I've wondered about the coming conflict between Daenerys and her dragons vs the White Walkers for years.
Specifically it all seemed pretty lop-sided to me. There's no way mere mortals can stand up to undead opponents that fear no wound and never stop until completely destroyed. You just can't win a fight like that.
But then Dany's dragons felt like an overpowered solution to the undead problem. How are the undead even a threat if you've got flying flamethrowers that can just incinerate huge swathes of them at time?
It seems like the show has kinda amped up and dumbed down the threat for convenience. Wights now die just as easily as mere men if you stab them with dragonglass, and dragons can't get near White Walkers 'cause they've got magic anti-dragon missiles.
To be fair if being a race of ice made flesh people and Ice Magic is your thing and there are actual fire breathing dragons that existed in the world dumping a lot of ice magic research points into magic anti-dragon missiles is probably a good idea
I've wondered about the coming conflict between Daenerys and her dragons vs the White Walkers for years.
Specifically it all seemed pretty lop-sided to me. There's no way mere mortals can stand up to undead opponents that fear no wound and never stop until completely destroyed. You just can't win a fight like that.
But then Dany's dragons felt like an overpowered solution to the undead problem. How are the undead even a threat if you've got flying flamethrowers that can just incinerate huge swathes of them at time?
It seems like the show has kinda amped up and dumbed down the threat for convenience. Wights now die just as easily as mere men if you stab them with dragonglass, and dragons can't get near White Walkers 'cause they've got magic anti-dragon missiles.
Forced drama due to lack of basic communication skills and general self riteousness..
Balancing power creep by just giving the creeps identical power...
This is all starting to make sense! Have you ever noticed a "schlorp" when Littlefinger enters a scene?
I wonder why it's on fire at all; for the actor, maybe?
Probably much easier/cheaper to get the lighting on the actors face correct with real fire, is my totally uninformed guess.
But that little flame doesn't hold a candle (har!) to the set lights, he appears pretty evenly lit.
But maybe it shows up when they start correcting it, I don't know.
I could also see it being a good reference for the artist. Trying to predict what it should look like as it jerks around without a reference could be way harder.
(My (very) limited experience with simulating fire visuals is that it is infinitely (almost literally) nuanced, and an exact reference would have gone a long way. But they probably have software that costs more than my salary.)
Gonna link it so that I don't break the GIF rules.
For the mobile people. Thoros holds a sword that is partially on fire against a green metal lantern as a guy in his green spandex suit wiggles it in front of him.
Since some had brought up why they had all had normal weapons and so few dragonglass and vs zomdragon, dragonglass doesn't do jack vs wrights.
I think that's more a book thing than a TV thing, since the dragonglass daggers seemed very effective against the wights.
Ah ok in the book yea it didn't do anything, had they tried in on them in the show before? They might not have been sure if it did then and had both sets witcher style to be safe.
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I went to the wiki to refresh my memory and the white walkers are essentially geth.
I wonder why it's on fire at all; for the actor, maybe?
Probably much easier/cheaper to get the lighting on the actors face correct with real fire, is my totally uninformed guess.
But that little flame doesn't hold a candle (har!) to the set lights, he appears pretty evenly lit.
But maybe it shows up when they start correcting it, I don't know.
I could also see it being a good reference for the artist. Trying to predict what it should look like as it jerks around without a reference could be way harder.
(My (very) limited experience with simulating fire visuals is that it is infinitely (almost literally) nuanced, and an exact reference would have gone a long way. But they probably have software that costs more than my salary.)
They also like using real fire for the cg; it looks better, is easier to make, etc.
Certainly makes sense. Are you guessing or can I file this away as confirmed trivia?
Same question, HappylilElf ?
Oh no, it's not confirmed trivia at all. I just know a couple artists that work in CGI and I've had more than a few extended conversations about why some CGI ends up terrible and some ends up amazing and the answer is usually "They got the lighting right."
I linked that video to one of them tonight and they basically said "Oh for fuck's sake it's supposed to be dark could they have maybe turned the lights down or used more fire or something?"
I wonder why it's on fire at all; for the actor, maybe?
Probably much easier/cheaper to get the lighting on the actors face correct with real fire, is my totally uninformed guess.
But that little flame doesn't hold a candle (har!) to the set lights, he appears pretty evenly lit.
But maybe it shows up when they start correcting it, I don't know.
I could also see it being a good reference for the artist. Trying to predict what it should look like as it jerks around without a reference could be way harder.
(My (very) limited experience with simulating fire visuals is that it is infinitely (almost literally) nuanced, and an exact reference would have gone a long way. But they probably have software that costs more than my salary.)
They also like using real fire for the cg; it looks better, is easier to make, etc.
Certainly makes sense. Are you guessing or can I file this away as confirmed trivia?
Same question, HappylilElf ?
Oh no, it's not confirmed trivia at all. I just know a couple artists that work in CGI and I've had more than a few extended conversations about why some CGI ends up terrible and some ends up amazing and the answer is usually "They got the lighting right."
I linked that video to one of them tonight and they basically said "Oh for fuck's sake it's supposed to be dark could they have maybe turned the lights down or used more fire or something?"
Wasn't the bear attack during daytime? Am I misremembering that?
I wonder why it's on fire at all; for the actor, maybe?
Probably much easier/cheaper to get the lighting on the actors face correct with real fire, is my totally uninformed guess.
But that little flame doesn't hold a candle (har!) to the set lights, he appears pretty evenly lit.
But maybe it shows up when they start correcting it, I don't know.
I could also see it being a good reference for the artist. Trying to predict what it should look like as it jerks around without a reference could be way harder.
(My (very) limited experience with simulating fire visuals is that it is infinitely (almost literally) nuanced, and an exact reference would have gone a long way. But they probably have software that costs more than my salary.)
