If you're saying Joker isn't a hell of a lot smarter than Typhoid Mary, that's pretty silly.
He creates his own gases and chemicals on a regular basis.
The dude matches wits with Batman on an even more regular basis.
The reason Batman has problems with him is not because the Joker is his intellectual equal, but because it's virtually impossible to understand what's going on in his mind.
Mary being insane is definitely a bonus to Joker. He knows insane better than anybody, and he'd be able to manipulate her in ways he can't manipulate people like Robin and Catwoman.
Besides, in comics, the good guy almost always has to win, so of course Robin and Catwoman have beaten him.
That's a straw man argument if I've ever seen one.
This Joker shit is giving me Deadpool hero tourney flashbacks.
If you're saying Joker isn't a hell of a lot smarter than Typhoid Mary, that's pretty silly.
He creates his own gases and chemicals on a regular basis.
The dude matches wits with Batman on an even more regular basis.
The reason Batman has problems with him is not because the Joker is his intellectual equal, but because it's virtually impossible to understand what's going on in his mind.
Mary being insane is definitely a bonus to Joker. He knows insane better than anybody, and he'd be able to manipulate her in ways he can't manipulate people like Robin and Catwoman.
Besides, in comics, the good guy almost always has to win, so of course Robin and Catwoman have beaten him.
That's a straw man argument if I've ever seen one.
This Joker shit is giving me Deadpool hero tourney flashbacks.
Deadpool should have gone through any round which allowed equipment.
Mary being insane is definitely a bonus to Joker. He knows insane better than anybody, and he'd be able to manipulate her in ways he can't manipulate people like Robin and Catwoman.
Besides, in comics, the good guy almost always has to win, so of course Robin and Catwoman have beaten him.
How do you manipulate someone who is hell bent on killing you?
Hell, the reason why Batman has so much trouble with him is that he alway's puts him in moral quandaries, and, it's nigh impossible to deduce what he's thinking. Batman alway's tries to STOP the Joker....
Mary just wants to kill the SOB.
I mean, if she get's pissed enough, she can litterally LIGHT THE ENTIRE ARENA ON FIRE. Problem solved. No fancy manipulation, no nothing, she just BURNS EVERYTHING TO ASH.
So? He doesn't have to manipulate her. He can gas her, shoot her, invite her over for a chat while she is relatively sane and squirt acid into her face.
The Joker is extremely unpredictable. Much more so than any of the other contestants. Chances are he'll kill her by catching her unawares, because he knows that he sucks at fighting.
So? He doesn't have to manipulate her. He can gas her, shoot her, invite her over for a chat while she is relatively sane and squirt acid into her face.
The Joker is extremely unpredictable. Much more so than any of the other contestants. Chances are he'll kill her by catching her unawares, because he knows that he sucks at fighting.
For the purposes of the fight SHE'S unpredicatable because he doesn't know a thing about her.
Sure he can gas her, shoot her, and give her the acidic money shot, but she can kill him just as easily with her abilities (if not easier).
You can't justify a Joker win just by listing his abilities, and that's all anyone seems to be doing. It's especially ridiculous when Mary has just as much at her disposal, excepting the benefit of being an extremely well known and liked character.
So? He doesn't have to manipulate her. He can gas her, shoot her, invite her over for a chat while she is relatively sane and squirt acid into her face.
The Joker is extremely unpredictable. Much more so than any of the other contestants. Chances are he'll kill her by catching her unawares, because he knows that he sucks at fighting.
Umm, Mary only has two modes...
Typhoid: Kill
and
Bloody: Kill HARDER.
There is no unawares. She's just as likley to kill me, you, the Joker, and hell, anyone.
That's why she's an assassin/mass-murderer. It dosen't matter WHO you are, 9 times out of 10, she'll probably kill you, for no damn reason.
So? He doesn't have to manipulate her. He can gas her, shoot her, invite her over for a chat while she is relatively sane and squirt acid into her face.
The Joker is extremely unpredictable. Much more so than any of the other contestants. Chances are he'll kill her by catching her unawares, because he knows that he sucks at fighting.
Umm, Mary only has two modes...
Typhoid: Kill
and
Bloody: Kill HARDER.
There is no unawares. She's just as likley to kill me, you, the Joker, and hell, anyone.
That's why she's an assassin/mass-murderer. It dosen't matter WHO you are, 9 times out of 10, she'll probably kill you, for no damn reason.
