Technically if they are on our side of the line and shooting folks trying to cross the line, as though they were an encroaching enemy, I don't think it really falls into posse comitatus concerns of any kind does it. Cause that's definitely the reasoning they would use.
How would that not be Posse Comitatus? If you're suggesting we treat it as War, that would then violate the War Powers Act.
So say we were in total wackadoo madeup land and did have a group of mexican military members cross the border into the states to try to make their way to a military base to take it for... whatever reason. Does the military meeting them and fighting them off violate posse comitatus? Is our military only for invasive offense?
No, because that wouldn't be an enforcement of domestic Federal Law action.
A side note that posse comitatus is a law and not in the constitution
A further side note that posse comitatus was passed as a part of the end of Reconstruction and it's specific and sole purpose is to prevent the federal government from enforcing equality for blacks upon former confederate states.
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So the President is now declaring people to be "babies" if they don't believe there is a soldier-murdering horde of ravenous criminals charging for the border instead of, you know, a mass group of refugees.
Also, you know, The Goddamn President of the United States of America is declaring a massive band of refugees to be a horde of soldier-murdering criminals.
Conservatives are just starting to grok Post-Modernism. A ~generation behind it being avante garde.
Sounds about right.
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Not even post-modernism, just straight emotional reasoning mixed into the narcissism. What someone feels at this moment is reality and facts have no bearing on it, even facts like "I felt different five minutes ago." Critical thinking is hard, and that feels bad, so it's bad, so these types of people are even less likely to analyze their thoughts. It would be impossible for us to tell what is Trump being his usual compulsive liar self and what is his decaying broken synapses actively confabulating information and making word sounds.
Does he believe what he says? Does he even know what that means anymore? Are the lights even on in there and is anyone home? I'm not entirely sure there's a sapient being in that head most of the time, just a bunch of impulses trained to say words.
WASHINGTON — President Trump is considering taking executive action to bar migrants, including asylum seekers, from entering the country at the southern border, according to people familiar with the plan. The effort would be the starkest indication yet of Mr. Trump’s election-season push to play to his anti-immigrant base as his party fights to keep control of Congress.
The proposed executive action amounts to a sweeping use of presidential power to fortify the border and impose the kind of aggressive immigration restrictions and enforcement measures that Mr. Trump has made his signature pursuit.
It would also be the most drastic in a series of steps Mr. Trump has taken or threatened to take in recent days — including preparations on Thursday to send as many as 1,000 active-duty Army troops to help secure the southern border — as he works to stoke fears of what he has called an “onslaught” of immigrants only days before the midterm elections.
The president has capitalized this month on a group of thousands of Central American migrants trekking north through Mexico, many of them women and children believed to be seeking refuge from violence and economic hardship, to press his case that the United States is under siege from dangerous foreigners and must take harsh measures to hold them off. He said without evidence this week that criminals and “unknown Middle Easterners” were “mixed in” among the people in the migrant caravan, and has blamed its formation on Democrats, falsely charging that they support allowing immigrants to stream, unchecked, into the country.
WASHINGTON/PIJIJIAPAN, Mexico (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s administration may send up to 1,000 active-duty troops to the U.S.-Mexico border, officials said on Thursday, as Trump hammered away at the issue of illegal immigration ahead of congressional elections.
Trump’s threat was sparked by the advance of a caravan of Central American migrants trekking through Mexico and headed toward the United States.
“I am bringing out the military for this National Emergency. They will be stopped!” Trump wrote on Twitter.
U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said in an interview with the Fox News Channel that her department had asked the Pentagon for help to bolster its capabilities, including for “some air support ... some logistics, planning, vehicle barriers, engineering.”
She said the requested support was meant to help better protect the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) agents and ports of entry. How to meet the request is up to the Department of Defense, Nielsen added.
The preliminary DHS request could require deploying between 800 and 1,000 active-duty troops, two U.S. officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
This is legally utterly wrong. They are allowed to seek asylum at the border.
Also factually incorrect. There is no way for someone without American parentage to apply for citizenship from overseas. You must first get a Green Card (and it ain’t easy.)
A lot of ordinary Republicans are morons and believe that there’s a simple way for foreigners to get citizenship, but for some reason illegal immigrants don’t want to take it (cutting the line or too lazy to fill out forms.) They’d probably be surprised (but pleased) to know it’s actually very hard.
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I feel like it's less Calvinball and more frustration that his 'subtle' racism and xenophobia weren't working
Nah he's just gaslighting again, claiming that "these people" aren't going about citizenship the "right" way hoping his audience does not know there isn't a way.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
No its scary because the military is not a border force. Putting them there is a scary situation.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
I'm not sure if anything is even gonna happen. This feels like Trump demanding action because the news is pushing this racist bullshit story hard and it's setting him off, combined with his desire to message on white supremacy to his base before the election. But I'm not sure if that actually translates to real action because his demands make no goddamn sense.