They also like using real fire for the cg; it looks better, is easier to make, etc.
Certainly makes sense. Are you guessing or can I file this away as confirmed trivia?
Same question, HappylilElf ?
Oh no, it's not confirmed trivia at all. I just know a couple artists that work in CGI and I've had more than a few extended conversations about why some CGI ends up terrible and some ends up amazing and the answer is usually "They got the lighting right."
I linked that video to one of them tonight and they basically said "Oh for fuck's sake it's supposed to be dark could they have maybe turned the lights down or used more fire or something?"
Wasn't the bear attack during daytime? Am I misremembering that?
Watching it again I'd say it was the equivalent to dusk or dawn I guess? If it was the day it was during a really powerful blizzard. But point being there wasn't a lot of light.
Whatever the case the comparison I got was it wasn't much more light than a full moon on a clear night which is enough to let things be seen clearly and all but nowhere near the fully lit studio that particular portion was filmed in.
The specific part of the scene in question was short enough and intense enough that I didn't notice anything out of place and neither did the person I talked to when they watched it the first time. Their annoyance came more from the aspect of "Someone had to spend more time than they should have had to making that work because some jackasses in the studio couldn't be bothered to even try and match the lighting in the scene"
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There are two people that can legitimise a bastard.
The lord that spawned him -or- the ruling monarch.
Ned's dead and Jon is in open rebellion to Cersei.
The Night King can bring him back, have to find the head though.
The excerpt Gilly was reading clearly meant to say that Jon's mom and real-dad married. So he's not actually a bastard, but he is a Targaryen. I don't know how their rules work if he could also be a Stark. But his name is clearly Targaryen officially. Just nobody currently knows, and Sam wasn't paying attention.
There are two people that can legitimise a bastard.
The lord that spawned him -or- the ruling monarch.
Ned's dead and Jon is in open rebellion to Cersei.
The Night King can bring him back, have to find the head though.
The excerpt Gilly was reading clearly meant to say that Jon's mom and real-dad married. So he's not actually a bastard, but he is a Targaryen. I don't know how their rules work if he could also be a Stark. But his name is clearly Targaryen officially. Just nobody currently knows, and Sam wasn't paying attention.
But it's written down and official.
This show's craziness makes it extra difficult to make joke posts.
There are two people that can legitimise a bastard.
The lord that spawned him -or- the ruling monarch.
Ned's dead and Jon is in open rebellion to Cersei.
The Night King can bring him back, have to find the head though.
The excerpt Gilly was reading clearly meant to say that Jon's mom and real-dad married. So he's not actually a bastard, but he is a Targaryen. I don't know how their rules work if he could also be a Stark. But his name is clearly Targaryen officially. Just nobody currently knows, and Sam wasn't paying attention.
But it's written down and official.
Well...
It's written down and official that Rhaegar and Lyanna were married. We don't know yet if there's a written, official record of Jon's birth. It's very likely there isn't, given Ned, Howland and some handmaid (possibly midwife) were the only survivors.
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I'm going to make a prediction: that dragon doesn't breathe fire, it doesn't breathe ice, it breathes a cone that turns people into white walkers.
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Probably much easier/cheaper to get the lighting on the actors face correct with real fire, is my totally uninformed guess.
To be fair if being a race of ice made flesh people and Ice Magic is your thing and there are actual fire breathing dragons that existed in the world dumping a lot of ice magic research points into magic anti-dragon missiles is probably a good idea
Forced drama due to lack of basic communication skills and general self riteousness..
Balancing power creep by just giving the creeps identical power...
This is all starting to make sense! Have you ever noticed a "schlorp" when Littlefinger enters a scene?
lighting
But that little flame doesn't hold a candle (har!) to the set lights, he appears pretty evenly lit.
But maybe it shows up when they start correcting it, I don't know.
I could also see it being a good reference for the artist. Trying to predict what it should look like as it jerks around without a reference could be way harder.
(My (very) limited experience with simulating fire visuals is that it is infinitely (almost literally) nuanced, and an exact reference would have gone a long way. But they probably have software that costs more than my salary.)
Edit:
Certainly makes sense. Are you guessing or can I file this away as confirmed trivia?
Same question, @HappylilElf ?
That man in green is terrifying.
Ah ok in the book yea it didn't do anything, had they tried in on them in the show before? They might not have been sure if it did then and had both sets witcher style to be safe.
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Oh no, it's not confirmed trivia at all. I just know a couple artists that work in CGI and I've had more than a few extended conversations about why some CGI ends up terrible and some ends up amazing and the answer is usually "They got the lighting right."
I linked that video to one of them tonight and they basically said "Oh for fuck's sake it's supposed to be dark could they have maybe turned the lights down or used more fire or something?"
Wasn't the bear attack during daytime? Am I misremembering that?
that isn't going to happen.
The lord that spawned him -or- the ruling monarch.
Ned's dead and Jon is in open rebellion to Cersei.
Watching it again I'd say it was the equivalent to dusk or dawn I guess? If it was the day it was during a really powerful blizzard. But point being there wasn't a lot of light.
Whatever the case the comparison I got was it wasn't much more light than a full moon on a clear night which is enough to let things be seen clearly and all but nowhere near the fully lit studio that particular portion was filmed in.
The specific part of the scene in question was short enough and intense enough that I didn't notice anything out of place and neither did the person I talked to when they watched it the first time. Their annoyance came more from the aspect of "Someone had to spend more time than they should have had to making that work because some jackasses in the studio couldn't be bothered to even try and match the lighting in the scene"
But it's written down and official.
Well...
Or at least
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edit - dammit, that would've been a great comment if it weren't a thread too late.