You do realize that there are plenty of occasions where Typhoid Mary didn't kill people, even though she could, right?
And the Joker is a criminal mastermind. He's probably not going to confront her directly. And if he will, it would probably be in such a way that would end with him surprising her with joker gas or acid to the face, both of which would be quite fatal.
So? He doesn't have to manipulate her. He can gas her, shoot her, invite her over for a chat while she is relatively sane and squirt acid into her face.
The Joker is extremely unpredictable. Much more so than any of the other contestants. Chances are he'll kill her by catching her unawares, because he knows that he sucks at fighting.
Umm, Mary only has two modes...
Typhoid: Kill
and
Bloody: Kill HARDER.
There is no unawares. She's just as likley to kill me, you, the Joker, and hell, anyone.
That's why she's an assassin/mass-murderer. It dosen't matter WHO you are, 9 times out of 10, she'll probably kill you, for no damn reason.
You do realize that there are plenty of occasions where The Joker didn't kill people, even though he could, right?
And Typhoid Mary is an assasin. She's probably not going to confront him directly. And if she will, it would probably be in such a way that would end with her surprising him with setting him on fire or daggers to the face, both of which would be quite fatal.
And the circle is COMPLETE!
And btw, she has 4 modes, the last one being the "dependent" personality. She's constantly the victim, needs to depend on men, excetra excetra.
The fact that the Joker has left people alive as well doesn't really mean anything, since it's only about three to four percent of everybody he has ever met.
He has killed hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of people, not even counting his time as Emperor Joker when he probably killed trillions upon trillions upon trillions.
He is a hundred times the homicidal maniac Typhoid Mary could ever hope to be, Bloody Mary or not, and he is much, much smarter than her.
He is insane, but he's not stupid. He's actually stronger than he appears to be, as well, because he has almost no inhibitions whatsoever. He can easily ignore the pain of overexertion or injury. He is a veritable engine of pain and death and suffering unlike pretty much anything in Marvel and DC.
And he doesn't look at all threatening at first.
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Joker knows nothing about mary and mary knows nothing about joker.
Sorry guys, but Joker loses.
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The fact that the Joker has left people alive as well doesn't really mean anything, since it's only about three to four percent of everybody he has ever met.
He has killed hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of people, not even counting his time as Emperor Joker when he probably killed trillions upon trillions upon trillions.
He is a hundred times the homicidal maniac Typhoid Mary could ever hope to be, Bloody Mary or not, and he is much, much smarter than her.
He is insane, but he's not stupid. He's actually stronger than he appears to be, as well, because he has almost no inhibitions whatsoever. He can easily ignore the pain of overexertion or injury. He is a veritable engine of pain and death and suffering unlike pretty much anything in Marvel and DC.
And he doesn't look at all threatening at first.
Okay, sorry if I wasn't being very clear, but, I was able to say the EXACT SAME THING you said, except with a Typhoid Mary bent...
That's...not good...
Win senarios, at their core, should be at least a LITTLE different then the opponents. At the very least, unique to the said character's abilities.
I.e.
Mary punching a telekinetic hole through the joker.
Mary throwing him out of bounds, or high orbit, whatever
Mary re-directing the acid stream of the flower to hit the Joker.
Mary setting the Joker's brain on fire.
So on so forth...
Only Mary can do these things...
In your previous post, Mary could do those exact same things you were described him doing, which, does not a good argument make.
And, what you described in the quote is well and good an all, but, a fail to see how this magically stops the girl from setting him on fire with the mind...
Edit: And goddamn, this fight is getting way too much discussion on my part, let's try some thing else....
Why would Mary deflect the Joker's flower? It's only harmless water, right? WRONG OH GOD IT'S ACID AND OH JESUS IT'S EATING YOUR FACE I DID NOT EXPECT THIS AT ALL WHY GOD WHY.
A gun? Yes, a gun. A gun that probably looks like a toy gun. Is that a toy gun? NO! WRONG! YOU HAVE A FLAG IN YOUR HEAD NOW! A POISONED FLAG! OH THE HUMANITY! AND IT EXPLODES, TOO, POSSIBLY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE.
Where is my opponent oh god what is that smell HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA dead.
The only way Typhoid Mary can sneak up on the Daredevil is because she knows him. She doesn't know the Joker, and, combined with his insanity, would make him completely impossible to detect.
