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    OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    I dunno, at a certain point the Steam forums are unusable anyway. If they're not gonna bother moderating them or quashing all the Nazism, then just don't have them. Same with all the other stuff that address specific Steam deficiencies.

    I hate relying on corporations to fight one another for my sake, but if this is what kicks Steam in the ass and makes it fix its problems, I'm cautiously optimistic.
    Turning the Steam Spy into an actual Steam Spy is pretty good, though.

    I feel like they need a better hook than not having forums or reviews to jump start Valve into fixing anything. So far it sounds as competitive as Origin or Uplay. Developers get a bigger cut, but my understanding is that itch.io lets developers take 100%, yet they don't seem to have dethroned Steam despite also not having community features.

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    Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    edited December 2018
    Orogogus wrote: »
    I dunno, at a certain point the Steam forums are unusable anyway. If they're not gonna bother moderating them or quashing all the Nazism, then just don't have them. Same with all the other stuff that address specific Steam deficiencies.

    I hate relying on corporations to fight one another for my sake, but if this is what kicks Steam in the ass and makes it fix its problems, I'm cautiously optimistic.
    Turning the Steam Spy into an actual Steam Spy is pretty good, though.

    I feel like they need a better hook than not having forums or reviews to jump start Valve into fixing anything. So far it sounds as competitive as Origin or Uplay. Developers get a bigger cut, but my understanding is that itch.io lets developers take 100%, yet they don't seem to have dethroned Steam despite also not having community features.

    Itch.io doesn't have a Fortnite sized audience to look at their offerings. There's already a huge userbase for Epic's launcher which is a big advantage starting out.

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    Werewolf2000adWerewolf2000ad Suckers, I know exactly what went wrong. Registered User regular
    Orogogus wrote: »
    I dunno, at a certain point the Steam forums are unusable anyway. If they're not gonna bother moderating them or quashing all the Nazism, then just don't have them. Same with all the other stuff that address specific Steam deficiencies.

    I hate relying on corporations to fight one another for my sake, but if this is what kicks Steam in the ass and makes it fix its problems, I'm cautiously optimistic.
    Turning the Steam Spy into an actual Steam Spy is pretty good, though.

    I feel like they need a better hook than not having forums or reviews to jump start Valve into fixing anything. So far it sounds as competitive as Origin or Uplay. Developers get a bigger cut, but my understanding is that itch.io lets developers take 100%, yet they don't seem to have dethroned Steam despite also not having community features.

    Itch.io doesn't have a Fortnite sized audience to look at their offerings. There's already a huge userbase for Epic's launcher which is a big advantage starting out.

    True but the thing about Fortnite's audience, like it is for a lot of games with that big a userbase, is that Fortnite is the only thing a lot of them ever play.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    If you have the Epic launcher, you also already have access to the new(er) UT as well, right there, for free (IIRC). Yet we hear precisely fuck-all about that these days.

    Build it, and they might not come...

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    OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    Orogogus wrote: »
    I dunno, at a certain point the Steam forums are unusable anyway. If they're not gonna bother moderating them or quashing all the Nazism, then just don't have them. Same with all the other stuff that address specific Steam deficiencies.

    I hate relying on corporations to fight one another for my sake, but if this is what kicks Steam in the ass and makes it fix its problems, I'm cautiously optimistic.
    Turning the Steam Spy into an actual Steam Spy is pretty good, though.

    I feel like they need a better hook than not having forums or reviews to jump start Valve into fixing anything. So far it sounds as competitive as Origin or Uplay. Developers get a bigger cut, but my understanding is that itch.io lets developers take 100%, yet they don't seem to have dethroned Steam despite also not having community features.

    Itch.io doesn't have a Fortnite sized audience to look at their offerings. There's already a huge userbase for Epic's launcher which is a big advantage starting out.

    Sure, but that's Origin's hook, too, and their low feature list hasn't made them a significant vendor of third party games to people who would otherwise only be playing Battlefield or whatever. From what I've read, between GOG and Origin and itch.io and the like, the only company that's managed to really split sales of third party titles is Oculus. The theory that people who only play Fortnite will buy a third party game from Epic because of the convenient launcher seems dubious to me, as I haven't seen that sort of killer app effect work for anyone else.

