we could keep the rapid fire goofball shit to the Guardians movies, but apparently space in the MCU is just an infinite Pee-Wee's Playhouse, so I'll deal. There were plenty of good jokes, but it felt like they decided to throw ten crappy ones in around them for no reason.
My good:
Cameos were solid across the board. Ashamed it took me so long to spot Sam Neil.
Beta Ray bill reference!
Hela, surprisingly! Not a huge Blanchett fan, but she nailed it.
Valkyrie.
Grandmaster, Goldblum's natural...weirdness/chattiness, I guess?...worked perfectly.
Miek!
Loki/Thor relationship
Surtur, what we saw of him
Anthony Hopkins playing Loki playing Odin. "Oh shit!" might have been my first big laugh of the movie.
Loki's play.
"Damn you, Stark. Point Break".
Translating great moments from the books well to perfectly.
The first time they pulled out "Sun's going down".
My bad:
The scene where they decided to cgi Hela's whole face and her mouth looked like silly putty.
Korg, period.
YOU KILLED VOLSTAGG I HATE YOU FOREVER!!!
Where the hell was Sif?
Lack of time spent on Hela/Skurge/Surtur.
That was Ragnarok?
Underselling/drastically changing great moments from the books.
Thor is now more lucky doofus than god.
Every other time they pulled out "Sun's going down".
My eh:
Hulk (he and banner both had their "pull it back. A lot" moments for me.)
Heimdall (great as underground leader, needed more scenes)
Stan Lee cameo (breaks my heart to say)
Eyepatch.
If Loki didn't pocket the cube during his dash for Surtur's crown to hand off to Thanos later (it still has a gem inside, right?) I'll be amazed.
I'm almost positive that ship at the mid credits scene is solely there because he did pocket it.
I got nothing for you now. Try again later.
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Sitting in the theater waiting for this to start
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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This was amazing, unique, and unexpected in a number of ways.
Oh, and COLORFUL
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
my biggest criticism would be for all that they talk about asgard being its people, the people don't have much character. They're all just generic worried folks, and they unceremoniously killed off the three guys besides heimdall who had names and some personality, and of course sif is absent entirely
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Hey Clancy brown you want to be in a thor movie?
Sure.
you will be the bringer of ragnarok, you get to fight the hulk and you kill the main villain
Neat!
You will be a joke character who has maybe 5 minutes of screen time
Dang.
Also just a voice
Well I'm used to that.
If Loki didn't pocket the cube during his dash for Surtur's crown to hand off to Thanos later (it still has a gem inside, right?) I'll be amazed.
I'm almost positive that ship at the mid credits scene is solely there because he did pocket it.
In regards to the credit scenes
were we supposed to recognize that ship? Is it a known thing for the comic readers?
Also, I assumed that Loki used the cube to get the hell out of dodge Asgard and teleport to the ship, since there didn't seem to be a huge amount of time between "Wake up call for Mr. Surtur" and "Ragnarok now". Sure, Loki knew hidden ways, but that's still a lot of ground to cover, ground that's currently being torn up by Hela and Surtur.
If Loki didn't pocket the cube during his dash for Surtur's crown to hand off to Thanos later (it still has a gem inside, right?) I'll be amazed.
I'm almost positive that ship at the mid credits scene is solely there because he did pocket it.
In regards to the credit scenes
were we supposed to recognize that ship? Is it a known thing for the comic readers?
Also, I assumed that Loki used the cube to get the hell out of dodge Asgard and teleport to the ship, since there didn't seem to be a huge amount of time between "Wake up call for Mr. Surtur" and "Ragnarok now". Sure, Loki knew hidden ways, but that's still a lot of ground to cover, ground that's currently being torn up by Hela and Surtur.
It's thanos
And you can bet ya boy loki will deliver the tesseract to him
So far I seem to be the only person who thinks Ruffalo was horrible in this.
Banner bad, Hulk good
I want to make it clear that I'm not doing a joke and this is a serious problem I had with the film
talking Hulk coded as though he had Down's Syndrome or a similar affliction. That's not funny to me. I'm fine with Hulk being simple, and being dumb, but everything about the Hulk performance seemed to specifically imitate people with real life difficulties. I thought it was pretty gross!
Ruffalo in Banner form I just thought was a terrible performance. He didn't even try to match his previous performance and just played it as Mark Ruffalo.
So far I seem to be the only person who thinks Ruffalo was horrible in this.
Banner bad, Hulk good
I want to make it clear that I'm not doing a joke and this is a serious problem I had with the film
talking Hulk coded as though he had Down's Syndrome or a similar affliction. That's not funny to me. I'm fine with Hulk being simple, and being dumb, but everything about the Hulk performance seemed to specifically imitate people with real life difficulties. I thought it was pretty gross!
