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[Michael Cohen thread] SDNY cases against Cohen, Stormy Daniels case, bribes through Cohen

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    I don't see how he can be compelled to testify if all penalty has been removed

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I don't see how he can be compelled to testify if all penalty has been removed

    They may not have to, simply wait for Trump to tweet about events in court and he'll answer questions for them.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I don't see how he can be compelled to testify if all penalty has been removed

    He can be compelled to testify because the penalty has been removed. He could no longer use the 5th amendment to stay silent.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I don't see how he can be compelled to testify if all penalty has been removed

    No 5th amendment protection because he can no longer self incriminate. He can be held in contempt, and there's two types of contempt, one of which is theoretically not pardonable.

    I say theoretically because like so much bullsht this administration it's uncharted territory and probably depends on the good faith participation of those involved, and we probably haven't hit bedrock with this hole yet.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Is Cohen surrendering today?

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular

    Hevach wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I don't see how he can be compelled to testify if all penalty has been removed

    No 5th amendment protection because he can no longer self incriminate. He can be held in contempt, and there's two types of contempt, one of which is theoretically not pardonable.

    I say theoretically because like so much bullsht this administration it's uncharted territory and probably depends on the good faith participation of those involved, and we probably haven't hit bedrock with this hole yet.

    this is the problem though. Who will enforce the possible penalty against the gop? The gop in congress, or the gop majority supreme court?

    If (and god above I hope it never gets farther than 'if') trump up and pardons the whole lot, there is no one to do anything about it.

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Is Cohen surrendering today?

    I don’t think so, today is the deadline for him to turn over all the documents seized during the raids on his homes, and today is also the day the judge will decide whether or not to revoke bail for Manafort.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    And Cohen is trying to get the courts to gag Avenatti:
    President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen filed for a restraining order late Thursday against Stormy Daniels' lawyer, Michael Avenatti, to prevent him from speaking to the press about the adult film star's lawsuit.

    "Avenatti's actions are mainly driven by his seemingly unquenchable thirst for publicity," the filing said, alleging that Avenatti "routinely denigrates" Cohen.
    Avenatti's "publicity tour," the filing said, is "likely to result in Mr. Cohen being deprived of his right to a fair trial, and threatens to turn what should be a solemn federal court proceeding into a media circus."

    It is rich to see Cohen trying to pull the "sanctity of the legal system" gooseshit.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    CNN is reporting this morning that Cohen is now open to cooperating with investigators to alleviate the pressure on his family and himself.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    And another domino hopefully falls

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    Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    And another domino hopefully falls

    This is a doozy though. What people know is always an open question but Cohen Knows where many bodies are buried.

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    CantideCantide Registered User regular
    Cohen has officially reached "coffee boy" status:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392463-trump-says-cohen-is-no-longer-his-lawyer
    President Trump on Friday said Michael Cohen, his longtime personal attorney, is no longer serving as his lawyer.

    “I haven’t spoken to Michael in a long time,” the president told reporters outside of the White House.

    “No, he’s not my lawyer anymore, but I always liked Michael. And he’s a good person,” Trump added.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    "I think I maybe met him once?"

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    “I haven’t spoken to Michael in a long time,” the president told reporters outside of the White House.

    To be fair, the weekend of March 2 seems like a long time ago.
    "U calling?" Davidson texted.

    "With flotus. Give me a minute," Cohen replied.

    Press reports from that date indicate both Cohen and Melania Trump were at Mar-a-Lago.

    Trump was in Mar-a-Lago that weekend for an RNC fundraiser.
    http://postonpolitics.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/02/03/mar-a-lago-make-up-trump-to-headline-march-3-fundraiser/

    Of which Cohen is a deputy finance chair. But I guess there'd be no reason the President and personal aquaintence of an RNC finance guy to talk to that guy about or during an RNC fundraiser hosted by his own club at which he is the keynote speaker.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    To be fair, March feels like eight months ago.

