Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
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“I had hoped that my nearly two decades of public service might carry more weight than my two worst minutes on television,” he said. “However, I am no stranger to political realities, and I do not wish to be a continued distraction from the important work of your Administration and the Senate.”
Yeah, your two worst minutes that showed how completely unqualified you were for the job...
EDIT: beat by 3m... but I had a link showing the news, so leaving the post...
Oh thank god. I don't give a damn what his BS excuse is. As long as he's out.
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Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
I'm sorry, but I don't consider it willpower to willfully undermine our national institutions. I'm as livid as anyone at the Republicans for what they did in the past. But the answer is not to meet them at their level, it is to set a proper standard and show people that we really are there for everyone.
Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
I'm sorry, but I don't consider it willpower to willfully undermine our national institutions. I'm as livid as anyone at the Republicans for what they did in the past. But the answer is not to meet them at their level, it is to set a proper standard and show people that we really are there for everyone.
What are you talking about? You don't have to undermine any national institutions. You just have to stop fucking dragging your feet about eliminating the filibuster on court appointments and fill all those seats back during the 2008-2012 period.
But the Democrats lacked either the ability to see and accept what the GOP were doing or the will to do something about it and so we get this instead. The GOP abandoned any pretense that they thought the Democratic party was a legitimate political party ages ago. And in the face of that the Democrats just kept pretending it hadn't happened. They kept believing that if they just kept acting like everything was normal, it would all work out. And that's how you end up with the GOP packing the federal judiciary full of charlatans and partisan cranks.
The will the Democrats lacked that I am talking about is the will to acknowledge that the GOP had no interest in ever letting them use the powers they had won in the election to seat judges and then to act on that knowledge before it was too late. They waited forever to ditch the filibuster while continually acting like if they were just nice enough the GOP would acknowledge their legitimacy.
You can't set standards, don't be foolish. The GOP does not care. Kennedy (R-LA) lived the video we watched a few days ago and still thought "Yeah, sure". The only answer is to win back Congress and jam appointments through. And that's a minimum. Starting to remove some of these chucklefucks would be smarter but is sadly well beyond what the Democratic party is capable of deciding to do. They fear the ridiculous outcry that would come from impeaching some of these completely unqualified hacks.
Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
Republicans have not expanded the size of the Judiciary. There are no new judgeships packed into the District or Appellate Courts.
Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
They didn't lack the will to appoint people, they were stymied for an entire year on every judicial appointment, not just the Supreme Court.
Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
They didn't lack the will to appoint people, they were stymied for an entire year on every judicial appointment, not just the Supreme Court.
I think the point is that if the Dems were 1- sufficiently motivated and 2- realistic about whether the GOP would work with them that they could have not been stymied, as they could have immediately done away with the cloture requirement for judicial picks. However, they seem to have lacked said motivation, and they kept playing Charlie Brown & Lucy & the Football instead of going "these guys are a bunch of fuckers, so fuck 'em" and getting rid of the filibuster for non-SC positions. At least until (I think) 2013, when Reid finally went "oh, right, it'd be cool if the President got to nominate and get judges into the system without needing 60 fucking votes".
Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
They didn't lack the will to appoint people, they were stymied for an entire year on every judicial appointment, not just the Supreme Court.
I think the point is that if the Dems were 1- sufficiently motivated and 2- realistic about whether the GOP would work with them that they could have not been stymied, as they could have immediately done away with the cloture requirement for judicial picks. However, they seem to have lacked said motivation, and they kept playing Charlie Brown & Lucy & the Football instead of going "these guys are a bunch of fuckers, so fuck 'em" and getting rid of the filibuster for non-SC positions. At least until (I think) 2013, when Reid finally went "oh, right, it'd be cool if the President got to nominate and get judges into the system without needing 60 fucking votes".
The Democrats have been in the minority since 2014, so I'm not sure they could have actually changed the rules in the senate. and the reason the Republicans were able to stymie the democratic picks was because the Democrats changed the rules in 2013 to allow a simple majority. As soon as the Republicans became a majority, they were able to stop both rule changes and appointments. Or, so my understanding of it goes.
Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
They didn't lack the will to appoint people, they were stymied for an entire year on every judicial appointment, not just the Supreme Court.
I think the point is that if the Dems were 1- sufficiently motivated and 2- realistic about whether the GOP would work with them that they could have not been stymied, as they could have immediately done away with the cloture requirement for judicial picks. However, they seem to have lacked said motivation, and they kept playing Charlie Brown & Lucy & the Football instead of going "these guys are a bunch of fuckers, so fuck 'em" and getting rid of the filibuster for non-SC positions. At least until (I think) 2013, when Reid finally went "oh, right, it'd be cool if the President got to nominate and get judges into the system without needing 60 fucking votes".
The Democrats have been in the minority since 2014, so I'm not sure they could have actually changed the rules in the senate. and the reason the Republicans were able to stymie the democratic picks was because the Democrats changed the rules in 2013 to allow a simple majority. As soon as the Republicans became a majority, they were able to stop both rule changes and appointments. Or, so my understanding of it goes.
I think we're largely talking Jan 2009 - 2013. I'm not sure if we're talking past one another, or we're agreeing, or I'm doing a bad job of explaining what I think Shryke's point is.
But between Jan 2009 - 2013 Reid could have done away with the filibuster/cloture for judicial nominations, but he didn't. The argument, I believe, is that he should have done so as soon as the Republicans made it evident that they had no plans to allow President Obama to nominate judges as he should have been able to do, or to accomplish just about anything else if they had the opportunity to stop it.
Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
They didn't lack the will to appoint people, they were stymied for an entire year on every judicial appointment, not just the Supreme Court.
I think the point is that if the Dems were 1- sufficiently motivated and 2- realistic about whether the GOP would work with them that they could have not been stymied, as they could have immediately done away with the cloture requirement for judicial picks. However, they seem to have lacked said motivation, and they kept playing Charlie Brown & Lucy & the Football instead of going "these guys are a bunch of fuckers, so fuck 'em" and getting rid of the filibuster for non-SC positions. At least until (I think) 2013, when Reid finally went "oh, right, it'd be cool if the President got to nominate and get judges into the system without needing 60 fucking votes".
The Democrats have been in the minority since 2014, so I'm not sure they could have actually changed the rules in the senate. and the reason the Republicans were able to stymie the democratic picks was because the Democrats changed the rules in 2013 to allow a simple majority. As soon as the Republicans became a majority, they were able to stop both rule changes and appointments. Or, so my understanding of it goes.
No. Reid finally pulled the trigger in Nov 2013, which is what stopped the Republicans from preventing nominations which they had been doing up to that point. The Democrats controlled the Senate and the White House from January 2009 to December 2014. They could have changed the rules at any time during that period, they just didn't want to.
Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
They didn't lack the will to appoint people, they were stymied for an entire year on every judicial appointment, not just the Supreme Court.
I think the point is that if the Dems were 1- sufficiently motivated and 2- realistic about whether the GOP would work with them that they could have not been stymied, as they could have immediately done away with the cloture requirement for judicial picks. However, they seem to have lacked said motivation, and they kept playing Charlie Brown & Lucy & the Football instead of going "these guys are a bunch of fuckers, so fuck 'em" and getting rid of the filibuster for non-SC positions. At least until (I think) 2013, when Reid finally went "oh, right, it'd be cool if the President got to nominate and get judges into the system without needing 60 fucking votes".
The Democrats have been in the minority since 2014, so I'm not sure they could have actually changed the rules in the senate. and the reason the Republicans were able to stymie the democratic picks was because the Democrats changed the rules in 2013 to allow a simple majority. As soon as the Republicans became a majority, they were able to stop both rule changes and appointments. Or, so my understanding of it goes.
I think we're largely talking Jan 2009 - 2013. I'm not sure if we're talking past one another, or we're agreeing, or I'm doing a bad job of explaining what I think Shryke's point is.
