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They were talking on NPR about how absolutely no one is calling for tariffs on cars, especially given how many manufacturing plants we have in the US. All it would do (if they could even define what an imported car is) would be to hurt the US.
They were talking on NPR about how absolutely no one is calling for tariffs on cars, especially given how many manufacturing plants we have in the US. All it would do (if they could even define what an imported car is) would be to hurt the US.
It would also be very damaging to Mexico and Canada.
They were talking on NPR about how absolutely no one is calling for tariffs on cars, especially given how many manufacturing plants we have in the US. All it would do (if they could even define what an imported car is) would be to hurt the US.
It would also be very damaging to Mexico and Canada.
If the US does this, there would inevitably be reciprocal tariffs. It'd be political suicide to roll over and meekly abide by tariffs like that.
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Told that Canada's government says that it's absurd that Canada poses a national security threat - national security being the official rationale here - Commerce Sec Wilbur Ross says, "Governments will say what they say.”
The official justification for the tariffs is national security. Wilbur Ross flatly says Canada and Mexico are getting hit because NAFTA talks have stalled.
Daniel Dale is a reporter for the Toronto Star.
So, because talks have stalled, the response is to bully the other people. Bold move, cotton - let's see how it plays out.
It's not a strategy, it's just a lie. He's mad at Canada and wants protectionist policy because he's an idiot. Claiming it's about national security is because he has to in order to do the tariffs unilaterally.
A lot of our allies hands are tied, because they don't want to rupture the relationship with the U.S. over one bad president. The same thing happened with Bush II.
The other thing that happened with Bush II is that allies felt more empowered to be critical of the U.S. when he was re-elected. Let's hope the same thing doesn't happen here.
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A lot of our allies hands are tied, because they don't want to rupture the relationship with the U.S. over one bad president. The same thing happened with Bush II.
This is actually our second bad president (in recent memory). We'll see if that makes a difference.
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A lot of our allies hands are tied, because they don't want to rupture the relationship with the U.S. over one bad president. The same thing happened with Bush II.
This is actually our second bad president (in recent memory). We'll see if that makes a difference.
Just electing Obama healed a lot of rifts. I think the thing in the long-term is the effect on foreign relations when a generation whose perspective of America is a nation that alternates between electing sane and insane leaders (reflecting a deep, deep rot across the nation) comes into power.
A lot of our allies hands are tied, because they don't want to rupture the relationship with the U.S. over one bad president. The same thing happened with Bush II.
This is actually our second bad president (in recent memory). We'll see if that makes a difference.
Just electing Obama healed a lot of rifts. I think the thing in the long-term is the effect on foreign relations when a generation whose perspective of America is a nation that alternates between electing sane and insane leaders (reflecting a deep, deep rot across the nation) comes into power.
We were also the target of a foreign powers electioneering and only elected this guy clearly due to the technicalities of our system (the popular vote was still super close for Bush).
The world is clearly expecting this to be over by 2021 and I do not want to imagine the fallout if it's not.
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Wow, this is fucking nuts. A sundown clause in NAFTA as a precondition for meeting an ally? That. is. nuts.
Trump is really cheesed off about NAFTA because he doesn't understand trade but is really really obsessed with it. As befits the ignorant angry old man who watches nothing but right-wing media that he is.
They were talking on NPR about how absolutely no one is calling for tariffs on cars, especially given how many manufacturing plants we have in the US. All it would do (if they could even define what an imported car is) would be to hurt the US.
It would also be very damaging to Mexico and Canada.
Long-term possibly not as much. American cars and trucks are very popular in Canada. Should tariffs be reciprocated the demand for those vehicles will still exist and I'm sure Japan and Europe would be happy to eat up that market share.
Wow, this is fucking nuts. A sundown clause in NAFTA as a precondition for meeting an ally? That. is. nuts.
