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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    When I get older I plan on retiring like the Undertaker. Say I will but only be gone for like a few months then get back to the wrestling.

    Man your current girlfriend better know you plan on trading up later...

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Y’all done talking about cost of living and what is a reasonable salary?

    No it was how much money buys happiness

    All of the moneys! To a point!

    I find the answer is always 20-25% more than you are currently making

    that would not nearly be enough

    It’s basically infinite money. There is always a desire to be doing a little bit better than you were before and I am convinced that the feeling does not abate even as the fear of being poor or homeless subsides.

    I think it is probably equally true that there is a point where the marginal value to one's happiness of another additional dollar is effectively nil and also that the various personal insecurities that drive one to accumulate money don't magically go away when that line is crossed

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    That bone devil does not know where the warlock put her keys and would like to go home now.

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    MrMister wrote: »
    I find this money discussion depressing. Is being in the 90th percentile US, 99th percentile world enough? No, nothing is enough!

    Jesus. Pass me with that shit. I believe that the hippies, Buddhists, and stoics and etc. were correct: attachment to material goods and particularly status competition make people desperately unhappy and never go away, whereas mindfulness and attention to people, relationships, and things of durable value allow them inner tranquility and ultimately fulfillment.

    Money is useful for important things, yeah, I work at a hospital and I realize that. But our culture around money is also actively disgusting and deeply disordered.

    a coworker was telling me that you really gotta put in those nights and weekends if you want to earn the big bucks, and I told him I don't really care about money, I'd just like to make enough to pay down my debts and still be able to buy bullshit once in a while and he looked at me like I was a space alien

    yeah i have a similar disregard for money outside of what i, like, need to survive and occasionally enjoy myself

    my realtor was like jaw agape a few times when i wasn't really concerned about haggling over this or that thing that at the end of the day cost me like maybe $400 over 30 years

    money is a means to an end, and i only put up with it in as much as i am required to have it

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    not that people are claiming otherwise, but the long hours worked by high powered professionals are mirrored by people working 70 hours a week between mcdonald's and roofing. attorneys anf finance people might have to bill 95 hours a week but there is a light at the end of the tunnel (oceans of money).

  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    I enjoy working. A lot.

    I also enjoy playing videogames, sleeping, eating good food, making love to a beautiful woman, and getting good and drunk in fun places far from home.

    My problem is not work, it is that there isn't enough time in my life to do it all, and if I dont work I cant do a lot of those other things... and since I like working anyways...

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  • JepheryJephery Registered User regular
    edited May 2018
    Couscous wrote: »
    Jephery wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill
    The hedonic treadmill, also known as hedonic adaptation, is the observed tendency of humans to quickly return to a relatively stable level of happiness despite major positive or negative events or life changes.[1] According to this theory, as a person makes more money, expectations and desires rise in tandem, which results in no permanent gain in happiness. Brickman and Campbell coined the term in their essay "Hedonic Relativism and Planning the Good Society" (1971).[2] During the late 1990s, the concept was modified by Michael Eysenck, a British psychologist, to become the current "hedonic treadmill theory" which compares the pursuit of happiness to a person on a treadmill, who has to keep walking just to stay in the same place.[citation needed] The concept dates back centuries, to such writers as St. Augustine, cited in Robert Burton's 1621 Anatomy of Melancholy: "A true saying it is, Desire hath no rest, is infinite in itself, endless, and as one calls it, a perpetual rack, or horse-mill."[improper synthesis?]

    All happiness and sadness is temporary, unless you're actually suffering from a mental disorder (in which case seek help).

    So chasing happiness is pointless. Let the little things in life give you joy, or laugh at the futility of it all.

    So what you are saying is I can have permanent happiness if I just get the right mental disorder.

    Yeah. In fact, I think dogs are pretty much bred to have that disorder around humans.

    Cause they're really happy all the time around their favorite people, you can be jealous of them.

    Jephery on
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    "Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Jephery wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill
    The hedonic treadmill, also known as hedonic adaptation, is the observed tendency of humans to quickly return to a relatively stable level of happiness despite major positive or negative events or life changes.[1] According to this theory, as a person makes more money, expectations and desires rise in tandem, which results in no permanent gain in happiness. Brickman and Campbell coined the term in their essay "Hedonic Relativism and Planning the Good Society" (1971).[2] During the late 1990s, the concept was modified by Michael Eysenck, a British psychologist, to become the current "hedonic treadmill theory" which compares the pursuit of happiness to a person on a treadmill, who has to keep walking just to stay in the same place.[citation needed] The concept dates back centuries, to such writers as St. Augustine, cited in Robert Burton's 1621 Anatomy of Melancholy: "A true saying it is, Desire hath no rest, is infinite in itself, endless, and as one calls it, a perpetual rack, or horse-mill."[improper synthesis?]

