Splitting tips with the back of the house feels like bullshit because tipped employees make way less hourly than non-tipped on the justification that tips bring them up to minimum wage.
That's true. But unless business is really slow or people in the area are just really bad tippers, the tipped employees almost always end up making more than the regular kitchen staff. Often a lot more. $9-11 per hour is significantly more than the $3 per hour a server might be guaranteed, but it doesn't take much in the way of tips for the server to zoom past that.
Yeah but that’s taking away the money that’s supposed to be the buffer for those bad shifts.
Really everyone should just be paid a living wage so that tipping is unnecessary. But then people can’t feel a sense of superiority over someone so that’ll never happen.
There are plenty of restaurants in major cities where servers have almost no need for a buffer because business is almost never slow. I have no issue with someone in that situation having to put a small percentage into a pool.
Like, my brother has worked in multiple restaurants where servers have to tip out to bus boys or other non-tipped staff. On the rare occasion where someone stiffs him or leaves a garbage tip, that policy stings. But he's made upwards of $80,000 a year as a server, at more than one restaurant. Nobody should be feeling sorry for someone in a position like that having to tip out a bit. Someone in a diner that only has a few good shifts a week? Yeah, having to tip out would suck. But you don't usually see a policy like that in a place like that. You see it in the kind of booming urban restaurants my brother works at, where they know it's not an unreasonable burden.
And yet those booming restaurants that are always busy should be making MORE than enough money to just pay all their workers a decent wage?
They should, yeah. They'd have to raise prices by a bit first. But they don't for a variety of reasons.
The servers in those restaurants would rather tip out than have everybody start making a reasonable salary though. They would almost certainly make way less money than they do now, since customers would no longer feel compelled to tip.
Well, if you're going to do away with tipping... culture? customs? you're probably going to see a big change in the restaurant industry, ideally you would see something dramatically better, like staff getting proper health benefits, paid vacation, sick leave, things like that
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Something I've been wondering are if credit card tips are horseshit
Do the servers usually get them or is another way for management to bend them over? Is it lumped into their regular paycheck if they do or is it some weird taxi driver situation where they might not see it for months?
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KetarCome on upstairswe're having a partyRegistered Userregular
Something I've been wondering are if credit card tips are horseshit
Do the servers usually get them or is another way for management to bend them over? Is it lumped into their regular paycheck if they do or is it some weird taxi driver situation where they might not see it for months?
Credit card tips aren't horseshit.
Servers get them unless you're in some crazy shady place. It does happen once in a while, but not often, and they usually end up getting busted for it eventually.
I still try to give waiters half cash and half on the credit card for good service. I figure I'll leave it up to them if they want to report the cash and if any shady business is going on it gives them a chance to keep something while the rest gets stolen.
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Something I've been wondering are if credit card tips are horseshit
Do the servers usually get them or is another way for management to bend them over? Is it lumped into their regular paycheck if they do or is it some weird taxi driver situation where they might not see it for months?
Credit card tips aren't horseshit.
Servers get them unless you're in some crazy shady place. It does happen once in a while, but not often, and they usually end up getting busted for it eventually.
I believe the place I worked at was sued for exactly this, by a group of about a dozen servers. No clue what ever happened with that, though. The owners literally laughed it off.
Originally they would manually charge the tips and pay them in cash the same night. Then they started doing IOUs and paying them once or twice a week, which upset a lot of people. Finally they just started putting it on their paychecks and promising them the total was right while quite possibly skimming some and/or overtaxing them.
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Joke option Larlar?
Also re: tipping on pickup
You have no idea where that tip goes. Sometimes it goes to the bar, regardless of their input into the meal. Sometimes it goes to whoever rang it up. Sometimes it goes to whoever took the order.
Where I worked, it always went to the bar. The shake bar. And all they/we did was grab the meal from the kitchen window and hand it to the person after ringing it up. There was basically no real extra service.
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Splitting tips with the back of the house feels like bullshit because tipped employees make way less hourly than non-tipped on the justification that tips bring them up to minimum wage.
Depends on the state too; in California all servers are (at least supposed to be; it was true for everyone I personally knew) paid at least minimum wage regardless, tips do not factor into it at all (they can’t be used to make up wages in any way).
In my company in Washington - okay, it’s not a restaurant but it’s still a tipped industry - we tip out the store managers in addition to the budtenders because otherwise many of the budtenders would literally make more than the store managers on a weekly basis.
I am 32, my best friend is also 32. Hes has a college degree and was a class and a certification course away from being a certified nutritionist. He never did it and never will. Hes a server, use to be at a locally owned nicer burger/bar kind of place, but after years of them treating all their employees like trash (inducing me when I worked there for a hot minute as well as him when he won them 5 awards from a local paper for best service in the region) he finally left and went to a locally owned steak house. He was making good money at the old place, and is not making a significant amount more then me now. Its kind of insane.
However, he also has some stomach issues and has no insurance, so that extra money goes to medical bills. Him and I have gone back and forth on if the health insurance I get is worth making less since I feel like its near even in the wash.
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They should, yeah. They'd have to raise prices by a bit first. But they don't for a variety of reasons.
The servers in those restaurants would rather tip out than have everybody start making a reasonable salary though. They would almost certainly make way less money than they do now, since customers would no longer feel compelled to tip.
Do the servers usually get them or is another way for management to bend them over? Is it lumped into their regular paycheck if they do or is it some weird taxi driver situation where they might not see it for months?
Credit card tips aren't horseshit.
Servers get them unless you're in some crazy shady place. It does happen once in a while, but not often, and they usually end up getting busted for it eventually.
I believe the place I worked at was sued for exactly this, by a group of about a dozen servers. No clue what ever happened with that, though. The owners literally laughed it off.
Originally they would manually charge the tips and pay them in cash the same night. Then they started doing IOUs and paying them once or twice a week, which upset a lot of people. Finally they just started putting it on their paychecks and promising them the total was right while quite possibly skimming some and/or overtaxing them.
You have no idea where that tip goes. Sometimes it goes to the bar, regardless of their input into the meal. Sometimes it goes to whoever rang it up. Sometimes it goes to whoever took the order.
Where I worked, it always went to the bar. The shake bar. And all they/we did was grab the meal from the kitchen window and hand it to the person after ringing it up. There was basically no real extra service.
Depends on the state too; in California all servers are (at least supposed to be; it was true for everyone I personally knew) paid at least minimum wage regardless, tips do not factor into it at all (they can’t be used to make up wages in any way).
In my company in Washington - okay, it’s not a restaurant but it’s still a tipped industry - we tip out the store managers in addition to the budtenders because otherwise many of the budtenders would literally make more than the store managers on a weekly basis.
However, he also has some stomach issues and has no insurance, so that extra money goes to medical bills. Him and I have gone back and forth on if the health insurance I get is worth making less since I feel like its near even in the wash.