    On the other hand, I think EA did help get Valve to implement a refund policy, unless that was all thanks to Australia. So on a feature-by-feature level I think it could be good. It's just that this doesn't actually seem to have any features to copy other than "You have to buy Fortnite here."

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    IoloIolo iolo Registered User regular
    I thought we had the EU to thank for Steam's refund policy?

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    Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    If you have the Epic launcher, you also already have access to the new(er) UT as well, right there, for free (IIRC). Yet we hear precisely fuck-all about that these days.

    Build it, and they might not come...

    Well that's at least partly because development hasn't been active on that UT since at least September. And that's not changing any time soon.

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    I found that tilting it doesn't work very well, and once I started jerking it, I got much better results.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited December 2018
    Jazz wrote: »
    If you have the Epic launcher, you also already have access to the new(er) UT as well, right there, for free (IIRC). Yet we hear precisely fuck-all about that these days.

    Build it, and they might not come...

    did they ever bring back Onslaught mode? I never cared about deathmatch or team deathmatch or CTF or whatever in UT, I was all about that battlefield-y vehicles and control points life.
    The maps that were attack/defense scenarios were pretty good too.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited December 2018
    Jazz wrote: »
    If you have the Epic launcher, you also already have access to the new(er) UT as well, right there, for free (IIRC). Yet we hear precisely fuck-all about that these days.

    Build it, and they might not come...

    Well that's at least partly because development hasn't been active on that UT since at least September. And that's not changing any time soon.

    Shows how much attention I've been paying. :lol:

    Mind you, I haven't played it since one of the first pre-alpha builds back in 2014 or so, long before the launcher was needed. Anyone played it recently? What sort of a state is it in? And most importantly, are bots in there and okay?

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    ZavianZavian universal peace sounds better than forever war Registered User regular
    Speaking of historical games, there's a new trailer for Total War Three Kingdoms. There's a ton of alt right anger because of the new badass female mercenary leader. In my opinion? I can play as a badass female mercenary leader? Yes please!
    https://youtu.be/_cg2nSAfeUY

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    PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    Oh hey, CS:GO is free-to-play now.

    And has a battle royale mode now.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Zavian wrote: »
    Speaking of historical games, there's a new trailer for Total War Three Kingdoms. There's a ton of alt right anger because of the new badass female mercenary leader. In my opinion? I can play as a badass female mercenary leader? Yes please!
    https://youtu.be/_cg2nSAfeUY

    Holy shit that comment section is full of hate. Yikes!

    I've never understood anyone complaining about things like that in gaming.

    Developer: "You can play as a female solider in CoD now!"
    Dumb gamer: "Ugh, SJWs ruining CoD now! Women haven't been able to participate in combat until 2013. Since then, only a handful have even graduated Marine training and haven't been assigned to full duty active squads yet. Realistically, women should be not be an available soldier option in a modernized USA military. Now excuse while I restore health by hiding behind this rock."

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    bloodatonementbloodatonement Registered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Oh hey, CS:GO is free-to-play now.

    And has a battle royale mode now.

    If you can't beat em, join em?

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    PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Oh hey, CS:GO is free-to-play now.

    And has a battle royale mode now.

    If you can't beat em, join em?

    Admittingly, I don't play a lot of the Plunkbats/BR's, but actually reading the Danger Zone update... it actually sounds a lot more interesting? Since there's stuff going on in the map beyond just FiteMans.

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    JaysonFourJaysonFour Classy Monster Kitteh Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Zavian wrote: »
    Speaking of historical games, there's a new trailer for Total War Three Kingdoms. There's a ton of alt right anger because of the new badass female mercenary leader. In my opinion? I can play as a badass female mercenary leader? Yes please!
    https://youtu.be/_cg2nSAfeUY

    Holy shit that comment section is full of hate. Yikes!

    I've never understood anyone complaining about things like that in gaming.

    Developer: "You can play as a female solider in CoD now!"
    Dumb gamer: "Ugh, SJWs ruining CoD now! Women haven't been able to participate in combat until 2013. Since then, only a handful have even graduated Marine training and haven't been assigned to full duty active squads yet. Realistically, women should be not be an available soldier option in a modernized USA military. Now excuse while I restore health by hiding behind this rock."

