I adore every single person who works at that building and what they're doing, just, Jesus
The system behind them is insane but the work Charlie did to bring organization in is incredible, and the work everyone else does there is so monumentally important
As tragic as the situation is and as desperately as reform is needed, it's important to laud those workers as the American ideal, I think
If you want to get even madder, for all of the insane hard work that those folk do, defeating their system is 100% legal and trivial to do.
I only own one firearm that has a Form 4473 pointing to me. The rest are for all intents and purposes untraceable. And that wasn't even intentional on my part, just a side effect of private sales.
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some states require people to log private sales with the government now, but yeah, it's not hard to get an untraceable gun, which is probably why in that article it mentions that 40% of traces wind up being dead ends
some states require people to log private sales with the government now, but yeah, it's not hard to get an untraceable gun, which is probably why in that article it mentions that 40% of traces wind up being dead ends
I'm astonished it's that low. Frankly it's amazing much gets traced at all.
some states require people to log private sales with the government now, but yeah, it's not hard to get an untraceable gun, which is probably why in that article it mentions that 40% of traces wind up being dead ends
I'm astonished it's that low. Frankly it's amazing much gets traced at all.
yeah they have done the best they can with a system that was deliberately sabotaged
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I adore every single person who works at that building and what they're doing, just, Jesus
The system behind them is insane but the work Charlie did to bring organization in is incredible, and the work everyone else does there is so monumentally important
As tragic as the situation is and as desperately as reform is needed, it's important to laud those workers as the American ideal, I think
Yeah, that was an incredible article. As fucked as the system is, it's heartening to know those people are there doing a bunch of unnecessarily tedious legwork to help solve cases. They really seem to care.
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If I were to visit the US again I don't know how I'd feel - I think I'd honestly hesitate about going having become more and more aware of these things the last few years. I don't know how safe I'd feel.*
*When I moved back to Manchester I sometimes get the same hesitancy when in a big crowd after the recent terrorist attacks, or when in an airport. But its a little different.
but the shooter likely had an unchecked mental illness and until we start taking that extremely serious to the point where it's not a joke or lame to be depressed or schizophrenic or bipolar then we've barely started to prevent this from happening again
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Listening to anyone from the NRA talk puts me in a blind fury.
I'm glad your fucking fear of the government taking your guns away is more important than the thousands and thousands of innocent lives lost because of a lack of gun control. So much fear that there can't even be a database on a computer in 2017.
That dude sounds like a fuckin' hoot. I bet he has stories for years.
He fuckin' found a book at the store and used it to implement Six Sigma and ISO9000 efficiency procedures without any gd Black Belts or corporate tools, all while sucking down reds and wearing a vest and saying 'aint' and 'yall'
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That dude sounds like a fuckin' hoot. I bet he has stories for years.
He fuckin' found a book at the store and used it to implement Six Sigma and ISO9000 efficiency procedures without any gd Black Belts or corporate tools, all while sucking down reds and wearing a vest and saying 'aint' and 'yall'
right??
I saw that picture and I liked him IMMEDIATELY
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but the shooter likely had an unchecked mental illness and until we start taking that extremely serious to the point where it's not a joke or lame to be depressed or schizophrenic or bipolar then we've barely started to prevent this from happening again
but the shooter likely had an unchecked mental illness and until we start taking that extremely serious to the point where it's not a joke or lame to be depressed or schizophrenic or bipolar then we've barely started to prevent this from happening again
Please stop repeating the unfounded lies of the right-wing. They're harmful, especially to people suffering real mental illnesses.
but the shooter likely had an unchecked mental illness and until we start taking that extremely serious to the point where it's not a joke or lame to be depressed or schizophrenic or bipolar then we've barely started to prevent this from happening again
Please stop repeating the unfounded lies of the right-wing. They're harmful, especially to people suffering real mental illnesses.
You're kind of setting yourself up for a fall if he did have a real mental illness though
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but the shooter likely had an unchecked mental illness and until we start taking that extremely serious to the point where it's not a joke or lame to be depressed or schizophrenic or bipolar then we've barely started to prevent this from happening again
Please stop repeating the unfounded lies of the right-wing. They're harmful, especially to people suffering real mental illnesses.
You're kind of setting yourself up for a fall if he did have a real mental illness though
Until we have confirmation from his psychiatrist that this was the case, this really isn't something we should be conjecturing about.
but the shooter likely had an unchecked mental illness and until we start taking that extremely serious to the point where it's not a joke or lame to be depressed or schizophrenic or bipolar then we've barely started to prevent this from happening again
Please stop repeating the unfounded lies of the right-wing. They're harmful, especially to people suffering real mental illnesses.
You're kind of setting yourself up for a fall if he did have a real mental illness though
Really? What kind of fall, some dipshit going "ha hah you were wrong!"? Heavy stuff
Well this isn't a very productive line of conversation at all. Everybody has been pretty civil in here and had some good discush, it'd be real nice if it could stay that way.
but the shooter likely had an unchecked mental illness and until we start taking that extremely serious to the point where it's not a joke or lame to be depressed or schizophrenic or bipolar then we've barely started to prevent this from happening again
I'm not even sure how you would begin to tackle the problems of gun violence in the US when US law enforcement, as an institution, can't be trusted
Do you reform and disarm them first? Because you would need a trustworthy law enforcement group to disarm the populace without killing a lot of minorities and you would still want a somewhat equipped law enforcement group to disarm the well equipped white supremacist militias and criminal groups, and US police can't be trusted to carry out that sort of thing, not in their current form
and while you could pretty much strangle the illegal weapons trade just by making it a little more difficult to obtain weapons legally, you still need some sort of enforcement to collect all the guns that are floating around now.
