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So wait...they are admitting the victim and her mother met with Engler...and the Michigan State spokeswoman didn't even DENY that they discussed a settlement (if you believe that it was strictly "philosophical") so...which part exactly was false?
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So wait...they are admitting the victim and her mother met with Engler...and the Michigan State spokeswoman didn't even DENY that they discussed a settlement (if you believe that it was strictly "philosophical") so...which part exactly was false?
Much like with the White House, when they say "fake news" they mean "the true things that make us look bad."
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Another lawsuit, from seven women this time. Suing MSU, the Board of Trustees itself, USAG, Nassar, Strampel, Klages, Teachnor-Hauk, and a couple names I don't recognize. The Lansing State Journal's guy on this beat estimates we are close to 300 plaintiffs.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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edited April 2018
And now the lawyer from MSU apologizes for the email.
Here's the statement:
I offer my sincerest and most heartfelt apology for the letter I sent to MSU leaders after the Board meeting. I did not think about how my words would make the survivors feel. What the survivors of Larry Nassar have been through should not be experienced by anyone, and I’m sorry my words added to their pain.
-Carol Viventi, MSU Vice President and Special Counsel to the President
Whatever. You're just sorry that the email got leaked out and now won't send anything like that through email. I bet also you will do everything you can to find out who leaked it.
Carol Morey Viventi, currently the Director of Special Projects for the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, has been named Deputy Director of the Michigan Department of Civil Rights.
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Viventi’s private sector experience includes legal work for Auto Owners Insurance Company, the Michigan Hospital Association and private practice.
So...she was head of a branch of Health and Human Services, was part of the Department of Civil Rights, fought for the insurance companies and hospitals.
If this email is any indication, her first instinct is to blame the victim and think they are just in it for the money. I pity anyone who came to her seeking help in any of those departments.
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CHICAGO — Michigan State University, already reeling from the scandal involving a gymnastics doctor who molested young athletes, has maintained ties to a prominent volleyball coach for decades after he was publicly accused in 1995 of sexually abusing and raping six underage girls he trained in the 1980s.
Letters obtained by the Associated Press from advocates for the accusers reveal the school has been under pressure for at least a year to sever its relationship with Rick Butler. He runs training facilities in suburban Chicago that for decades have been a pipeline for top volleyball recruits, including Michigan State. MSU also held exhibition games for successive years at his facilities, at least through 2014, according to online records.
You guys I’m starting to think MSU has a systemic problem here.
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The Nassar thing is a gymnastics problem. It became a specifically MSU problem due to MSU's specific failure to act accordingly.
Nah, they specifically employed Nassar and gave him a professorship and what not. This guy it looks like fucking everybody maintained a recruiting relationship with, at least in the midwest.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
The Nassar thing is a gymnastics problem. It became a specifically MSU problem due to MSU's specific failure to act accordingly.
Nah, they specifically employed Nassar and gave him a professorship and what not. This guy it looks like fucking everybody maintained a recruiting relationship with, at least in the midwest.
The sad part is that USA Volleyball did the right thing and banned his ass when this all first came out decades ago. But the goose then went to the AAU, built their volleyball program into a powerhouse, and continued to remain a fixture while continuing his abuse.
Michigan State’s response to all of this? When former president Lou Anna K. Simon was forced to resign in January, she blamed outside pressure, saying, “As tragedies are politicized, blame is inevitable. As president, it is only natural that I am the focus of this anger.”
Former Gov. John Engler, the current president, has been accused of bullying one of Nassar’s victims. His special counsel had to apologize last week after telling board members the woman had “outrageously distorted” details of the meeting with Engler, and was trying to “set up” the university so it would have to pay more to settle civil lawsuits.
Quite the tone they’re setting.
“It’s just horrible, and not the direction we need to be moving in, not just as an institution but as a society,” said Rogers of Reclaim MSU.
Owning up to your mistakes is never easy, and it is exponentially harder when the failings are as egregious as Michigan State’s. But not accepting the depth of its problems, or trying to make them go away as quickly and as quietly as possible, is what got the university in this trouble in the first place.
Penn State is often held up as the model of what not to do when faced with a sex abuse scandal. But what Michigan State has done, what it continues to do, is far worse.
