I think the answer is, Twilight Imperium doesn't care about secret information or conditional ACs.
Rather, MrBody's Committee choice could usurp Phyphor's choices in the play order, based on information Phyphor has given. And Phyphor can't react because his card has been cancelled?
Actually the committee triggers on 'Before players vote' which should be after 'After an agenda is revealed'.
So MrBody can still do whatever with that
Yes, that's how I'm ruling it. Action cards like the Riders and Veto all happen first, and then Committee Formation can be spent afterwards, before the first votes are cast. I'll leave things open until tomorrow night for further discussion and plays before moving things forward.
I say we vote for Hacan. He's not a leader, has to waste an action taking his home system back, and Muaat gets no benefit for attacking him since it would cancel out the support for the throne note.
If we give it to L1z1x or myself, Muaat just attacks us and instantly wins.
If you give it to L1z1x, he has my ceasefire.
But then Winnu probably attacks him and wins.
If you give it to the Naalu, then his fighter hordes might be able to hold off Phyphor, and I'm not close to the Naalu either.
Alright, let's get to voting. @MrBody is up first, which includes the option to use and discard Committee Formation.
Shard of the Throne (Law) Elect Player: The elected player gains this card and 1 victory point. A player gains this card and 1 victory point when he wins a combat against the owner of this card. Then, the previous owner of this card loses 1 victory point.
Voting Order Sardakk N'orr: Up to 9 votes The Embers of Muaat: Up to 13 votes The L1z1x Mindnet: Up to 4 votes The Winnu: Up to 19 votes The Emirates of Hacan: Up to 13 votes The Naalu Collective: Imperial Rider - L1z1x
Voting Status Sardakk N'orr: 2 votes - Naalu The Embers of Muaat: 5 votes - Naalu The L1z1x Mindnet: Abstain The Winnu: Up to 19 votes The Emirates of Hacan: Up to 13 votes The Naalu Collective: Imperial Rider - L1z1x
We will give you the pride of honour at our court, if you would but give it to us.
Embers + Noble Space Lions : The face of a new empire
But seriously, @MrBlarney
Vote Results Sardakk N'orr: 2 votes - Naalu The Embers of Muaat: 5 votes - Naalu The L1z1x Mindnet: Abstain The Winnu: Abstain The Emirates of Hacan: Abstain The Naalu Collective: Imperial Rider - L1z1x
Naalu receives the Shard of the Throne card. (VP 6 --> 7)
Imperial Rider does not trigger.
The second agenda is revealed from the deck: Fleet Regulations (Law) For: Each player cannot have more than 4 tokens in his fleet pool. Against: Each player places 1 command token from his reinforcements in his fleet pool.
Voting Order Sardakk N'orr: Up to 7 votes The Embers of Muaat: Up to 8 votes The L1z1x Mindnet: Up to 4 votes The Winnu: Up to 19 votes The Emirates of Hacan: Up to 13 votes The Naalu Collective: Up to 6 votes; Speaker
I'll give the weekend for discussion before opening up voting.
But 5 VP
We can take no responsibility for the consequences of our power-lust
Besides, we sent our destroyers and they will be commemorated in the hall of Heroes
KetarCome on upstairswe're having a partyRegistered Userregular
Play a rider choosing Against as the outcome.
Warfare Rider
After an agenda is revealed: You cannot vote on this agenda. Predict aloud an outcome of this agenda. If your prediction is correct, place 1 dreadnought from your reinforcements in a system that contains 1 or more of your ships.
Assuming that voting has started, and @MrBody 's vote is unchanged Vote 8 for For
I'd prefer to weaken Phyphor than have a fleet token, and it looks like I'll get the fleet token anyway if it does go Against.
I would like to play
Leadership Rider
After an agenda is revealed: You cannot vote on this agenda. Predict aloud an outcome of this agenda. If your prediction is correct, gain 3 command tokens.
FOR
and
Politics Rider
After an agenda is revealed: You cannot vote on this agenda. Predict aloud an outcome of this agenda. If your prediction is correct, draw 3 action cards and gain the speaker token.
AGAINST
Yeah...
I reckon a For only hurts Phyphor, which might be reason enough to vote For actually.
We may need to take MR off him at some point.
That would have been a better use of those warnsuns
See and I'm kicking myself for not attacking his war sun instead of unexpected actioning, but I didn't expect he would draw a SO that could be completed that turn
I didn't draw an SO that could be completed that turn.
I put that one back.
I just managed to get my planned 5VP turn off after picking 8.
In any case, unless people want to sabotage any of that junk from Phyphor, I'd strongly suggest voting For, unless we want to have to stop him getting the Imperial card through ACs. No Sab
Sorry for the delay in hosting response. I guess, since I didn't open things up this morning, pre-voting actions were still open, so Phyphor's Rider plays will be counted as valid. I'm a bit busy right now, but I'll leave it up to the players to make calls on Sabotages before making a choice on setting votes, as you'd like.
KetarCome on upstairswe're having a partyRegistered Userregular
Everybody in my house has the flu, including me, so I'm just checking in occasionally when I'm less feverish and agreeing with stuff like "no sabs."
I just got done shoveling for an hour after finally getting my kids to sleep and would like to go die now.
Everybody who can vote should vote for if you want a chance at winning. And lykouragh probably needs to grab Imperial, so that if discrider has an action card that would prevent him from doing so MrBody still has a chance to take it.
Whaaaat?
Nooo....
As we have been strategically losing all game so as to ignite a revolution, we see no need to not continue to strategically lose now.
I would suggest letting me win, personally.
...
Please?
You are at 9 and it's completely impossible for me to score a 2vp objective
You could get the 5 planets with a tech specialty pretty easily this round, actually. Especially with those extra command tokens you're about to get.
