Pelosi and Schumer urged the president in Tuesday’s meeting not to pursue a shutdown and instead take a deal that would provide $1.3 billion for border fencing by extending current levels of funding.
Sorry, explain to me why we stan our woke queen?
Are we going to go after the 1.3 billion that has specific limitations for it not to be used on a wall and are mostly to repair fencing and such that exists already? That is what this is. It was already in the budget for last year as well. Funny bit that Schumer even pointed out, DHS hasn't even spent it.
Do you have a link handy? This is the second reference I've seen to the $1.3B that made it seem like a new proposal by Schumer.
Border wall: The bill provides $1.6 billion for barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border but with serious strings attached. Of the total, $251 million is earmarked specifically for “secondary fencing” near San Diego, where fencing is already in place; $445 million is for no more than 25 miles of “levee fencing”; $196 million is for “primary pedestrian fencing” in the Rio Grande Valley; $445 million is for the replacement of existing fencing in that area; and the rest is for planning, design and technology — not for wall construction. The biggest catch is this: The barriers authorized to be built under the act must be “operationally effective designs” already deployed as of last March, meaning none of President Trump’s big, beautiful wall prototypes can be built.
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I still feel like I'm missing something, because the February budget deal includes $1.3B for border security (but no capital-W 'Wall'), increased military spending, and a relative cut to nonmilitary government wages (1.9% increase vs 2.4% for military), and since then the Dems made gains in the House, and it seems that folks are celebrating that Pelosi and Schumer didn't give Trump even more since then
I still feel like I'm missing something, because the February budget deal includes $1.3B for border security (but no capital-W 'Wall'), increased military spending, and a relative cut to nonmilitary government wages (1.9% increase vs 2.4% for military), and since then the Dems made gains in the House, and it seems that folks are celebrating that Pelosi and Schumer didn't give Trump even more since then
Dems don't control the legislative process for another few weeks. But when it comes down to it, a small payment for general use border security is worth doing verse a government shutdown which will cost a lot more and hurt a lot more people across the wage spectrum.
In other bits, that wage increase was an override of Trump who wanted to give no increase. And overall civilian wages in the government have been mostly flat for the last decade. Like not a small with inflation increase but an actual no increase.
Military spending is not part of any of these negotiations as that appropriation bill was signed already.
Framing it as "giving" him anything is interesting
Why isn't it framed as them holding the line on what was passed before in the GOP controlled Congress? That's what a clean CR is. They are refusing to agree to vote for what Trump wants now, yes, and he told them he's fine shutting down the government over it.
Your original post implied they had caved and agreed to more funding for the wall. This isn't the case.
Pelosi and Schumer urged the president in Tuesday’s meeting not to pursue a shutdown and instead take a deal that would provide $1.3 billion for border fencing by extending current levels of funding.
Sorry, explain to me why we stan our woke queen?
I do not speak this language.
"Explain to me why we are so enthusiastically in favor of this public figure who typifies socially aware behavior?'
(I took a year of Buzzfeed in college.)
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I still feel like I'm missing something, because the February budget deal includes $1.3B for border security (but no capital-W 'Wall'), increased military spending, and a relative cut to nonmilitary government wages (1.9% increase vs 2.4% for military), and since then the Dems made gains in the House, and it seems that folks are celebrating that Pelosi and Schumer didn't give Trump even more since then
Democrats haven't made gains in the House. This is still the 115th Congress.
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I still feel like I'm missing something, because the February budget deal includes $1.3B for border security (but no capital-W 'Wall'), increased military spending, and a relative cut to nonmilitary government wages (1.9% increase vs 2.4% for military), and since then the Dems made gains in the House, and it seems that folks are celebrating that Pelosi and Schumer didn't give Trump even more since then
Democrats haven't made gains in the House. This is still the 115th Congress.
I meant in terms of a popular mandate. If Trump wants to bully the Dems, he's in a worse position to do so now than before the election, so why would there be any expectation that Democratic leadership would give in to any pressure?
I still feel like I'm missing something, because the February budget deal includes $1.3B for border security (but no capital-W 'Wall'), increased military spending, and a relative cut to nonmilitary government wages (1.9% increase vs 2.4% for military), and since then the Dems made gains in the House, and it seems that folks are celebrating that Pelosi and Schumer didn't give Trump even more since then
Democrats haven't made gains in the House. This is still the 115th Congress.