Michigan State’s response to all of this? When former president Lou Anna K. Simon was forced to resign in January, she blamed outside pressure, saying, “As tragedies are politicized, blame is inevitable. As president, it is only natural that I am the focus of this anger.”
Former Gov. John Engler, the current president, has been accused of bullying one of Nassar’s victims. His special counsel had to apologize last week after telling board members the woman had “outrageously distorted” details of the meeting with Engler, and was trying to “set up” the university so it would have to pay more to settle civil lawsuits.
Quite the tone they’re setting.
“It’s just horrible, and not the direction we need to be moving in, not just as an institution but as a society,” said Rogers of Reclaim MSU.
Owning up to your mistakes is never easy, and it is exponentially harder when the failings are as egregious as Michigan State’s. But not accepting the depth of its problems, or trying to make them go away as quickly and as quietly as possible, is what got the university in this trouble in the first place.
Penn State is often held up as the model of what not to do when faced with a sex abuse scandal. But what Michigan State has done, what it continues to do, is far worse.
Didn't Penn State at least sorta try to do the right thing? It's the alumni that keep trying to mess it up.
Michigan State’s response to all of this? When former president Lou Anna K. Simon was forced to resign in January, she blamed outside pressure, saying, “As tragedies are politicized, blame is inevitable. As president, it is only natural that I am the focus of this anger.”
Former Gov. John Engler, the current president, has been accused of bullying one of Nassar’s victims. His special counsel had to apologize last week after telling board members the woman had “outrageously distorted” details of the meeting with Engler, and was trying to “set up” the university so it would have to pay more to settle civil lawsuits.
Quite the tone they’re setting.
“It’s just horrible, and not the direction we need to be moving in, not just as an institution but as a society,” said Rogers of Reclaim MSU.
Owning up to your mistakes is never easy, and it is exponentially harder when the failings are as egregious as Michigan State’s. But not accepting the depth of its problems, or trying to make them go away as quickly and as quietly as possible, is what got the university in this trouble in the first place.
Penn State is often held up as the model of what not to do when faced with a sex abuse scandal. But what Michigan State has done, what it continues to do, is far worse.
Didn't Penn State at least sorta try to do the right thing? It's the alumni that keep trying to mess it up.
Penn State was a clusterfuck on all levels, IIRC. The admin were both too invested in Paterno/Sandusky to do anything, and feared Paterno - who had absolute power over that place. That went right up to the then current state governor, too.
Bill Cosby isn't really on topic to this thread, which is sports related scandals.
I refuse to have us start yet another sexual abuse thread, jesus, and I don't think there's enough to talk about for a dedicated Bill Cosby thread. He's convicted and you can check the news for further details.
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All of that is why Engler has been saying, including during a legislative hearing last month, that tuition is going to have to handle the costs.
MSU also ended the last fiscal year with $1.1 billion in unrestricted net assets. That's money that isn't legally contracted to a certain project, but often is set aside for particular projects.
It's like a family's savings account where money is set aside for a new car, a new roof for the house and other projects. It can be switched to something else, or to cover an emergency, but that means those projects can't be covered.
The two biggest chunks of what MSU has set aside its unrestricted net assets for are infrastructure ($557 million) and programs ($400 million).
So Engler seems to want to raise tuition though MSU does have the cash but seems to not want to use that. My guess is Engler wants to raise tuition and then borrow the rest. He'll toss out the "we need to be responsible to the victims by having MSU able to pay off their debt" so they won't dip into the unrestricted as that might upset MSU's future. Engler will also say that MSU had a hard choice but "needs" to raise tuition to put into place the systems to stop this from ever happening again. These systems will be set out at the same time he talks about raising tuition so he can link the two. He'll also kick any new buildings down the road a couple of years so that it'll look like MSU is trying to be fiscally responsible while all the while keeping all the cash in their unrestricted assets.
I give him about a year to put this all into place and then he'll leave. The new president comes in and thanks Engler for all his hard work and does the "we need to focus on the future" or "you'll have to ask the former president" on any of the hard questions.
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Forty male gymnasts in Brazil have come forward and said that gymnastics coach Fernando de Carvalho Lopes sexually abused them during their careers, according to a report that aired on aired on Brazilian television Sunday night.