The Joker's perfectly content to sit his time out and set some elaborate trap using kitchen utensils.
Basically, he will not directly confront Typhoid Mary. If he does, he'll do it on his own terms, and he'll lure her to him, and then kill her. Horrendously.
Or well you do but you're doing that thing where you pick a character then stonewall how that person could never possibly lose even thought they very well could.
Yes, knowing Daredevil is all it takes to go undetected by his superhuman senses. Surely there are no skills to back up her stealth, only familiarity with the red-headed lawyer.
Why would she even give Joker the chance to squirt her with a flower or shoot his toy gun? I wouldn't let anyone squirt me with water if I could help it, much less acid. I don't relish getting pegged in the head by Nerf darts.
Joker's only chance to win is by setting a trap, as you said. Mary's an assassin though and is therefore familiar with enough with getting caught by security systems and crazy ninja body guards to know that she should always have her guard up. The only way Joker can win is if he manages to do something completely unexpected and impossible to dodge (possible) before Mary even gets the chance to see his face (somewhat less likely).
Joker's brilliant, but his modus operandi usually has him exchanging some words with a person face to face before taking them out. Ultimately, it's the flair for the dramatic that'll do him in since Typhoid needs to know how she was beaten to "appreciate" it and Joker has to be there to see her expression. Unfortunately for Joker, he doesn't know that giving Mary the chance to meet him face to face instead of killing her before she can even find him is likely to cost him the match given her powerset.
Guys, it's okay, Specter-x is just trying to not have the Joker get shit on.
Hell, I did the same thing with Impulse when everyone was all "OMG MAGS/HULK FTW!!".
Sure, I realize the Jokester's not exactly one to take lightly underestimate, and, like all good fights, he stands a chance of winning.
I just have to point out that is chance of winning is very situational, and, even if he did manage to pull of the perfect scenario, he still has a feasible chance of losing.
In the meanwhile, you have Typhoid Mary. She dosen't need a scenario to win.
I am not doing that at all. I am merely making it clear that the way the Joker does things does not allow Mary to use her powers to their fullest capacity.
She won't be able to find him, for one, giving him plenty of time to rig up a small area with traps or whatnot.
He is incredibly crafty, much more so than Typhoid Mary, seeing as the Joker goes up against Batman, who is a step up from Daredevil in the wits department.
The thing is this: The Joker is not going to fight Mary out in the open. He will fight her on his terms, which means that he'll lure her into an area he has familiarized himself with or something similar, and then proceed to kill her with a trap, or just surprise her by standing around the corner, or even behind her, and then shooting her, electrocuting her, gassing her or melting her head.
She is not going to let him do anything. HE is going to MAKE her let him do something.
Sure, she has skills. She also knows Daredevil. SHe knows where she is likely to find him. She knows nothing about the Joker. She doesn't know who he is, how he thinks, what he does, nothing. She knows nothing about him. At all. On the off chance that she spots the Joker, it'll be either because he wants to be seen, or through some incredibly improbable event. Either way, it's extremely difficult to keep track of him.
Her chances are actually quite slim. She could win, but the Joker has more experience with crazy and sneaking around and manipulating people.
Joker would've killed Batman and any number of lesser heroes by now if he was the type to just take someone from behind and melt their head.
You obviously don't know how the Joker works. Batman is the only hero he cares about. And Batman deserves far grander a demise than just some acid to the face.
And if Joker were the type to just take someone from behind or by surprise?
Barbara Gordon would like a word with you, sir.
EDIT: I am just saying that the Joker outwits Batman, who is more difficult to outwit than Daredevil in order to illustrate what Joker can do.
Basically this boils down to the fact that most people are unfamiliar with Typhoid Mary, and just voting for the Joker.
It's how I forsee Mandarin losing as well.
Basically this boils down to the fact that most people are unfamiliar with Typhoid Mary, and just voting for the Joker.
It's how I forsee Mandarin losing as well.
Not quite....
Typhoid Mary has tits, you see, so, she'll get the tits vote...
Popularity Vs. Knowledge of the Character and tits.
Joker would've killed Batman and any number of lesser heroes by now if he was the type to just take someone from behind and melt their head.
You obviously don't know how the Joker works. Batman is the only hero he cares about. And Batman deserves far grander a demise than just some acid to the face.