But between Jan 2009 - 2013 Reid could have done away with the filibuster/cloture for judicial nominations, but he didn't. The argument, I believe, is that he should have done so as soon as the Republicans made it evident that they had no plans to allow President Obama to nominate judges as he should have been able to do, or to accomplish just about anything else if they had the opportunity to stop it.
I feel like this opinion suffers greatly from the clarity of hindsight. America in 2009 would not have been ready for an all-out Democratic assault on Senate norms.
Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
They didn't lack the will to appoint people, they were stymied for an entire year on every judicial appointment, not just the Supreme Court.
I think the point is that if the Dems were 1- sufficiently motivated and 2- realistic about whether the GOP would work with them that they could have not been stymied, as they could have immediately done away with the cloture requirement for judicial picks. However, they seem to have lacked said motivation, and they kept playing Charlie Brown & Lucy & the Football instead of going "these guys are a bunch of fuckers, so fuck 'em" and getting rid of the filibuster for non-SC positions. At least until (I think) 2013, when Reid finally went "oh, right, it'd be cool if the President got to nominate and get judges into the system without needing 60 fucking votes".
The Democrats have been in the minority since 2014, so I'm not sure they could have actually changed the rules in the senate. and the reason the Republicans were able to stymie the democratic picks was because the Democrats changed the rules in 2013 to allow a simple majority. As soon as the Republicans became a majority, they were able to stop both rule changes and appointments. Or, so my understanding of it goes.
I think we're largely talking Jan 2009 - 2013. I'm not sure if we're talking past one another, or we're agreeing, or I'm doing a bad job of explaining what I think Shryke's point is.
But between Jan 2009 - 2013 Reid could have done away with the filibuster/cloture for judicial nominations, but he didn't. The argument, I believe, is that he should have done so as soon as the Republicans made it evident that they had no plans to allow President Obama to nominate judges as he should have been able to do, or to accomplish just about anything else if they had the opportunity to stop it.
I feel like this opinion suffers greatly from the clarity of hindsight. America in 2009 would not have been ready for an all-out Democratic assault on Senate norms.
Eh, it does suffer to a degree regarding hindsight, yes, but I think the second half of that argument falls flat when looked at from the other end: America was ready for an all-out stymieing of duly-elected Democratic governance by Republicans, right? The Republicans took it upon themselves to hamstring, in any way they could, the party that the electorate had just put in charge of the Executive branch, and had given the same party a near-supermajority in the Senate, and a clean majority in the House. If the country was ready for that (and I'm fairly sure it wasn't given a choice), then I don't agree that the country wasn't ready for the Democratic party to effectively respond "pretty sure we just got overwhelmingly told we're in charge, so how about 'no'".
This is, in essence, the entire problem with the Republican party boiled down to a single point: they do not believe that the Democratic Party has any legitimate right to govern the country, despite what the electorate may have to say about it.
Even friggin' FDR couldn't get a court-packing law through. There is practically zero chance of the Supreme Court expanding under normal circumstances anymore.
Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
They didn't lack the will to appoint people, they were stymied for an entire year on every judicial appointment, not just the Supreme Court.
I think the point is that if the Dems were 1- sufficiently motivated and 2- realistic about whether the GOP would work with them that they could have not been stymied, as they could have immediately done away with the cloture requirement for judicial picks. However, they seem to have lacked said motivation, and they kept playing Charlie Brown & Lucy & the Football instead of going "these guys are a bunch of fuckers, so fuck 'em" and getting rid of the filibuster for non-SC positions. At least until (I think) 2013, when Reid finally went "oh, right, it'd be cool if the President got to nominate and get judges into the system without needing 60 fucking votes".
The Democrats have been in the minority since 2014, so I'm not sure they could have actually changed the rules in the senate. and the reason the Republicans were able to stymie the democratic picks was because the Democrats changed the rules in 2013 to allow a simple majority. As soon as the Republicans became a majority, they were able to stop both rule changes and appointments. Or, so my understanding of it goes.