I meant in terms of a popular mandate. If Trump wants to bully the Dems, he's in a worse position to do so now than before the election, so why would there be any expectation that Democratic leadership would give in to any pressure?
Because Trump is incapable of even slightly admitting he lost.
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I still feel like I'm missing something, because the February budget deal includes $1.3B for border security (but no capital-W 'Wall'), increased military spending, and a relative cut to nonmilitary government wages (1.9% increase vs 2.4% for military), and since then the Dems made gains in the House, and it seems that folks are celebrating that Pelosi and Schumer didn't give Trump even more since then
Democrats haven't made gains in the House. This is still the 115th Congress.
I meant in terms of a popular mandate. If Trump wants to bully the Dems, he's in a worse position to do so now than before the election, so why would there be any expectation that Democratic leadership would give in to any pressure?
Because it turns out that "by popular mandate" means nothing to the party currently in power.
"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
This is "I totally won the popular vote, guys" or "it's a tremendous achievement to win Senate seats in deep red states" Trump we're talking about here, facts don't matter: winning does.
I still feel like I'm missing something, because the February budget deal includes $1.3B for border security (but no capital-W 'Wall'), increased military spending, and a relative cut to nonmilitary government wages (1.9% increase vs 2.4% for military), and since then the Dems made gains in the House, and it seems that folks are celebrating that Pelosi and Schumer didn't give Trump even more since then
Democrats haven't made gains in the House. This is still the 115th Congress.
I meant in terms of a popular mandate. If Trump wants to bully the Dems, he's in a worse position to do so now than before the election, so why would there be any expectation that Democratic leadership would give in to any pressure?
Trump lacks object permanence.
He literally brought up holding the Senate during that presser.
I still feel like I'm missing something, because the February budget deal includes $1.3B for border security (but no capital-W 'Wall'), increased military spending, and a relative cut to nonmilitary government wages (1.9% increase vs 2.4% for military), and since then the Dems made gains in the House, and it seems that folks are celebrating that Pelosi and Schumer didn't give Trump even more since then
Democrats haven't made gains in the House. This is still the 115th Congress.
I meant in terms of a popular mandate. If Trump wants to bully the Dems, he's in a worse position to do so now than before the election, so why would there be any expectation that Democratic leadership would give in to any pressure?
Trump lacks object permanence.
He literally brought up holding the Senate during that presser.
It’s been reported once or twice so far, but apparently Trump is pissed at the media because they keep focusing on how the Democrats won 40 seats in the House, but they “ignore” the gains the Republicans had in the Senate.
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I still feel like I'm missing something, because the February budget deal includes $1.3B for border security (but no capital-W 'Wall'), increased military spending, and a relative cut to nonmilitary government wages (1.9% increase vs 2.4% for military), and since then the Dems made gains in the House, and it seems that folks are celebrating that Pelosi and Schumer didn't give Trump even more since then
Democrats haven't made gains in the House. This is still the 115th Congress.
I meant in terms of a popular mandate. If Trump wants to bully the Dems, he's in a worse position to do so now than before the election, so why would there be any expectation that Democratic leadership would give in to any pressure?
Because Trump is incapable of even slightly admitting he lost.
That has nothing to do with it, though. The question is whether the fault for a shutdown would go to the Dems or not.
So a thought occurs to me about how they can get trump to roll over on this super fast: In the event of a government shutdown all governement agencies are effectively operating without pay and thus a lot of these people won't work because well, why would you for an IOU?
Which means that Trumps favorite federal agency (ICE) effectively ceases to function.
Just in time for the caravan he's been fear mongering over to arrive at the border.
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I still feel like I'm missing something, because the February budget deal includes $1.3B for border security (but no capital-W 'Wall'), increased military spending, and a relative cut to nonmilitary government wages (1.9% increase vs 2.4% for military), and since then the Dems made gains in the House, and it seems that folks are celebrating that Pelosi and Schumer didn't give Trump even more since then
Democrats haven't made gains in the House. This is still the 115th Congress.
I meant in terms of a popular mandate. If Trump wants to bully the Dems, he's in a worse position to do so now than before the election, so why would there be any expectation that Democratic leadership would give in to any pressure?
