According to the trailer Carmen Sandiego only steals from other thieves, making her morally okay in TV terms.
I was with it until we got to that part. CS isn't a that kind of character. She's a time traveling super thief who steals only the most valuable artifacts (and monuments) from all over the world. Why bother calling it Carmen Sandiego if it's not going to be that character. I know I'm not the target audience for this show, but who is? The only people who would recognize that character design and name are old enough to remember how different this new character is.
I'm not sure Carmen Sandiego ever really had much of a character? She's just always kind of been presented as a high-end thief that likes to tease people with clues.
It makes perfect sense to me that they'd turn her into a more of a protagonist.
I liked Season 3 of Travelers a lot more than season 2, though not as much as season 1.
I hope it gets renewed for a 4th season as I'm very curious where it goes.
Though one thing didn't make sense to me at the very end of the season:
The whole Protocol Omega thing: how can the Director abandon a timeline?
Not morally or anything; like how is it physically possible?
My understanding, based on admittedly fuzzy memories, was the Traveler 001 went back as far as the Director could send him within the limitations of the technology and that some other limitation of the tech prevented it sending anyone back except in numerical order (so 002 has to be later than 001 etc).
So if it wanted to abandon a timeline and try again...how would it? Send someone back to the near past before 001 went out and have them give it information?
Or was that whole thing just a lie to orchestrate them sending the dude back further into the past? In which case, if it couldn't actually try again, why did the protocol exist in the first place?
It's a lot simpler than that, though the events surrounding it were BULLSHIT (Travelers season 3 spoilers, finale mostly):
Omega is just no more touching the timeline. It doesn't have to do anything, it just stops. Things happen from that point onward as they will with no travelers changing things.
It kicks this off by letting David die which Marcy had the proper reaction to; fuck you computer.
And now they are ALL dead except Mac so. Maybe the faction had a point.
It also seemed written to end things or at least they wrote themselves into a shitty corner to get out of.
I'm almost certain I remember in the explanation of what Protocol Omega means someone saying that the Director was abandoning this timeline and starting over.
But maybe I imagined that.
'Abandoning the timeline' seems like a very odd way to say, 'shutting down the Traveler program' either way.
The next season is obviously going to be a total reboot, probably with a whole new cast. Kinda excited about that, actually.
I'm going to guess the whole "Cant send a traveler further back than the previous one" isnt actually a technical limitation, but a limitation in the way time works. When a traveler is sent to a time later than the last traveler it is still on the same timeline, but if a traveler is sent back even further it creates a whole new timeline.
Apparently Netflix took over production for Season 3, so what happens now is entirely in Netflix's hands.
Seems like a good negotiation tactic.
So basically all your characters are dead now, but we might bring them back if we reach an agreement in the salary negotiations.
Anywho, Xeddicus makes a fair complaint. Depends on your point of view I guess. If we see this as Mac's story, the story just continues even if the timeline changes. But if you're more invested in the rest of the cast and the world, it certainly seems like they just rendered all three seasons meaningless.
It could be that the Director knew that if it told our plucky time travelers that it was abandoning them they would send Mac back to before 001. The Director couldn't reset the timeline directly because it was programmed to not be able to, but it needed the timeline reset to try again. Killing David in the way it did was the only way to drive them to the point of desperation to do what they did.
I get the complaint about making the previous story meaningless. Resetting the timeline is the third rail of time travel stories. I can only stomach once if it's done well, and I am optimistic that the writers can pull this off.
Travelers:
It can totally reset the timeline if it wants. It did that half a dozen or so times just to save Mac's team.
So it could have just said "Hey, go back and stop 001 from ever being sent back.". So really this looks really bad for the Director.
Unless, and this won't be the case, but 001 didn't really DO anything for awhile right? So nothing changes (what are they going to do about Helios without Traveler tech?) except Mac is around sooner!
Not going to happen, but everything being gone is just sigh.
Did it?
The closest I can recall is the episode where they were trying to stop a team from doing...something...at a lake out in the country and kept failing and getting killed, so the Director sent back Travelers into basically every person who was in the vicinity - two of whom were skydiving at the time - within seconds of one another. They all manipulated the timeline by undoing the failure the Director saw after the last Traveler but every one of them arrived after the previous one. And the more it sent the more fucked up the Travelers were on arrival due to the temporal instability or whatever created by too many subsequent temporal arrivals.
That's why I didn't understand how the Director could abandon a timeline and try again. The one rule they've stuck to all the way through the series is that a Traveler cannot be sent back further than the last Traveler. So if I show up at 12:00:00, the next guy is going to have to come in at 12:00:01 to fix my fuck-up because the Director physically can't send someone to 11:59:00 to shoot me in the face and do my job for me.
If Protocol Omega is just the Director giving up then it makes even less sense. Sure, the timeline is fucked. But if it can't reboot the program and try again from the start then it seems like it would still try to shepherd the past into the best version of the future possible, rather than leaving the Faction to fuck with history however they want to.
Travelers:
The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that the limitation was just a protocol established by the Director to keep things in control and to maximize the information it receives from the past. Once the program fails, the Director is free to start over. I wonder how far into the past it could send people. It only seems to require a time and a set of coordinates, so in theory it could send Travelers to the Pharaonic throne of Egypt, or the ancient Roman Senate, with a pretty good chance of success. I guess it does need to be careful to maintain a timeline where the Director itself gets built, though (except in the case of Mission Successful, where it'd be irrelevant).
Netflixs You is great and the Dexter comparisons are spot on in a 'show about watching a guy get away with horrible things by the skin of his teeth way' although one interesting departure:
Unlike Dexter Joe is way more of an opportunist, Dexter would rarely do anything spur of the moment but Joe frequently does shit on the fly and has to work backwards from it which helps keep it suspenseful.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
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Mike is on to something with the Mom Horror/Dad Sci-fi subgenres, and with the lack of consistent numbers it does feel like the 45 milly watched Birdbox is a hella misleading statistic. I haven't seen it myself and really don't care to, but it is kind of sad when Outlaw King is right there and is a legit, non-indy pickup, good movie that would have still been good if you saw it in theaters (Jay's anger at the end about Netflix isn't free was vicarious).
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That_GuyI don't wanna be that guyRegistered Userregular
I still get that song stuck in my head once a week to this day
And it'll now be permanently wedged in my brain for the night.
Rockapella has a complicated place for me because it was my ex-wife's favorite musical group of all time so I was dragged to several of their shows when they came through the area. I actually like them and find them to be the best a cappella group out there, but the memories their music brings up is not always the best.
There are definitely worse tortures of life to endure, but Rockapella is one of mine.
I liked Season 3 of Travelers a lot more than season 2, though not as much as season 1.
I hope it gets renewed for a 4th season as I'm very curious where it goes.
Though one thing didn't make sense to me at the very end of the season:
The whole Protocol Omega thing: how can the Director abandon a timeline?
Not morally or anything; like how is it physically possible?
My understanding, based on admittedly fuzzy memories, was the Traveler 001 went back as far as the Director could send him within the limitations of the technology and that some other limitation of the tech prevented it sending anyone back except in numerical order (so 002 has to be later than 001 etc).
So if it wanted to abandon a timeline and try again...how would it? Send someone back to the near past before 001 went out and have them give it information?
Or was that whole thing just a lie to orchestrate them sending the dude back further into the past? In which case, if it couldn't actually try again, why did the protocol exist in the first place?
It's a lot simpler than that, though the events surrounding it were BULLSHIT (Travelers season 3 spoilers, finale mostly):
Omega is just no more touching the timeline. It doesn't have to do anything, it just stops. Things happen from that point onward as they will with no travelers changing things.
