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  • peter64peter64 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Bull, why would the BCS do that for USC. I understand that is it some convoluted system for choosing who plays who but it is not based around making USC look good.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2008
    Illinois had a great season, and I think they'll be better next year. When people were talking about Illinois being great, keep in mind that's in comparison to winning like four games over the last four years or something. I mean, people were talking about them maybe going over .500 and getting into a decent bowl, and that would probably have been enough.

    Tradition is why Illinois was in the Rose Bowl, and not much else. But they're a young team, and they have a great recruiter, so I think it's going to be a pretty good run for Illinois. Juice Williams showed some major signs of improvement over the last few games (discounting the Rose Bowl, but USC is a bit ahead of anyone they've faced this year) and will probably be better, so I dunno. It's just nice to have an Illinois team that isn't going to automatically lose eight games.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    peter64 wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    peter64 wrote: »
    I lived in Champaign and then I moved to Pasadena. I am not surprised at all. USC has so much more going for it then IL. The Illini were overrated because this was the first year in a long time they were not slaughtered the whole season.

    No they were not overrated. Nobody with a brain thought at all they had a chance of winning this game.

    No I went home for the summer and everyone is screaming how good the Illini are and how they are going to win in socal. One headline read "orange county" in reference to apparently how much socal loves the Illini. All that was on the local channels who crap about the Illini. True they are biased in Champaign they really did act like they were going to win. Also the fact they are in the Rose Bowl shows how they were overacted. They never deserved to go and Ohio is going to lose as well. The whole Big Ten is overrated

    You don't understand the BCS at all. If they meant for it to be an even matchup, Illinois wouldn't have been a 2-TD underdog. This a game to pad USC's stats and make them look the way that they look.

    Maybe Champaign thought they stood a chance, but nobody else did including the BCS. You don't skip over 4 better teams (Missouri, Kansas, Florida, and ASU) because you think it's a good matchup.

    They got in because the Rose Bowl is obsessed with tradition. Man, are you obsessed with conspiracy theories though.

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  • peter64peter64 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I agree it is great the the Illini finally can have a team to be proud of. I just think it is silly how the season they do pretty well they go nuts over it.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    peter64 wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    peter64 wrote: »
    I lived in Champaign and then I moved to Pasadena. I am not surprised at all. USC has so much more going for it then IL. The Illini were overrated because this was the first year in a long time they were not slaughtered the whole season.

    No they were not overrated. Nobody with a brain thought at all they had a chance of winning this game.

    No I went home for the summer and everyone is screaming how good the Illini are and how they are going to win in socal. One headline read "orange county" in reference to apparently how much socal loves the Illini. All that was on the local channels who crap about the Illini. True they are biased in Champaign they really did act like they were going to win. Also the fact they are in the Rose Bowl shows how they were overacted. They never deserved to go and Ohio is going to lose as well. The whole Big Ten is overrated

    You don't understand the BCS at all. If they meant for it to be an even matchup, Illinois wouldn't have been a 2-TD underdog. This a game to pad USC's stats and make them look the way that they look.

    Maybe Champaign thought they stood a chance, but nobody else did including the BCS. You don't skip over 4 better teams (Missouri, Kansas, Florida, and ASU) because you think it's a good matchup.

    They got in because the Rose Bowl is obsessed with tradition. Man, are you obsessed with conspiracy theories though.

    And what tradition would that be? Think hard, Geebs, and be sure to check your facts before answering.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2008
    Well, I mean the only bad loss they have is to Iowa. Any season where you go beat the number one team at home and have a chance to beat teams like Missouri and Michigan and end up in the Rose Bowl? It's pretty easy to get excited.

    It was more nuts when the basketball team almost finished the regular season undefeated though.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    And what tradition would that be? Think hard, Geebs, and be sure to check your facts before answering.
    The tradition of having the PAC 10 and Big Ten champs in the game. And recently if they can't have the champs because of the title game (like last year), just having teams from those conferences.