Because Trump is incapable of even slightly admitting he lost.
That has nothing to do with it, though. The question is whether the fault for a shutdown would go to the Dems or not.
That's why it's important to propose exactly what was already passed, because if anything changes it'll be Pelosi's Shutdown.
If nothing changes except for the fact that this time Trump won't sign it, it's Trump's Shutdown.
I still feel like I'm missing something, because the February budget deal includes $1.3B for border security (but no capital-W 'Wall'), increased military spending, and a relative cut to nonmilitary government wages (1.9% increase vs 2.4% for military), and since then the Dems made gains in the House, and it seems that folks are celebrating that Pelosi and Schumer didn't give Trump even more since then
Democrats haven't made gains in the House. This is still the 115th Congress.
I meant in terms of a popular mandate. If Trump wants to bully the Dems, he's in a worse position to do so now than before the election, so why would there be any expectation that Democratic leadership would give in to any pressure?
Because Trump is incapable of even slightly admitting he lost.
That has nothing to do with it, though. The question is whether the fault for a shutdown would go to the Dems or not.
No, it wouldn't. Trump has already claimed credit for it.
"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
So a thought occurs to me about how they can get trump to roll over on this super fast: In the event of a government shutdown all governement agencies are effectively operating without pay and thus a lot of these people won't work because well, why would you for an IOU?
Which means that Trumps favorite federal agency (ICE) effectively ceases to function.
Just in time for the caravan he's been fear mongering over to arrive at the border.
Sadly this isn't really how it works.
ICE and a lot of DHS are considered exempt and must report without pay or they can be fired for being a no show. This also includes a lot of FEMA, TSA, Coast Guard, and the Border Patrol. So his favorite agency is still working but for no pay. Which probably won't help his popularity with them if they even blame him.
What it will also do is back up stuff like the immigration courts and processes even more than it is under his watch making people wait longer to have their case heard but I am pretty sure immigration judges are not exempt.
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So a thought occurs to me about how they can get trump to roll over on this super fast: In the event of a government shutdown all governement agencies are effectively operating without pay and thus a lot of these people won't work because well, why would you for an IOU?
Which means that Trumps favorite federal agency (ICE) effectively ceases to function.
Just in time for the caravan he's been fear mongering over to arrive at the border.
Sadly this isn't really how it works.
ICE and a lot of DHS are considered exempt and must report without pay or they can be fired for being a no show. This also includes a lot of FEMA, TSA, Coast Guard, and the Border Patrol. So his favorite agency is still working but for no pay. Which probably won't help his popularity with them if they even blame him.
What it will also do is back up stuff like the immigration courts and processes even more than it is under his watch making people wait longer to have their case heard but I am pretty sure immigration judges are not exempt.
So a thought occurs to me about how they can get trump to roll over on this super fast: In the event of a government shutdown all governement agencies are effectively operating without pay and thus a lot of these people won't work because well, why would you for an IOU?
Which means that Trumps favorite federal agency (ICE) effectively ceases to function.
Just in time for the caravan he's been fear mongering over to arrive at the border.
Sadly this isn't really how it works.
ICE and a lot of DHS are considered exempt and must report without pay or they can be fired for being a no show. This also includes a lot of FEMA, TSA, Coast Guard, and the Border Patrol. So his favorite agency is still working but for no pay. Which probably won't help his popularity with them if they even blame him.
What it will also do is back up stuff like the immigration courts and processes even more than it is under his watch making people wait longer to have their case heard but I am pretty sure immigration judges are not exempt.
Also, it's not that a lot of Government employees don't want to work for an IOU and so won't show up. They are legally barred from working without lawful appropriations allowing them to. Checking your work email during a shutdown is technically a felony.
Though, not all of DHS is "Essential" and Trump doesn't understand how any of this works, so you could probably still catch him with something sophmoric.
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edited December 2018
For those that are interested, here is some local NZ news station reporting on the shutdown.
So I gather the House GOP leadership was going to try to put Senate Democrats on the spot by passing a bill that funded Trump's shitty wall. Problem is Ryan still hasn't learned to count and it's looking unlikely that they'll get the numbers needed to make it happen between low morale and people leaving town because of the holidays. I was hoping to find someone other than politico as a source, but yeah, they pretty much failed, as expected.