It kicks this off by letting David die which Marcy had the proper reaction to; fuck you computer.
And now they are ALL dead except Mac so. Maybe the faction had a point.
It also seemed written to end things or at least they wrote themselves into a shitty corner to get out of.
I'm almost certain I remember in the explanation of what Protocol Omega means someone saying that the Director was abandoning this timeline and starting over.
But maybe I imagined that.
'Abandoning the timeline' seems like a very odd way to say, 'shutting down the Traveler program' either way.
The next season is obviously going to be a total reboot, probably with a whole new cast. Kinda excited about that, actually.
I'm going to guess the whole "Cant send a traveler further back than the previous one" isnt actually a technical limitation, but a limitation in the way time works. When a traveler is sent to a time later than the last traveler it is still on the same timeline, but if a traveler is sent back even further it creates a whole new timeline.
Apparently Netflix took over production for Season 3, so what happens now is entirely in Netflix's hands.
Seems like a good negotiation tactic.
So basically all your characters are dead now, but we might bring them back if we reach an agreement in the salary negotiations.
Anywho, Xeddicus makes a fair complaint. Depends on your point of view I guess. If we see this as Mac's story, the story just continues even if the timeline changes. But if you're more invested in the rest of the cast and the world, it certainly seems like they just rendered all three seasons meaningless.
It could be that the Director knew that if it told our plucky time travelers that it was abandoning them they would send Mac back to before 001. The Director couldn't reset the timeline directly because it was programmed to not be able to, but it needed the timeline reset to try again. Killing David in the way it did was the only way to drive them to the point of desperation to do what they did.
I get the complaint about making the previous story meaningless. Resetting the timeline is the third rail of time travel stories. I can only stomach once if it's done well, and I am optimistic that the writers can pull this off.
Travelers:
It can totally reset the timeline if it wants. It did that half a dozen or so times just to save Mac's team.
So it could have just said "Hey, go back and stop 001 from ever being sent back.". So really this looks really bad for the Director.
Unless, and this won't be the case, but 001 didn't really DO anything for awhile right? So nothing changes (what are they going to do about Helios without Traveler tech?) except Mac is around sooner!
Not going to happen, but everything being gone is just sigh.
Did it?
The closest I can recall is the episode where they were trying to stop a team from doing...something...at a lake out in the country and kept failing and getting killed, so the Director sent back Travelers into basically every person who was in the vicinity - two of whom were skydiving at the time - within seconds of one another. They all manipulated the timeline by undoing the failure the Director saw after the last Traveler but every one of them arrived after the previous one. And the more it sent the more fucked up the Travelers were on arrival due to the temporal instability or whatever created by too many subsequent temporal arrivals.
That's why I didn't understand how the Director could abandon a timeline and try again. The one rule they've stuck to all the way through the series is that a Traveler cannot be sent back further than the last Traveler. So if I show up at 12:00:00, the next guy is going to have to come in at 12:00:01 to fix my fuck-up because the Director physically can't send someone to 11:59:00 to shoot me in the face and do my job for me.
If Protocol Omega is just the Director giving up then it makes even less sense. Sure, the timeline is fucked. But if it can't reboot the program and try again from the start then it seems like it would still try to shepherd the past into the best version of the future possible, rather than leaving the Faction to fuck with history however they want to.
I think the implication of that Travelrs ep was
That the process of transferring people over and over into the same body eventually starts to degrade the host
I liked Season 3 of Travelers a lot more than season 2, though not as much as season 1.
I hope it gets renewed for a 4th season as I'm very curious where it goes.
Though one thing didn't make sense to me at the very end of the season:
The whole Protocol Omega thing: how can the Director abandon a timeline?
Not morally or anything; like how is it physically possible?
My understanding, based on admittedly fuzzy memories, was the Traveler 001 went back as far as the Director could send him within the limitations of the technology and that some other limitation of the tech prevented it sending anyone back except in numerical order (so 002 has to be later than 001 etc).
So if it wanted to abandon a timeline and try again...how would it? Send someone back to the near past before 001 went out and have them give it information?
Or was that whole thing just a lie to orchestrate them sending the dude back further into the past? In which case, if it couldn't actually try again, why did the protocol exist in the first place?
It's a lot simpler than that, though the events surrounding it were BULLSHIT (Travelers season 3 spoilers, finale mostly):
Omega is just no more touching the timeline. It doesn't have to do anything, it just stops. Things happen from that point onward as they will with no travelers changing things.
It kicks this off by letting David die which Marcy had the proper reaction to; fuck you computer.
And now they are ALL dead except Mac so. Maybe the faction had a point.
It also seemed written to end things or at least they wrote themselves into a shitty corner to get out of.
I'm almost certain I remember in the explanation of what Protocol Omega means someone saying that the Director was abandoning this timeline and starting over.
But maybe I imagined that.
'Abandoning the timeline' seems like a very odd way to say, 'shutting down the Traveler program' either way.
The next season is obviously going to be a total reboot, probably with a whole new cast. Kinda excited about that, actually.
I'm going to guess the whole "Cant send a traveler further back than the previous one" isnt actually a technical limitation, but a limitation in the way time works. When a traveler is sent to a time later than the last traveler it is still on the same timeline, but if a traveler is sent back even further it creates a whole new timeline.
Apparently Netflix took over production for Season 3, so what happens now is entirely in Netflix's hands.
Seems like a good negotiation tactic.
So basically all your characters are dead now, but we might bring them back if we reach an agreement in the salary negotiations.
Anywho, Xeddicus makes a fair complaint. Depends on your point of view I guess. If we see this as Mac's story, the story just continues even if the timeline changes. But if you're more invested in the rest of the cast and the world, it certainly seems like they just rendered all three seasons meaningless.
It could be that the Director knew that if it told our plucky time travelers that it was abandoning them they would send Mac back to before 001. The Director couldn't reset the timeline directly because it was programmed to not be able to, but it needed the timeline reset to try again. Killing David in the way it did was the only way to drive them to the point of desperation to do what they did.
I get the complaint about making the previous story meaningless. Resetting the timeline is the third rail of time travel stories. I can only stomach once if it's done well, and I am optimistic that the writers can pull this off.
Travelers:
It can totally reset the timeline if it wants. It did that half a dozen or so times just to save Mac's team.
So it could have just said "Hey, go back and stop 001 from ever being sent back.". So really this looks really bad for the Director.
Unless, and this won't be the case, but 001 didn't really DO anything for awhile right? So nothing changes (what are they going to do about Helios without Traveler tech?) except Mac is around sooner!
Not going to happen, but everything being gone is just sigh.
Did it?
The closest I can recall is the episode where they were trying to stop a team from doing...something...at a lake out in the country and kept failing and getting killed, so the Director sent back Travelers into basically every person who was in the vicinity - two of whom were skydiving at the time - within seconds of one another. They all manipulated the timeline by undoing the failure the Director saw after the last Traveler but every one of them arrived after the previous one. And the more it sent the more fucked up the Travelers were on arrival due to the temporal instability or whatever created by too many subsequent temporal arrivals.
That's why I didn't understand how the Director could abandon a timeline and try again. The one rule they've stuck to all the way through the series is that a Traveler cannot be sent back further than the last Traveler. So if I show up at 12:00:00, the next guy is going to have to come in at 12:00:01 to fix my fuck-up because the Director physically can't send someone to 11:59:00 to shoot me in the face and do my job for me.
If Protocol Omega is just the Director giving up then it makes even less sense. Sure, the timeline is fucked. But if it can't reboot the program and try again from the start then it seems like it would still try to shepherd the past into the best version of the future possible, rather than leaving the Faction to fuck with history however they want to.