Ruffalo in Banner form I just thought was a terrible performance. He didn't even try to match his previous performance and just played it as Mark Ruffalo.
I thought it was showing Hulk learning as Hulk since he didnt have any knowledge from Banner. He was just learning all that stuff from the time he became Hulk and wasnt very advanced yet
So far I seem to be the only person who thinks Ruffalo was horrible in this.
Banner bad, Hulk good
I want to make it clear that I'm not doing a joke and this is a serious problem I had with the film
talking Hulk coded as though he had Down's Syndrome or a similar affliction. That's not funny to me. I'm fine with Hulk being simple, and being dumb, but everything about the Hulk performance seemed to specifically imitate people with real life difficulties. I thought it was pretty gross!
Ruffalo in Banner form I just thought was a terrible performance. He didn't even try to match his previous performance and just played it as Mark Ruffalo.
I thought it was showing Hulk learning as Hulk since he didnt have any knowledge from Banner. He was just learning all that stuff from the time he became Hulk and wasnt very advanced yet
I get the intention but it... super did not come across well for me. Especially played for laughs.
So far I seem to be the only person who thinks Ruffalo was horrible in this.
Banner bad, Hulk good
I want to make it clear that I'm not doing a joke and this is a serious problem I had with the film
talking Hulk coded as though he had Down's Syndrome or a similar affliction. That's not funny to me. I'm fine with Hulk being simple, and being dumb, but everything about the Hulk performance seemed to specifically imitate people with real life difficulties. I thought it was pretty gross!
Ruffalo in Banner form I just thought was a terrible performance. He didn't even try to match his previous performance and just played it as Mark Ruffalo.
That's not the read I had on what they were doing with Hulk:
I thought they were going for something along the lines of him being essentially a child, given how this is the first time he's been able to exist as essentially his own person, so he's impulsive and immature and everything else being a child entails.
regarding Ruffalo, I thought he was mostly fine? I don't know that he's really had time to nail down who bruce banner is, given his relatively limited screen time, but his reactions to his particular situation in this felt...mostly about how I would expect
Me! High-pitched accent coming from a huge bulky dude you wouldn't expect it from is a good joke, once. Every other one is
oh, I made a wry observation. Now another sentence about it. Now three lines explaining the first joke. Oops, I was wrong, the opposite is true! End joke/devolve into rambling to highlight the unexpected accent again.
. Got old, fast, for me at least.
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I went back and watched the teaser trailer. Some interesting differences.
Hela destroys the hammer in a city alleyway not Norway. Valkyrie is dragging Thor by the net and not his cape like in the movie.
So far I seem to be the only person who thinks Ruffalo was horrible in this.
Banner bad, Hulk good
I want to make it clear that I'm not doing a joke and this is a serious problem I had with the film
talking Hulk coded as though he had Down's Syndrome or a similar affliction. That's not funny to me. I'm fine with Hulk being simple, and being dumb, but everything about the Hulk performance seemed to specifically imitate people with real life difficulties. I thought it was pretty gross!
Ruffalo in Banner form I just thought was a terrible performance. He didn't even try to match his previous performance and just played it as Mark Ruffalo.
I didn't read it that way, but I was really bothered by the presentation. Now that you bring it up, many of the behaviors map disturbingly well.
I went back and watched the teaser trailer. Some interesting differences.
Hela destroys the hammer in a city alleyway not Norway. Valkyrie is dragging Thor by the net and not his cape like in the movie.
They changed it between when the trailer was cut and when they started releasing scenes on their own as promo material. One of the early released scenes was it happening by the cliffs, and immediately followed by the full trailer showing that scene in an alley
I watched this. Loved it. I'm furious about it in a very meta sense.
God fucking dammit Hela as a secret Odin kid completely wrecks any hope of seeing Angela, dammit. However, I dug Blanchett so I can cut the movie some slack on that point.
I really liked Hela in general as a villain. Great straightforward motivation, she's a bloodthirsty psycho who is furious that Odin spent the last however many centuries hiding his crimes. A couple of twists and she'd be on the good guys side(and I could see her allying with Thanos or Asgard depending on circumstances.) I just hope Blanchett is willing to return in the role!
Me! High-pitched accent coming from a huge bulky dude you wouldn't expect it from is a good joke, once. Every other one is
oh, I made a wry observation. Now another sentence about it. Now three lines explaining the first joke. Oops, I was wrong, the opposite is true! End joke/devolve into rambling to highlight the unexpected accent again.
I watched this. Loved it. I'm furious about it in a very meta sense.