Democrats are pretty much forced to wait for GOP leadership to put up a bill for votes and I gather the GOP is waiting on Trump. Also those that have left town, won't be back until the 19. So there is probably going to be a partial government shutdown if Trump doesn't back down in the next week. I don't think there are enough responsible republicans that would consider rebuking Trump and overriding a veto. Only way they probably get something though a Trump tantrum is to pass something the democrats will back, get Trump to veto it ASAP and then override said veto. Problem is, even if they go that route, it's looking quite possible that Trump will throw a tantrum and then pout away in his room, while not doing anything and IIRC the timeline might line up to allow a pocket veto to happen (if the GOP leadership decides to be petty, they could adjourn and not have someone to receive a vetoed or unsigned bill, granted not sure how things play out if things line up so the time expires in the next Congress because Sundays aren't counted, so it could be 11 or 12 days). We certainly don't time for the clock to tick out on a bill that just gets ignored since that's going to be 11-12 days for the clock to finish counting down and we have less than 7. Either way the smart play would be to pass something now that can get passed and hope Trump blinks, which given his past record, might not be a bad play. Can always hope if he doesn't blink, that he immediately vetoes in a tantrum and then try to get the votes needed before the deadline.
Donald J. Trump is somehow still the president of the United States
Remember when Trump said that he'd take the mantle of this government shutdown? Well, not so much.
Also kind of destroying his own argument that Democrats want open borders with this video, but that's more for the immigration thread.
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What an awful, awful video. Not just from the content, but the way it's edited, the quick cuts from statements with no subtext, the police siren during the last statement from Trump, it's just a bad production job.
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That's the longest Trump has held a conviction in his presidency. It took him 3 days instead of 1 to turn around from "Yeah I wanna shut it down" to "nuh uh it's the Dems."
That's the longest Trump has held a conviction in his presidency. It took him 3 days instead of 1 to turn around from "Yeah I wanna shut it down" to "nuh uh it's the Dems."
and in that meeting, he knew he needed 60 votes in the senate AND that he did not have the requisite 60 votes!
at this rate, he'll be a halfway decent president around the time of the heat death of the universe!
That's the longest Trump has held a conviction in his presidency. It took him 3 days instead of 1 to turn around from "Yeah I wanna shut it down" to "nuh uh it's the Dems."
and in that meeting, he knew he needed 60 votes in the senate AND that he did not have the requisite 60 votes!
at this rate, he'll be a halfway decent president around the time of the heat death of the universe!
A little optimistic.
If the Universe is indeed cyclical, maybe give him a couple of crunches as handicap
Trump has a mental condition that causes him to say whatever he believes will most aggrandize or least humiliate him in that precise moment, with absolutely no regard for the truth or continuity with previous statements.
We all know this, but it is worth reminding ourselves because there's some part of our primate brain that wants to treat him just like any other normal member of society.
Donald J. Trump is somehow still the president of the United States
Remember when Trump said that he'd take the mantle of this government shutdown? Well, not so much.
Also kind of destroying his own argument that Democrats want open borders with this video, but that's more for the immigration thread.
So basically it took a few days but Trump's staff finally convinced him he done did a stupid and now they are hastily trying to fix it but they are fucking incompetent at their jobs, as usual, so it looks like something thrown together by high schoolers during lunch right before the video was due in the afternoon.
So I gather the House GOP leadership was going to try to put Senate Democrats on the spot by passing a bill that funded Trump's shitty wall. Problem is Ryan still hasn't learned to count and it's looking unlikely that they'll get the numbers needed to make it happen between low morale and people leaving town because of the holidays. I was hoping to find someone other than politico as a source, but yeah, they pretty much failed, as expected.