I think we're largely talking Jan 2009 - 2013. I'm not sure if we're talking past one another, or we're agreeing, or I'm doing a bad job of explaining what I think Shryke's point is.
But between Jan 2009 - 2013 Reid could have done away with the filibuster/cloture for judicial nominations, but he didn't. The argument, I believe, is that he should have done so as soon as the Republicans made it evident that they had no plans to allow President Obama to nominate judges as he should have been able to do, or to accomplish just about anything else if they had the opportunity to stop it.
I feel like this opinion suffers greatly from the clarity of hindsight. America in 2009 would not have been ready for an all-out Democratic assault on Senate norms.
Eh, it does suffer to a degree regarding hindsight, yes, but I think the second half of that argument falls flat when looked at from the other end: America was ready for an all-out stymieing of duly-elected Democratic governance by Republicans, right? The Republicans took it upon themselves to hamstring, in any way they could, the party that the electorate had just put in charge of the Executive branch, and had given the same party a near-supermajority in the Senate, and a clean majority in the House. If the country was ready for that (and I'm fairly sure it wasn't given a choice), then I don't agree that the country wasn't ready for the Democratic party to effectively respond "pretty sure we just got overwhelmingly told we're in charge, so how about 'no'".
This is, in essence, the entire problem with the Republican party boiled down to a single point: they do not believe that the Democratic Party has any legitimate right to govern the country, despite what the electorate may have to say about it.
And it's nothing to do with hindsight since people on this forum were pointing out what was happening and calling on the Democrats to just pull the trigger for years before they bothered. What the GOP was up to was obvious for a long time.
America was ready to accept an all-out assault on Senate norms then. Any way in which they wouldn't accept it then, they still wouldn't accept it now, despite it having gotten to the point of stealing a seat on the Supreme Court. Because the head-in-sand position of pretending everything is fine is immune to the facts on the ground, so you might as well just pull the trigger cause no amount of good behaviour on the Democrats part is gonna change that.
“I had hoped that my nearly two decades of public service might carry more weight than my two worst minutes on television,” he said. “However, I am no stranger to political realities, and I do not wish to be a continued distraction from the important work of your Administration and the Senate.”
Yeah, your two worst minutes that showed how completely unqualified you were for the job...
EDIT: beat by 3m... but I had a link showing the news, so leaving the post...
the fucking arrogance of this guy. You moron, there are other candidates with two decades of public service who arent completely unqualified and incompetent. These fucking people always think theyre gods gift, theres not position they arent qualified for in their own minds. I guess Trump has shown them that anythings possible.
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Talking about packing the lower courts here. Exactly as the GOP are doing and the Democrats lacked the will to do themselves.
I'm sorry, but I don't consider it willpower to willfully undermine our national institutions. I'm as livid as anyone at the Republicans for what they did in the past. But the answer is not to meet them at their level, it is to set a proper standard and show people that we really are there for everyone.
Then let's not be the cause of that, is all I'm saying. Yes, it looks like we are blustering into the wind, but people DO notice.
This discussion is outside the scope of this thread.
What are you talking about? You don't have to undermine any national institutions. You just have to stop fucking dragging your feet about eliminating the filibuster on court appointments and fill all those seats back during the 2008-2012 period.
But the Democrats lacked either the ability to see and accept what the GOP were doing or the will to do something about it and so we get this instead. The GOP abandoned any pretense that they thought the Democratic party was a legitimate political party ages ago. And in the face of that the Democrats just kept pretending it hadn't happened. They kept believing that if they just kept acting like everything was normal, it would all work out. And that's how you end up with the GOP packing the federal judiciary full of charlatans and partisan cranks.
The will the Democrats lacked that I am talking about is the will to acknowledge that the GOP had no interest in ever letting them use the powers they had won in the election to seat judges and then to act on that knowledge before it was too late. They waited forever to ditch the filibuster while continually acting like if they were just nice enough the GOP would acknowledge their legitimacy.
