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Nah, this is the line Nazis use to say they shouldn't be able to remove Nazi content.
Can't force liquidation if you don't have 51% of the vote.
Can't do shit if you don't have 51% of the vote.
The one thing from programming I want to see translated to law: git.
Revision history, logs of who changed what, the whole nine yards.
....I wonder if someone could write a compiler for legal code which would make the slightest bit of sense.
so give it a wikipedia like backbone?
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I certainly don't think they should be regulated as utilities, but its tough to think about how you SHOULD be able to regulate things.
Take something which exists in some countries, the right to be forgotten online. Should facebook be obliged to utterly eradicate all record of an action I took if I want it gone and its more than 10 years old or something? Should google be obliged to de-index it?
Do we value a record of the past (so, for example we can see if someone was a sexist and mysoginist bastard when they were 22) or do we value your ability to escape it and move beyond it (so that that same sexist bastard who is now 42 can put the transgressions of their youth behind them now that they have been a well behaved and decent person for more than a decade)
It doesn't matter if someone owns 51% of the stock because that doesn't translate to 51% of the voting rights. Zuckerberg alone controls about 60% of the voting rights of Facebook and another 10% is controlled by a small group of insiders. Collectively they own about 18% of the stock while having 70% of the voting rights.
It's arguable who's fault this is, but I think it's telling that the NYSE has said that stocks with a dual tier structure will no longer be allowed in indicies. The other side of this argument would be that a buying a stock in these types of companies is making a bet on the founder.
Liquidation also wouldn't give you much money as the stock isn't priced solely on assets (note this would literally involve all your data being sold off to the highest bidder)
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Also the amount of control required is up to whatever was agreed upon for whatever type of event it is.
If you agree to "must be unanimous, only my votes count" then that's what happens.
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Godwin in 1. Bravo.
This is like page 32 it barely counts
So, what you're saying is that you don't actually have an argument, just a rote truism that the person it's named for has conceded doesn't work anymore in our current society.
Because the reason you see the argument that online services should be run in a "neutral" manner is because there's a contingent that has started to face opprobrium for their conduct where they haven't before, and instead of examining why that is the case, they want to go back to where their behavior wasn't held against them.
Dude no, if somebody did half the harassment that Nazi do on facebook in a public square, they would be fined, arrested and removed by the cops before you could say "nazi war crimes for 500 alex"!
The level of vitriol and hate on Facebook is way higher then what we would allow in any public setting, routinely reaching death threats and systemic stalking. The only reason more people are not jailed for it is because Facebook is uncooperative, making it hard to document it and track down the real world location of the Nazis.
not really
see: Charlottesville, WBC, and the literal KKK (that are still around and active!)
Exceptions to the general rule. The KKK for instance was a terrorist organisation supported by several state and local governments(and vice versa).
Charlottesville was a huge fuckup by the local authorities, failing to prepare for a major public confrontation, allowing it to escalate into violence. No events after that have been allowed to get out of control, with cops outnumbering the Alt Right at several of their protest.
As for WBC, they are more of a moneymaking scam then a hate group(though they are still a hate group). Most of their money comes from suing people that even touch them. Their slogans and chants are even set up so that they are just on the edge of threatening speech. Its why their posters says God hates Fags instead of I want to kill gays.
We live in a society where allowing Nazis to openly march in force through a heavily Jewish community is treated as an emblem of how free our society is. Death threats and stalking are routinely played down and treated unseriously, with tragic results.
You would be surprised (and horrified) at what gets allowed in public discourse.
Aka "our users are content providers, so we can't be held accountable by what they say".
But, if social media becomes content curators, like Tim Cook said when Apple banned Alex Jones, then what are they exactly? Like, a lot of this discussion makes sense when you see that as long as Section 230 is there, a lot of companies don't have to do anything if they don't want to.
Facebook won't be on top as more boomers die off and other platforms are more elevated. They already lie about all their numbers to sell to advertisers. It will be a conservative bastion till then. A utility it is not.
I find it interesting the jump to social media as a utility. Wouldn't the telecoms be a far better fit? Unless you are suggesting nationalize everything and that doesn't seem to be your particular leaning.
Should be noted that, thanks to Bellingcat, we know that most of their organization activities take place off of public social media and on services like Discord. Bellingcat has been tracking down the identities of these people anyways.
My argument was previously stated. I don't like the private companies I listed being unregulated, it's a new age and the government needs to step up and regulate this mess.
You get a Godwin response when people make stupid comments like the one above. Because in essence what your saying is, "this private corporation currently enforces restrictions i find pleasant to my moral compass, this will never change."
uh huh.
It needs to be a "your platform cannot be built to reward bad behavior and bad actors"
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So Elliot Schrage is the fall guy.
How did they think a Republican-affiliated firm would attack Soros? It is pretty much all anti-Semitism.
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Yeah it seems like they literally both sidesed their PR here. Which is insane. "This is the pr for dem, this is the pr for republicans" yeah that's not how you should do PR ever.
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For regulation to work under US law, yes.
I'm also okay with the company just saying, "We don't want this on our site".
I personally disagree with the somewhat puritanical way that social media companies go after what they see as pornography on their sites, but the existence of these kinds of purges establish that the companies are 100% willing and able to purge unwanted content from their sites.
So much of what sucks about social media is the relentless drive to get you to engage in behaviors that boost the possible ad revenue projections at the cost of your own mental health and the relationships it's ostensibly fostering.
And while it's clear that the people designing these applications understand they can be made better, they can't afford to actually take any of those steps.
Like twitter's recent Big Update to Improve Conversations:
They make a lot of good arguments for why the likes of Facebook and Google should be broken up
One of the bigger problems with tech that doesn't get talked about much is how the entire industry is built around acquisition these days. People don't found tech firms for the long haul anymore - there's always a goal to be bought out by someone else. Furthermore, part of how Alphabet, Facebook, and the other big tech companies keep their position is by just buying out whoever could be a threat.
I'm a little dubious about that because a lot of companies should be broken up. And this push very noticably started after the Bezos owned Post started giving Trump shit.
Break them apart by the companies they were before being bought out. And if you do that, it might force them to work on new funding models.
People have been talking about breaking up the tech companies for some time now. And yes, a lot of companies should be broken up - like many issues we have, you can blame Reagan for this, as it was during his Administration that the current "benefit the consumer" model used to determine if corporations should be broken up was instituted.
It is in the super segregated media world Facebook is trying to produce. Good news is that we aren't there yet.
Why don't you give a concrete example, because there are dozens to hundreds of acquisitions over the years. Or are you just thinking of the "big" acquisitions people can name
How do you fund otherwise given away for free software? Like chrome, that's probably a hundred million a year cost at least. Free quality browsers are a good thing, but they cost $$$ to make
What about tech that got acquired and integrated into already-existing things?
Oh, and all the service code is in one giant repository and none of it will work on another platform or datacenter because everything is custom-built to operate at massive scale. Go
Academician Prokhor "Phyphor" Zakharov, Chief Scientist of China, Provost of the University of Planet - SE++ Megagame
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