I think the implication of that Travelrs ep was
That the process of transferring people over and over into the same body eventually starts to degrade the host
This was absolutely my take on it.
The host had her brain overwritten time, time, and time again in the span of seconds, and she basically just died. But each attempt is still only a second (or microsecond) after the last transfer that took place. It still followed the rules.
I liked Season 3 of Travelers a lot more than season 2, though not as much as season 1.
I hope it gets renewed for a 4th season as I'm very curious where it goes.
Though one thing didn't make sense to me at the very end of the season:
The whole Protocol Omega thing: how can the Director abandon a timeline?
Not morally or anything; like how is it physically possible?
My understanding, based on admittedly fuzzy memories, was the Traveler 001 went back as far as the Director could send him within the limitations of the technology and that some other limitation of the tech prevented it sending anyone back except in numerical order (so 002 has to be later than 001 etc).
So if it wanted to abandon a timeline and try again...how would it? Send someone back to the near past before 001 went out and have them give it information?
Or was that whole thing just a lie to orchestrate them sending the dude back further into the past? In which case, if it couldn't actually try again, why did the protocol exist in the first place?
It's a lot simpler than that, though the events surrounding it were BULLSHIT (Travelers season 3 spoilers, finale mostly):
Omega is just no more touching the timeline. It doesn't have to do anything, it just stops. Things happen from that point onward as they will with no travelers changing things.
It kicks this off by letting David die which Marcy had the proper reaction to; fuck you computer.
And now they are ALL dead except Mac so. Maybe the faction had a point.
It also seemed written to end things or at least they wrote themselves into a shitty corner to get out of.
I'm almost certain I remember in the explanation of what Protocol Omega means someone saying that the Director was abandoning this timeline and starting over.
But maybe I imagined that.
'Abandoning the timeline' seems like a very odd way to say, 'shutting down the Traveler program' either way.
The next season is obviously going to be a total reboot, probably with a whole new cast. Kinda excited about that, actually.
I'm going to guess the whole "Cant send a traveler further back than the previous one" isnt actually a technical limitation, but a limitation in the way time works. When a traveler is sent to a time later than the last traveler it is still on the same timeline, but if a traveler is sent back even further it creates a whole new timeline.
Apparently Netflix took over production for Season 3, so what happens now is entirely in Netflix's hands.
Seems like a good negotiation tactic.
So basically all your characters are dead now, but we might bring them back if we reach an agreement in the salary negotiations.
Anywho, Xeddicus makes a fair complaint. Depends on your point of view I guess. If we see this as Mac's story, the story just continues even if the timeline changes. But if you're more invested in the rest of the cast and the world, it certainly seems like they just rendered all three seasons meaningless.
It could be that the Director knew that if it told our plucky time travelers that it was abandoning them they would send Mac back to before 001. The Director couldn't reset the timeline directly because it was programmed to not be able to, but it needed the timeline reset to try again. Killing David in the way it did was the only way to drive them to the point of desperation to do what they did.
I get the complaint about making the previous story meaningless. Resetting the timeline is the third rail of time travel stories. I can only stomach once if it's done well, and I am optimistic that the writers can pull this off.
Travelers:
It can totally reset the timeline if it wants. It did that half a dozen or so times just to save Mac's team.
So it could have just said "Hey, go back and stop 001 from ever being sent back.". So really this looks really bad for the Director.
Unless, and this won't be the case, but 001 didn't really DO anything for awhile right? So nothing changes (what are they going to do about Helios without Traveler tech?) except Mac is around sooner!
Not going to happen, but everything being gone is just sigh.
Did it?
The closest I can recall is the episode where they were trying to stop a team from doing...something...at a lake out in the country and kept failing and getting killed, so the Director sent back Travelers into basically every person who was in the vicinity - two of whom were skydiving at the time - within seconds of one another. They all manipulated the timeline by undoing the failure the Director saw after the last Traveler but every one of them arrived after the previous one. And the more it sent the more fucked up the Travelers were on arrival due to the temporal instability or whatever created by too many subsequent temporal arrivals.
That's why I didn't understand how the Director could abandon a timeline and try again. The one rule they've stuck to all the way through the series is that a Traveler cannot be sent back further than the last Traveler. So if I show up at 12:00:00, the next guy is going to have to come in at 12:00:01 to fix my fuck-up because the Director physically can't send someone to 11:59:00 to shoot me in the face and do my job for me.
If Protocol Omega is just the Director giving up then it makes even less sense. Sure, the timeline is fucked. But if it can't reboot the program and try again from the start then it seems like it would still try to shepherd the past into the best version of the future possible, rather than leaving the Faction to fuck with history however they want to.
I think the implication of that Travelrs ep was
That the process of transferring people over and over into the same body eventually starts to degrade the host
This was absolutely my take on it.
The host had her brain overwritten time, time, and time again in the span of seconds, and she basically just died. But each attempt is still only a second (or microsecond) after the last transfer that took place. It still followed the rules.
That doesn't make sense, but time travel.
If they're rebooted along with the timeline (and they have to be or everyone is dead) there's no first time until the first time again. So no damage. But time travel.
I liked Season 3 of Travelers a lot more than season 2, though not as much as season 1.
I hope it gets renewed for a 4th season as I'm very curious where it goes.
Though one thing didn't make sense to me at the very end of the season:
The whole Protocol Omega thing: how can the Director abandon a timeline?
Not morally or anything; like how is it physically possible?
My understanding, based on admittedly fuzzy memories, was the Traveler 001 went back as far as the Director could send him within the limitations of the technology and that some other limitation of the tech prevented it sending anyone back except in numerical order (so 002 has to be later than 001 etc).
So if it wanted to abandon a timeline and try again...how would it? Send someone back to the near past before 001 went out and have them give it information?
Or was that whole thing just a lie to orchestrate them sending the dude back further into the past? In which case, if it couldn't actually try again, why did the protocol exist in the first place?
It's a lot simpler than that, though the events surrounding it were BULLSHIT (Travelers season 3 spoilers, finale mostly):
Omega is just no more touching the timeline. It doesn't have to do anything, it just stops. Things happen from that point onward as they will with no travelers changing things.
It kicks this off by letting David die which Marcy had the proper reaction to; fuck you computer.
And now they are ALL dead except Mac so. Maybe the faction had a point.
It also seemed written to end things or at least they wrote themselves into a shitty corner to get out of.
I'm almost certain I remember in the explanation of what Protocol Omega means someone saying that the Director was abandoning this timeline and starting over.
But maybe I imagined that.
'Abandoning the timeline' seems like a very odd way to say, 'shutting down the Traveler program' either way.
The next season is obviously going to be a total reboot, probably with a whole new cast. Kinda excited about that, actually.
I'm going to guess the whole "Cant send a traveler further back than the previous one" isnt actually a technical limitation, but a limitation in the way time works. When a traveler is sent to a time later than the last traveler it is still on the same timeline, but if a traveler is sent back even further it creates a whole new timeline.
Apparently Netflix took over production for Season 3, so what happens now is entirely in Netflix's hands.
Seems like a good negotiation tactic.
So basically all your characters are dead now, but we might bring them back if we reach an agreement in the salary negotiations.
Anywho, Xeddicus makes a fair complaint. Depends on your point of view I guess. If we see this as Mac's story, the story just continues even if the timeline changes. But if you're more invested in the rest of the cast and the world, it certainly seems like they just rendered all three seasons meaningless.