God fucking dammit Hela as a secret Odin kid completely wrecks any hope of seeing Angela, dammit. However, I dug Blanchett so I can cut the movie some slack on that point.
I really liked Hela in general as a villain. Great straightforward motivation, she's a bloodthirsty psycho who is furious that Odin spent the last however many centuries hiding his crimes. A couple of twists and she'd be on the good guys side(and I could see her allying with Thanos or Asgard depending on circumstances.) I just hope Blanchett is willing to return in the role!
I absolutely loved that, despite her ambition and murderous intent, her personality still totally tracks with Thor and Loki's. She is undeniably part of that insane family.
Not saying he was faking the voice, Stick, just that people would probably expect a deep, rumbly, Hulk-like voice from a giant rock guy, and they got the opposite. That's a one-off surprise (less with trailers), and almost none of his dialogue worked for me, that's all. "Another day, another Doug" was pretty good.
Is it weird that I thought the movie was too funny? The humor was in point, but it felt like it suffocated the film for me. I honestly had a hard time getting emotionally invested because everything was a joke.
Is it weird that I thought the movie was too funny? The humor was in point, but it felt like it suffocated the film for me. I honestly had a hard time getting emotionally invested because everything was a joke.
Nah, the humor in Marvel movies are mostly to break tension and provide some relief to the audience. You can only do that so often before it just tries to play as a comedy rather than an action flick and...well they're not great comedy movies. I thought it had a couple really good comedic moments in it and a whole lot of basically passable ones. If the passable ones were breaking more established tension they would have played better.
The movie refused to take itself seriously save in very small, intimate moments, and even those were often humorous
I think that was actually to its advantage. It felt like the movie turning to me and going "You know, we all have fun here, but also everything about this setting is very silly." And that's true! I like the setting but it is very silly. The characters in it are silly, the plot itself is silly, every aspect of it is very silly, and having a movie that never takes itself seriously is a lot of fun.
I think the best moments in the movie involve Hulk, but I didn't read him as being neurodiverse so much as I read him being a literal child. I've known 3-year-olds like him, so the way he went "No. Uh-uh" and turned away when Thor was going over to apologize was probably the best single thing in the movie for me
But I can also see how you'd read his characterization in other ways and hoo boy that would be a serious damper on the fun times
Saw this last night, good stuff! Always good to see when MCU movies are able to have a different tone than the usual and this one certainly did. Even aside from the jokeyness it felt like it was incredibly fast-paced, constantly jumped straight forward without worrying about setting things up.
One thing I have mixed feelings about
I dunno if the Skurge scene was really worth it, if you've gotta do Gjallebru it really coulda used more than 30 seconds of screen time.
And regarding cameos
The Dr Strange scene was fantastic, made him seem much more mystical than the entire Dr Strange movie did.
I watched this. Loved it. I'm furious about it in a very meta sense.
God fucking dammit Hela as a secret Odin kid completely wrecks any hope of seeing Angela, dammit. However, I dug Blanchett so I can cut the movie some slack on that point.
I really liked Hela in general as a villain. Great straightforward motivation, she's a bloodthirsty psycho who is furious that Odin spent the last however many centuries hiding his crimes. A couple of twists and she'd be on the good guys side(and I could see her allying with Thanos or Asgard depending on circumstances.) I just hope Blanchett is willing to return in the role!
They made so much hey about Valkyrie saying that she wasn't a Valkyrie that I was sure they were going to reveal her as an MCU version of Sera by the end. In the same way that Sera's character is partly defined by her not being accepted for her own gender, I thought they were going for her not being accepted in Asgard the same way.
Liked it well enough, felt it was a bit overstuffed and perpetually don't care for one dimensional villains who show up, are evil at the hero, then die.
Also some of the comedy felt pretty forced, like Banner jumping out of the ship at Fenrir and just...landing.
Still enjoyed it fine, but Captain America and Dr. Strange are still better movies.
I watched this. Loved it. I'm furious about it in a very meta sense.
God fucking dammit Hela as a secret Odin kid completely wrecks any hope of seeing Angela, dammit. However, I dug Blanchett so I can cut the movie some slack on that point.
I really liked Hela in general as a villain. Great straightforward motivation, she's a bloodthirsty psycho who is furious that Odin spent the last however many centuries hiding his crimes. A couple of twists and she'd be on the good guys side(and I could see her allying with Thanos or Asgard depending on circumstances.) I just hope Blanchett is willing to return in the role!
They made so much hey about Valkyrie saying that she wasn't a Valkyrie that I was sure they were going to reveal her as an MCU version of Sera by the end. In the same way that Sera's character is partly defined by her not being accepted for her own gender, I thought they were going for her not being accepted in Asgard the same way.