You can't set standards, don't be foolish. The GOP does not care. Kennedy (R-LA) lived the video we watched a few days ago and still thought "Yeah, sure". The only answer is to win back Congress and jam appointments through. And that's a minimum. Starting to remove some of these chucklefucks would be smarter but is sadly well beyond what the Democratic party is capable of deciding to do. They fear the ridiculous outcry that would come from impeaching some of these completely unqualified hacks.
Republicans have not expanded the size of the Judiciary. There are no new judgeships packed into the District or Appellate Courts.
They didn't lack the will to appoint people, they were stymied for an entire year on every judicial appointment, not just the Supreme Court.
I think the point is that if the Dems were 1- sufficiently motivated and 2- realistic about whether the GOP would work with them that they could have not been stymied, as they could have immediately done away with the cloture requirement for judicial picks. However, they seem to have lacked said motivation, and they kept playing Charlie Brown & Lucy & the Football instead of going "these guys are a bunch of fuckers, so fuck 'em" and getting rid of the filibuster for non-SC positions. At least until (I think) 2013, when Reid finally went "oh, right, it'd be cool if the President got to nominate and get judges into the system without needing 60 fucking votes".
The Democrats have been in the minority since 2014, so I'm not sure they could have actually changed the rules in the senate. and the reason the Republicans were able to stymie the democratic picks was because the Democrats changed the rules in 2013 to allow a simple majority. As soon as the Republicans became a majority, they were able to stop both rule changes and appointments. Or, so my understanding of it goes.
I think we're largely talking Jan 2009 - 2013. I'm not sure if we're talking past one another, or we're agreeing, or I'm doing a bad job of explaining what I think Shryke's point is.
But between Jan 2009 - 2013 Reid could have done away with the filibuster/cloture for judicial nominations, but he didn't. The argument, I believe, is that he should have done so as soon as the Republicans made it evident that they had no plans to allow President Obama to nominate judges as he should have been able to do, or to accomplish just about anything else if they had the opportunity to stop it.
No. Reid finally pulled the trigger in Nov 2013, which is what stopped the Republicans from preventing nominations which they had been doing up to that point. The Democrats controlled the Senate and the White House from January 2009 to December 2014. They could have changed the rules at any time during that period, they just didn't want to.
I feel like this opinion suffers greatly from the clarity of hindsight. America in 2009 would not have been ready for an all-out Democratic assault on Senate norms.
Eh, it does suffer to a degree regarding hindsight, yes, but I think the second half of that argument falls flat when looked at from the other end: America was ready for an all-out stymieing of duly-elected Democratic governance by Republicans, right? The Republicans took it upon themselves to hamstring, in any way they could, the party that the electorate had just put in charge of the Executive branch, and had given the same party a near-supermajority in the Senate, and a clean majority in the House. If the country was ready for that (and I'm fairly sure it wasn't given a choice), then I don't agree that the country wasn't ready for the Democratic party to effectively respond "pretty sure we just got overwhelmingly told we're in charge, so how about 'no'".
This is, in essence, the entire problem with the Republican party boiled down to a single point: they do not believe that the Democratic Party has any legitimate right to govern the country, despite what the electorate may have to say about it.
And it's nothing to do with hindsight since people on this forum were pointing out what was happening and calling on the Democrats to just pull the trigger for years before they bothered. What the GOP was up to was obvious for a long time.
America was ready to accept an all-out assault on Senate norms then. Any way in which they wouldn't accept it then, they still wouldn't accept it now, despite it having gotten to the point of stealing a seat on the Supreme Court. Because the head-in-sand position of pretending everything is fine is immune to the facts on the ground, so you might as well just pull the trigger cause no amount of good behaviour on the Democrats part is gonna change that.
the fucking arrogance of this guy. You moron, there are other candidates with two decades of public service who arent completely unqualified and incompetent. These fucking people always think theyre gods gift, theres not position they arent qualified for in their own minds. I guess Trump has shown them that anythings possible.