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Comey's Goddamn Book [A Higher Loyalty]

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    spool32 wrote: »
    Also, just watched that interview and the guy really does come off as entirely genuine. I like every single one of his answers.

    Comey is a guy who believes he's a good moral person but is unwilling to admit the amount he plays politics and thus unwilling to admit that he fucked up things because he was playing politics. He might be genuine in his own self-delusion, sure. Or alternatively he's very interested in creating the image of being genuine and moral.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Personally, I think he's lying and did it because he's a partisan Republican who knows the Clintons are monsters and the Weiner laptop would finally reveal it. But I understand how others could come to different conclusions. I just don't think any of them are flattering to him.

    His press conference back in 2016 just dripped with his distaste for Clinton which is why he did the whole thing imo and is what motivates his actions later as well.

    And then he tries to wrap that up in the image he cultivates for himself that he may or may not actually believe himself.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Anyway, the only stance with any actual integrity was to follow normal procedure, not comment on an investigation, then definitely not comment on an investigation in its very early stages involving a presidential candidate eight days before a damn election, and then stand up for his organization's rules and procedures rather than caving to its critics pre-emptively to try to inoculate the FBI against those criticisms.

    Needless to say, he did not choose that path.

    I have all of the feels about James Comey and the effort to rehabilitate him.

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    RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Anyway, the only stance with any actual integrity was to follow normal procedure, not comment on an investigation, then definitely not comment on an investigation in its very early stages involving a presidential candidate eight days before a damn election, and then stand up for his organization's rules and procedures rather than caving to its critics pre-emptively to try to inoculate the FBI against those criticisms.

    Needless to say, he did not choose that path.

    I have all of the feels about James Comey and the effort to rehabilitate him.

    Comey walking into the New York office, gathering management and letting them know that any election oriented leaks coming out of there would mean they would all be working in the ass end of nowhere in dead end positions by the time it was election day - that would have been respectable.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    Anyway, the only stance with any actual integrity was to follow normal procedure, not comment on an investigation, then definitely not comment on an investigation in its very early stages involving a presidential candidate eight days before a damn election, and then stand up for his organization's rules and procedures rather than caving to its critics pre-emptively to try to inoculate the FBI against those criticisms.

    Needless to say, he did not choose that path.

    I have all of the feels about James Comey and the effort to rehabilitate him.

    Comey walking into the New York office, gathering management and letting them know that any election oriented leaks coming out of there would mean they would all be working in the ass end of nowhere in dead end positions by the time it was election day - that would have been respectable.

    Yeah, I hate that defense. "Rogue FBI agents at the New York office would have leaked anyway."

    Then fire them for violating the damn rules. Or send them to Boise. Whatever. Be a good manager.

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    Looks like Comey's memos on his discussions with Trump were released to Congress, and the media has redacted copies:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/comey-memos-released_us_5ad93952e4b0e4d0715ecc05

    Doesn't seem like there's any new information in here. Probably some salacious bits though. For example...
    The President then wrapped up our conversation by returning to the issue of finding leakers. I said something about the value of putting a head on a pike as a message. He replied by saying it may involve putting reporters in jail. "They spend a couple days in jail, make a new friend, and they are ready to talk." I laughed as I walked to the door Reince Priebus had opened.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Noble defender of democracy!

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Noble defender of democracy!

    Of course, reporters need to fear the law.

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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    What a swell guy, laughing at a joke about reporters getting raped in prison

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    Kristmas KthulhuKristmas Kthulhu Currently Kultist Kthulhu Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    What a swell guy, laughing at a joke about reporters getting raped in prison

    He was very uncomfortable with the realization of just whom he’d put in charge of the military might of the USA.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    (this is all sarcasm btw fuck that hack)

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Yeah, I don't think he was laughing because hw found that funny

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Yeah, I don't think he was laughing because hw found that funny

    What leads you to believe he wouldn't?