These people thrive on making their FNC obsessed supporters believe the US is THE exceptional nation and that all other nations poor or rich are mooches dragging their country down. They can't be allowed to believe in mutually beneficial or give-and-take agreements. What's good for them has to be bad for us and though some of these idiot talking heads actually believe this horseshit the idea that the US naturally lost share in a bunch of markets over the last 40 years (while the rich secured their future) is a threat to their power they cannot abide.
Wow, this is fucking nuts. A sundown clause in NAFTA as a precondition for meeting an ally? That. is. nuts.
These people thrive on making their FNC obsessed supporters believe the US is THE exceptional nation and that all other nations poor or rich are mooches dragging their country down. They can't be allowed to believe in mutually beneficial or give-and-take agreements. What's good for them has to be bad for us and though some of these idiot talking heads actually believe this horseshit the idea that the US naturally lost share in a bunch of markets over the last 40 years (while the rich secured their future) is a threat to their power they cannot abide.
Trump's has transposed domestic American politics onto the global stage, which is something both parties have tried very hard not to do (excepting when they need to kick some Third World nation with a shitty military around). Europeans are liberals, Russians are manly conservatives, and everybody else are dirty minorities mooching off the white man.
It's working great for the white lumpen proletariat as rhetoric. For everyone else, it's been like watching Wiley Coyote run across the air for nearly a year, sure that he's going to look down at any moment but somehow he keeps going...
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Coming out of the G6+1 meeting is I guess a shift from Auto (which still isn't resolved) to Canada's dairy supply management system. The US wants it gone, obviously.
It's a different beast than Auto since it's unique to Canada, and so I imagine an issue that's unlikely to garner as much support from Mexico as an area in which we both get screwed by the US, but it's also a sector we've supported for ages and has lasted through original NAFTA, so we'll see how this plays out. Trump has seen the 270% tariffs number* and is running with it.
* We levy tariffs of 270% on milk, 245% on cheese and 298% on butter, as the article notes.
I would like to continue to run 300% tariffs on American milk as the stuff is just disgusting, full of hormones and shit. It is nice being certain that all the milk I drink is actually potable.
I would like to continue to run 300% tariffs on American milk as the stuff is just disgusting, full of hormones and shit. It is nice being certain that all the milk I drink is actually potable.
Independently of Trump's idiocy, it would be a good idea to stop agricultural import from the US on health ground alone. Also, because it's based on exploiting workers.
I would like to continue to run 300% tariffs on American milk as the stuff is just disgusting, full of hormones and shit. It is nice being certain that all the milk I drink is actually potable.
Independently of Trump's idiocy, it would be a good idea to stop agricultural import from the US on health ground alone. Also, because it's based on exploiting workers.
I mean, sure, if you never want fresh food most of the year.
I would like to continue to run 300% tariffs on American milk as the stuff is just disgusting, full of hormones and shit. It is nice being certain that all the milk I drink is actually potable.
Independently of Trump's idiocy, it would be a good idea to stop agricultural import from the US on health ground alone. Also, because it's based on exploiting workers.
I mean, sure, if you never want fresh food most of the year.
Not sure I would call it actually fresh, plus we can still import from trustworthy countries like Mexico and China.
My biggest concern with american dairy isn't the relative quality but rather that it's subsidized to a ridiculous degree; according to one report i read it was somewhere around 73% which if i understand it (good chance I don't) means that farmers pay less then a third of production costs.
Compare that to the canadian farmers who pay way more and get paid way more as a result.
The whole canadian dairy tarrifs seems to be like the US sugar ones. Trying to maintain a commodity with locally available production in a climate barely able to sustain it. Wisconsin has more cows than canada does. Without tariffs the local dairy production in canda likely shuts down almost over night as they simply can't be competitive.
Yeah, this assessment of the situation is bad because it ignores the extent to which the industries it is competing with are also protected by their governments. As pointed out above and in other threads this touches on, Trump's position is bullshit because he doesn't know and refuses to acknowledge that the US government is subsidizing their dairy industry just like Canada is. They are just doing it differently.