    All happiness and sadness is temporary, unless you're actually suffering from a mental disorder (in which case seek help).

    So chasing happiness is pointless. Let the little things in life give you joy, or laugh at the futility of it all.

    So what you are saying is I can have permanent happiness if I just get the right mental disorder.
    I'm pretty sure that posting in [chat] is the wrong mental disorder.

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  • 21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    HerrCron wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    why is it so upsetting to me that Valve is actually, like, getting rid of some porny games.

    I certainly agree that several games don't belong on steam. I don't know if they got hit with it, though? But, i guess, I'm scared of VNs having to migrate away from Steam? Like, I feel that some non-violent stories about human relationship are a good thing. IDK, i'm starting to warm up to those and they're possibly going away. :(
    Valve should be cleaning house. They should have a person who's job is to try to install a game and play 30 minutes in, and if it can't do either of those tasks successfully, it gets boots anyone who bought it gets a refund.

    If during that 30 minute period the game is garbage, give them a chance to prove it isn't and move on. 3 strikes and your company is banned.

    The problem is they'd need to have specific, like, guidelines on what is and isn't garbage.

    That is very hard.

    Some kind of "is this software basically functional" check would be fine, it could even be automated.
    Anything else, nah.

    I mean, if "is this software functional" is the bar, i think Steam's doing a decent enough job already. none of the games i buy are non-functional.

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    not that people are claiming otherwise, but the long hours worked by high powered professionals are mirrored by people working 70 hours a week between mcdonald's and roofing. attorneys anf finance people might have to bill 95 hours a week but there is a light at the end of the tunnel (oceans of money).

    if hard work was all it took there would be like almost no poor people

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    They say you can get bored of indulging every whim and idle pleasure, but by golly I'm willing to see how long it takes for the good of science.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    not that people are claiming otherwise, but the long hours worked by high powered professionals are mirrored by people working 70 hours a week between mcdonald's and roofing. attorneys anf finance people might have to bill 95 hours a week but there is a light at the end of the tunnel (oceans of money).

    Yeah for all the "woe be to the rich they work so many hours" so do people who work min wage jobs for shit pay and more physically dangerous. Like the six figure set actually get vacations, sick time, and health benefits. So spare me the woe be to our financial betters spiel.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    Steam should exclusively sell Trainz

    Take a moment to donate what you can to Critical Resistance and Black Lives Matter.
  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    i am money
    no one can get enough of me

    Bless your heart.
  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    why is it so upsetting to me that Valve is actually, like, getting rid of some porny games.

    I certainly agree that several games don't belong on steam. I don't know if they got hit with it, though? But, i guess, I'm scared of VNs having to migrate away from Steam? Like, I feel that some non-violent stories about human relationship are a good thing. IDK, i'm starting to warm up to those and they're possibly going away. :(
    Valve should be cleaning house. They should have a person who's job is to try to install a game and play 30 minutes in, and if it can't do either of those tasks successfully, it gets boots anyone who bought it gets a refund.

    If during that 30 minute period the game is garbage, give them a chance to prove it isn't and move on. 3 strikes and your company is banned.

    The problem is they'd need to have specific, like, guidelines on what is and isn't garbage.

    That is very hard.
    Yes I suppose they would, but having the game install without fidling with options, and function for 30 minutes would get rid of some of the trash.

    It would be hard to be specific, but on the flip side it is a private organization and if they don't like your platform rules they can go to gog or somewhere else, I bet you can define sets of infractions and boot games. Youtube changes their rules at will and boots channels for violating their new rules, sometimes with minimal warning.

  • 21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    why is it so upsetting to me that Valve is actually, like, getting rid of some porny games.

    I certainly agree that several games don't belong on steam. I don't know if they got hit with it, though? But, i guess, I'm scared of VNs having to migrate away from Steam? Like, I feel that some non-violent stories about human relationship are a good thing. IDK, i'm starting to warm up to those and they're possibly going away. :(
    Valve should be cleaning house. They should have a person who's job is to try to install a game and play 30 minutes in, and if it can't do either of those tasks successfully, it gets boots anyone who bought it gets a refund.

    If during that 30 minute period the game is garbage, give them a chance to prove it isn't and move on. 3 strikes and your company is banned.

    The problem is they'd need to have specific, like, guidelines on what is and isn't garbage.

    That is very hard.
    Yes I suppose they would, but having the game install without fidling with options, and function for 30 minutes would get rid of some of the trash.

    It would be hard to be specific, but on the flip side it is a private organization and if they don't like your platform rules they can go to gog or somewhere else, I bet you can define sets of infractions and boot games. Youtube changes their rules at will and boots channels for violating their new rules, sometimes with minimal warning.

    Just because YouTube can doesn’t mean they should.