This would have been okay, but Asgard is presented as a relatively progressive society and it would be a little out of place for them. That said, the Valkyries are an elite all-female fighting force so they could go in on her being trans and that being one of the oddly regressive aspects of Asgard highlighting just how secretly shitty Odin can be.
But I don't think Tessa Thompson is trans and I'd much rather have Sera played by a trans actress? They could still do Heven but it loses a lot of the punch without the familial connection.
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My good:
Beta Ray bill reference!
Hela, surprisingly! Not a huge Blanchett fan, but she nailed it.
Valkyrie.
Grandmaster, Goldblum's natural...weirdness/chattiness, I guess?...worked perfectly.
Miek!
Loki/Thor relationship
Surtur, what we saw of him
Anthony Hopkins playing Loki playing Odin. "Oh shit!" might have been my first big laugh of the movie.
Loki's play.
"Damn you, Stark. Point Break".
Translating great moments from the books well to perfectly.
The first time they pulled out "Sun's going down".
My bad:
Korg, period.
YOU KILLED VOLSTAGG I HATE YOU FOREVER!!!
Where the hell was Sif?
Lack of time spent on Hela/Skurge/Surtur.
That was Ragnarok?
Underselling/drastically changing great moments from the books.
Thor is now more lucky doofus than god.
Every other time they pulled out "Sun's going down".
My eh:
Heimdall (great as underground leader, needed more scenes)
Stan Lee cameo (breaks my heart to say)
Eyepatch.
Oh, and COLORFUL
Sure.
Neat!
You will be a joke character who has maybe 5 minutes of screen time
Dang.
Also just a voice
Well I'm used to that.
Talking Hulk was extremely bad
Him as Banner was fine, fit right in with the regular assemblage of weirdos
Banner bad, Hulk good
In regards to the credit scenes
Also, I assumed that Loki used the cube to get the hell out of dodge Asgard and teleport to the ship, since there didn't seem to be a huge amount of time between "Wake up call for Mr. Surtur" and "Ragnarok now". Sure, Loki knew hidden ways, but that's still a lot of ground to cover, ground that's currently being torn up by Hela and Surtur.
And you can bet ya boy loki will deliver the tesseract to him
I want to make it clear that I'm not doing a joke and this is a serious problem I had with the film
Ruffalo in Banner form I just thought was a terrible performance. He didn't even try to match his previous performance and just played it as Mark Ruffalo.
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I don't think it is a very good movie but it is a lot of fun
I get the intention but it... super did not come across well for me. Especially played for laughs.
That's not the read I had on what they were doing with Hulk:
regarding Ruffalo, I thought he was mostly fine? I don't know that he's really had time to nail down who bruce banner is, given his relatively limited screen time, but his reactions to his particular situation in this felt...mostly about how I would expect
Im always a bit confused when somebody says this. May I ask what you found deficient about it as a film?
Me! High-pitched accent coming from a huge bulky dude you wouldn't expect it from is a good joke, once. Every other one is
I really liked Hela in general as a villain. Great straightforward motivation, she's a bloodthirsty psycho who is furious that Odin spent the last however many centuries hiding his crimes. A couple of twists and she'd be on the good guys side(and I could see her allying with Thanos or Asgard depending on circumstances.) I just hope Blanchett is willing to return in the role!
The "unexpected accent" is Taika's natural voice.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't making the Kiwi accent the butt of a joke.
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Nah, the humor in Marvel movies are mostly to break tension and provide some relief to the audience. You can only do that so often before it just tries to play as a comedy rather than an action flick and...well they're not great comedy movies. I thought it had a couple really good comedic moments in it and a whole lot of basically passable ones. If the passable ones were breaking more established tension they would have played better.
I don't think they split the difference well enough
I think that was actually to its advantage. It felt like the movie turning to me and going "You know, we all have fun here, but also everything about this setting is very silly." And that's true! I like the setting but it is very silly. The characters in it are silly, the plot itself is silly, every aspect of it is very silly, and having a movie that never takes itself seriously is a lot of fun.
But I can also see how you'd read his characterization in other ways and hoo boy that would be a serious damper on the fun times
One thing I have mixed feelings about
And regarding cameos
if they ever do the Jane Foster storyline from the current comics, it should be with her
if i hate it, i blame @zonugal
Also some of the comedy felt pretty forced, like Banner jumping out of the ship at Fenrir and just...landing.
Still enjoyed it fine, but Captain America and Dr. Strange are still better movies.
But I don't think Tessa Thompson is trans and I'd much rather have Sera played by a trans actress? They could still do Heven but it loses a lot of the punch without the familial connection.