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    Oh. Forest for trees moment.

    He's also your fucking co-defendant in an active lawsuit about work he did for you, and arbitration proceedings he is currently conducting on your behalf.

    I guess I didn't really need to go digging for receipts on that particular lie...

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    To be fair, March feels like eight months ago.

    I thought we were still on day one of infrastructure week?

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    To be fair, March feels like eight months ago.

    I thought we were still on day one of infrastructure week?

    We Have Always Been At Week With Infrastructure.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    And Cohen is trying to get the courts to gag Avenatti:
    President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen filed for a restraining order late Thursday against Stormy Daniels' lawyer, Michael Avenatti, to prevent him from speaking to the press about the adult film star's lawsuit.

    "Avenatti's actions are mainly driven by his seemingly unquenchable thirst for publicity," the filing said, alleging that Avenatti "routinely denigrates" Cohen.
    Avenatti's "publicity tour," the filing said, is "likely to result in Mr. Cohen being deprived of his right to a fair trial, and threatens to turn what should be a solemn federal court proceeding into a media circus."

    It is rich to see Cohen trying to pull the "sanctity of the legal system" gooseshit.

    And follow-up!


    Well, that was quick. Judge Otero denied Michael Cohen's request for an ex parte — meaning, with only one party — gag order to be imposed on Michael Avenatti. Instead, the judge handles it as a normal motion, setting Avenatti's opposition to be due June 25.

    Chris Geidner is a legal editor for BuzzFeed.

    The judge has already shown little patience for ex parte (that is, single party) orders, so it's no surprise that he's giving Avenatti a chance to respond. As for what that response might entail:


    The motion for a gag order is a complete joke and baseless. Mr. Cohen and Brent Blakely can’t deal with the truth, the facts, and the law, so they have to resort to unethical, meritless motions. This must be their birthday present to Mr. Trump. #Basta

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    “Because it’s devastating to my case”

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    And Avenatti is tweeting about yet more documents coming out from Cohen:


    See below - just filed in the search warrant case. The second and third bullets could pose a huge problem for Mr. Cohen and ultimately Mr. Trump (especially the third bullet)!!BTW, so much for encryption protection! #Basta

    Michael Avenatti is a large part of why this thread exists.

    The haul includes:

    • 2 Blackberrys that they're still extracting from
    • 16 pages of shredded material
    • 731 pages of encrypted messages from WhatsApp and Signal

    No word on any partridges or pear trees.

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    I am very, very interested at the prospect of 700+ pages of communication that these assholes had thought was encrypted.

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    I am very, very interested at the prospect of 700+ pages of communication that these assholes had thought was encrypted.

    Especially Signal which exists like exclusively to make sure nobody can see your messages.

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    EvilOtakuEvilOtaku Registered User regular
    Those apps offer End-to-End Encryption which doesn't mean shit if you can get access to either end of the communication.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    EvilOtaku wrote: »
    Those apps offer End-to-End Encryption which doesn't mean shit if you can get access to either end of the communication.

    Wasn't one of these mooks also caching it to iCloud, which is done in plain text?

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    EvilOtaku wrote: »
    Those apps offer End-to-End Encryption which doesn't mean shit if you can get access to either end of the communication.

    Wasn't one of these mooks also caching it to iCloud, which is done in plain text?

    That was Manafort I believe, and thus a separate thread.

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    TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    It's like that GOP Gov that got caught having an affair cause his sexts went to his wife's iPad only with criminal stuff and the FBI.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Given what they'll say in regular email, social media, or on camera, you gotta expect the encrypted stuff to be damning

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/19/politics/michael-cohen-criminal-lawyer-guy-petrillo/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Michael Cohen has stated he's willing to give evidence against Trump if that's what prosecutors want. He's also hired a criminal lawyer for pending indictments against him.

    Should work now.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Your link doesn't work?