You could also get 1 point by winning a battle against Naalu and then would need a 1 point objective or Imperial + Mec Rex.
You could even manage the 2 point objective for 2 techs in 4 different colors if you have the action card that lets you research a tech.
It is, of course, easier for discrider to get the 1 point he needs.
I have access to 6 planets with tech specialties sure. Except one is next to your homeworld which I can't reach with any meaningful ships anyway, one is next to hacans homeworld and one is held by the player with my ceasefire
Focused research and technology rider has already been played and in any case i would need both tech and trade goods to pull it off even if I had it
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Rather, MrBody's Committee choice could usurp Phyphor's choices in the play order, based on information Phyphor has given. And Phyphor can't react because his card has been cancelled?
I don't know, these rules don't make much sense.
So MrBody can still do whatever with that
If we give it to L1z1x or myself, Muaat just attacks us and instantly wins.
If you give it to L1z1x, he has my ceasefire.
But then Winnu probably attacks him and wins.
If you give it to the Naalu, then his fighter hordes might be able to hold off Phyphor, and I'm not close to the Naalu either.
Shard of the Throne (Law)
Elect Player: The elected player gains this card and 1 victory point. A player gains this card and 1 victory point when he wins a combat against the owner of this card. Then, the previous owner of this card loses 1 victory point.
Voting Order
Sardakk N'orr: Up to 9 votes
The Embers of Muaat: Up to 13 votes
The L1z1x Mindnet: Up to 4 votes
The Winnu: Up to 19 votes
The Emirates of Hacan: Up to 13 votes
The Naalu Collective: Imperial Rider - L1z1x
@discrider
Not sure how many more chances you'll have to use that committee and we need to head off Phyphor as well as me.
5 votes for Naalu
@Ketar
@Phyphor
Sardakk N'orr: 2 votes - Naalu
The Embers of Muaat: 5 votes - Naalu
The L1z1x Mindnet: Abstain
The Winnu: Up to 19 votes
The Emirates of Hacan: Up to 13 votes
The Naalu Collective: Imperial Rider - L1z1x
@Phyphor to vote.
@jakobagger
Embers + Noble Space Lions : The face of a new empire
But seriously, @MrBlarney
Sardakk N'orr: 2 votes - Naalu
The Embers of Muaat: 5 votes - Naalu
The L1z1x Mindnet: Abstain
The Winnu: Abstain
The Emirates of Hacan: Abstain
The Naalu Collective: Imperial Rider - L1z1x
Naalu receives the Shard of the Throne card. (VP 6 --> 7)
Imperial Rider does not trigger.
The second agenda is revealed from the deck:
Fleet Regulations (Law)
For: Each player cannot have more than 4 tokens in his fleet pool.
Against: Each player places 1 command token from his reinforcements in his fleet pool.
Voting Order
Sardakk N'orr: Up to 7 votes
The Embers of Muaat: Up to 8 votes
The L1z1x Mindnet: Up to 4 votes
The Winnu: Up to 19 votes
The Emirates of Hacan: Up to 13 votes
The Naalu Collective: Up to 6 votes; Speaker
I'll give the weekend for discussion before opening up voting.
I reckon a For only hurts Phyphor, which might be reason enough to vote For actually.
We may need to take MR off him at some point.
That would have been a better use of those warnsuns
We can take no responsibility for the consequences of our power-lust
Besides, we sent our destroyers and they will be commemorated in the hall of Heroes
Warfare Rider
After an agenda is revealed: You cannot vote on this agenda. Predict aloud an outcome of this agenda. If your prediction is correct, place 1 dreadnought from your reinforcements in a system that contains 1 or more of your ships.
Vote 8 for For
I'd prefer to weaken Phyphor than have a fleet token, and it looks like I'll get the fleet token anyway if it does go Against.
Leadership Rider
After an agenda is revealed: You cannot vote on this agenda. Predict aloud an outcome of this agenda. If your prediction is correct, gain 3 command tokens.
FOR
and
Politics Rider
After an agenda is revealed: You cannot vote on this agenda. Predict aloud an outcome of this agenda. If your prediction is correct, draw 3 action cards and gain the speaker token.
AGAINST
See and I'm kicking myself for not attacking his war sun instead of unexpected actioning, but I didn't expect he would draw a SO that could be completed that turn
I put that one back.
I just managed to get my planned 5VP turn off after picking 8.
In any case, unless people want to sabotage any of that junk from Phyphor, I'd strongly suggest voting For, unless we want to have to stop him getting the Imperial card through ACs.
No Sab
@MrBody @Lykouragh @Ketar @jakobagger
So 'junk' in the 'boy that's an inpenetrable wall of ACs that aren't mine' sense.
I just got done shoveling for an hour after finally getting my kids to sleep and would like to go die now.
Everybody who can vote should vote for if you want a chance at winning. And lykouragh probably needs to grab Imperial, so that if discrider has an action card that would prevent him from doing so MrBody still has a chance to take it.
...
Please?
You are at 9 and it's completely impossible for me to score a 2vp objective
You could get the 5 planets with a tech specialty pretty easily this round, actually. Especially with those extra command tokens you're about to get.
You could also get 1 point by winning a battle against Naalu and then would need a 1 point objective or Imperial + Mec Rex.
You could even manage the 2 point objective for 2 techs in 4 different colors if you have the action card that lets you research a tech.
It is, of course, easier for discrider to get the 1 point he needs.
Nooo....
As we have been strategically losing all game so as to ignite a revolution, we see no need to not continue to strategically lose now.
I have access to 6 planets with tech specialties sure. Except one is next to your homeworld which I can't reach with any meaningful ships anyway, one is next to hacans homeworld and one is held by the player with my ceasefire
Focused research and technology rider has already been played and in any case i would need both tech and trade goods to pull it off even if I had it