It could be that the Director knew that if it told our plucky time travelers that it was abandoning them they would send Mac back to before 001. The Director couldn't reset the timeline directly because it was programmed to not be able to, but it needed the timeline reset to try again. Killing David in the way it did was the only way to drive them to the point of desperation to do what they did.
I get the complaint about making the previous story meaningless. Resetting the timeline is the third rail of time travel stories. I can only stomach once if it's done well, and I am optimistic that the writers can pull this off.
Travelers:
It can totally reset the timeline if it wants. It did that half a dozen or so times just to save Mac's team.
So it could have just said "Hey, go back and stop 001 from ever being sent back.". So really this looks really bad for the Director.
Unless, and this won't be the case, but 001 didn't really DO anything for awhile right? So nothing changes (what are they going to do about Helios without Traveler tech?) except Mac is around sooner!
Not going to happen, but everything being gone is just sigh.
Did it?
The closest I can recall is the episode where they were trying to stop a team from doing...something...at a lake out in the country and kept failing and getting killed, so the Director sent back Travelers into basically every person who was in the vicinity - two of whom were skydiving at the time - within seconds of one another. They all manipulated the timeline by undoing the failure the Director saw after the last Traveler but every one of them arrived after the previous one. And the more it sent the more fucked up the Travelers were on arrival due to the temporal instability or whatever created by too many subsequent temporal arrivals.
That's why I didn't understand how the Director could abandon a timeline and try again. The one rule they've stuck to all the way through the series is that a Traveler cannot be sent back further than the last Traveler. So if I show up at 12:00:00, the next guy is going to have to come in at 12:00:01 to fix my fuck-up because the Director physically can't send someone to 11:59:00 to shoot me in the face and do my job for me.
If Protocol Omega is just the Director giving up then it makes even less sense. Sure, the timeline is fucked. But if it can't reboot the program and try again from the start then it seems like it would still try to shepherd the past into the best version of the future possible, rather than leaving the Faction to fuck with history however they want to.
I think the implication of that Travelrs ep was
That the process of transferring people over and over into the same body eventually starts to degrade the host
This was absolutely my take on it.
The host had her brain overwritten time, time, and time again in the span of seconds, and she basically just died. But each attempt is still only a second (or microsecond) after the last transfer that took place. It still followed the rules.
That doesn't make sense, but time travel.
If they're rebooted along with the timeline (and they have to be or everyone is dead) there's no first time until the first time again. So no damage. But time travel.
They're not rebooted, you're thinking of it like The Director is rewinding time. It's not. It's throwing shit against the wall and checking to see if it worked or not.
The Director sends Traveler A back in time to date X and time Y to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
The Director then immediately sends Traveler B back in time to date X and time Y+1 second to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
And then it kept doing that until it realized that the Host was dying from the transfer, although it still killed some Travelers in the process, because again, it only sees historical records (social media, especially), and that doesn't tell it that the Host is dying.
The Director then, and only then, decides to transfer Traveler E or F or G to Host 2 (the other skydiver). It then decides to also use an Ace in the hole, and send another Traveler to Host 3 (guy in truck) to help them out. It's important to understand that it couldn't do this until it was at this point, because as soon as it did, it couldn't re-transfer to Host 1 or 2 anymore, because this transfer is past the others. All transfers at this point have to come after this transfer to Host 3.
The sound seems to be much better than marvel/star wars on Netflix usually is. Can hear the quiet moments easily but aren't blown apart by the loud parts.
Will become one of my favorite Netflix movies for that alone.
I liked Season 3 of Travelers a lot more than season 2, though not as much as season 1.
I hope it gets renewed for a 4th season as I'm very curious where it goes.
Though one thing didn't make sense to me at the very end of the season:
The whole Protocol Omega thing: how can the Director abandon a timeline?
Not morally or anything; like how is it physically possible?
My understanding, based on admittedly fuzzy memories, was the Traveler 001 went back as far as the Director could send him within the limitations of the technology and that some other limitation of the tech prevented it sending anyone back except in numerical order (so 002 has to be later than 001 etc).
So if it wanted to abandon a timeline and try again...how would it? Send someone back to the near past before 001 went out and have them give it information?
Or was that whole thing just a lie to orchestrate them sending the dude back further into the past? In which case, if it couldn't actually try again, why did the protocol exist in the first place?
It's a lot simpler than that, though the events surrounding it were BULLSHIT (Travelers season 3 spoilers, finale mostly):
Omega is just no more touching the timeline. It doesn't have to do anything, it just stops. Things happen from that point onward as they will with no travelers changing things.
It kicks this off by letting David die which Marcy had the proper reaction to; fuck you computer.
And now they are ALL dead except Mac so. Maybe the faction had a point.
It also seemed written to end things or at least they wrote themselves into a shitty corner to get out of.
I'm almost certain I remember in the explanation of what Protocol Omega means someone saying that the Director was abandoning this timeline and starting over.
But maybe I imagined that.
'Abandoning the timeline' seems like a very odd way to say, 'shutting down the Traveler program' either way.
The next season is obviously going to be a total reboot, probably with a whole new cast. Kinda excited about that, actually.
I'm going to guess the whole "Cant send a traveler further back than the previous one" isnt actually a technical limitation, but a limitation in the way time works. When a traveler is sent to a time later than the last traveler it is still on the same timeline, but if a traveler is sent back even further it creates a whole new timeline.
Apparently Netflix took over production for Season 3, so what happens now is entirely in Netflix's hands.
Seems like a good negotiation tactic.
So basically all your characters are dead now, but we might bring them back if we reach an agreement in the salary negotiations.
Anywho, Xeddicus makes a fair complaint. Depends on your point of view I guess. If we see this as Mac's story, the story just continues even if the timeline changes. But if you're more invested in the rest of the cast and the world, it certainly seems like they just rendered all three seasons meaningless.
It could be that the Director knew that if it told our plucky time travelers that it was abandoning them they would send Mac back to before 001. The Director couldn't reset the timeline directly because it was programmed to not be able to, but it needed the timeline reset to try again. Killing David in the way it did was the only way to drive them to the point of desperation to do what they did.
I get the complaint about making the previous story meaningless. Resetting the timeline is the third rail of time travel stories. I can only stomach once if it's done well, and I am optimistic that the writers can pull this off.
Travelers:
It can totally reset the timeline if it wants. It did that half a dozen or so times just to save Mac's team.
So it could have just said "Hey, go back and stop 001 from ever being sent back.". So really this looks really bad for the Director.
Unless, and this won't be the case, but 001 didn't really DO anything for awhile right? So nothing changes (what are they going to do about Helios without Traveler tech?) except Mac is around sooner!
Not going to happen, but everything being gone is just sigh.
Did it?
The closest I can recall is the episode where they were trying to stop a team from doing...something...at a lake out in the country and kept failing and getting killed, so the Director sent back Travelers into basically every person who was in the vicinity - two of whom were skydiving at the time - within seconds of one another. They all manipulated the timeline by undoing the failure the Director saw after the last Traveler but every one of them arrived after the previous one. And the more it sent the more fucked up the Travelers were on arrival due to the temporal instability or whatever created by too many subsequent temporal arrivals.
That's why I didn't understand how the Director could abandon a timeline and try again. The one rule they've stuck to all the way through the series is that a Traveler cannot be sent back further than the last Traveler. So if I show up at 12:00:00, the next guy is going to have to come in at 12:00:01 to fix my fuck-up because the Director physically can't send someone to 11:59:00 to shoot me in the face and do my job for me.
If Protocol Omega is just the Director giving up then it makes even less sense. Sure, the timeline is fucked. But if it can't reboot the program and try again from the start then it seems like it would still try to shepherd the past into the best version of the future possible, rather than leaving the Faction to fuck with history however they want to.