And if Joker were the type to just take someone from behind or by surprise?
Barbara Gordon would like a word with you, sir.
EDIT: I am just saying that the Joker outwits Batman, who is more difficult to outwit than Daredevil in order to illustrate what Joker can do.
Uhmmm... Joker didn't just take Barbara by surprise and give her a quick kill. He paralyzed her, sexually assaulted her, and photographed the entire thing. Furthermore, that's all without knowing she was really Batgirl.
All that's a far cry from bashing someone's head in from behind without giving them the chance to even realize they're about to die.
The fact is that Joker would think the kill was pointless if there was nobody around to see it, either during or afterwards. Given the lack of an audience, Typhoid would have to be the one to "appreciate" her own death.
Again you miss the point completely. The Joker paralyzed Barbara Gordon. By shooting her in the spine. If he wanted to, he could have easily killed her right then and there. But she's part of the Bat-family (by the Joker's knowledge through her association with Jim Gordon), and as such she desrves something far grander. Also, she was just a tool to torture Gordon with.
Joker doesn't know Typhoid Mary. He doesn't care about her. He wouldn't think twice about killing her from behind or around the corner with only a snappy one-liner to send her off.
Joker has killed dozens upon dozens of people without an audience and without any fuss. And if he were to keep Mary alive to torture her, you can bet on it that she'd be in too much pain for any of her personas to use her powers.
I'm switching my vote to Mary. Originally I thought her only power was multiple personalities (I mean, who reads Daredevil anyways, m i rite), but on further consideration she's apparently a fuckton more powerful than I first thought.
Also: the Joker is crafty. Typhoid Mary is not crafty.
Just sayin'
If you're comparing the Riddler/Braniac fight to the Joker/Typhoid Mary, you're pretty nuts. The differences between the Riddler and Brainiac, and the differences between the Joker and Typhoid Mary are incomparable.
Typhoid Mary is crafty. The Joker is craftier.
And I don't think you understand the Joker very well.
But okay, explain to me why she won't fall for whatever certainly unconventional trap the Joker would use against her.
Again you miss the point completely. The Joker paralyzed Barbara Gordon. By shooting her in the spine. If he wanted to, he could have easily killed her right then and there. But she's part of the Bat-family (by the Joker's knowledge through her association with Jim Gordon), and as such she desrves something far grander. Also, she was just a tool to torture Gordon with.
Joker doesn't know Typhoid Mary. He doesn't care about her. He wouldn't think twice about killing her from behind or around the corner with only a snappy one-liner to send her off.
Joker has killed dozens upon dozens of people without an audience and without any fuss. And if he were to keep Mary alive to torture her, you can bet on it that she'd be in too much pain for any of her personas to use her powers.
You just said Batman's the only one he cared about.
When has Joker ever killed someone in a fight without any sort of lengthy preamble and drawn out conclusion? I'm not talking about a member of the faceless masses who are generally regarded as being just a part to the whole of a population, but someone whom Joker found himself pitted against.
Joker's made an appearance in lots of books besides Batman. Why aren't those heroes dead?
And isn't one of Mary's personas designed specifically to withstand pain?
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The reason Batman has problems with him is not because the Joker is his intellectual equal, but because it's virtually impossible to understand what's going on in his mind.
That's a straw man argument if I've ever seen one.
This Joker shit is giving me Deadpool hero tourney flashbacks.
Deadpool should have gone through any round which allowed equipment.
He can weild Uru Hammers, dammit.
The answer is Mary, so that's how I'ma votin'.
How do you manipulate someone who is hell bent on killing you?
Hell, the reason why Batman has so much trouble with him is that he alway's puts him in moral quandaries, and, it's nigh impossible to deduce what he's thinking. Batman alway's tries to STOP the Joker....
Mary just wants to kill the SOB.
I mean, if she get's pissed enough, she can litterally LIGHT THE ENTIRE ARENA ON FIRE. Problem solved. No fancy manipulation, no nothing, she just BURNS EVERYTHING TO ASH.
Mary can do the same thing, but with fire. And then stab Joker with knives she is controlling with her brain.
in the process burning all the oxygen around her thereby making her lungs implode/oxygen depravation (less likely than the lung thing i think).
also, whats the rate of her pyrokinesis, and has she ever been shown to immolate herself?
also, we have no idea of the flammability of joker venom do we?