  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    I mean I am a rich guy and I am thrilled about it and I need zero more money. It's not universal, any family making 250k without unusual medical expenses is choosing to be stressed about money

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    I would have no problem retiring early.

    Boomers unretire because they can't seem to figure out anything else to do with their day since they've been bred to be workaholics and that's how they've defined their life.

    I would just, you know, pick up some fucking hobbies.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    money level 1: pay all bills, buy groceries and kid items, buy reasonable entertainments (movies etc), place child in appropriate daycare/school, be able to go on a few trips a year

    money level 2: all of the above plus saving some for college and retirement

    money level 3: all of the above plus ability to give lots to charity, occasionally make ridiculous purchases

    money level 4: ???

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    TTODewback wrote: »
    i am money
    no one can get enough of me

    TTO how was your pizza the other day

  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    i just want enough money that i don't have to spend so much of my time thinking about money and running out of it

    I'm not trying to humblebrag or anything - my experience has taught me something very important about money, though.

    Like, I have never really cared about money. I care about what it does. Saving was never high on my list of priorities because why do I care how big my bank account is? I care about living, about enjoying my life, and that I feel like I'm working for a reason that betters my life.

    Of course, I'm saving now because I need to be able to retire one day, but the size of the account really doesn't matter to me. The number is irrelevant.

    But getting back to what I learned: I made very little money doing work that I enjoyed when I was a programmer. I was doing some pretty cool stuff with RFID and portable computers back before there were iPhones. But I was making $13/hr. I couldn't buy a new car of ANY kind. I lived in a shitty basement suite because I couldn't afford anything better. Forget saving to go on a trip to anywhere.

    Right now I work technical support for a telecom. Not very exciting. Customers are jerks. It's not like an AT&T call center, thank god, there's lots of downtime and the work culture is p great, but it is what it is. I'm making over $100k a year in a union, though. And my life is so much better. Not because "I make more money" but because I don't worry about bills, or the future. I know I'm pretty well set if I just keep on keeping on. That is notably, incredibly freeing. Even though the work doesn't bring the same kind of satisfaction.

    If I could have done both, been a programmer and made this money, that sounds like the best of both worlds, and that's great, but I don't think I'd be this relaxed. Being a programmed making 6 figures means long hours. It means work stress. And there's just none of that here.

    So maybe there's more answers than just, "if you find a job that you love, you'll never work another day in your life". Maybe it's about finding the job that fits what you need from it, while making what you want possible. Even it's just answering phones.

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    That bone demon's hands are clearly outside the circle of binding and are therefore in violation of basic conjuration principles.

  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    money level 1: pay all bills, buy groceries and kid items, buy reasonable entertainments (movies etc), place child in appropriate daycare/school, be able to go on a few trips a year

    money level 2: all of the above plus saving some for college and retirement

    money level 3: all of the above plus ability to give lots to charity, occasionally make ridiculous purchases

    money level 4: I'm going to buy a huge plot of land and build a sick laser tag arena

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    i just want enough money that i don't have to spend so much of my time thinking about money and running out of it

    I'm not trying to humblebrag or anything - my experience has taught me something very important about money, though.

    Like, I have never really cared about money. I care about what it does. Saving was never high on my list of priorities because why do I care how big my bank account is? I care about living, about enjoying my life, and that I feel like I'm working for a reason that betters my life.

    Of course, I'm saving now because I need to be able to retire one day, but the size of the account really doesn't matter to me. The number is irrelevant.

    But getting back to what I learned: I made very little money doing work that I enjoyed when I was a programmer. I was doing some pretty cool stuff with RFID and portable computers back before there were iPhones. But I was making $13/hr. I couldn't buy a new car of ANY kind. I lived in a shitty basement suite because I couldn't afford anything better. Forget saving to go on a trip to anywhere.

    Right now I work technical support for a telecom. Not very exciting. Customers are jerks. It's not like an AT&T call center, thank god, there's lots of downtime and the work culture is p great, but it is what it is. I'm making over $100k a year in a union, though. And my life is so much better. Not because "I make more money" but because I don't worry about bills, or the future. I know I'm pretty well set if I just keep on keeping on. That is notably, incredibly freeing. Even though the work doesn't bring the same kind of satisfaction.

    If I could have done both, been a programmer and made this money, that sounds like the best of both worlds, and that's great, but I don't think I'd be this relaxed. Being a programmed making 6 figures means long hours. It means work stress. And there's just none of that here.

    So maybe there's more answers than just, "if you find a job that you love, you'll never work another day in your life". Maybe it's about finding the job that fits what you need from it, while making what you want possible. Even it's just answering phones.

    my job is entirely unfulfilling but it does afford me a lot of freedom that most jobs wouldn't

    i just wish it paid a little more or had benefits

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    What actually made me happy: Getting rid of every single piece of bullshit that didn't matter. No mementos, no reminders, no little bits of decor or any kind of consumer-grade product meant to attach one to a product.

