"We never paid any attention to the numerous stated policy positions of the candidate because we're bad at our jobs and there was something else about them we were easily distracted with like a baby shown a jingling set of keys." PART II: The candidate had charisma. Also see our previous installment of this documntary PART I: Emails.
Nearly every journalist in the United States might as well be Perd Goddamn Haply.
"These specific people are creating fake ballots to rig the election" strikes me as a ... bold thing to put in writing that publicly, especially when the people you're saying it about are actual practicing law-ologists.
Like, I'm assuming there's a potential difference between "my political opponent is a jerk" and "that guy's committing major felonies right now."
They really seem to hire amazing and terrible writers in equal measure.
I really hope the infrastructure that Beto helped setup gets kept alive for the next election.
The Atlantic is a shadow of its former self, so that's no surprise. The historical magazine pretty much died when it was bought and moved to D.C. to be a thinkpiece-focused policy wonk journal, and then that died when the Internet turned it into a shell that hires a lot of freelancers seemingly at random for content.
If that's a legit ballot, I can see it. Senator is right under the Hatian language instructions (which are under the Spanish instructions). A little tunnel vision, a 9 page ballot, and a rush to get out of there could miss it.
Results for specifically that precinct (E006) in the "main" central column on that ballot
Gov: 2965
AG: 2920
CoA: 2891
CFO: 2883
Vs those under the instructions:
Senator: 2873
Dist Rep 22: 2845
The drop is slight, but consistent across precincts.
Skimming through, I don't see any case where Senator gets more than CFO.
That's not a whole lot of difference. You'd have to not read top to bottom left to right to miss it. I think there's a lot that's wonky in florida, but that ballot looks just fine to me.
AZ-sen and FL-sen yea. MS is probably done and dusted, just a matter of time before that one is lost in the runoff since we didn’t get the bad republican, sadly.
That ballot sucks from a design perspective. People gloss over instructions all the time.
Yeah, that just looks like a bad design but not a malicious one. Instructions should be presented on a separate page, or on a top banner. I can certainly see why people would miss that option. The test would be if there were also weird missing votes for the house rep, which is right underneath. If those votes are missing too, it's just shitty design, if those votes are present I'd say it's likely malicious or malfunctioning counting machines.
Uh.... Am I the only one that finds this tweet from the President kind of telling? Since no one as "found" votes but are just continuing to count them, and no one has blamed Russia for sabotage or interference in the election thus far.
You mean they are just now finding votes in Florida and Georgia – but the Election was on Tuesday? Let’s blame the Russians and demand an immediate apology from President Putin!
That's not a whole lot of difference. You'd have to not read top to bottom left to right to miss it. I think there's a lot that's wonky in florida, but that ballot looks just fine to me.
As I noted, the other races below Senator suffered a similar slump; suggesting a correlation with reduced participation.
I missed it initially, and I was looking for it. I saw a wall of text in increasingly unfamiliar language and filtered out that whole left column. Perhaps they rested their hand on that bit thinking they had only obscured instructions.
We're not talking about a lot of people making this oversight.
Sen: 682,073
CFO: 691,051
Gov: 707,021
Calculating the miss rate by assuming anyone who voted for CFO would have surely had an opinion on Senate, and it's like 1%. For every 100 people in a rush to get to work, shuffling 4 double sided ballot pages, one missed it: seems reasonable.
Comparing to Governor, it's 4% (3% for just R+D). That does seem high for human error; but maybe I'm being overly generous to humans.
Alternatively: Nelson supposed that the scanners may be miscalibrated or have issues reading that region; but (up here) our ballots can be fed into the machine in any orientation. So I don't know if that tracks, but I would think it would evenly affect the lower left and upper right races of all pages.
(Unless we're naturally biased to feed them in a certain way...)
I abjectly refuse to download the raw counts and crunch them all manner of ways; but I really want to.
"These specific people are creating fake ballots to rig the election" strikes me as a ... bold thing to put in writing that publicly, especially when the people you're saying it about are actual practicing law-ologists.
Like, I'm assuming there's a potential difference between "my political opponent is a jerk" and "that guy's committing major felonies right now."
Like in terms of getting into legal trouble for saying it? Not really.
On matters of national, political importance, it's pretty much impossible to get sued for libel.
" Yet one could also argue—and quite convincingly, at that—that such a campaign never stood a chance of breaking through in a state as historically red as Texas. That the national party so desperately wanted it to signifies, perhaps, just how weak the Democratic field looks ahead of 2020. Because O’Rourke, like Rubio, in his youth and charisma and energy, is something of a Platonic ideal of a presidential candidate: It was incumbent upon the Democratic Party to manufacture a narrative of success for O’Rourke, no matter the outcome of the race itself. (Luckily for them, the media has already bought into it: Reuters reported that, win or lose, O’Rourke was “set to emerge victorious.”)"