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Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
It absolutely will be. You don't send in the military for a situation where you have multiple other options (hell, even National Guard) unless you're trying to send a message that maximum force will be used.
Its scary because the military is not trained for being on the border, and they'll have trump playing on loud speakers about the dangers of the immigrant horde plus ICE agents itching to start shooting. It's a lot of bad elements that could lead to something horrific.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
Actually the opposite. Kent State was National Guardsmen who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, but had rifles and goddamnit I said disperse. Copper bottomed soldiers who don't even want to be there are probably less likely to do anything stupid.
Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
Actually the opposite. Kent State was National Guardsmen who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, but had rifles and goddamnit I said disperse. Copper bottomed soldiers who don't even want to be there are probably less likely to do anything stupid.
I trust the active duty military to not shoot more than I trust a cop or a border patrol agent. They are taught way more discipline than the other two. Our military are volunteers. The grunts go through more training than some country's special forces. They are the disciplined side.
Also I think we tend to forget how large the border with Mexico is. It goes from Texas to Cali. 800-1000 soldiers will cover a small percent of it.
What is more scary is the fact the President is doing his normal going against norms, rules, and treaties which if ratified are laws to fulfill his paranoid fear of brown people. Most of which will resettle in Mexico before they even reach the border.
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Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
Actually the opposite. Kent State was National Guardsmen who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, but had rifles and goddamnit I said disperse. Copper bottomed soldiers who don't even want to be there are probably less likely to do anything stupid.
I trust the active duty military to not shoot more than I trust a cop or a border patrol agent. They are taught way more discipline than the other two. Our military are volunteers. The grunts go through more training than some country's special forces. They are the disciplined side.
Also I think we tend to forget how large the border with Mexico is. It goes from Texas to Cali. 800-1000 soldiers will cover a small percent of it.
What is more scary is the fact the President is doing his normal going against norms, rules, and treaties which if ratified are laws to fulfill his paranoid fear of brown people. Most of which will resettle in Mexico before they even reach the border.
They're not necessarily going to disperse the soldiers across the entire border. They'll have a pretty good idea where the caravan will be headed before they get there.
Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
Actually the opposite. Kent State was National Guardsmen who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, but had rifles and goddamnit I said disperse. Copper bottomed soldiers who don't even want to be there are probably less likely to do anything stupid.
I trust the active duty military to not shoot more than I trust a cop or a border patrol agent. They are taught way more discipline than the other two. Our military are volunteers. The grunts go through more training than some country's special forces. They are the disciplined side.
Also I think we tend to forget how large the border with Mexico is. It goes from Texas to Cali. 800-1000 soldiers will cover a small percent of it.
What is more scary is the fact the President is doing his normal going against norms, rules, and treaties which if ratified are laws to fulfill his paranoid fear of brown people. Most of which will resettle in Mexico before they even reach the border.
They're not necessarily going to disperse the soldiers across the entire border. They'll have a pretty good idea where the caravan will be headed before they get there.
They are reinforcing the already large amount Guardsman there. My guess probably playing cards and standing around.
Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
Actually the opposite. Kent State was National Guardsmen who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, but had rifles and goddamnit I said disperse. Copper bottomed soldiers who don't even want to be there are probably less likely to do anything stupid.
I trust the active duty military to not shoot more than I trust a cop or a border patrol agent. They are taught way more discipline than the other two. Our military are volunteers. The grunts go through more training than some country's special forces. They are the disciplined side.
Also I think we tend to forget how large the border with Mexico is. It goes from Texas to Cali. 800-1000 soldiers will cover a small percent of it.
What is more scary is the fact the President is doing his normal going against norms, rules, and treaties which if ratified are laws to fulfill his paranoid fear of brown people. Most of which will resettle in Mexico before they even reach the border.
They're not necessarily going to disperse the soldiers across the entire border. They'll have a pretty good idea where the caravan will be headed before they get there.
They are reinforcing the already large amount Guardsman there. My guess probably playing cards and standing around.
Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
Actually the opposite. Kent State was National Guardsmen who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, but had rifles and goddamnit I said disperse. Copper bottomed soldiers who don't even want to be there are probably less likely to do anything stupid.
I trust the active duty military to not shoot more than I trust a cop or a border patrol agent. They are taught way more discipline than the other two. Our military are volunteers. The grunts go through more training than some country's special forces. They are the disciplined side.
Also I think we tend to forget how large the border with Mexico is. It goes from Texas to Cali. 800-1000 soldiers will cover a small percent of it.
What is more scary is the fact the President is doing his normal going against norms, rules, and treaties which if ratified are laws to fulfill his paranoid fear of brown people. Most of which will resettle in Mexico before they even reach the border.
They're not necessarily going to disperse the soldiers across the entire border. They'll have a pretty good idea where the caravan will be headed before they get there.
They are reinforcing the already large amount Guardsman there. My guess probably playing cards and standing around.
While watching surveillance cameras.
Because the US military cannot enforce domestic policies.
Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
Actually the opposite. Kent State was National Guardsmen who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, but had rifles and goddamnit I said disperse. Copper bottomed soldiers who don't even want to be there are probably less likely to do anything stupid.
I trust the active duty military to not shoot more than I trust a cop or a border patrol agent. They are taught way more discipline than the other two. Our military are volunteers. The grunts go through more training than some country's special forces. They are the disciplined side.
Also I think we tend to forget how large the border with Mexico is. It goes from Texas to Cali. 800-1000 soldiers will cover a small percent of it.
What is more scary is the fact the President is doing his normal going against norms, rules, and treaties which if ratified are laws to fulfill his paranoid fear of brown people. Most of which will resettle in Mexico before they even reach the border.
If it's ever pointed out to him and he actually grasps the concept, he'll use this as 'proof' we need more.
They wouldn't have to apply for asylum in the US at our border if the Trump administration had not ended the policy of allowing people to apply for asylum at their local US embassy and then wait in their own country for approval.
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No, because that wouldn't be an enforcement of domestic Federal Law action.
A further side note that posse comitatus was passed as a part of the end of Reconstruction and it's specific and sole purpose is to prevent the federal government from enforcing equality for blacks upon former confederate states.
Kyle Griffin is a Producer for The Last Word on MSNBC
So the President is now declaring people to be "babies" if they don't believe there is a soldier-murdering horde of ravenous criminals charging for the border instead of, you know, a mass group of refugees.
It's a side effect of not having object permanence.
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What if the refugees like beer?
Temporary philosophical skeptism is always appealing to liars.
Conservatives are just starting to grok Post-Modernism. A ~generation behind it being avante garde.
Sounds about right.
Does he believe what he says? Does he even know what that means anymore? Are the lights even on in there and is anyone home? I'm not entirely sure there's a sapient being in that head most of the time, just a bunch of impulses trained to say words.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/us/politics/trump-army-border-mexico.html
I don't know what else to say right now
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-trump/us-military-may-send-up-to-1000-troops-to-mexico-border-idUSKCN1MZ1NC
This is legally utterly wrong. They are allowed to seek asylum at the border.
Worse than that.
(Javad Khazaeli states his relevant credentials in the tweet.)
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Also factually incorrect. There is no way for someone without American parentage to apply for citizenship from overseas. You must first get a Green Card (and it ain’t easy.)
A lot of ordinary Republicans are morons and believe that there’s a simple way for foreigners to get citizenship, but for some reason illegal immigrants don’t want to take it (cutting the line or too lazy to fill out forms.) They’d probably be surprised (but pleased) to know it’s actually very hard.
I feel like it's less Calvinball and more frustration that his 'subtle' racism and xenophobia weren't working
Nah he's just gaslighting again, claiming that "these people" aren't going about citizenship the "right" way hoping his audience does not know there isn't a way.
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Trump has been racist for at least as long as he's been a public figure.
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Am I the only one who keeps thinking "oh god is this going to be our generation's Kent State" when reading the headlines about sending the military to the border?
No its scary because the military is not a border force. Putting them there is a scary situation.
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I'm not sure if anything is even gonna happen. This feels like Trump demanding action because the news is pushing this racist bullshit story hard and it's setting him off, combined with his desire to message on white supremacy to his base before the election. But I'm not sure if that actually translates to real action because his demands make no goddamn sense.
It absolutely will be. You don't send in the military for a situation where you have multiple other options (hell, even National Guard) unless you're trying to send a message that maximum force will be used.
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Actually the opposite. Kent State was National Guardsmen who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, but had rifles and goddamnit I said disperse. Copper bottomed soldiers who don't even want to be there are probably less likely to do anything stupid.
I trust the active duty military to not shoot more than I trust a cop or a border patrol agent. They are taught way more discipline than the other two. Our military are volunteers. The grunts go through more training than some country's special forces. They are the disciplined side.
Also I think we tend to forget how large the border with Mexico is. It goes from Texas to Cali. 800-1000 soldiers will cover a small percent of it.
What is more scary is the fact the President is doing his normal going against norms, rules, and treaties which if ratified are laws to fulfill his paranoid fear of brown people. Most of which will resettle in Mexico before they even reach the border.
They're not necessarily going to disperse the soldiers across the entire border. They'll have a pretty good idea where the caravan will be headed before they get there.
They are reinforcing the already large amount Guardsman there. My guess probably playing cards and standing around.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pentagon-plans-to-dispatch-800-more-troops-to-us-mexico-border-in-response-to-migrant-caravan/2018/10/25/6a121944-d868-11e8-83a2-d1c3da28d6b6_story.html?utm_term=.6ecd78f4cda7
Also reading through the DoD is doing its ass covering. Even if Trump wants guns the DoD is sending its equivalent of NG units for natural disasters.
So basically, relying on Trump not having the attention span to deal with rules lawyering?
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While watching surveillance cameras.
Because the US military cannot enforce domestic policies.
This is stupid.
If it's ever pointed out to him and he actually grasps the concept, he'll use this as 'proof' we need more.