Most of the victims did not wish to be identified. But one of the the victims who decided to go public is Pétrix Barbosa, a member of the team that won the gold at the 2011 Pan American Games. He said that Lopes began abusing him when he was approximately 10 years old and a student at Clube MESC in Sao Paulo.
“I woke up with him — I don’t know how many times — with his hand down my pants,” Barbosa said.
The gymnasts told Globo TV that the abuse happened all over MESC—in the shower and sauna, and during training sessions. One former gymnast said he repeatedly purchased shower curtains so that Lopes’s view would be obstructed, but those curtains kept disappearing.
They also claimed they were abused on the road for competitions. The athletes said that Lopes would ask to see their genitals so he could determine the training load their developing bodies could endure.
While disgraced former Michigan State and USA Gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar is serving prison time for what will likely be the rest of his life after sexually abusing hundreds of young girls and women, his former boss at MSU, William Strampel, is currently facing criminal sexual conduct charges of his own. And according to a statement from MSU Provost June Youatt, first released on Tuesday to the Lansing State Journal, Michigan State higher-ups knew of red flags around Strampel as far back as 2015, and elected to appoint him to another term as dean of the school’s College of Osteopathic Medicine anyway.
Youatt says that, as part of Strampel’s regular five-year review in 2015, MSU solicited comments about the dean through an anonymous survey, which revealed “several accounts of inappropriate remarks and a number of concerns about uncouth and sometimes offensive language.”
From the statement:
More than a year before the national accounts of Nassar came to light, I made a decision to reappoint William Strampel to another term as Dean of the College of Osteopathic Medicine. We had just completed his five-year review where input about his effectiveness was solicited from on and off campus through an anonymous survey. The results included several accounts of inappropriate remarks and a number of concerns about uncouth and sometimes offensive language during the review period.
The concerns raised were taken seriously, and I specifically addressed these in the required post-review conversation. At that point, no complaints had been filed with (the Office of Institutional Equity) or MSUPD regarding Strampel’s behavior.
It's the argument Penn State made to justify demanding the NCAA remove sanctions - that sexual abuse of minors is not within the NCAA's remit. Which is a bad argument because even if you are technically right, you still lose because you just told the world that you and your organization are ghouls.
Does the Washington Redskins confiscating their cheerleaders's passports, have them be ogled at at a forced topless photoshoot and use them as escorts fall under the umbrella of sports abuse scandals?
Does the Washington Redskins confiscating their cheerleaders's passports, have them be ogled at at a forced topless photoshoot and use them as escorts fall under the umbrella of sports abuse scandals?
Does the Washington Redskins confiscating their cheerleaders's passports, have them be ogled at at a forced topless photoshoot and use them as escorts fall under the umbrella of sports abuse scandals?
As someone employee in a DoD facility, I am forced to take mandatory annual training on a number of topics such as not leaking classified documents, identifying people who might be spies, and how not to get killed by active shooters.
And according to my government sponsored Human Trafficking Training, this is totally sex trafficking. Like, textbook example.
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Does the Washington Redskins confiscating their cheerleaders's passports, have them be ogled at at a forced topless photoshoot and use them as escorts fall under the umbrella of sports abuse scandals?
Does the Washington Redskins confiscating their cheerleaders's passports, have them be ogled at at a forced topless photoshoot and use them as escorts fall under the umbrella of sports abuse scandals?
As someone employee in a DoD facility, I am forced to take mandatory annual training on a number of topics such as not leaking classified documents, identifying people who might be spies, and how not to get killed by active shooters.
And according to my government sponsored Human Trafficking Training, this is totally sex trafficking. Like, textbook example.
Does the Washington Redskins confiscating their cheerleaders's passports, have them be ogled at at a forced topless photoshoot and use them as escorts fall under the umbrella of sports abuse scandals?
“I had to give myself a pep talk,” Moceanu said during last week’s keynote address at Child USA’s symposium on athlete abuse on the campus of the University of Pennsylvania. “I was nervous because I knew my life was going to change. I was going to say the word ‘abuse’ out loud for everyone to hear and everyone to critique and go after me.”
And they did. For most of the next decade, Moceanu said, she lost sponsorships and other income opportunities. She also said that former USA Gymnastics chief Steve Penny wouldn’t allow her to promote the sport under the auspices of the organization. And she was personally attacked, both on social media and in private communications, by members of the gymnastics community.