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I cannot help but feel that termination of NAFTA is inevitable
It would also be very damaging to Mexico and Canada.
If the US does this, there would inevitably be reciprocal tariffs. It'd be political suicide to roll over and meekly abide by tariffs like that.
Daniel Dale is a reporter for the Toronto Star.
So, because talks have stalled, the response is to bully the other people. Bold move, cotton - let's see how it plays out.
That has been Trump's business strategy for decades.
It gives legal grounds to sue, I'd imagine, given that they're using "national security" in order to push the tariffs unilaterally.
The other thing that happened with Bush II is that allies felt more empowered to be critical of the U.S. when he was re-elected. Let's hope the same thing doesn't happen here.
This is actually our second bad president (in recent memory). We'll see if that makes a difference.
Just electing Obama healed a lot of rifts. I think the thing in the long-term is the effect on foreign relations when a generation whose perspective of America is a nation that alternates between electing sane and insane leaders (reflecting a deep, deep rot across the nation) comes into power.
We were also the target of a foreign powers electioneering and only elected this guy clearly due to the technicalities of our system (the popular vote was still super close for Bush).
The world is clearly expecting this to be over by 2021 and I do not want to imagine the fallout if it's not.
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Wow, this is fucking nuts. A sundown clause in NAFTA as a precondition for meeting an ally? That. is. nuts.
Trump is really cheesed off about NAFTA because he doesn't understand trade but is really really obsessed with it. As befits the ignorant angry old man who watches nothing but right-wing media that he is.
Already seeing Canadian thoughtpieces that Canada should just walk.
... They should
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Nah. Just keep talking. Don't agree to anything Trump wants, but keep talking.
Even if we stop talking I believe NAFTA still applies on the US side.
Although the politics of a vote on repealing NAFTA would be nasty as fuck for both parties.
A sundown clause would prevent Trump from making policy decisions after lunch, and probably be a good thing.
Maybe Trudreau misunderstood Pence's meaning?
Long-term possibly not as much. American cars and trucks are very popular in Canada. Should tariffs be reciprocated the demand for those vehicles will still exist and I'm sure Japan and Europe would be happy to eat up that market share.
These people thrive on making their FNC obsessed supporters believe the US is THE exceptional nation and that all other nations poor or rich are mooches dragging their country down. They can't be allowed to believe in mutually beneficial or give-and-take agreements. What's good for them has to be bad for us and though some of these idiot talking heads actually believe this horseshit the idea that the US naturally lost share in a bunch of markets over the last 40 years (while the rich secured their future) is a threat to their power they cannot abide.
Trump's has transposed domestic American politics onto the global stage, which is something both parties have tried very hard not to do (excepting when they need to kick some Third World nation with a shitty military around). Europeans are liberals, Russians are manly conservatives, and everybody else are dirty minorities mooching off the white man.
It's working great for the white lumpen proletariat as rhetoric. For everyone else, it's been like watching Wiley Coyote run across the air for nearly a year, sure that he's going to look down at any moment but somehow he keeps going...
It's a different beast than Auto since it's unique to Canada, and so I imagine an issue that's unlikely to garner as much support from Mexico as an area in which we both get screwed by the US, but it's also a sector we've supported for ages and has lasted through original NAFTA, so we'll see how this plays out. Trump has seen the 270% tariffs number* and is running with it.
* We levy tariffs of 270% on milk, 245% on cheese and 298% on butter, as the article notes.
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The Americans throwing moody about it might keep it around for a bit longer, though.
I mean, sure, if you never want fresh food most of the year.
Cheese though, there is some damn good cheese and I'm tired of spending $8lb for just regular old Cheddar.
Not sure I would call it actually fresh, plus we can still import from trustworthy countries like Mexico and China.
Oooh genuine American processed cheese!
Compare that to the canadian farmers who pay way more and get paid way more as a result.
Tillamook (Sp?) cheese is pretty dang good imo.