread w ML/LasCan
Dread w Assault Can/Fist
Dread w Twin AutoCans
I'll see how many points that leaves me when everything is fully equipped, but I'm betting all that will be close to 1500. It's not going to be the hardest army out there, but it's going to be fun!
Seems fun, I would use the onslaught cannon over the plasma cannon though.
I thought about the heavy onslaught cannon to bring even more dakka, but the list seemed a little low in nasty AP modifer guns. Also, I realized I DON'T have to kludge a librarian on bike, because I can just use the entry in the Index Imperium, right?
I'd think an all dread list would want as much anti infantry weaponry as it could bring. Being bogged down in combats and losing objectives seems like its main weaknesses.
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Or is this more foggy memory?
They also have a Razorback and a Land Raider that can take psycannons.
Yes.
In general you can use the points from the codex.
Yeah I thought so, I was doubting myself, mainly because after painting so so many cultists I'm now 60 points short in my list.
So even more models to paint.
I was finished! There was time now! There was time!
Then 4 at a time and then all my painted IF at once...
First Strike is pretty solid, 8th is very beginner friendly and that box comes with everything you need to start playing. It's also pretty cheap, so if she decides wargaming isn't really her jam than you guys aren't out a huge chunk of change (plus both armies are in vogue right now so you could probably sell the minis fairly easy).
Alternately, if she's more into the sword and sorcery angle than future space battles than you could also check out the Storm of Sigmar set for Age of Sigmar. It's $33 USD and comes with a handful of AOS models. It doesn't come with the play mat and box that can be used as terrain, but it's a few bucks cheaper.
As a long shot, for a while you could find the Battle for Vedros starter kit for as cheap as $30 online, it was a repack of some of the sprues from the old Assault on Black Reach starter set but with some extremely simplified rules for Space Marines and Orks. The models are older, but they're all pushfit and you'd get some cool units like a Dreadnought, Deffkopta, and Warboss.
These look rad as hell dude.
Where are you in relationship to Osaka? There was a hobby store there that had regular (at least monthly) GW gaming called Iconoclasm, at least as of start of 2017. Yellow Submarine hobby shops also carried GW stuff and had some organized gaming at some of their shops around Japan.
I might be misreading things with the GF anyway, hence the low price point desire. We tried a game of X-Wing, but basic beginner X-Wing is kind of boring and all the upgrade cards and things are in English so it's not exactly accessible to her. Also why I haven't tried with Infinity despite owning Icestorm. Basic 8th is nice and easy, and GW publish Japanese documents, so this might be a good opportunity.
Should have asked at the GW, they might have had some Japanese documents they'd have given you
Death Guard which looks awesome and Ad Mech!
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I'm looking forward to the faction rules. Stygies is into xenotech and and exploration. It's gonna be interesting how that translates to rules.
edit:
Death Guard releas looks rather big.
Mortarion
Typhus?
Tallyman
Plague Marines
Terminators
Deathshroud Terminators?
Plague Drones
Plague Crawler (was that the name of the new tank?)
Have Poxwalkers been released outside of boxed games?
Infinity might be a fun game to try out, and the model count is pleasingly low and it's a great game besides. Is there a Japanese language version of the rules, because that's definitely a game I wouldn't want to try and work through 2nd language style.
If you're playing it with English rules, then that's precisely what you're doing.
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I'd be surprised if there wasn't a japense translation for infinity considering it's entire line in basically based on anime.
*edit*
Although, from what I hear about the translation of the 1st Edition rules, you were probably better off trying to just read from the original Spanish yourself.
You're comparing apples to Accords. Being inspired by something has no bearing on being able to translate it to another language, and as far as translating work goes, you can get it good, or you can get it cheap. I think Corvus Belli's first English release shows what happens when you go with the latter. :biggrin:
The First Strike box will also be kind of boring (you only have two squads each side). You could possibly make it more interesting by using the Kill Team rules Warhammer World put out (essentially you treat each model as a separate unit, so 6-9 units per side), but those rules are only in English.
I also got a las/plas and dual assault cannon razorback turret and three huge dozer blades. My descent into having a largely mechanized army continues.
Yup you can! The dreads are elites and go in a vanguard detachment with the techmarine for the required HQ. You don't even need a tech marine. You can go cheap with a Lieutenant or even a cheap captain to give them rerolls.
Or go Forgeworld and use either Chaplain Dreadnought Titus (of the Howling Griffons), Bray'Arth Ashmantle (Salamanders), or Hecaton Aiakos (Minotaurs) as you're HQ. They're all Dreadnoughts.
Or a regular Chaplain Venerable Dreadnought from the chapter of your choice.
Battlescribe is calling the following illegal due to the Relic because it's treating the FW and Codex parts as separate detachments or something.
+ HQ +
Bray’arth Ashmantle [20 PL, 400pts]
Chaplain Venerable Dreadnought [11 PL, 234pts]
. Melee weapon: Dreadnought combat weapon, Heavy flamer
. Melee weapon: Dreadnought combat weapon, Heavy flamer
+ Elites +
Relic Deredeo Dreadnought [14 PL, 279pts]: Arachnus heavy lascannon battery, Atomantic pavaise, Twin heavy flamer
+ Heavy Support +
Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought [9 PL, 206pts]: Cyclone missile launcher
. Two Kheres assault cannons: 2x Kheres assault cannon
Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought [9 PL, 206pts]: Cyclone missile launcher
. Two Kheres assault cannons: 2x Kheres assault cannon
++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [33 PL, 666pts] ++
+ Elites +
Dreadnought [7 PL, 148pts]: Assault cannon
. Dreadnought combat weapon w/Heavy Flamer: Heavy flamer
Ironclad Dreadnought [8 PL, 160pts]: Dreadnought chainfist, Meltagun
. Dreadnought combat weapon w/Heavy Flamer: Heavy flamer
Ironclad Dreadnought [8 PL, 160pts]: Dreadnought chainfist, Meltagun
. Dreadnought combat weapon w/Heavy Flamer: Heavy flamer
Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 198pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy flamer, Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator
++ Total: [96 PL, 1991pts] ++
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Techmarine w/bike&conversion beamer
Captain on a bike, or maybe a librarian.
Redemptor Dread Plasma Incinerator
Venerable Dread - Not sure what to give him that takes best advantage. And nothing in the list has a Multimelta yet.
Ironclad Dread - hurricane bolters, HKs, chainfist
Dread w ML/LasCan
Dread w Assault Can/Fist
Dread w Twin AutoCans
I'll see how many points that leaves me when everything is fully equipped, but I'm betting all that will be close to 1500. It's not going to be the hardest army out there, but it's going to be fun!
Seems fun, I would use the onslaught cannon over the plasma cannon though.
Librarian dreads do.
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Well for codex marines.
BA don't have a codex and thus no relics/artifacts.
I thought about the heavy onslaught cannon to bring even more dakka, but the list seemed a little low in nasty AP modifer guns. Also, I realized I DON'T have to kludge a librarian on bike, because I can just use the entry in the Index Imperium, right?