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/19/politics/michael-cohen-criminal-lawyer-guy-petrillo/index.html

    Michael Cohen has stated he's willing to give evidence against Trump if that's what prosecutors want. He's also hired a criminal lawyer for pending indictments against him.

    I have a feeling some people are going to hear that and just go "Well, obviously he'll just say whatever the prosecutors want him to say, whether it's true or not."

    And I also have a feeling those same people think torture works just fine.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/michael-cohen-wants-trump-to-pay-his-legal-fees-1529447136
    Mr. Cohen has frequently told associates in recent months he is frustrated that the president hasn’t offered to pay his legal fees, which he has said are “bankrupting” him, according to one of the people. He has said he feels that Mr. Trump owes him after his years of loyalty to the former real-estate developer, whom he served for nearly a decade at the Trump Organization.

    The White House didn’t respond to a request for comment, and there has been no indication Mr. Trump is planning to pay for his former longtime lawyer’s legal fees.
    These people really do not understand Trump despite working for him for decades.

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    RehabRehab Registered User regular
    When they say that he's hired a criminal lawyer I believe that to mean that they hired a criminal lawyer.

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    jothkijothki Registered User regular
    I take it that most of the money that all of those companies supposedly gave to him and him alone isn't actually available for his personal use, for some reason.

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri5yNT7VxWg

    Trying to understand the events involving President Trump, Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels​ and the potential impact on the presidency​?​ ​WSJ’s Michael Rothfeld and Joe Palazzolo are here to focus on what’s important: the money trail. Photo: Getty Images

    The WSJ is a conservative financial newspaper.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    I take it that most of the money that all of those companies supposedly gave to him and him alone isn't actually available for his personal use, for some reason.

    Yeah that does kind of poke holes in the theory he was flat out grifting, because he made a shit ton of money that suddenly isn't there? I wonder where it went? Don't worry Micheal I'm sure the SDNY knows.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/michael-cohen-wants-trump-to-pay-his-legal-fees-1529447136
    Mr. Cohen has frequently told associates in recent months he is frustrated that the president hasn’t offered to pay his legal fees, which he has said are “bankrupting” him, according to one of the people. He has said he feels that Mr. Trump owes him after his years of loyalty to the former real-estate developer, whom he served for nearly a decade at the Trump Organization.

    The White House didn’t respond to a request for comment, and there has been no indication Mr. Trump is planning to pay for his former longtime lawyer’s legal fees.
    These people really do not understand Trump despite working for him for decades.

    "He's not going to stab ME in the back, because he actually likes/respects me, unlike those other chumps."

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Michael Cohens new lawyer is a former SDNY prosecutor. That's what people do when they're expecting to negotiate right? Hire prosecutors to navigate the deal?

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    jothki wrote: »
    I take it that most of the money that all of those companies supposedly gave to him and him alone isn't actually available for his personal use, for some reason.

    Yeah that does kind of poke holes in the theory he was flat out grifting, because he made a shit ton of money that suddenly isn't there? I wonder where it went? Don't worry Micheal I'm sure the SDNY knows.

    Or like all the other morons associated with the Trump organization he's swimming in debt and criminal lawyers don't take IOUs

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    jothki wrote: »
    I take it that most of the money that all of those companies supposedly gave to him and him alone isn't actually available for his personal use, for some reason.

    Yeah that does kind of poke holes in the theory he was flat out grifting, because he made a shit ton of money that suddenly isn't there? I wonder where it went? Don't worry Micheal I'm sure the SDNY knows.

    Or like all the other morons associated with the Trump organization he's swimming in debt and criminal lawyers don't take IOUs

    Cohen wasn't like building shit though, like Jared tried to save a high rise and failed miserably. Cohen took bribe money and paid off mistresses. There is no reason he should be in as dire financial straits as he's claiming if he'd been paid the amounts he claims he was paid to "advise" the president.

    Like this is running a casino into debt bad money management skills.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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