    I have a set of camping gear, a set of music gear, my computer, kitchen utensils, and clothes.

    I also have some Philips Hue bulbs and a Nest thermostat waiting for the right place, but those have a reason for their existence and will be used when I get to the right apartment next year.

    Removing all the knick-knacks and shit, getting rid of old things that served no purpose, and only keeping what I actually use made a significant difference in my happiness. On top of that, since I don't purchase these things anymore I have more money overall.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Everybody is laughing at Musk again.

    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/neknzg/elon-musk-tunnel-under-la-nearing-reality
    “If you can do hundreds of tunnels and you can have many small stations woven throughout the fabric of the city, you can actually — without the city even appearing different — you could solve the transport problem,” Musk explained. He said the parking-spot-sized stations could seamlessly integrate into the city, “and it wouldn’t affect things in a bad way.”

    “Compared to an above-ground system or compared to a flying car, you don’t have to worry about bad weather. You can’t see it, hear it, feel it, you’re not dividing communities with lanes, and we think we can make this really fun,” he continued.

  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    I see so many not being able to even get to level 1.

  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    I see so many not being able to even get to level 1.

    Daycare is probably a level 3 money expense for some people, to the point where they decide to just put off having kids most of the time.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    The king dipshit for the dipshit Contractor firm was staring at his phone and walked right off the dock and into the river

    cc: @organichu @powerpuppies

    Please consider the environment before printing this post.
  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    I would like to be wealthy enough to have a vanity business that I can pursue without risk of destroying my life if I don't succeed.

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    Sometimes I sell my stuff on Ebay
  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    I see so many not being able to even get to level 1.

    Yeah I think that's the study -that if you get to level 1 you are feeling pretty fucking good and after that it's diminishing returns.

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    I see so many not being able to even get to level 1.

    Daycare is probably a level 3 money expense for some people, to the point where they decide to just put off having kids most of the time.

    easily half of my friends had one or the other parent quit working because that was less of a burden on the household than paying for daycare

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
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    So It Goes wrote: »
    money level 1: pay all bills, buy groceries and kid items, buy reasonable entertainments (movies etc), place child in appropriate daycare/school, be able to go on a few trips a year

    money level 2: all of the above plus saving some for college and retirement

    money level 3: all of the above plus ability to give lots to charity, occasionally make ridiculous purchases

    money level 4: ???

    What's under level 1 because I'm not even at level one, and between dream and I we make what some would call a great deal of money.

    3000+ dollars worth of student loan debt every month really fucks everything up.

  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    I see so many not being able to even get to level 1.

    Yeah. That average income in the US is going to be barely level 1, if even.

    Which is the fundamental injustice of capitalism.

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    The king dipshit for the dipshit Contractor firm was staring at his phone and walked right off the dock and into the river

    cc: organichu powerpuppies

    oh my godddd

  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    Steam booting off visual novels will hopefully get the audience for ALL visual novels on to a different platform like itch.io that isn’t so afraid of dicks and boobies. And like that, all boats rise.

    I don’t like a near monopoly storefront with strong no adult content rules. It feels like moving backwards. It feels like shopping for music at a Walmart in the mid 90s, with nothing but clean rap and tons of artists hidden.

    Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    .
    So It Goes wrote: »
    money level 1: pay all bills, buy groceries and kid items, buy reasonable entertainments (movies etc), place child in appropriate daycare/school, be able to go on a few trips a year

    money level 2: all of the above plus saving some for college and retirement

    money level 3: all of the above plus ability to give lots to charity, occasionally make ridiculous purchases

    money level 4: ???

    What's under level 1 because I'm not even at level one, and between dream and I we make what some would call a great deal of money.

    3000+ dollars worth of student loan debt every month really fucks everything up.

    under level 1 is where the money you're making sure isn't making you happy because you are worrying about money a lot

    which is where probably most people are tbh

  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited May 2018
    Sleep wrote: »
    3000+ dollars worth of student loan debt every month really fucks everything up.

    God fucking damn

    That is the sort of number that would make me want to just become a bartender or something and live in cash and accept a judgment against me

    Organichu on
  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    Of course I can say this easily as someone whose livelihood doesn’t rely on steam, but still. Move off the platform and bring your audience with you. It’ll hard now but better longterm.

    Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Steam booting off visual novels will hopefully get the audience for ALL visual novels on to a different platform like itch.io that isn’t so afraid of dicks and boobies. And like that, all boats rise.

    I don’t like a near monopoly storefront with strong no adult content rules. It feels like moving backwards. It feels like shopping for music at a Walmart in the mid 90s, with nothing but clean rap and tons of artists hidden.

    Well, no adult content except for the ultraviolent games that are free to have some boobies and dicks.

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