Democrats are pretty much forced to wait for GOP leadership to put up a bill for votes and I gather the GOP is waiting on Trump. Also those that have left town, won't be back until the 19. So there is probably going to be a partial government shutdown if Trump doesn't back down in the next week. I don't think there are enough responsible republicans that would consider rebuking Trump and overriding a veto. Only way they probably get something though a Trump tantrum is to pass something the democrats will back, get Trump to veto it ASAP and then override said veto. Problem is, even if they go that route, it's looking quite possible that Trump will throw a tantrum and then pout away in his room, while not doing anything and IIRC the timeline might line up to allow a pocket veto to happen (if the GOP leadership decides to be petty, they could adjourn and not have someone to receive a vetoed or unsigned bill, granted not sure how things play out if things line up so the time expires in the next Congress because Sundays aren't counted, so it could be 11 or 12 days). We certainly don't time for the clock to tick out on a bill that just gets ignored since that's going to be 11-12 days for the clock to finish counting down and we have less than 7. Either way the smart play would be to pass something now that can get passed and hope Trump blinks, which given his past record, might not be a bad play. Can always hope if he doesn't blink, that he immediately vetoes in a tantrum and then try to get the votes needed before the deadline.
This is why Pelosi is good at her job: she can count. She kept telling Trump this shit during his on-camera meltdown. They don't have the votes in the House.
Donald J. Trump is somehow still the president of the United States
Remember when Trump said that he'd take the mantle of this government shutdown? Well, not so much.
Also kind of destroying his own argument that Democrats want open borders with this video, but that's more for the immigration thread.
So basically it took a few days but Trump's staff finally convinced him he done did a stupid and now they are hastily trying to fix it but they are fucking incompetent at their jobs, as usual, so it looks like something thrown together by high schoolers during lunch right before the video was due in the afternoon.
how sure are we it wasn't thrown together by high schoolers during lunch right before it was due?
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I like how none of this would be an issue if trump would just let go of his stupid vanity project that everyone with half a brain has said won't actually work.
I mean he can't of course since even if he was capable of humility, the fact is he campaigned on building the wall and that without it his first two years have effectively accomplished nothing constructive for the american people.
Alternately: Pelosi could turn around and advise trump to either raise taxes on the wealthy to cover the cost of the wall (and other assorted issues of national security) and/or redirect some of the extra funds he allocated to the military to it's construction by designating it as a defensive fortification.
Because yeah: This is a luxury the US can do without.
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I like how none of this would be an issue if trump would just let go of his stupid vanity project that everyone with half a brain has said won't actually work.
I mean he can't of course since even if he was capable of humility, the fact is he campaigned on building the wall and that without it his first two years have effectively accomplished nothing constructive for the american people.
But it doesn’t accomplish anything constructive for the American people, so that doesn’t change no matter what
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edited December 2018
And judging by how the administration handled appropriated money for Puerto Rico and DHS hiring, $5 billion for the wall would most likely end up mostly in the hands of Trump-connected 3rd-party contractors, with a few miles of cinder blocks and "No Trespassing" signs to show for it.
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Dems don't control the legislative process for another few weeks. But when it comes down to it, a small payment for general use border security is worth doing verse a government shutdown which will cost a lot more and hurt a lot more people across the wage spectrum.
In other bits, that wage increase was an override of Trump who wanted to give no increase. And overall civilian wages in the government have been mostly flat for the last decade. Like not a small with inflation increase but an actual no increase.
Military spending is not part of any of these negotiations as that appropriation bill was signed already.
Why isn't it framed as them holding the line on what was passed before in the GOP controlled Congress? That's what a clean CR is. They are refusing to agree to vote for what Trump wants now, yes, and he told them he's fine shutting down the government over it.
Your original post implied they had caved and agreed to more funding for the wall. This isn't the case.
"Explain to me why we are so enthusiastically in favor of this public figure who typifies socially aware behavior?'
(I took a year of Buzzfeed in college.)
Democrats haven't made gains in the House. This is still the 115th Congress.
I meant in terms of a popular mandate. If Trump wants to bully the Dems, he's in a worse position to do so now than before the election, so why would there be any expectation that Democratic leadership would give in to any pressure?
Because Trump is incapable of even slightly admitting he lost.
Because it turns out that "by popular mandate" means nothing to the party currently in power.
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Trump lacks object permanence.
He literally brought up holding the Senate during that presser.
It’s been reported once or twice so far, but apparently Trump is pissed at the media because they keep focusing on how the Democrats won 40 seats in the House, but they “ignore” the gains the Republicans had in the Senate.
That has nothing to do with it, though. The question is whether the fault for a shutdown would go to the Dems or not.
Which means that Trumps favorite federal agency (ICE) effectively ceases to function.