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    MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Yeah, I don't think he was laughing because hw found that funny

    Based on that excerpt I'm not so sure. He's writing in first person, it's not someones opinion on his reaction, so he could easily have but a qualifier on it i.e. false, forced, nervous etc etc.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Yeah I laughed doesn't put any input to say he was laughing nervously or uncomfortably. He literally heard a joke about reporters being put in prison on bs charges to be sexually assaulted and laughed about it. So maybe write that in your book James.

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Comey memos in the Mueller thread. This is for his book.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Comey memos in the Mueller thread. This is for his book.

    Isn't Comey still off-topic in the Mueller thread, though? The memos actual contents don't appear to have any additional relevance to the investigation.

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Comey memos in the Mueller thread. This is for his book.

    Isn't Comey still off-topic in the Mueller thread, though? The memos actual contents don't appear to have any additional relevance to the investigation.

    Talk about them there.

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Also, just watched that interview and the guy really does come off as entirely genuine. I like every single one of his answers.

    Comey is a guy who believes he's a good moral person but is unwilling to admit the amount he plays politics and thus unwilling to admit that he fucked up things because he was playing politics. He might be genuine in his own self-delusion, sure. Or alternatively he's very interested in creating the image of being genuine and moral.

    Nah, he's just trying (and failing) to cover his ass. Is all that matters. Trump might win, so might as well get some digs at Clinton, play both sides.

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    Kristmas KthulhuKristmas Kthulhu Currently Kultist Kthulhu Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Yeah, I don't think he was laughing because hw found that funny

    What leads you to believe he wouldn't?

    We all know Trump was not making a joke, but being literal. It was surely Comey’s way of getting out of there without calling POTUS a fucking lunatic to his face, which is to say spineless.

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    Handsome CostanzaHandsome Costanza Ask me about 8bitdo RIP Iwata-sanRegistered User regular
    Boy it sure does fucking infuriate me that Trump can't get right the name of the country where the attack that killed one of my best friends from childhood took place, I'll tell you what.

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    BSoBBSoB Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Yeah I laughed doesn't put any input to say he was laughing nervously or uncomfortably. He literally heard a joke about reporters being put in prison on bs charges to be sexually assaulted and laughed about it. So maybe write that in your book James.

    Put in his book commentary and context about unreleased classified memos?

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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    I just finished reading the chapter on Stellar Wind, and that is some legit intense stuff. The entire Justice Department leadership was prepared to resign, Alberto Gonzales ignoring presidential orders, director Rice refusing to help reign it in, the race to George Washington Hospital, all of it.

    9/11 really shook this country, but we let it get under our skin in a way that is far more corrosive than any threat from terrorism.

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    RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    9/11 really shook this country, but we let it get under our skin in a way that is far more corrosive than any threat from terrorism.

    People have been saying this since the lead up to the Iraq War duder.

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    9/11 really shook this country, but we let it get under our skin in a way that is far more corrosive than any threat from terrorism.

    People have been saying this since the lead up to the Iraq War duder.

    Doesn't make it any less true. The Terrorists won the war on terror.

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    SadgasmSadgasm Deluded doodler A cold placeRegistered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    RedTide wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    9/11 really shook this country, but we let it get under our skin in a way that is far more corrosive than any threat from terrorism.

    People have been saying this since the lead up to the Iraq War duder.

    Doesn't make it any less true. The Terrorists won the war on terror.

    There was never a war on terror, it was a war on America's idiotic mistakes in the middle east and their misguided attempts at building a buffer against the USSR. But no one ever brings it up because no one wants to acknowledge anything outside "YEAH MURICA FREEDOM".

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Sadgasm wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    RedTide wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    9/11 really shook this country, but we let it get under our skin in a way that is far more corrosive than any threat from terrorism.

    People have been saying this since the lead up to the Iraq War duder.

    Doesn't make it any less true. The Terrorists won the war on terror.

    There was never a war on terror, it was a war on America's idiotic mistakes in the middle east and their misguided attempts at building a buffer against the USSR. But no one ever brings it up because no one wants to acknowledge anything outside "YEAH MURICA FREEDOM".

    Not on topic

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