“I had prominent coaches, like John Geddert from the world of elite women’s gymnastics, email me,” Moceanu recalled. “He was an elite, Olympic coach for 2012. This was back in 2008. He said I was essentially terrible for the sport and I backstabbed the sport by speaking up. He wrote me a really inappropriate email.” The former gymnast shared a screenshot of this email on Twitter during the sentencing of former USA Gymnastics team doctor Larry Nassar in Michigan’s Ingham County for decades of sexual abuse offenses. Geddert accused her of stabbing the sport in the back.
“I felt out there all alone,” she said. “People attacking me left and right, attacking my credibility, my character, my integrity.”
It is unsurprising that many of those who attacked her wound up being major players in the Nassar abuses.
Today's Olympic sport facing a sexual abuse scandal - taekwondo:
A 132-page lawsuit filed last week says the U.S. Olympic Committee “has reached for commercial success at all costs by ignoring, denying, obstructing, or covering up complaints of sexual abuse.” It also accuses the USOC of “deferring and diverting investigations” and supporting the national governing bodies that oversee Olympic sports regardless of how little those groups did to protect athletes.
The lawsuit, filed Friday in federal court in Colorado, stems from the case of Jean and Steven Lopez, brothers once dubbed the “first family of taekwondo.” Jean Lopez, his brother’s coach, was banned from the sport last month for sexual misconduct. Steven Lopez, a three-time Olympic medalist, has been under interim restrictions since last year, and on Monday he was placed on temporary suspension. But the investigations into the Lopezes have taken years, while allowing them to take part in the most recent summer Olympics. According to the lawsuit, the conduct of the Lopez brothers toward underage women, including sexual assault, were open secrets with the world of taekwondo well before those Olympics, but the USOC always turned a blind eye because of all the money the brothers brought in.
Can we just take a flamethrower to the USOC at this point?
Engler said those sports receive extra scrutiny in the media, but that coaches Tom Izzo and Mark Dantonio have handled sexual assault accusations against players in the program with great personal integrity.
The interim president spoke Thursday morning at a breakfast event organized by the Detroit Free Press. For roughly an hour, he answered questions from moderator Carol Cain and members of the audience about Michigan State's culture, how it has handled sexual assault allegations in the past and the ongoing litigation regarding former university doctor and convicted sexual abuser Larry Nassar.
When asked if he was worried about a culture that prioritizes winning over other issues, Engler criticized media coverage and said he was concerned about any woman who says she was assaulted, but not about how the school's high-profile sports have handled those accusations in the past.
"I think in Dantonio and Izzo you've got two coaches with great personal integrity who run very clean programs," Engler said. "That is not to say that everybody in those programs has always comported with what's expected of them."
For someone with experience at lying, John, you really suck at it.
@So It Goes or another mod might want to make a ruling on this. Is this story of a USC doctor (not sports related) OK to be in this thread. Because he might surpass Nassar.
EDIT: Also, all of the trigger warnings, again. In particular re: male gynos in this case.
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Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
So It Goes or another mod might want to make a ruling on this. Is this story of a USC doctor (not sports related) OK to be in this thread. Because he might surpass Nassar.
Fuck.
Fuckety fuck fuck fuck FUCK.
Fuck this goose with a rusty post and put him on display in the quad as a warning to others.
So It Goes or another mod might want to make a ruling on this. Is this story of a USC doctor (not sports related) OK to be in this thread. Because he might surpass Nassar.
Fuck.
Fuckety fuck fuck fuck FUCK.
Fuck this goose with a rusty post and put him on display in the quad as a warning to others.
Hey, don't forget every single person in that administration who was complicit in that.
So It Goes or another mod might want to make a ruling on this. Is this story of a USC doctor (not sports related) OK to be in this thread. Because he might surpass Nassar.
Fuck.
Fuckety fuck fuck fuck FUCK.
Fuck this goose with a rusty post and put him on display in the quad as a warning to others.
Hey, don't forget every single person in that administration who was complicit in that.
im putting this in a spoiler because its so fucking creepy
In a series of interviews this spring, Tyndall portrayed himself as a victim. At one point, he offered a theory that chaperones reported him because they had trouble reaching orgasm and were jealous of young patients with tighter pelvic muscles.
Sure screams innocent and not at all an unbalanced creep with a disturbing fixation to me!