    I told my little sister the veteran about this whole mess. She got her vet status by driving a supply truck up through Iraq to Baghdad back during Iraqi Freedom back in 2002-03, where she was shot at repeatedly, had to stand on guard duty, and was in the line of fire just as much as anyone else there.

    She wonders why a bunch of these he-men haven't signed up for the military themselves if they think women can't hack it instead of just playing a video game. Then she burst out laughing at the thought of them even making it through basic training without throwing a punch at the drill instructors.

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    BetsuniBetsuni UM-R60L Talisker IVRegistered User regular
    She should say that they wouldn't make it through basic without peeing themselves.

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    Pixelated PixiePixelated Pixie They/Them Registered User regular
    Holy shit that was awesome. I am totally on board with this.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Oh hey, CS:GO is free-to-play now.

    And has a battle royale mode now.

    Is it worth playing CS:GO? I never have done, but for free, why not... but I fear increased hack attacks on my Steam account, whether or not that's an irrational fear.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Oh hey, CS:GO is free-to-play now.

    And has a battle royale mode now.

    Now? I thought that was always the point.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited December 2018
    CS has always been a team objective-based game, not at all battle royale-like

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    Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    CS has always been a team objective-based game, not at all battle royale-like

    Counter-Strike is in my mind one of the big reasons tastes in FPS games shifted away from arena shooter death matches to more realistic settings with team focuses back in the 2000s.

    Big Dookie wrote: »
    I found that tilting it doesn't work very well, and once I started jerking it, I got much better results.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Oh hey, CS:GO is free-to-play now.

    And has a battle royale mode now.

    Now? I thought that was always the point.

    Nah, it's been a paid product up until now.

    TF2 and DotA2 are historically Valve's F2P games.

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    SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    I've never understood anyone complaining about things like that in gaming.

    Developer: "You can play as a female solider in CoD now!"
    Dumb gamer: "Ugh, SJWs ruining CoD now! Women haven't been able to participate in combat until 2013. Since then, only a handful have even graduated Marine training and haven't been assigned to full duty active squads yet. Realistically, women should be not be an available soldier option in a modernized USA military. Now excuse while I restore health by hiding behind this rock."

    There are outliers of course, but most people have an instinctive distaste towards murdering women in first person shooters. Valve looked into this years ago and it is the reason why even after the artstyle was redesigned to be cartoonish there are no female characters in Team Fortress 2. Remember when Tomb Raider 2013 was released and it featured a female protagonist that was put into the exact same dangerous situations that your average brown haired white male dudebro character would normally be put in?

    The internet pooped its pampers and called it "torture porn".

    If you want women in action games that's cool, but don't get all weird when they start getting shot/stabbed/blown up/lit on fire/etc.

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    NotoriusBENNotoriusBEN Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    I've never understood anyone complaining about things like that in gaming.

    Developer: "You can play as a female solider in CoD now!"
    Dumb gamer: "Ugh, SJWs ruining CoD now! Women haven't been able to participate in combat until 2013. Since then, only a handful have even graduated Marine training and haven't been assigned to full duty active squads yet. Realistically, women should be not be an available soldier option in a modernized USA military. Now excuse while I restore health by hiding behind this rock."

    There are outliers of course, but most people have an instinctive distaste towards murdering women in first person shooters. Valve looked into this years ago and it is the reason why even after the artstyle was redesigned to be cartoonish there are no female characters in Team Fortress 2. Remember when Tomb Raider 2013 was released and it featured a female protagonist that was put into the exact same dangerous situations that your average brown haired white male dudebro character would normally be put in?

    The internet pooped its pampers and called it "torture porn".

    If you want women in action games that's cool, but don't get all weird when they start getting shot/stabbed/blown up/lit on fire/etc.

    Gender Equality and all that...

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    SoundsPlushSoundsPlush yup, back. Registered User regular
    The reaction to Tomb Raider's death scenes had less to do with Lara being a woman (wasn't a problem in Silent Hills or Resident Evils) so much as the array of gory B-movie deaths (like watching Lara getting impaled through the neck and struggling for a few seconds before dying) seeming jarring in a franchise that never featured anything so gruesome and which were typically reserved for horror games. No one's surprised when Chris or Sheva get chainsawed in half, but if Crash Bandicoot gets his entrails devoured it's going to be a twist.