I have voted in the UK and the USA. In the UK, ballots are tiny cards. In the USA, ballots are complete messes, with so much random text in random languages, and the instructions and voting options all mixed up together.
Ballots should be in one language only. The poll workers should ask you which language you want. Instructions should be on the back. No options should be on the back (even referendums.)
Overly messy ballot papers should be considered “literacy tests” because you couldn’t be a struggling reader and successfully fill out that form. Dyslexics wouldn’t have a hope. People whose native language was not on the card because it is a rare language would be perplexed.
If this is what the actual ballot looked like, I'm not seeing the argument for missing the Senate race. It's the first one on the list, top left.
Jesus christ, that's a ballot? It looks like a chinese restaurant menu they hang on your door.
That's fucking insane
No, it's a half-letter-size pamphlet that comes to you in the mail. The ballot is the one marked "SAMPLE BALLOT", and is perfectly clear.
If that's considered perfectly clear that explains a lot about 2000.
It's literally just a list of names, it even has different colored shading for each separate section to differentiate them, with a dot to fill in right next to each name
Turns out Trump is an idiot who makes dumb arguments in bad faith, who knew
On a positive note NPR on Up First this morning did not shy away from pointing out that him and Scott (as well as Kemp in Georgia) are making these claims without any evidence.
If this is what the actual ballot looked like, I'm not seeing the argument for missing the Senate race. It's the first one on the list, top left.
Jesus christ, that's a ballot? It looks like a chinese restaurant menu they hang on your door.
That's fucking insane
No, it's a half-letter-size pamphlet that comes to you in the mail. The ballot is the one marked "SAMPLE BALLOT", and is perfectly clear.
If that's considered perfectly clear that explains a lot about 2000.
It's literally just a list of names, it even has different colored shading for each separate section to differentiate them, with a dot to fill in right next to each name
How is this not clear?
Like, I get LOL FLORIDA but come on
If you are looking at the colored one then it is not what the ballot actually looks like.
Yes, this one here is what ballots look like in Florida. I have no idea where that other sample ballot came from, but I've never seen a ballot like that in any FL election I've voted in.
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Yes, this one here is what ballots look like in Florida. I have no idea where that other sample ballot came from, but I've never seen a ballot like that in any FL election I've voted in.
This is almost exactly what mine looked like, with different county/local things.
The ballot is a mess because of all the languages tossed onto the same page. The instructions on page one could cause people to just skip over the two very important choices directly below them because the instructions blend into the selections right below if you arent taking your time.
Yes, this one here is what ballots look like in Florida. I have no idea where that other sample ballot came from, but I've never seen a ballot like that in any FL election I've voted in.
it came from the Broward County election website....
good to hear the actual ballot doesn't look as messy, but starting the voting halfway down a column is just derp.
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You mean, your locat Vermont ballot that is anglo-centric, assumes you've voted before, and prevents portions of your local population that don't speak english from being able to do it?
Florida's ballot is fine. The fact they all looked like this but only one county had a reporting problem indicates its not the ballot that is the issue.
Oh ya, it's a terribly designed ballot for sure. As for the other sample coming from the Broward County website I'm somehow not surprised. As we can all see right now they don't really have a full grasp on this whole "election" thing.
Yes, this one here is what ballots look like in Florida. I have no idea where that other sample ballot came from, but I've never seen a ballot like that in any FL election I've voted in.
It's from the browder county website.
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My "sample ballot" in Central Florida looked just as goofy. Its a mailer, not a scantron.
You mean, your locat Vermont ballot that is anglo-centric, assumes you've voted before, and prevents portions of your local population that don't speak english from being able to do it?
Florida's ballot is fine. The fact they all looked like this but only one county had a reporting problem indicates its not the ballot that is the issue.
It's from NC. Having ballots in multiple languages is good, but they need to just have a spanish ballot, an english ballot, and I think that is portuguese but I am not very familiar with the other language.
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"We never paid any attention to the numerous stated policy positions of the candidate because we're bad at our jobs and there was something else about them we were easily distracted with like a baby shown a jingling set of keys." PART II: The candidate had charisma. Also see our previous installment of this documntary PART I: Emails.
Nearly every journalist in the United States might as well be Perd Goddamn Haply.
They really seem to hire amazing and terrible writers in equal measure.
I really hope the infrastructure that Beto helped setup gets kept alive for the next election.
"These specific people are creating fake ballots to rig the election" strikes me as a ... bold thing to put in writing that publicly, especially when the people you're saying it about are actual practicing law-ologists.
Like, I'm assuming there's a potential difference between "my political opponent is a jerk" and "that guy's committing major felonies right now."