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  • GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    butterfingers all up in heah

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  • peter64peter64 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Geebs is right it is tradition but not set in stone like it used to be. Texas and Oklahoma prove that recently they choose teams not from pac 10 or big ten

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    peter64 wrote: »
    Geebs is right it is tradition but not set in stone like it used to be. Texas and Oklahoma prove that recently they choose teams not from pac 10 or big ten

    Exactly my point. All the more reason to put someone else that wouldn't be a 2-TD underdog in this game.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    peter64 wrote: »
    Geebs is right it is tradition but not set in stone like it used to be. Texas and Oklahoma prove that recently they choose teams not from pac 10 or big ten

    Exactly my point. All the more reason to put someone else that wouldn't be a 2-TD underdog in this game.

    It would be a better game, but again, it's a traditional thing and the Rose Bowl is more keyed into that sort of thing than any other bowl. It wasn't to pad USC's stats or record or anything stupid like that.

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  • peter64peter64 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    That still dosen't mean BCS is a conspiracy for inflating USC. The millions of dollars USC has makes them feel good enough thank you very much.

    edit: Billions not millions I underestimated.

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  • GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Goddamn BCS conspiracy!

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2008
    The BCS doesn't make enough sense to be a conspiracy.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    peter64 wrote: »
    Geebs is right it is tradition but not set in stone like it used to be. Texas and Oklahoma prove that recently they choose teams not from pac 10 or big ten

    Exactly my point. All the more reason to put someone else that wouldn't be a 2-TD underdog in this game.

    It would be a better game, but again, it's a traditional thing and the Rose Bowl is more keyed into that sort of thing than any other bowl. It wasn't to pad USC's stats or record or anything stupid like that.

    If this tradition is so important then why didn't Ohio State or Penn State play in the 2005 although they were conference co-champs and why did Texas play Michigan? Why didn't Michigan play in the Rose Bowl this year? They had the same conference record and they beat Illinois.

    The tradition was dead and resurrected for no conceivable reason this year.

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  • GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The BCS doesn't make enough sense to be a conspiracy.
    That's what they want you to think!

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    peter64 wrote: »
    That still dosen't mean BCS is a conspiracy for inflating USC. The millions of dollars USC has makes them feel good enough thank you very much.

    edit: Billions not millions I underestimated.

    Yeah they are so good they lost to Oregon and Stanford. Wow they are amazing. No reason to test them against someone of similar talent and ranking.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    peter64 wrote: »
    That still dosen't mean BCS is a conspiracy for inflating USC. The millions of dollars USC has makes them feel good enough thank you very much.

    edit: Billions not millions I underestimated.

    Yeah they are so good they lost to Oregon and Stanford. Wow they are amazing. No reason to test them against someone of similar talent and ranking.

    similar talent to USC or similar talent to Stanford

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  • mullymully Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    my high school mascot was the 'warm fuzzy'
    which was a 6 foot tall ball that was rainbow coloured

    i just thought this was a good place to mention that

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    ahahahahahaha

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  • mullymully Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    we were always told to not succumb to the 'cold pricklies'
    there was no personification of them
    but we just knew they were bad

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    peter64 wrote: »
    That still dosen't mean BCS is a conspiracy for inflating USC. The millions of dollars USC has makes them feel good enough thank you very much.

    edit: Billions not millions I underestimated.

    Yeah they are so good they lost to Oregon and Stanford. Wow they are amazing. No reason to test them against someone of similar talent and ranking.

    similar talent to USC or similar talent to Stanford

    Ok are you asking this because you are stupid or just don't have good explanation of this ridiculous matchup?

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited January 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    peter64 wrote: »
    That still dosen't mean BCS is a conspiracy for inflating USC. The millions of dollars USC has makes them feel good enough thank you very much.

    edit: Billions not millions I underestimated.

    Yeah they are so good they lost to Oregon and Stanford. Wow they are amazing. No reason to test them against someone of similar talent and ranking.

    similar talent to USC or similar talent to Stanford

    Ok are you asking this because you are stupid or just don't have good explanation of this ridiculous matchup?