I think the implication of that Travelrs ep was
That the process of transferring people over and over into the same body eventually starts to degrade the host
This was absolutely my take on it.
The host had her brain overwritten time, time, and time again in the span of seconds, and she basically just died. But each attempt is still only a second (or microsecond) after the last transfer that took place. It still followed the rules.
That doesn't make sense, but time travel.
If they're rebooted along with the timeline (and they have to be or everyone is dead) there's no first time until the first time again. So no damage. But time travel.
They're not rebooted, you're thinking of it like The Director is rewinding time. It's not. It's throwing shit against the wall and checking to see if it worked or not.
The Director sends Traveler A back in time to date X and time Y to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
The Director then immediately sends Traveler B back in time to date X and time Y+1 second to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
And then it kept doing that until it realized that the Host was dying from the transfer, although it still killed some Travelers in the process, because again, it only sees historical records (social media, especially), and that doesn't tell it that the Host is dying.
The Director then, and only then, decides to transfer Traveler E or F or G to Host 2 (the other skydiver). It then decides to also use an Ace in the hole, and send another Traveler to Host 3 (guy in truck) to help them out. It's important to understand that it couldn't do this until it was at this point, because as soon as it did, it couldn't re-transfer to Host 1 or 2 anymore, because this transfer is past the others. All transfers at this point have to come after this transfer to Host 3.
The Director is a monster AI that I would not want to make angry. In that timeline, the Director sent back countless people to only be overwritten and killed the moment after they arrived because they had already failed their mission before it started.
This does make me think of a question though: Who would win in a fight, The Director or Skynet?
The sound seems to be much better than marvel/star wars on Netflix usually is. Can hear the quiet moments easily but aren't blown apart by the loud parts.
Will become one of my favorite Netflix movies for that alone.
It's on US Netflix too apparently, got a notification earlier.
Looks like Monty Python's Holy Grail is now on Netflix as well.
Also, another random question about the Travelersverse: In the future do they overwrite someone's consciousness when they've committed a severe crime instead of incarceration or the death penalty? I think they probably do, which also helps keep the cult of personality that the Director created going. That show has many layers of fucked-upedness when you really start thinking about it.
Edit: Godzilla Anime part 3 is also out now. Watching it now and wow, this very quickly took a Fundamental turn I did not expect.
Edit: Godzilla Anime part 3 is also out now. Watching it now and wow, and this is very quickly took a Fundamental turn I did not expect.
I watched it tonight, too. I never expected to be so bummed-out by a Godzilla movie.
Ending spoilers:
Nearly all of humanity is killed when Ghidorah (who in this is an eldritch abomination) destroys the spaceship holding most of mankind. Some of the survivors hope to use a mech made of advanced nanobots to rebuild civilization. Main character decides technology and civilization are inherently self-destructive. Pilots mech to commit suicide by Godzilla. Godzilla blasts the mech and its wreckage slams against his body and explodes. Fast forward to years later, where the main character is remembered in a tribal ceremony as a god that takes away cursed things to be destroyed. The end.
I liked Season 3 of Travelers a lot more than season 2, though not as much as season 1.
I hope it gets renewed for a 4th season as I'm very curious where it goes.
Though one thing didn't make sense to me at the very end of the season:
The whole Protocol Omega thing: how can the Director abandon a timeline?
Not morally or anything; like how is it physically possible?
My understanding, based on admittedly fuzzy memories, was the Traveler 001 went back as far as the Director could send him within the limitations of the technology and that some other limitation of the tech prevented it sending anyone back except in numerical order (so 002 has to be later than 001 etc).
So if it wanted to abandon a timeline and try again...how would it? Send someone back to the near past before 001 went out and have them give it information?
Or was that whole thing just a lie to orchestrate them sending the dude back further into the past? In which case, if it couldn't actually try again, why did the protocol exist in the first place?
It's a lot simpler than that, though the events surrounding it were BULLSHIT (Travelers season 3 spoilers, finale mostly):
Omega is just no more touching the timeline. It doesn't have to do anything, it just stops. Things happen from that point onward as they will with no travelers changing things.
It kicks this off by letting David die which Marcy had the proper reaction to; fuck you computer.
And now they are ALL dead except Mac so. Maybe the faction had a point.
It also seemed written to end things or at least they wrote themselves into a shitty corner to get out of.
I'm almost certain I remember in the explanation of what Protocol Omega means someone saying that the Director was abandoning this timeline and starting over.
But maybe I imagined that.
'Abandoning the timeline' seems like a very odd way to say, 'shutting down the Traveler program' either way.
The next season is obviously going to be a total reboot, probably with a whole new cast. Kinda excited about that, actually.
I'm going to guess the whole "Cant send a traveler further back than the previous one" isnt actually a technical limitation, but a limitation in the way time works. When a traveler is sent to a time later than the last traveler it is still on the same timeline, but if a traveler is sent back even further it creates a whole new timeline.
Apparently Netflix took over production for Season 3, so what happens now is entirely in Netflix's hands.
Seems like a good negotiation tactic.
So basically all your characters are dead now, but we might bring them back if we reach an agreement in the salary negotiations.
Anywho, Xeddicus makes a fair complaint. Depends on your point of view I guess. If we see this as Mac's story, the story just continues even if the timeline changes. But if you're more invested in the rest of the cast and the world, it certainly seems like they just rendered all three seasons meaningless.
It could be that the Director knew that if it told our plucky time travelers that it was abandoning them they would send Mac back to before 001. The Director couldn't reset the timeline directly because it was programmed to not be able to, but it needed the timeline reset to try again. Killing David in the way it did was the only way to drive them to the point of desperation to do what they did.
I get the complaint about making the previous story meaningless. Resetting the timeline is the third rail of time travel stories. I can only stomach once if it's done well, and I am optimistic that the writers can pull this off.
Travelers:
It can totally reset the timeline if it wants. It did that half a dozen or so times just to save Mac's team.
So it could have just said "Hey, go back and stop 001 from ever being sent back.". So really this looks really bad for the Director.
Unless, and this won't be the case, but 001 didn't really DO anything for awhile right? So nothing changes (what are they going to do about Helios without Traveler tech?) except Mac is around sooner!
Not going to happen, but everything being gone is just sigh.
Did it?
The closest I can recall is the episode where they were trying to stop a team from doing...something...at a lake out in the country and kept failing and getting killed, so the Director sent back Travelers into basically every person who was in the vicinity - two of whom were skydiving at the time - within seconds of one another. They all manipulated the timeline by undoing the failure the Director saw after the last Traveler but every one of them arrived after the previous one. And the more it sent the more fucked up the Travelers were on arrival due to the temporal instability or whatever created by too many subsequent temporal arrivals.
That's why I didn't understand how the Director could abandon a timeline and try again. The one rule they've stuck to all the way through the series is that a Traveler cannot be sent back further than the last Traveler. So if I show up at 12:00:00, the next guy is going to have to come in at 12:00:01 to fix my fuck-up because the Director physically can't send someone to 11:59:00 to shoot me in the face and do my job for me.
If Protocol Omega is just the Director giving up then it makes even less sense. Sure, the timeline is fucked. But if it can't reboot the program and try again from the start then it seems like it would still try to shepherd the past into the best version of the future possible, rather than leaving the Faction to fuck with history however they want to.
I think the implication of that Travelrs ep was
That the process of transferring people over and over into the same body eventually starts to degrade the host
This was absolutely my take on it.
The host had her brain overwritten time, time, and time again in the span of seconds, and she basically just died. But each attempt is still only a second (or microsecond) after the last transfer that took place. It still followed the rules.