Nope, one of her powers is that she can absorb flames, so, no pesky self burnings for her
She still won't have any oxygen left to breathe.
Joker's not a fighter. He knows this. He's a criminal mastermind. He's not going to try to physically best her.
And manipulating someone who is hell-bent on killing you is really, really easy.
Examples?
When you're not in control of your emotions, they're subject to be toyed with.
The Joker is extremely unpredictable. Much more so than any of the other contestants. Chances are he'll kill her by catching her unawares, because he knows that he sucks at fighting.
For the purposes of the fight SHE'S unpredicatable because he doesn't know a thing about her.
Sure he can gas her, shoot her, and give her the acidic money shot, but she can kill him just as easily with her abilities (if not easier).
You can't justify a Joker win just by listing his abilities, and that's all anyone seems to be doing. It's especially ridiculous when Mary has just as much at her disposal, excepting the benefit of being an extremely well known and liked character.
Umm, Mary only has two modes...
Typhoid: Kill
and
Bloody: Kill HARDER.
There is no unawares. She's just as likley to kill me, you, the Joker, and hell, anyone.
That's why she's an assassin/mass-murderer. It dosen't matter WHO you are, 9 times out of 10, she'll probably kill you, for no damn reason.
You do realize that there are plenty of occasions where Typhoid Mary didn't kill people, even though she could, right?
And the Joker is a criminal mastermind. He's probably not going to confront her directly. And if he will, it would probably be in such a way that would end with him surprising her with joker gas or acid to the face, both of which would be quite fatal.
And the circle is COMPLETE!
And btw, she has 4 modes, the last one being the "dependent" personality. She's constantly the victim, needs to depend on men, excetra excetra.
He has killed hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of people, not even counting his time as Emperor Joker when he probably killed trillions upon trillions upon trillions.
He is a hundred times the homicidal maniac Typhoid Mary could ever hope to be, Bloody Mary or not, and he is much, much smarter than her.
He is insane, but he's not stupid. He's actually stronger than he appears to be, as well, because he has almost no inhibitions whatsoever. He can easily ignore the pain of overexertion or injury. He is a veritable engine of pain and death and suffering unlike pretty much anything in Marvel and DC.
And he doesn't look at all threatening at first.
Sorry guys, but Joker loses.
Okay, sorry if I wasn't being very clear, but, I was able to say the EXACT SAME THING you said, except with a Typhoid Mary bent...
That's...not good...
Win senarios, at their core, should be at least a LITTLE different then the opponents. At the very least, unique to the said character's abilities.
I.e.
Mary punching a telekinetic hole through the joker.
Mary throwing him out of bounds, or high orbit, whatever
Mary re-directing the acid stream of the flower to hit the Joker.
Mary setting the Joker's brain on fire.
So on so forth...
Only Mary can do these things...
In your previous post, Mary could do those exact same things you were described him doing, which, does not a good argument make.
And, what you described in the quote is well and good an all, but, a fail to see how this magically stops the girl from setting him on fire with the mind...
Edit: And goddamn, this fight is getting way too much discussion on my part, let's try some thing else....
How bad is Braniac gonna rape The Riddler?
Hint:
[spoiler:0252158408] ULTRA-BAD[/spoiler:0252158408]
He can go far.
A gun? Yes, a gun. A gun that probably looks like a toy gun. Is that a toy gun? NO! WRONG! YOU HAVE A FLAG IN YOUR HEAD NOW! A POISONED FLAG! OH THE HUMANITY! AND IT EXPLODES, TOO, POSSIBLY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE.
Where is my opponent oh god what is that smell HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA dead.
The only way Typhoid Mary can sneak up on the Daredevil is because she knows him. She doesn't know the Joker, and, combined with his insanity, would make him completely impossible to detect.
The Joker's perfectly content to sit his time out and set some elaborate trap using kitchen utensils.
Basically, he will not directly confront Typhoid Mary. If he does, he'll do it on his own terms, and he'll lure her to him, and then kill her. Horrendously.
Or well you do but you're doing that thing where you pick a character then stonewall how that person could never possibly lose even thought they very well could.
Why would she even give Joker the chance to squirt her with a flower or shoot his toy gun? I wouldn't let anyone squirt me with water if I could help it, much less acid. I don't relish getting pegged in the head by Nerf darts.