I mean, it's a solvable problem, but fuck
Sorry I'm quoting this from the last page, but I'm always thinking this exact same thing. "What happens when we actually try and do something about this?"
First thing that comes to mind... how?
How do you trust that any kind of current enforcement is actually going to enforce anything?
How do you trust the people to give up guns when a collection comes around?
Some people are just going to bury their guns in the backyard and claim they're stolen.
Where did that whole mental illness thing come from. Aside from propaganda? I mean, it’s propaganda, but people accept it because it they want to.
Is it just playing on fears that a “rational” person could never be such a goddamn asshole as to premeditatively aim to and actually execute on mass murder? Unless they aren’t white?
"A sane person would never kill all these people (unless they're another race but y'know)" -> "This killer must be insane" -> "All killers are insane" -> "Some mentally ill people are killers" -> "All mentally ill people are dangerous"
Where did that whole mental illness thing come from. Aside from propaganda? I mean, it’s propaganda, but people accept it because it they want to.
Is it just playing on fears that a “rational” person could never be such a goddamn asshole as to premeditatively aim to and actually execute on mass murder? Unless they aren’t white?
"anyone willing to open fire and murder dozens of their fellow citizens cannot be a mentally healthy person" is how a lot of people get there
but blaming everything on mental illness is favorite diversionary tactic for gun lobbyists and their stooges
Where did that whole mental illness thing come from. Aside from propaganda? I mean, it’s propaganda, but people accept it because it they want to.
Is it just playing on fears that a “rational” person could never be such a goddamn asshole as to premeditatively aim to and actually execute on mass murder? Unless they aren’t white?
Essentially, yeah.
It's a basic othering tactic. When a person does something horrific, people need to find a way to dissociate themselves from that person and turn them into the Other. Which in turn means that that person is no longer a person, because they are now an Other.
And if you think of the common Other categories that exist when we're talking about events like this, it becomes very clear how this can spiral wildly out of control.
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that was...a hell of a read
yeah she's a professional shithead, there's no reason to talk about her
Having just finished the article
I adore every single person who works at that building and what they're doing, just, Jesus
The system behind them is insane but the work Charlie did to bring organization in is incredible, and the work everyone else does there is so monumentally important
As tragic as the situation is and as desperately as reform is needed, it's important to laud those workers as the American ideal, I think
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I only own one firearm that has a Form 4473 pointing to me. The rest are for all intents and purposes untraceable. And that wasn't even intentional on my part, just a side effect of private sales.
I'm astonished it's that low. Frankly it's amazing much gets traced at all.
yeah they have done the best they can with a system that was deliberately sabotaged
This one of the most disheartening things I've read in a long time. I had no idea there wasn't a searchable database.
my god.
on top of actually being one
I'm not even going to read beyond that stupid headline, but this response seems applicable.
Yeah, that was an incredible article. As fucked as the system is, it's heartening to know those people are there doing a bunch of unnecessarily tedious legwork to help solve cases. They really seem to care.
If I were to visit the US again I don't know how I'd feel - I think I'd honestly hesitate about going having become more and more aware of these things the last few years. I don't know how safe I'd feel.*
*When I moved back to Manchester I sometimes get the same hesitancy when in a big crowd after the recent terrorist attacks, or when in an airport. But its a little different.
but the shooter likely had an unchecked mental illness and until we start taking that extremely serious to the point where it's not a joke or lame to be depressed or schizophrenic or bipolar then we've barely started to prevent this from happening again
I'm glad your fucking fear of the government taking your guns away is more important than the thousands and thousands of innocent lives lost because of a lack of gun control. So much fear that there can't even be a database on a computer in 2017.
That dude sounds like a fuckin' hoot. I bet he has stories for years.
He fuckin' found a book at the store and used it to implement Six Sigma and ISO9000 efficiency procedures without any gd Black Belts or corporate tools, all while sucking down reds and wearing a vest and saying 'aint' and 'yall'
right??
I saw that picture and I liked him IMMEDIATELY
http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/shooting-isnt-about-gun-control-we-refuse-pass-its-57095
Please stop repeating the unfounded lies of the right-wing. They're harmful, especially to people suffering real mental illnesses.
You're kind of setting yourself up for a fall if he did have a real mental illness though
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Until we have confirmation from his psychiatrist that this was the case, this really isn't something we should be conjecturing about.
Really? What kind of fall, some dipshit going "ha hah you were wrong!"? Heavy stuff
Por que no los dos
We have a problem with gun control
We have a problem with mental health needs
Those two things are mutually exclusive but sometimes they run together.
Both problems need to be fixed. We don't need to ignore one to work on the other.
Sorry I'm quoting this from the last page, but I'm always thinking this exact same thing. "What happens when we actually try and do something about this?"
First thing that comes to mind... how?
How do you trust that any kind of current enforcement is actually going to enforce anything?
How do you trust the people to give up guns when a collection comes around?
Some people are just going to bury their guns in the backyard and claim they're stolen.
I imagine NASA with surely doomed astronauts in orbit
Is it just playing on fears that a “rational” person could never be such a goddamn asshole as to premeditatively aim to and actually execute on mass murder? Unless they aren’t white?
Hell, they don't even have to do that. We don't have a remotely reliable record of who has what.
"anyone willing to open fire and murder dozens of their fellow citizens cannot be a mentally healthy person" is how a lot of people get there
but blaming everything on mental illness is favorite diversionary tactic for gun lobbyists and their stooges
Essentially, yeah.
It's a basic othering tactic. When a person does something horrific, people need to find a way to dissociate themselves from that person and turn them into the Other. Which in turn means that that person is no longer a person, because they are now an Other.
And if you think of the common Other categories that exist when we're talking about events like this, it becomes very clear how this can spiral wildly out of control.