That doesn't make sense, but time travel.
If they're rebooted along with the timeline (and they have to be or everyone is dead) there's no first time until the first time again. So no damage. But time travel.
They're not rebooted, you're thinking of it like The Director is rewinding time. It's not. It's throwing shit against the wall and checking to see if it worked or not.
The Director sends Traveler A back in time to date X and time Y to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
The Director then immediately sends Traveler B back in time to date X and time Y+1 second to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
And then it kept doing that until it realized that the Host was dying from the transfer, although it still killed some Travelers in the process, because again, it only sees historical records (social media, especially), and that doesn't tell it that the Host is dying.
The Director then, and only then, decides to transfer Traveler E or F or G to Host 2 (the other skydiver). It then decides to also use an Ace in the hole, and send another Traveler to Host 3 (guy in truck) to help them out. It's important to understand that it couldn't do this until it was at this point, because as soon as it did, it couldn't re-transfer to Host 1 or 2 anymore, because this transfer is past the others. All transfers at this point have to come after this transfer to Host 3.
The Director is a monster AI that I would not want to make angry. In that timeline, the Director sent back countless people to only be overwritten and killed the moment after they arrived because they had already failed their mission before it started.
This does make me think of a question though: Who would win in a fight, The Director or Skynet?
The Director, I feel, has a much better grasp of time travel than Skynet, though this is perhaps not the fault of the AI in question and more how time travel works in those universes. Even with killer robots, I feel like Skynet would be one resourceful Historian away from ceasing to exist.
I liked Season 3 of Travelers a lot more than season 2, though not as much as season 1.
I hope it gets renewed for a 4th season as I'm very curious where it goes.
Though one thing didn't make sense to me at the very end of the season:
The whole Protocol Omega thing: how can the Director abandon a timeline?
Not morally or anything; like how is it physically possible?
My understanding, based on admittedly fuzzy memories, was the Traveler 001 went back as far as the Director could send him within the limitations of the technology and that some other limitation of the tech prevented it sending anyone back except in numerical order (so 002 has to be later than 001 etc).
So if it wanted to abandon a timeline and try again...how would it? Send someone back to the near past before 001 went out and have them give it information?
Or was that whole thing just a lie to orchestrate them sending the dude back further into the past? In which case, if it couldn't actually try again, why did the protocol exist in the first place?
It's a lot simpler than that, though the events surrounding it were BULLSHIT (Travelers season 3 spoilers, finale mostly):
Omega is just no more touching the timeline. It doesn't have to do anything, it just stops. Things happen from that point onward as they will with no travelers changing things.
It kicks this off by letting David die which Marcy had the proper reaction to; fuck you computer.
And now they are ALL dead except Mac so. Maybe the faction had a point.
It also seemed written to end things or at least they wrote themselves into a shitty corner to get out of.
I'm almost certain I remember in the explanation of what Protocol Omega means someone saying that the Director was abandoning this timeline and starting over.
But maybe I imagined that.
'Abandoning the timeline' seems like a very odd way to say, 'shutting down the Traveler program' either way.
The next season is obviously going to be a total reboot, probably with a whole new cast. Kinda excited about that, actually.
I'm going to guess the whole "Cant send a traveler further back than the previous one" isnt actually a technical limitation, but a limitation in the way time works. When a traveler is sent to a time later than the last traveler it is still on the same timeline, but if a traveler is sent back even further it creates a whole new timeline.
Apparently Netflix took over production for Season 3, so what happens now is entirely in Netflix's hands.
Seems like a good negotiation tactic.
So basically all your characters are dead now, but we might bring them back if we reach an agreement in the salary negotiations.
Anywho, Xeddicus makes a fair complaint. Depends on your point of view I guess. If we see this as Mac's story, the story just continues even if the timeline changes. But if you're more invested in the rest of the cast and the world, it certainly seems like they just rendered all three seasons meaningless.
It could be that the Director knew that if it told our plucky time travelers that it was abandoning them they would send Mac back to before 001. The Director couldn't reset the timeline directly because it was programmed to not be able to, but it needed the timeline reset to try again. Killing David in the way it did was the only way to drive them to the point of desperation to do what they did.
I get the complaint about making the previous story meaningless. Resetting the timeline is the third rail of time travel stories. I can only stomach once if it's done well, and I am optimistic that the writers can pull this off.
Travelers:
It can totally reset the timeline if it wants. It did that half a dozen or so times just to save Mac's team.
So it could have just said "Hey, go back and stop 001 from ever being sent back.". So really this looks really bad for the Director.
Unless, and this won't be the case, but 001 didn't really DO anything for awhile right? So nothing changes (what are they going to do about Helios without Traveler tech?) except Mac is around sooner!
Not going to happen, but everything being gone is just sigh.
Did it?
The closest I can recall is the episode where they were trying to stop a team from doing...something...at a lake out in the country and kept failing and getting killed, so the Director sent back Travelers into basically every person who was in the vicinity - two of whom were skydiving at the time - within seconds of one another. They all manipulated the timeline by undoing the failure the Director saw after the last Traveler but every one of them arrived after the previous one. And the more it sent the more fucked up the Travelers were on arrival due to the temporal instability or whatever created by too many subsequent temporal arrivals.
That's why I didn't understand how the Director could abandon a timeline and try again. The one rule they've stuck to all the way through the series is that a Traveler cannot be sent back further than the last Traveler. So if I show up at 12:00:00, the next guy is going to have to come in at 12:00:01 to fix my fuck-up because the Director physically can't send someone to 11:59:00 to shoot me in the face and do my job for me.
If Protocol Omega is just the Director giving up then it makes even less sense. Sure, the timeline is fucked. But if it can't reboot the program and try again from the start then it seems like it would still try to shepherd the past into the best version of the future possible, rather than leaving the Faction to fuck with history however they want to.
I think the implication of that Travelrs ep was
That the process of transferring people over and over into the same body eventually starts to degrade the host
This was absolutely my take on it.
The host had her brain overwritten time, time, and time again in the span of seconds, and she basically just died. But each attempt is still only a second (or microsecond) after the last transfer that took place. It still followed the rules.
That doesn't make sense, but time travel.
If they're rebooted along with the timeline (and they have to be or everyone is dead) there's no first time until the first time again. So no damage. But time travel.
They're not rebooted, you're thinking of it like The Director is rewinding time. It's not. It's throwing shit against the wall and checking to see if it worked or not.
The Director sends Traveler A back in time to date X and time Y to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
The Director then immediately sends Traveler B back in time to date X and time Y+1 second to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
And then it kept doing that until it realized that the Host was dying from the transfer, although it still killed some Travelers in the process, because again, it only sees historical records (social media, especially), and that doesn't tell it that the Host is dying.
The Director then, and only then, decides to transfer Traveler E or F or G to Host 2 (the other skydiver). It then decides to also use an Ace in the hole, and send another Traveler to Host 3 (guy in truck) to help them out. It's important to understand that it couldn't do this until it was at this point, because as soon as it did, it couldn't re-transfer to Host 1 or 2 anymore, because this transfer is past the others. All transfers at this point have to come after this transfer to Host 3.
The Director is a monster AI that I would not want to make angry. In that timeline, the Director sent back countless people to only be overwritten and killed the moment after they arrived because they had already failed their mission before it started.
This does make me think of a question though: Who would win in a fight, The Director or Skynet?
The Director, I feel, has a much better grasp of time travel than Skynet, though this is perhaps not the fault of the AI in question and more how time travel works in those universes. Even with killer robots, I feel like Skynet would be one resourceful Historian away from ceasing to exist.