Joker's only chance to win is by setting a trap, as you said. Mary's an assassin though and is therefore familiar with enough with getting caught by security systems and crazy ninja body guards to know that she should always have her guard up. The only way Joker can win is if he manages to do something completely unexpected and impossible to dodge (possible) before Mary even gets the chance to see his face (somewhat less likely).
Joker's brilliant, but his modus operandi usually has him exchanging some words with a person face to face before taking them out. Ultimately, it's the flair for the dramatic that'll do him in since Typhoid needs to know how she was beaten to "appreciate" it and Joker has to be there to see her expression. Unfortunately for Joker, he doesn't know that giving Mary the chance to meet him face to face instead of killing her before she can even find him is likely to cost him the match given her powerset.
Hell, I did the same thing with Impulse when everyone was all "OMG MAGS/HULK FTW!!".
Sure, I realize the Jokester's not exactly one to take lightly underestimate, and, like all good fights, he stands a chance of winning.
I just have to point out that is chance of winning is very situational, and, even if he did manage to pull of the perfect scenario, he still has a feasible chance of losing.
In the meanwhile, you have Typhoid Mary. She dosen't need a scenario to win.
That's why she moves on in my book...
She won't be able to find him, for one, giving him plenty of time to rig up a small area with traps or whatnot.
He is incredibly crafty, much more so than Typhoid Mary, seeing as the Joker goes up against Batman, who is a step up from Daredevil in the wits department.
The thing is this: The Joker is not going to fight Mary out in the open. He will fight her on his terms, which means that he'll lure her into an area he has familiarized himself with or something similar, and then proceed to kill her with a trap, or just surprise her by standing around the corner, or even behind her, and then shooting her, electrocuting her, gassing her or melting her head.
She is not going to let him do anything. HE is going to MAKE her let him do something.
Sure, she has skills. She also knows Daredevil. SHe knows where she is likely to find him. She knows nothing about the Joker. She doesn't know who he is, how he thinks, what he does, nothing. She knows nothing about him. At all. On the off chance that she spots the Joker, it'll be either because he wants to be seen, or through some incredibly improbable event. Either way, it's extremely difficult to keep track of him.
Her chances are actually quite slim. She could win, but the Joker has more experience with crazy and sneaking around and manipulating people.
Brilliant.
You obviously don't know how the Joker works. Batman is the only hero he cares about. And Batman deserves far grander a demise than just some acid to the face.
And if Joker were the type to just take someone from behind or by surprise?
Barbara Gordon would like a word with you, sir.
EDIT: I am just saying that the Joker outwits Batman, who is more difficult to outwit than Daredevil in order to illustrate what Joker can do.
It's how I forsee Mandarin losing as well.
Not quite....
Typhoid Mary has tits, you see, so, she'll get the tits vote...
Popularity Vs. Knowledge of the Character and tits.
It's GONNA BE DAMN CLOSE
Uhmmm... Joker didn't just take Barbara by surprise and give her a quick kill. He paralyzed her, sexually assaulted her, and photographed the entire thing. Furthermore, that's all without knowing she was really Batgirl.
All that's a far cry from bashing someone's head in from behind without giving them the chance to even realize they're about to die.
The fact is that Joker would think the kill was pointless if there was nobody around to see it, either during or afterwards. Given the lack of an audience, Typhoid would have to be the one to "appreciate" her own death.
Doom gave the Riddler EMPs.
Also: the Joker is crafty. Typhoid Mary is not crafty.
Just sayin'
Anally.
Joker doesn't know Typhoid Mary. He doesn't care about her. He wouldn't think twice about killing her from behind or around the corner with only a snappy one-liner to send her off.
Joker has killed dozens upon dozens of people without an audience and without any fuss. And if he were to keep Mary alive to torture her, you can bet on it that she'd be in too much pain for any of her personas to use her powers.
Typhoid Mary is crafty. The Joker is craftier.
And I don't think you understand the Joker very well.
But okay, explain to me why she won't fall for whatever certainly unconventional trap the Joker would use against her.
You just said Batman's the only one he cared about.
When has Joker ever killed someone in a fight without any sort of lengthy preamble and drawn out conclusion? I'm not talking about a member of the faceless masses who are generally regarded as being just a part to the whole of a population, but someone whom Joker found himself pitted against.
Joker's made an appearance in lots of books besides Batman. Why aren't those heroes dead?
And isn't one of Mary's personas designed specifically to withstand pain?