    Anyway, I can't find a link about the Valve thing—all I'm getting is some concept art a Valve employee pitched awhile back with no reason on why they didn't use it—but either way, it doesn't seem to be a problem. It certainly hasn't hurt Overwatch, where half the cast are lay-deez who are occasionally shot at.

    Seems like it'd be even less of a problem in a realistic modern military shooter, where gore is mild and fatigues/gear make everyone look indistinguishable to begin with. I barely register appearance to even remember whether I've run into the same person or not without the nametag proclaiming another fated duel with xXxIcyBlaze420xXx.

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    I've never understood anyone complaining about things like that in gaming.

    Developer: "You can play as a female solider in CoD now!"
    Dumb gamer: "Ugh, SJWs ruining CoD now! Women haven't been able to participate in combat until 2013. Since then, only a handful have even graduated Marine training and haven't been assigned to full duty active squads yet. Realistically, women should be not be an available soldier option in a modernized USA military. Now excuse while I restore health by hiding behind this rock."

    There are outliers of course, but most people have an instinctive distaste towards murdering women in first person shooters. Valve looked into this years ago and it is the reason why even after the artstyle was redesigned to be cartoonish there are no female characters in Team Fortress 2. Remember when Tomb Raider 2013 was released and it featured a female protagonist that was put into the exact same dangerous situations that your average brown haired white male dudebro character would normally be put in?

    The internet pooped its pampers and called it "torture porn".

    If you want women in action games that's cool, but don't get all weird when they start getting shot/stabbed/blown up/lit on fire/etc.

    I dunno, guy or girl some of the deaths in Tomb Raider were pretty graphic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qfDiULrnjI

    It wasn't just because she was a girl.

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    KalnaurKalnaur I See Rain . . . Centralia, WARegistered User regular
    The reaction to Tomb Raider's death scenes had less to do with Lara being a woman (wasn't a problem in Silent Hills or Resident Evils) so much as the array of gory B-movie deaths (like watching Lara getting impaled through the neck and struggling for a few seconds before dying) seeming jarring in a franchise that never featured anything so gruesome and which were typically reserved for horror games. No one's surprised when Chris or Sheva get chainsawed in half, but if Crash Bandicoot gets his entrails devoured it's going to be a twist.

    Anyway, I can't find a link about the Valve thing—all I'm getting is some concept art a Valve employee pitched awhile back with no reason on why they didn't use it—but either way, it doesn't seem to be a problem. It certainly hasn't hurt Overwatch, where half the cast are lay-deez who are occasionally shot at.

    Seems like it'd be even less of a problem in a realistic modern military shooter, where gore is mild and fatigues/gear make everyone look indistinguishable to begin with. I barely register appearance to even remember whether I've run into the same person or not without the nametag proclaiming another fated duel with xXxIcyBlaze420xXx.

    There were male and female enemies in BioShock, as well. Actually a goodly amount of recent games I've played with shooter elements have both female and male enemies, though dudes still seem to be the default in that respect.

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    baudattitudebaudattitude Registered User regular
    Activision isn't particularly squeamish about violence against women, either.

    CODBLOPS 3 had a woman antagonist. In the space of your typical six hour COD campaign, you murder her brother, then cut off her hand because you need it to open a door and eventually kill her by holding her head in an open flame and burning her alive, all in glorious close-up.

    If there was ever a game for the "problematic" crowd to focus on, that would have been it.

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    Pixelated PixiePixelated Pixie They/Them Registered User regular
    I dunno, guy or girl some of the deaths in Tomb Raider were pretty graphic.

    And it was glorious. :D



    I have sooo many screenshots...

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited December 2018
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    I've never understood anyone complaining about things like that in gaming.

    Developer: "You can play as a female solider in CoD now!"
    Dumb gamer: "Ugh, SJWs ruining CoD now! Women haven't been able to participate in combat until 2013. Since then, only a handful have even graduated Marine training and haven't been assigned to full duty active squads yet. Realistically, women should be not be an available soldier option in a modernized USA military. Now excuse while I restore health by hiding behind this rock."

    There are outliers of course, but most people have an instinctive distaste towards murdering women in first person shooters. Valve looked into this years ago and it is the reason why even after the artstyle was redesigned to be cartoonish there are no female characters in Team Fortress 2. Remember when Tomb Raider 2013 was released and it featured a female protagonist that was put into the exact same dangerous situations that your average brown haired white male dudebro character would normally be put in?