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Much like with the White House, when they say "fake news" they mean "the true things that make us look bad."
Here's the statement:
Whatever. You're just sorry that the email got leaked out and now won't send anything like that through email. I bet also you will do everything you can to find out who leaked it.
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More info on Carol Viventi:
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So...she was head of a branch of Health and Human Services, was part of the Department of Civil Rights, fought for the insurance companies and hospitals.
If this email is any indication, her first instinct is to blame the victim and think they are just in it for the money. I pity anyone who came to her seeking help in any of those departments.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2018/04/24/coach-michigan-state-ties-sexual-abuse/545018002/
You guys I’m starting to think MSU has a systemic problem here.
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Nah, they specifically employed Nassar and gave him a professorship and what not. This guy it looks like fucking everybody maintained a recruiting relationship with, at least in the midwest.
The sad part is that USA Volleyball did the right thing and banned his ass when this all first came out decades ago. But the goose then went to the AAU, built their volleyball program into a powerhouse, and continued to remain a fixture while continuing his abuse.
Amanda Thomashaw, one of the more prominent victims, is considering a run for Trustee this fall.
Didn't Penn State at least sorta try to do the right thing? It's the alumni that keep trying to mess it up.
Penn State was a clusterfuck on all levels, IIRC. The admin were both too invested in Paterno/Sandusky to do anything, and feared Paterno - who had absolute power over that place. That went right up to the then current state governor, too.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/26/us/bill-cosby-trial/index.html
MSNBC is currently going through a "holy shit, we can finally stop saying allegedly" moment.
Wow. Looks like the ol' "she's a gold digger" strategy has reached its limits.
I refuse to have us start yet another sexual abuse thread, jesus, and I don't think there's enough to talk about for a dedicated Bill Cosby thread. He's convicted and you can check the news for further details.
So Engler seems to want to raise tuition though MSU does have the cash but seems to not want to use that. My guess is Engler wants to raise tuition and then borrow the rest. He'll toss out the "we need to be responsible to the victims by having MSU able to pay off their debt" so they won't dip into the unrestricted as that might upset MSU's future. Engler will also say that MSU had a hard choice but "needs" to raise tuition to put into place the systems to stop this from ever happening again. These systems will be set out at the same time he talks about raising tuition so he can link the two. He'll also kick any new buildings down the road a couple of years so that it'll look like MSU is trying to be fiscally responsible while all the while keeping all the cash in their unrestricted assets.
I give him about a year to put this all into place and then he'll leave. The new president comes in and thanks Engler for all his hard work and does the "we need to focus on the future" or "you'll have to ask the former president" on any of the hard questions.
How about in 2015:
It's just abusers and enablers all the way down.
It's the argument Penn State made to justify demanding the NCAA remove sanctions - that sexual abuse of minors is not within the NCAA's remit. Which is a bad argument because even if you are technically right, you still lose because you just told the world that you and your organization are ghouls.
https://nytimes.com/2018/05/02/sports/redskins-cheerleaders-nfl.html
How is this not legally sex trafficking?
Burning it all down is too good for these organizations.
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As someone employee in a DoD facility, I am forced to take mandatory annual training on a number of topics such as not leaking classified documents, identifying people who might be spies, and how not to get killed by active shooters.
And according to my government sponsored Human Trafficking Training, this is totally sex trafficking. Like, textbook example.
It is 100% definitely exactly sex trafficking.
So, how long until the FBI or someone shows up?
I'm not holding my breath.
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I'm guessing the law explicitly requires them to be expected to have sex with the men, not just go to he night club with them.
Or worse, they were taking pictures of it all so it's not prostitution, it's pornography.
It is unsurprising that many of those who attacked her wound up being major players in the Nassar abuses.
Can we just take a flamethrower to the USOC at this point?
For someone with experience at lying, John, you really suck at it.
EDIT: Also, all of the trigger warnings, again. In particular re: male gynos in this case.
Fuck.
Fuckety fuck fuck fuck FUCK.
Fuck this goose with a rusty post and put him on display in the quad as a warning to others.
Hey, don't forget every single person in that administration who was complicit in that.
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I won't. The fuckers signed my degree.
Sure screams innocent and not at all an unbalanced creep with a disturbing fixation to me!