The Atlantic is a shadow of its former self, so that's no surprise. The historical magazine pretty much died when it was bought and moved to D.C. to be a thinkpiece-focused policy wonk journal, and then that died when the Internet turned it into a shell that hires a lot of freelancers seemingly at random for content.
That's the "sample" ballot for review purposes; the bubbles lead me to suspect it is not an example of an actual ballot they used anywhere.
Cross post from local thread, this one looks like a real ballot (in that it matches the font and style of the I one got):
Yeah, that just looks like a bad design but not a malicious one. Instructions should be presented on a separate page, or on a top banner. I can certainly see why people would miss that option. The test would be if there were also weird missing votes for the house rep, which is right underneath. If those votes are missing too, it's just shitty design, if those votes are present I'd say it's likely malicious or malfunctioning counting machines.
I missed it initially, and I was looking for it. I saw a wall of text in increasingly unfamiliar language and filtered out that whole left column. Perhaps they rested their hand on that bit thinking they had only obscured instructions.
We're not talking about a lot of people making this oversight.
Sen: 682,073
CFO: 691,051
Gov: 707,021
Calculating the miss rate by assuming anyone who voted for CFO would have surely had an opinion on Senate, and it's like 1%. For every 100 people in a rush to get to work, shuffling 4 double sided ballot pages, one missed it: seems reasonable.
Comparing to Governor, it's 4% (3% for just R+D). That does seem high for human error; but maybe I'm being overly generous to humans.
Alternatively: Nelson supposed that the scanners may be miscalibrated or have issues reading that region; but (up here) our ballots can be fed into the machine in any orientation. So I don't know if that tracks, but I would think it would evenly affect the lower left and upper right races of all pages.
(Unless we're naturally biased to feed them in a certain way...)
I abjectly refuse to download the raw counts and crunch them all manner of ways; but I really want to.
Jesus christ, that's a ballot? It looks like a chinese restaurant menu they hang on your door.
That's fucking insane
Like in terms of getting into legal trouble for saying it? Not really.
On matters of national, political importance, it's pretty much impossible to get sued for libel.
I think we're also seeing a taste of the bullshit he'd have spewed if he had actually lost in 2016.
The playbook is simple: I won because everything was perfect vs I lost because of massive, obvious, undeniable voter fraud.
Good lord I've seen cleaner GeoCities websites.
Who the fuck designed that thing?
No, it's a half-letter-size pamphlet that comes to you in the mail. The ballot is the one marked "SAMPLE BALLOT", and is perfectly clear.
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" Yet one could also argue—and quite convincingly, at that—that such a campaign never stood a chance of breaking through in a state as historically red as Texas. That the national party so desperately wanted it to signifies, perhaps, just how weak the Democratic field looks ahead of 2020. Because O’Rourke, like Rubio, in his youth and charisma and energy, is something of a Platonic ideal of a presidential candidate: It was incumbent upon the Democratic Party to manufacture a narrative of success for O’Rourke, no matter the outcome of the race itself. (Luckily for them, the media has already bought into it: Reuters reported that, win or lose, O’Rourke was “set to emerge victorious.”)"
This writer desperately needs an editor
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is what the ballot looks like.
If that's considered perfectly clear that explains a lot about 2000.
Ballots should be in one language only. The poll workers should ask you which language you want. Instructions should be on the back. No options should be on the back (even referendums.)
It's literally just a list of names, it even has different colored shading for each separate section to differentiate them, with a dot to fill in right next to each name
How is this not clear?
Like, I get LOL FLORIDA but come on
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On a positive note NPR on Up First this morning did not shy away from pointing out that him and Scott (as well as Kemp in Georgia) are making these claims without any evidence.
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/09/666018707/trump-scott-spread-claims-of-voter-fraud-as-florida-race-narrows?utm_
If you are looking at the colored one then it is not what the ballot actually looks like.
Yes, this one here is what ballots look like in Florida. I have no idea where that other sample ballot came from, but I've never seen a ballot like that in any FL election I've voted in.
This is almost exactly what mine looked like, with different county/local things.
That Florida ballot is garbage. Here's ballotpedia's copy.
https://cdn.ballotpedia.org/images/7/74/Florida_sample_ballot_(Broward_County).pdf
Compare it to my ballot: https://vt.ncsbe.gov/RegLkup/SampleBallot?CountyID=92&ElectionID=85&BallotStyle=G028
it came from the Broward County election website....
good to hear the actual ballot doesn't look as messy, but starting the voting halfway down a column is just derp.
Florida's ballot is fine. The fact they all looked like this but only one county had a reporting problem indicates its not the ballot that is the issue.
It's from the browder county website.
It's from NC. Having ballots in multiple languages is good, but they need to just have a spanish ballot, an english ballot, and I think that is portuguese but I am not very familiar with the other language.