Just in time for the caravan he's been fear mongering over to arrive at the border.
If nothing changes except for the fact that this time Trump won't sign it, it's Trump's Shutdown.
No, it wouldn't. Trump has already claimed credit for it.
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Sadly this isn't really how it works.
ICE and a lot of DHS are considered exempt and must report without pay or they can be fired for being a no show. This also includes a lot of FEMA, TSA, Coast Guard, and the Border Patrol. So his favorite agency is still working but for no pay. Which probably won't help his popularity with them if they even blame him.
What it will also do is back up stuff like the immigration courts and processes even more than it is under his watch making people wait longer to have their case heard but I am pretty sure immigration judges are not exempt.
WTF I love the government shutdown now
Also, it's not that a lot of Government employees don't want to work for an IOU and so won't show up. They are legally barred from working without lawful appropriations allowing them to. Checking your work email during a shutdown is technically a felony.
Though, not all of DHS is "Essential" and Trump doesn't understand how any of this works, so you could probably still catch him with something sophmoric.
RNZ is Radio New Zealand, a mainstream news org (even though it's on the telley. Video killed the radio star and then assumed it's identity?)
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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Out of curiosity, do Air Force One and Marine One keep going as per normal in the event of a shut-down?
Basically, is Trump going to find himself unable to go golfing?
DoD already has it's appropriations.
Clearly laughing with him :rotate:
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USDA should get through sometime this week, so it'll be 6/12 Appropriations Bills below agriculture that need to get continued.
Democrats are pretty much forced to wait for GOP leadership to put up a bill for votes and I gather the GOP is waiting on Trump. Also those that have left town, won't be back until the 19. So there is probably going to be a partial government shutdown if Trump doesn't back down in the next week. I don't think there are enough responsible republicans that would consider rebuking Trump and overriding a veto. Only way they probably get something though a Trump tantrum is to pass something the democrats will back, get Trump to veto it ASAP and then override said veto. Problem is, even if they go that route, it's looking quite possible that Trump will throw a tantrum and then pout away in his room, while not doing anything and IIRC the timeline might line up to allow a pocket veto to happen (if the GOP leadership decides to be petty, they could adjourn and not have someone to receive a vetoed or unsigned bill, granted not sure how things play out if things line up so the time expires in the next Congress because Sundays aren't counted, so it could be 11 or 12 days). We certainly don't time for the clock to tick out on a bill that just gets ignored since that's going to be 11-12 days for the clock to finish counting down and we have less than 7. Either way the smart play would be to pass something now that can get passed and hope Trump blinks, which given his past record, might not be a bad play. Can always hope if he doesn't blink, that he immediately vetoes in a tantrum and then try to get the votes needed before the deadline.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Donald J. Trump is somehow still the president of the United States
Remember when Trump said that he'd take the mantle of this government shutdown? Well, not so much.
Also kind of destroying his own argument that Democrats want open borders with this video, but that's more for the immigration thread.
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and in that meeting, he knew he needed 60 votes in the senate AND that he did not have the requisite 60 votes!
at this rate, he'll be a halfway decent president around the time of the heat death of the universe!
Pelosi: "Okay, it's your shutdown."
Trump: "WHAT!? It's not MY shutdown!!"
Yeah, that did have a bit of "rabbit season, duck season" to it.
A little optimistic.
If the Universe is indeed cyclical, maybe give him a couple of crunches as handicap
We all know this, but it is worth reminding ourselves because there's some part of our primate brain that wants to treat him just like any other normal member of society.
So basically it took a few days but Trump's staff finally convinced him he done did a stupid and now they are hastily trying to fix it but they are fucking incompetent at their jobs, as usual, so it looks like something thrown together by high schoolers during lunch right before the video was due in the afternoon.
This is why Pelosi is good at her job: she can count. She kept telling Trump this shit during his on-camera meltdown. They don't have the votes in the House.
how sure are we it wasn't thrown together by high schoolers during lunch right before it was due?
I mean he can't of course since even if he was capable of humility, the fact is he campaigned on building the wall and that without it his first two years have effectively accomplished nothing constructive for the american people.
Because yeah: This is a luxury the US can do without.
But it doesn’t accomplish anything constructive for the American people, so that doesn’t change no matter what