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[World of Darkness] V:TM 5E, Tremere still bottom tier.

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  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    august wrote: »
    But they changed what he wrote, which sounds weird.
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Ardent wrote: »
    I mean, it's required to credit the author if you're going to use their work. White Wolf has the license to the work via work-for-hire. Nothing about this strikes me as unusual, except they apparently didn't bother to let Gaiman know.

    I mean the second thing.
    One of the things I think Holden is just beginning to learn which most professional writers tend to know is that the client will frequently want to change what you wrote to better suit their needs.

    It happens. A lot. It may seem pretentious to edit Neil Gaiman, but if they needed to in order to jive with the new world they're building, they're within their rights.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Rogue The GardenRegistered User regular
    Ardent wrote: »
    august wrote: »
    But they changed what he wrote, which sounds weird.
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Ardent wrote: »
    I mean, it's required to credit the author if you're going to use their work. White Wolf has the license to the work via work-for-hire. Nothing about this strikes me as unusual, except they apparently didn't bother to let Gaiman know.

    I mean the second thing.
    One of the things I think Holden is just beginning to learn which most professional writers tend to know is that the client will frequently want to change what you wrote to better suit their needs.

    It happens. A lot. It may seem pretentious to edit Neil Gaiman, but if they needed to in order to jive with the new world they're building, they're within their rights.

    Talking about the manipulation rolling, not Gaiman.

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    Well, good morning. Welcome to the new scenario. What should we do today?
  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Ardent wrote: »
    august wrote: »
    But they changed what he wrote, which sounds weird.
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Ardent wrote: »
    I mean, it's required to credit the author if you're going to use their work. White Wolf has the license to the work via work-for-hire. Nothing about this strikes me as unusual, except they apparently didn't bother to let Gaiman know.

    I mean the second thing.
    One of the things I think Holden is just beginning to learn which most professional writers tend to know is that the client will frequently want to change what you wrote to better suit their needs.

    It happens. A lot. It may seem pretentious to edit Neil Gaiman, but if they needed to in order to jive with the new world they're building, they're within their rights.

    Talking about the manipulation rolling, not Gaiman.
    Ah. Carry on.

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  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    Apologies for the double post but I've gotten my hands on V5 and browsed. I just wanted to say that I actually think the art direction was very good. It's mixed media which I think makes some people's OCD flare up, but the photography is all very good.

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  • Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    edited August 5
    Also, bear in mind, it 's not even a complete product - not enough to fully play either sabbat or cammies. Just stick to old school and be done with.

    Jeep-Eep on
  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Rogue The GardenRegistered User regular
    Ardent wrote: »
    Apologies for the double post but I've gotten my hands on V5 and browsed. I just wanted to say that I actually think the art direction was very good. It's mixed media which I think makes some people's OCD flare up, but the photography is all very good.

    If 4e was any indication, I thought it looked sharp. I dug the photography a lot.

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    Well, good morning. Welcome to the new scenario. What should we do today?
  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Never do what your enemy expects you to do! Registered User regular
    edited August 5
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »

    It's okay. WW is putting out a supplement that's "a series of essays about caring for each other at the table, one that will cover issues of consent and before- and after-care for players who may be dealing with subjects that they find troubling." so that'll fix everything.

    What? Include that stuff in the core book? We wouldn't have room for the sexual coercion rules then!

    Undead Scottsman on
  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    I mean, how much spoiler do you want from V5?
    You don't need rules for the Sabbat because they're a non-factor from a story perspective (they've literally left the western world in order to fight the Gehenna War). The game assumes you'll be playing Camarilla by default, presents Anarchs as the only other significant principality-holding vampires, and it does actually explain the social (i.e. feudal) system completely enough to set up the basic struggle: getting enough blood.

    So as you can see, you're provided with everything you need to play the default intended game. A game, that I will note, takes a lot of its cues from the version of Vampire played by MET.

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  • Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    edited August 6
    It's okay. WW is putting out a supplement that's "a series of essays about caring for each other at the table, one that will cover issues of consent and before- and after-care for players who may be dealing with subjects that they find troubling." so that'll fix everything.

    What? Include that stuff in the core book? We wouldn't have room for the sexual coercion rules then!

    This disjointedness, and things like that stray 'cuckold' remaining in the book are both evidence that someone higher in the food chain at Paradox finally came to their senses, panicked and ordered heavy editing in an attempt to try and prevent further damage to the value of their expensive acquisition. I think it may also be connected to the fact that the current para CEO is moving onto the board; there may be changes in policy toward white wolf coming, as it was his baby and he was caping for it the whole time, presumably protecting it.

    While he's still in chain of command, I wonder if the new lady will be willing to be more aggressive in reminding them who's in control, and who they exist to make money for.