    I am asking because you worded your statement incredibly poorly (and it doesn't really even make sense anyway) so I figured I'd request clarification.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Whatever, geebs. You know what I was getting at and you're sidestepping the argument with petty semantics. USC was thrown a softball this year in the BCS and the point spread makes that clear. The question is why do that? Why not match them up against a team of equal caliber? Tradition is not the answer to this as the BCS has put teams from other conferences in the bowl as of late even when it wasn't a BCS championship.

    My opinion on making USC look good may be my own but "tradition" is not a suitable explanation for this retarded ass matchup. It doesn't even make business sense as way more people would be inclined to watch a rose bowl with a single digit point spread.

    And by the looks of this Hawaii-UGA game the BCS is already shaping up to be as big of a disaster as one could ask for.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Christ! This game is even worse. Well, FortyTwo, now you know why Hawaii didn't get their shot at the BCS title. You aren't going to pull an App-State or Stanford style upset when your opponent has no other opponent to think about for 4-6 weeks.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited January 2008
    It'd be funny if this game ended with Hawaii not getting a single touchdown.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    They'll probably get one in the fourth quarter but not before UGA hits 40 points by the way it looks.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Fuck, Colt Brennan is having a Troy Smith kind of game.

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  • GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Yeah he totally shoulda been the heisman winner. Only like 8 sacks and 3 interceptions!

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Wow there, BCS, you really know how to pick em!

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  • JifoochizomitJifoochizomit Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Depressing Sugar Bowl is depressing.

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  • GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I'm confused as to how Brennan, Tebow, and Ryan were all front runners for the Heisman. I know that you can't judge a team by its quarterback and and vice-versa but I can't say that any of them impressed me. The "best player in the NCAA" should probably know how to scramble and throw on the fly.

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  • snapsnap Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    the best player in the NCAA isn't a quarterback

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  • GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I agree, but the Heisman winners for the past 20 years are almost all running backs or quarterbacks. I'd love to see a linebacker or corner get the pick one year. That would just fuck everything up.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2008
    Offense sells tickets, defense wins games. That's how it's always been.

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  • JifoochizomitJifoochizomit Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Georgia's defense certainly won that game, sheesh.

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  • Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Gafoto wrote: »
    I agree, but the Heisman winners for the past 20 years are almost all running backs or quarterbacks. I'd love to see a linebacker or corner get the pick one year. That would just fuck everything up.

    http://www.heisman.com/handbook/heisman-defense.html

    take a look

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Gafoto wrote: »
    I agree, but the Heisman winners for the past 20 years are almost all running backs or quarterbacks. I'd love to see a linebacker or corner get the pick one year. That would just fuck everything up.

    http://www.heisman.com/handbook/heisman-defense.html

    take a look

    Yeah, only one primarily defensive player to win ever. That is sad.

    I don't understand how you can argue against Tebow though. The guy did something no one ever has (the 20+ rushing 20+ passing thing), he may not have had a great game against Michigan but he didn't play badly, and he played pretty damn well against OSU last year for the national title. The guy is his entire team. Florida is nothing without him.

    Who else do you give it to? Who had a better season?

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Maybe today we'll finally have a good matchup and not a 30-40 point loss.

    I was hoping for Illinois to win. They really didn't have a chance, USC pretty much outmatches them, but I'm always happy to see USC lose. I didn't think they'd hand USC the game so much, but oh well.

    Hawaii I was happy to see get steamrolled by a good ol' fashioned SEC team. They were completely overrated the whole year and anyone could have seen a loss coming. Georgia outdid themselves and completely destroyed Hawaii's offense, though. I actually felt a little bad for Colt at the end, he got his ass kicked.

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  • GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Gafoto wrote: »
    I agree, but the Heisman winners for the past 20 years are almost all running backs or quarterbacks. I'd love to see a linebacker or corner get the pick one year. That would just fuck everything up.

    http://www.heisman.com/handbook/heisman-defense.html

    take a look
    Yeah, a single winner.

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