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US Government Shutdown 2018/2019 - read mod post on pg 23
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No.
We call those people journalists.
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McConnell went home for the weekend already.
I wonder if I can get #DitchMcConnell trending on twitter
Don't get me wrong with my last post, that was a musing aloud about at what point the pressure becomes impossible, and I really hope the GOP blinks first. I think some of the cracking at the foundations we've seen in the house indicates the way that might go, not in a way I'd put money on, but I really hope that this ends soon and without creating a precedent problem that will come up again sooner rather than later.
I could maybe see a legislative coup over McConnell. Unfortunately the Senate doesn't have a Discharge Petition, but I think enough Senators can force the issue where either the vote occurs or a new Majority Leader vote occurs.
Maybe not on the administration, since Trump's a loon who doesn't listen to things outside of his echo chamber. I think he has fully embraced the fantasy that everybody in the country actually loves him. But I think it would put considerable pressure on Senators, who are much more forward thinking. Why put the big banks at risk when they rely on them to fund their campaigns?
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I don't see people (outside of the usual suspects) blaming Democrats any time soon.
It would be mighty hilarious, in a you gotta laugh at the darkness kind of way, to have a totally fucked federal government while the president went out to say the state of the union is strong.
We all know Trump can't stay focused on anything. He prefers if others take care of his problems. He likes to delegate. That was the subtext in his "I'll own the shutdown" line - he, as the boss, is used to taking on that stuff but he still expects his subordinates to hammer out the deal. So far, he sees the Legislature as his employees - and the Republicans are fine with this.
If something were to come along to distract Trump enough for him to spend, like, a day or two not thinking about the shutdown, he'd signal indifference enough that Mitch could vote through the clean CR.
Now, this won't happen as long as Fox News and other pundits continue screaming about the shutdown. But if it becomes the status quo where it isn't the top news story, or if something even bigger/more drastic comes along, then we'll see a shift.
Things I can think of that would be that big:
1) Anything with the Mueller investigation coming out.
2) Something happening in the Middle East, especially if it involves the Syria withdrawl
3) Some kind of natural disaster that the gov't can't respond to on shutdown.
4) Some kind of political pressure from our allies or from China.
Now, the consequences of any of these would be dire. But it would give juuuust a bit of wiggle room that they could slip out something to release the hostages.
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didn't last year's shutdown (ugh, what a phrase) also push back the SotU?
I just call it most of the people I went to highschool and college with and most of my family.
So close and yet so far.
This would just mean that Republicans refuse to pass any budget legislation under a Democratic President, since 4 years would only be a 14% reduction in budget.
I would hope Dems should boycott en-mass. You know the state of the union, it doesn't currently exist.
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American politics isn't 4D chess, it's just if you give a shit about other people or not.
But that's an event that already happened. It was the antidefficiency act, and to an extent the Civiletti Opinion on it.
I don't know what happened before the ADA, but during the Ford administration, we went from not having funding gaps and shutdowns to having funding gaps and shutdowns.
Edit: that was done without the hindsight the last seven administrations have given us, but you cannot look at our political parties today and say neither of them would ever play chicken with the government ever again if we just go ahead and set the parking brake now.
I mean #DitchMitch is hanging out right there
Public pressure can work on Republican congresspeople, who in turn can pressure either Trump or McConnell to fold. Several GOP Senators and House members are already calling for an end to the shutdown. Hopefully enough GOP members turn to force an end to the shutdown.
As Bobby Kogan, chief mathematician for the Senate Budget Committee, explains, this is actually a giant trap of a bill to allow the GOP to cut funding for popular social welfare programs without having direct connection to voting to defund them:
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That's almost a pretty good bill.
If we could get that along with getting rid of the pork spending ban, it might even work itself out, since GOP congresscritters love them some pork, and would have to vote through new budgets to get it.
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https://www.dw.com/en/magnetic-north-pole-is-changing-faster-than-forecast/a-47043665
Shrugging Atlases will tend to cave if they need to fend for themselves. Even the people who make rich people look poor want to live in countries with government-provided services, because people-money is barely spare change to nation-money.
They could leave, of course, if airtravel hasn't ceased to exist by the time they notice that they aren't supermen.
At Trump, quite likely. Especially since he's now on record rejecting compromises.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-has-lost-ground-in-the-shutdown-blame-game/
Edit:
https://www.wmtw.com/article/president-trump-rejected-compromise-to-reopen-government-sen-collins-says/25861387
So pressure McConnell to take a vote, and if he won't do it, then elect a new majority leader.
Not because they feel that it's the right thing, or that the shutdown is the Democrat's fault. But instead because they know the Democrats can DO something to end this, as opposed to Trump and the GOP who never will. And that's becoming increasingly obvious that they NEVER will.
At a certain point those who are impacted are going to not care for the nature of the solution, so long as they get pay. They need to eat, and make rent.
American politics isn't 4D chess, it's just if you give a shit about other people or not.
3 more Republican Senators make a majority. Not sure what they can wield procedurally, but Schumer does.
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Could Dems team up with a small number of Republicans to elect a new Republican majority leader?
Heck, the Republicans could just immediately re-elect McConnell after the government is open again.
That's even more the reason Democrats can't cave on this. The next shutdown will be worse. I know I say this from a position of privilege, but we're looking at the end of the republic. This absolutely a hill to die on, because otherwise we're dead anyway.
Hopefully elected dems will keep that in mind regardless of what their constituents clamor for.
So do somewhere between a third and half of Americans, too. Something to remember.
If you live in those states start calling your Senators offices and demand that they strike a deal with Democrats to end the shutdown. Kick Mitch McConnell out of leadership and a bill can be voted on. If Trump vetos it, we can worry about that bridge when we get there.
I’m not entirely sure how you meant this, but that fact doesn’t really lead me closer to sympathy and kindness or a desire to compromise with those people.