Y'all are running pretty fast and loose with Traveler's spoilers for a guy that is only on episode 3 FYI.
I liked Season 3 of Travelers a lot more than season 2, though not as much as season 1.
I hope it gets renewed for a 4th season as I'm very curious where it goes.
Though one thing didn't make sense to me at the very end of the season:
The whole Protocol Omega thing: how can the Director abandon a timeline?
Not morally or anything; like how is it physically possible?
My understanding, based on admittedly fuzzy memories, was the Traveler 001 went back as far as the Director could send him within the limitations of the technology and that some other limitation of the tech prevented it sending anyone back except in numerical order (so 002 has to be later than 001 etc).
So if it wanted to abandon a timeline and try again...how would it? Send someone back to the near past before 001 went out and have them give it information?
Or was that whole thing just a lie to orchestrate them sending the dude back further into the past? In which case, if it couldn't actually try again, why did the protocol exist in the first place?
It's a lot simpler than that, though the events surrounding it were BULLSHIT (Travelers season 3 spoilers, finale mostly):
Omega is just no more touching the timeline. It doesn't have to do anything, it just stops. Things happen from that point onward as they will with no travelers changing things.
It kicks this off by letting David die which Marcy had the proper reaction to; fuck you computer.
And now they are ALL dead except Mac so. Maybe the faction had a point.
It also seemed written to end things or at least they wrote themselves into a shitty corner to get out of.
I'm almost certain I remember in the explanation of what Protocol Omega means someone saying that the Director was abandoning this timeline and starting over.
But maybe I imagined that.
'Abandoning the timeline' seems like a very odd way to say, 'shutting down the Traveler program' either way.
The next season is obviously going to be a total reboot, probably with a whole new cast. Kinda excited about that, actually.
I'm going to guess the whole "Cant send a traveler further back than the previous one" isnt actually a technical limitation, but a limitation in the way time works. When a traveler is sent to a time later than the last traveler it is still on the same timeline, but if a traveler is sent back even further it creates a whole new timeline.
Apparently Netflix took over production for Season 3, so what happens now is entirely in Netflix's hands.
Seems like a good negotiation tactic.
So basically all your characters are dead now, but we might bring them back if we reach an agreement in the salary negotiations.
Anywho, Xeddicus makes a fair complaint. Depends on your point of view I guess. If we see this as Mac's story, the story just continues even if the timeline changes. But if you're more invested in the rest of the cast and the world, it certainly seems like they just rendered all three seasons meaningless.
It could be that the Director knew that if it told our plucky time travelers that it was abandoning them they would send Mac back to before 001. The Director couldn't reset the timeline directly because it was programmed to not be able to, but it needed the timeline reset to try again. Killing David in the way it did was the only way to drive them to the point of desperation to do what they did.
I get the complaint about making the previous story meaningless. Resetting the timeline is the third rail of time travel stories. I can only stomach once if it's done well, and I am optimistic that the writers can pull this off.
Travelers:
It can totally reset the timeline if it wants. It did that half a dozen or so times just to save Mac's team.
So it could have just said "Hey, go back and stop 001 from ever being sent back.". So really this looks really bad for the Director.
Unless, and this won't be the case, but 001 didn't really DO anything for awhile right? So nothing changes (what are they going to do about Helios without Traveler tech?) except Mac is around sooner!
Not going to happen, but everything being gone is just sigh.
Did it?
The closest I can recall is the episode where they were trying to stop a team from doing...something...at a lake out in the country and kept failing and getting killed, so the Director sent back Travelers into basically every person who was in the vicinity - two of whom were skydiving at the time - within seconds of one another. They all manipulated the timeline by undoing the failure the Director saw after the last Traveler but every one of them arrived after the previous one. And the more it sent the more fucked up the Travelers were on arrival due to the temporal instability or whatever created by too many subsequent temporal arrivals.
That's why I didn't understand how the Director could abandon a timeline and try again. The one rule they've stuck to all the way through the series is that a Traveler cannot be sent back further than the last Traveler. So if I show up at 12:00:00, the next guy is going to have to come in at 12:00:01 to fix my fuck-up because the Director physically can't send someone to 11:59:00 to shoot me in the face and do my job for me.
If Protocol Omega is just the Director giving up then it makes even less sense. Sure, the timeline is fucked. But if it can't reboot the program and try again from the start then it seems like it would still try to shepherd the past into the best version of the future possible, rather than leaving the Faction to fuck with history however they want to.
I think the implication of that Travelrs ep was
That the process of transferring people over and over into the same body eventually starts to degrade the host
This was absolutely my take on it.
The host had her brain overwritten time, time, and time again in the span of seconds, and she basically just died. But each attempt is still only a second (or microsecond) after the last transfer that took place. It still followed the rules.
That doesn't make sense, but time travel.
If they're rebooted along with the timeline (and they have to be or everyone is dead) there's no first time until the first time again. So no damage. But time travel.
They're not rebooted, you're thinking of it like The Director is rewinding time. It's not. It's throwing shit against the wall and checking to see if it worked or not.
The Director sends Traveler A back in time to date X and time Y to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
The Director then immediately sends Traveler B back in time to date X and time Y+1 second to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
And then it kept doing that until it realized that the Host was dying from the transfer, although it still killed some Travelers in the process, because again, it only sees historical records (social media, especially), and that doesn't tell it that the Host is dying.
The Director then, and only then, decides to transfer Traveler E or F or G to Host 2 (the other skydiver). It then decides to also use an Ace in the hole, and send another Traveler to Host 3 (guy in truck) to help them out. It's important to understand that it couldn't do this until it was at this point, because as soon as it did, it couldn't re-transfer to Host 1 or 2 anymore, because this transfer is past the others. All transfers at this point have to come after this transfer to Host 3.
The Director is a monster AI that I would not want to make angry. In that timeline, the Director sent back countless people to only be overwritten and killed the moment after they arrived because they had already failed their mission before it started.
This does make me think of a question though: Who would win in a fight, The Director or Skynet?
The Director, I feel, has a much better grasp of time travel than Skynet, though this is perhaps not the fault of the AI in question and more how time travel works in those universes. Even with killer robots, I feel like Skynet would be one resourceful Historian away from ceasing to exist.
Y'all are running pretty fast and loose with Traveler's spoilers for a guy that is only on episode 3 FYI.
Edit: Godzilla Anime part 3 is also out now. Watching it now and wow, and this is very quickly took a Fundamental turn I did not expect.
I watched it tonight, too. I never expected to be so bummed-out by a Godzilla movie.
Ending spoilers:
Nearly all of humanity is killed when Ghidorah (who in this is an eldritch abomination) destroys the spaceship holding most of mankind. Some of the survivors hope to use a mech made of advanced nanobots to rebuild civilization. Main character decides technology and civilization are inherently self-destructive. Pilots mech to commit suicide by Godzilla. Godzilla blasts the mech and its wreckage slams against his body and explodes. Fast forward to years later, where the main character is remembered in a tribal ceremony as a god that takes away cursed things to be destroyed. The end.
Been watching Godzilla movies for literally as long as I can remember, and there was nothing I saw in that crappy series that would make me recommend the series to anyone. Crap writing, terrible animation, bad VA, awful story, the works.
Edit: Godzilla Anime part 3 is also out now. Watching it now and wow, and this is very quickly took a Fundamental turn I did not expect.
I watched it tonight, too. I never expected to be so bummed-out by a Godzilla movie.