    The internet pooped its pampers and called it "torture porn".

    If you want women in action games that's cool, but don't get all weird when they start getting shot/stabbed/blown up/lit on fire/etc.

    Gee, why would people have a problem with media creating fetishistic imagery of violence committed against women? Could it possibly have to do with how women are treated in the real world? That these sorts of messages that are pervasive within the media that we consume become internalized and both encourage us to behave in shitty ways and also act as cover to excuse the behavior, such as the decades of portraying sexual harassment and assault as how you just get a girl to like you?

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    cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    Valve is already shook because why else would they have changed the profit sharing percentages recently?

    I say good. When Epic is out there saying "Boy, people sure like giving us money for Fortnite! We're gonna give it back to creators and also break down our store costs compared to other stores" and Valve is just a black box, you're damn right I'm into it.

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    Werewolf2000adWerewolf2000ad Suckers, I know exactly what went wrong. Registered User regular
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    KalnaurKalnaur I See Rain . . . Centralia, WARegistered User regular
    Have you ever started a game and, via the tutorial, known that there was going to be a point that the game would make you rage-quit? So, I retired Dustforce today.

    Also, totally unrelated question, how quick is the Humble Support when it comes to refunds and incorrect billing amounts and the like?

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    Kalnaur wrote: »
    Have you ever started a game and, via the tutorial, known that there was going to be a point that the game would make you rage-quit? So, I retired Dustforce today.

    Also, totally unrelated question, how quick is the Humble Support when it comes to refunds and incorrect billing amounts and the like?
    The first bunch of levels are actually easier than the tutorials, and I swear once you get familiar with the movement system it feels great!

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    SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    Not on Steam (yet), but did you all see that Supergiant gave everyone a surprise announce for a new game in early access on Epic's site?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=593xCDfumN0
    Kalnaur wrote: »
    Have you ever started a game and, via the tutorial, known that there was going to be a point that the game would make you rage-quit? So, I retired Dustforce today.

    As much as I enjoy games like Super Meat Boy, Dustforce kind of had this effect on me too. I wanted to like it; the game's style is great! But I decided it was probably more complicated than I wanted it to be, plus I remember there being something weird about configuring the controls. Maybe I'll come back to it one day.

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    baudattitudebaudattitude Registered User regular
    Kalnaur wrote: »
    Have you ever started a game and, via the tutorial, known that there was going to be a point that the game would make you rage-quit? So, I retired Dustforce today.

    Also, totally unrelated question, how quick is the Humble Support when it comes to refunds and incorrect billing amounts and the like?

    Bought Mirror's Edge on console and again on Origin. Couldn't even get through the tutorial on either. Figured it was a sign.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Kalnaur wrote: »
    Have you ever started a game and, via the tutorial, known that there was going to be a point that the game would make you rage-quit? So, I retired Dustforce today.

    Also, totally unrelated question, how quick is the Humble Support when it comes to refunds and incorrect billing amounts and the like?

    Bought Mirror's Edge on console and again on Origin. Couldn't even get through the tutorial on either. Figured it was a sign.

    Couldn't get through, why?

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    Oh hey.

    https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/product/journey/home

    Journey on PC. Epic really is making a push to be the new Steam, huh.

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    KalnaurKalnaur I See Rain . . . Centralia, WARegistered User regular
    cB557 wrote: »
    Kalnaur wrote: »
    Have you ever started a game and, via the tutorial, known that there was going to be a point that the game would make you rage-quit? So, I retired Dustforce today.

    Also, totally unrelated question, how quick is the Humble Support when it comes to refunds and incorrect billing amounts and the like?
    The first bunch of levels are actually easier than the tutorials, and I swear once you get familiar with the movement system it feels great!

    I actually got the first, already unlocked levels done, full circle round, but when I started on the bronze key levels I started having lots of issues, and by the time I got to one in the castle-like area, I knew I had had enough. The traversal reminds me a lot of the original Sonic in that when the traversal worked it was lovely, but it wasn't made for someone as trigger finger as me; I'm the person that lands on a platform and sort of jumps like, three more times and off I go. Precision jumping/platforming has never worked out particularly well for me.

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