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[Star Trek] Ship Noises - Spoiler Discovery talk
wandering
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Some people watch Star Trek for its optimistic view of the future, or social commentary, or charismatic characters, or its fun sense of adventure and discovery.
But the best thing about Star Trek is, of course, the soothing spaceship noises.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7P0q7rdBZc
https://youtu.be/UKBvaOLDem0
https://youtu.be/nQWW6ikPUq0
https://youtu.be/MuMsb4nzmis
https://youtu.be/LTdpDR2sEnM
https://youtu.be/HlmPJ8LTYe4
https://youtu.be/BkwnAIswi-w
But the best thing about Star Trek is, of course, the soothing spaceship noises.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7P0q7rdBZchttps://youtu.be/UKBvaOLDem0https://youtu.be/nQWW6ikPUq0https://youtu.be/MuMsb4nzmishttps://youtu.be/LTdpDR2sEnMhttps://youtu.be/HlmPJ8LTYe4https://youtu.be/BkwnAIswi-w So It Goes on
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That he did.
I think you still got it wrong
I don't even know if it's a good writing decision tbh! It seems wantonly cruel to me and a real waste of an opportunity to redeem Warf as a father. Although with season 7 looming in the distance I suppose they needed to get things in order for the end of the show.
i believe that occurred because of circumstances outside the writers' room
Which, IMO, did not turn out to be worth it.
Eh, she got 4 seasons on Becker. It's weird to think about it now, but people did actually care about that show at the time.
It is intriguing how sci fi shows like ds9 live on so strongly in our memories while shows like Becker or HIMYM fade so quickly from view.
She's a big Ted Danson fan though and, really, how can you blame her am I right?
IIRC, she left because of a hostile work environment and sexual harassment from some of the producers/executives.
wait what? source cause I'd love to read that. I always thought she left strictly due to landing the deal on Becker
I've done a little Google'ing, here's the first thing that really stands out, apparently a snippet from one of the books about the history of Star Trek (which I haven't personally read);
"The problems with my leaving were with Rick Berman. In my opinion, he's just very misogynistic. He'd comment on your bra size not being voluptuous. His secretary had a 36C or something like that, and he would say something about 'Well, you’re just, like, flat. Look at Christine over there. She has the perfect breasts right there.' That’s the kind of conversation he would have in front of you. I had to have fittings for Dax to have larger breasts. I think it was double-D or something. I went to see a woman who fits bras for women who need mastectomies; I had to have that fitting. And then I had to go into his office. Michael Piller didn't care about those things, so he wasn’t there when you were having all of these crazy fittings with Rick Berman criticizing your hair or how big your breasts were or weren't. That stuff was so intense, especially the first couple of years."
"Basically he was trying to bully me into saying yes [to another]. He was convinced that my cards were going to fold and I was going to sign up. He had [another] producer come up to me and say, 'If you weren't here, you know you’d be working at Kmart.' I was, like, 'What the hell are you talking about? I had a career before this. Why the hell would I be working at Kmart? Who are you?' Just to be jerky, he'd call me in my trailer: 'Have you been thinking about it yet? Are you going to sign?' Like, right before I had a scene. It was that kind of thing. Rick Berman said I was hardballing him, and I was, like, 'I'm not. I just want to have a conversation. You're giving me a take-it-or-leave-it offer and I’m not okay with that.' So I finally did have a conversation with him and asked to cut down my number of episodes or just let me out."
So you know, not Weinstein, but Berman and Rodenberry were cut from the same very gross cloth.
I hate shit like that so much but it's especially bullshit after TNG finally managed to turn Troi from a sex object to a person. Like hi half the point of Trek is "_x are people, too!"
Didn't he work on Enterprise, too? I wonder if Jolene Blalock had to deal with that, too, because she has discussed being made to wear "enhancements" for her uniform in the past. Not to mention Seven's catsuit on Voyager.
https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/525q85/terry_farrells_departure_has_anybody_else_heard/
McFadden was in town for a con a couple of years ago and was very frank about some of the bullshit that went on behind the scenes in terms of harassment, attempts to shoehorn any of the woman characters in creepy ways, etc.
I'm kinda surprised Berman hasn't gotten the metoo treatment, given the number of people who are already enthusiastically on the record about his behaviour..
But my friend has basically all of the Star Trek, and we watched the first episode of the original show ("The Man Trap", with the shapeshifter) a while ago. My god, it is great. I wish there was a youtube clip of Shatner saying "The Creature. It Kills. It Needs Salt to Live" because I couldn't stop laughing for five minutes.
edit - man why can't we have reasonable public domain laws, the original show should be freely watchable at this point
TOS is about half good-to-brilliant, half wtf is this shit? Shatner is a termite posing as an actor - he chews every scene he's in.
Also, consider that the 60s was still coming off the 50s, and television was still something of a novelty, with lots of stories - and actors - from the stage. A different time, and a different kind of acting.
I seem to recall an interview with Shatner explaining some of it, thus (quote reconstructed from memory):
"I... wanted the show to succeed, so badly, that I put. Everything. I. Had. ... intotherole."
The repeated use of cutting one's hand in ritual alone would disqualify me.
...I mean I'd suck at the whole "warrior" angle too, but I feel like the hand cutting is the stand-out thing.
Here you go, everyone pass this blade around and cut yourselves with it. Nothing could go wrong.
Given that this was a character who was always (like, from the pilot episode) going on about her previous lives and how she was a symbiote who had multiple hosts have you got that yet, it would have felt more weird if she'd died, the Dax symbiote had been shipped off to get implanted in someone else, and never been seen again.
I remember one commentary or something where Michael Dorn said he thought Jadzia should have died on the away mission with Worf, with Worf choosing the mission over saving her life.
And Ezri was the best response to having to replace a main character that you weren't originally planning to. The mechanism's been established for the entire series, not using it when you have the opportunity would be absurd. She comes off as Jadzia-lite at first because that's all we know about her, but she does establish herself as time goes on.
I think if they'd known going in that they'd change Daxes during the series, they'd have done things differently. My approach would have been to:
a) Kill Jadzia a season earlier, so they can establish a new character without having to pull a lot of attention from the climax of the series-long arcs.
b) Introduce Ezri Tigan earlier than that as a recurring character (probably have her counselling Miles on his trauma of the week), and establish her as one of the (majority of) Trills who don't want or expect to be joined. That way, when she volunteers to save the Dax symbiote, we'd see the personality change and know that's it's an actual sacrifice on her part; it's glossed over on the show because it's showing the fallout of her being implanted without any of the usual training, but Ezri Tigan sacrificed who she was to save another.