Ending spoilers:
Nearly all of humanity is killed when Ghidorah (who in this is an eldritch abomination) destroys the spaceship holding most of mankind. Some of the survivors hope to use a mech made of advanced nanobots to rebuild civilization. Main character decides technology and civilization are inherently self-destructive. Pilots mech to commit suicide by Godzilla. Godzilla blasts the mech and its wreckage slams against his body and explodes. Fast forward to years later, where the main character is remembered in a tribal ceremony as a god that takes away cursed things to be destroyed. The end.
Been watching Godzilla movies for literally as long as I can remember, and there was nothing I saw in that crappy series that would make me recommend the series to anyone. Crap writing, terrible animation, bad VA, awful story, the works.
It had a lot of interesting concepts, but didn't do much at all with them.
Ghidorah as basically a Great Old One was interesting. His design was wildly divergent, in a fun way. Plus, the scene where cultists praise Ghidorah only to be rewarded with Ghidorah's shadowy heads and necks creeping along the floor and disintegrating whatever body part's shadow it touches was an extremely cool way to get across that this Ghidorah is more alien than any previous incarnation.
Binged Hi Score Girl in two days. It took me awhile to get over some of the character designs but the story itself is kinda neat and there's a bunch of 90s gaming nostalgia.
Edit: Godzilla Anime part 3 is also out now. Watching it now and wow, and this is very quickly took a Fundamental turn I did not expect.
I watched it tonight, too. I never expected to be so bummed-out by a Godzilla movie.
Ending spoilers:
Nearly all of humanity is killed when Ghidorah (who in this is an eldritch abomination) destroys the spaceship holding most of mankind. Some of the survivors hope to use a mech made of advanced nanobots to rebuild civilization. Main character decides technology and civilization are inherently self-destructive. Pilots mech to commit suicide by Godzilla. Godzilla blasts the mech and its wreckage slams against his body and explodes. Fast forward to years later, where the main character is remembered in a tribal ceremony as a god that takes away cursed things to be destroyed. The end.
Been watching Godzilla movies for literally as long as I can remember, and there was nothing I saw in that crappy series that would make me recommend the series to anyone. Crap writing, terrible animation, bad VA, awful story, the works.
It had a lot of interesting concepts, but didn't do much at all with them.
Ghidorah as basically a Great Old One was interesting. His design was wildly divergent, in a fun way. Plus, the scene where cultists praise Ghidorah only to be rewarded with Ghidorah's shadowy heads and necks creeping along the floor and disintegrating whatever body part's shadow it touches was an extremely cool way to get across that this Ghidorah is more alien than any previous incarnation.
Yeah, it's actually a huge shame that the series is so bad because there really is some neat stuff there to work with. It takes the idea of Godzilla as an unstoppable force of nature to an extreme, to the extent that he's changed everything around him. His big reveal would've been pretty awesome if the rest of the show around him hadn't been so bad.
And I know most anime thinks tropes are a total necessity, but I just could not get past how ultra-tropey the events and characters were. Considering the premise of the show, there's no way it should've been so predictable.
It's not winning any Peabodys anytime soon, but I'm still very much looking forward to curling up in front of the TV and binging Future Man's second season this weekend. My tired body and soul are ready for a whole new set of low-end jizz jokes.
It's not winning any Peabodys anytime soon, but I'm still very much looking forward to curling up in front of the TV and binging Future Man's second season this weekend. My tired body and soul are ready for a whole new set of low-end jizz jokes.
I really enjoyed Future Man more than I thought it would and binged all of it on Netflix.
It's not winning any Peabodys anytime soon, but I'm still very much looking forward to curling up in front of the TV and binging Future Man's second season this weekend. My tired body and soul are ready for a whole new set of low-end jizz jokes.
There is really something warm about that show. It knows exactly what it's doing and does it really well.
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That's where she wants you to think she is.
Well, what does she then do? If she's just letting them do the hard work for her she's not morally in the right!
I was with it until we got to that part. CS isn't a that kind of character. She's a time traveling super thief who steals only the most valuable artifacts (and monuments) from all over the world. Why bother calling it Carmen Sandiego if it's not going to be that character. I know I'm not the target audience for this show, but who is? The only people who would recognize that character design and name are old enough to remember how different this new character is.
It makes perfect sense to me that they'd turn her into a more of a protagonist.
I still get that song stuck in my head once a week to this day
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Does anyone remember when @Captain K did that entire song himself and posted it to YTMND?
Edit: Oh my god it's still there
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And it'll now be permanently wedged in my brain for the night.
Rockapella has a complicated place for me because it was my ex-wife's favorite musical group of all time so I was dragged to several of their shows when they came through the area. I actually like them and find them to be the best a cappella group out there, but the memories their music brings up is not always the best.
There are definitely worse tortures of life to endure, but Rockapella is one of mine.
I think the implication of that Travelrs ep was
This was absolutely my take on it.
That doesn't make sense, but time travel.
The Director sends Traveler A back in time to date X and time Y to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
The Director then immediately sends Traveler B back in time to date X and time Y+1 second to save the team. Historical records show that the team still died after it did that.
And then it kept doing that until it realized that the Host was dying from the transfer, although it still killed some Travelers in the process, because again, it only sees historical records (social media, especially), and that doesn't tell it that the Host is dying.
The Director then, and only then, decides to transfer Traveler E or F or G to Host 2 (the other skydiver). It then decides to also use an Ace in the hole, and send another Traveler to Host 3 (guy in truck) to help them out. It's important to understand that it couldn't do this until it was at this point, because as soon as it did, it couldn't re-transfer to Host 1 or 2 anymore, because this transfer is past the others. All transfers at this point have to come after this transfer to Host 3.
The sound seems to be much better than marvel/star wars on Netflix usually is. Can hear the quiet moments easily but aren't blown apart by the loud parts.
Will become one of my favorite Netflix movies for that alone.
It's on US Netflix too apparently, got a notification earlier.
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Also, another random question about the Travelersverse: In the future do they overwrite someone's consciousness when they've committed a severe crime instead of incarceration or the death penalty? I think they probably do, which also helps keep the cult of personality that the Director created going. That show has many layers of fucked-upedness when you really start thinking about it.
Edit: Godzilla Anime part 3 is also out now. Watching it now and wow, this very quickly took a Fundamental turn I did not expect.
I watched it tonight, too. I never expected to be so bummed-out by a Godzilla movie.
Ending spoilers:
Completely extraneous first hour that’s been done a hundred other times, and a fizzling end that resolves little while whimpering out.
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It may have been done a hundred times before bit this is one of the few times is been done right.
It doesn't deserve all the attention it's gotten but it's a good movie.
Y'all are running pretty fast and loose with Traveler's spoilers for a guy that is only on episode 3 FYI.
EDIT: Nvm, I got ya.
Ah, I've got ya. I thought it was explained right away. I'll go back and box it up
Been watching Godzilla movies for literally as long as I can remember, and there was nothing I saw in that crappy series that would make me recommend the series to anyone. Crap writing, terrible animation, bad VA, awful story, the works.
It had a lot of interesting concepts, but didn't do much at all with them.
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Yeah, it's actually a huge shame that the series is so bad because there really is some neat stuff there to work with. It takes the idea of Godzilla as an unstoppable force of nature to an extreme, to the extent that he's changed everything around him. His big reveal would've been pretty awesome if the rest of the show around him hadn't been so bad.
And I know most anime thinks tropes are a total necessity, but I just could not get past how ultra-tropey the events and characters were. Considering the premise of the show, there's no way it should've been so predictable.
It could've been pretty awesome in better hands.
I really enjoyed Future Man more than I thought it would and binged all of it on Netflix.
There is really something warm about that show. It knows exactly what it's doing and does it really well.