    Jeep-Eep on
  • AssuranAssuran Is swinging on the Spiral Registered User regular
    So, I own V5 after giving in at GenCon after spending 15 minutes at their booth talking to them and basically trying to convince myself it wasn't going to be bad.

    I opened it up today and while I haven't read the book in its entirety, I have thumbed through enough to know this edition is probably not for me.
    There are only 5 clans left in the Camarilla, as the Brujah and Gangrel are out. To start, you get to choose from the original 7 plus Caitiff and Thin Blood. This means independents and the Sabbat are probably splat book material. Loosing choices is always a feels bad moment.

    Discipline wise, Dementation is out again for the Malkavians. Or, should I say the entire Dementation discipline is now a single level 2 power of Dominate. Thaumaturgy is renamed Blood Sorcery and merged with Quietus and there's a new discipline called Thin Blood Alchemy which is really complicated, but basically boils down to using your blood to create formulas to do stuff, including mimicking other disciplines.

    Character creation is a lot different.

    The basic workout is Core Concept > Clan and Sire > Attributes > Skills > Disciplines > Predator Type > Advantages > Convictions and Touchstones > Sea of Time (Generation).

    Generation is tied up with Blood Potency as well. As an example, we'll describe picking your Attributes. The new attributes are Charisma (social), Manipulation (social), Composure (social), Strength (physical), Dexterity (Physical), Stamina (Physical), Intelligence (Mental), Wits (Mental), and Resolve (Mental). 2 more attributes exist as a combination of those, Health is Stamina +3, and Willpower is Composure plus Resolve.

    The way it works is pick 1 attribute and put 4 dots into it, take 3 attributes and put 3 dots into them, take 4 attributes and put 2 dots into them, and finally 1attribute will have 1 dot. So, if I created a Surgeon it might look like Int 4, Dex 3, Wits 3, Resolve 3, Str 2, Stam 2, Manip 2, Comp 2, Cha 1, with 5 health and 5 willpower.

    Skills are a package deal as well, and you choose between a package of Jack of All Trades, Balanced, and Specialist.

    All in all, it feels like less options than before.

    And yes, it does feel like the book was written specifically to appeal to those who like pushing the boundaries.

    Like I said, I haven't read the whole thing, but I'm just not feeling the changes I've read as of yet. Maybe I'll like it once I read through it, but my initial reaction is that I regret buying it.

  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    It's okay. WW is putting out a supplement that's "a series of essays about caring for each other at the table, one that will cover issues of consent and before- and after-care for players who may be dealing with subjects that they find troubling." so that'll fix everything.

    What? Include that stuff in the core book? We wouldn't have room for the sexual coercion rules then!

    This disjointedness, and things like that stray 'cuckold' remaining in the book are both evidence that someone higher in the food chain at Paradox finally came to their senses, panicked and ordered heavy editing in an attempt to try and prevent further damage to the value of their expensive acquisition. I think it may also be connected to the fact that the current para CEO is moving onto the board; there may be changes in policy toward white wolf coming, as it was his baby and he was caping for it the whole time, presumably protecting it.

    While he's still in chain of command, I wonder if the new lady will be willing to be more aggressive in reminding them who's in control, and who they exist to make money for.
    I don't think you understand corporate board structure and you definitely don't get why this change probably just means more protection of the personally-prized asset rather than less. Remember, White Wolf is functionally separate from Paradox. Meaning that they answer to the board but not necessarily to Paradox' CEO.

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  • Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    edited August 7
    Possibly someone not him on that board had that hissy then; or possibly it was Frederik himself that had that attack of common sense and ordered them to clean up their mess. It still has the odor of something handed down from above and sloppily implemented in a hurry.

    Jeep-Eep on
  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    edited August 7
    Jeep-Eep wrote: »
    Possibly someone not him on that board had that hissy then; or possibly it was Frederik himself that had that attack of common sense and ordered them to clean up their mess. It still has the odor of something handed down from above and sloppily implemented in a hurry.
    Ebba Ljungerud comes from a gaming development background and is focused on developing the company's existing IPs and franchises for maximum returns, which is what she's done with a subsidiary's gambling enterprise.

    I think the board may have seen Wester's comments about not wanting to release bad (video) games and asked whether he'd be more comfortable simply managing the board as executive chairman. The answer is apparently "yes," and it's important to note that while a chairman reports to the CEO, the CEO reports to an executive chairman. Meaning Wester is still very much in control of Paradox.

    Think of an executive chairman as exactly like a CEO except they're also in charge of the CEO. The distinction is the CEO is responsible for day-to-day while an EC typically worries more about "big picture" stuff like strategic partnerships and business exploration.

    It's the role Larry Page took at Google, as an example.

    Ardent on
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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Rogue The GardenRegistered User regular
    Well, here's a thing.


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    Our 'weird shit' ST in Tampa LOVED Wraith.

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    Well, good morning. Welcome to the new scenario. What should we do today?
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