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[True Detective] CURRENT EPISODE SPOILERS UNMARKED!

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    A thought after this episode...
    Was West gay?

    I kind of feel like that might be the forgotten tension between Hayes and West. Or at least a part of it?

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  • PellaeonPellaeon Registered User regular
    Regardless of whatever else in this season, watching him deal with his memory loss is just brutal. Oof :(

  • CaptainPeacockCaptainPeacock Board Game Hoarder Top o' the LakeRegistered User regular
    Some of us are going to be just like that, if we make it that far.

    Therein lies the real horror, as far as I'm concerned.

    Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    Pellaeon wrote: »
    Regardless of whatever else in this season, watching him deal with his memory loss is just brutal. Oof :(

    The way he behaves is basically perfect for how an older person with memory loss works.
    Some of us are going to be just like that, if we make it that far.

    Therein lies the real horror, as far as I'm concerned.

    He's got it lucky honestly.

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  • CaptainPeacockCaptainPeacock Board Game Hoarder Top o' the LakeRegistered User regular
    From experience with my grandpa, I know. Where it leads to is heartbreaking.

    I just assume that it's getting started with Hayes, and that it's a long way down.

    Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2019
    Detective Honk to the rescue
    Hoyt is the biological father of Julie but not Will, Tom doesn’t know. I imagine they met in the chicken plant but I can’t recall if the dates match up for that. Lucy is in on it somehow... the letter to try and console Tom. Possibly she was getting paid to keep that secret, maybe Hoyt had other heirs. For one reason or another Hoyt decides he wants Julie back but... in a bunker in the basement. Will fought back and was killed during the abduction. The one-eyed man worked for Hoyt and has been bringing gifts to the kids. Julie escapes at some point. Security guy disappears Tom right after the episode ending we saw.

    Amelia will chase after the one-eyed man and probably die from an “accident” in 1990, I don’t think the one-eyed man is part of the evil crew. But Hoyt’s people are watching and security guy arranges for Amelia’s accident.

    Security man will implicate himself and gets killed by our True Detectives, possibly in retribution for killing Amelia, they know he’s in on the kidnapping but can’t get further up the chain.

    Interviewer been talking to grown up Julie.

    DA was pressured by Hoyt to put it on Woodard in the first place, he’s not in on it but “wouldn’t it be nice if this was wrapped up so people don’t have to be afraid and also here’s 50k for your campaign”.

    Twist: Tom is still alive in the basement in 2015 and is all the way fucked up.

    Remember where you heard it first!

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  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2019
    And uncle gets merc’d before the detectives find the 7k. That’s why the scene is the first real one from a perspective not of any of our protagonists - what we learned in that scene will not be learned by the main characters. No witnesses, that scene and Tom at the end was for the viewer.

    BONUS:
    Bunker theory: Amateur theory psychology and hippie drugs to condition her to forget her past and believe she just grew up at Hoyt’s.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    Just watching episode 6 now.

    Obviously the three leads are crushing it, but i haven't seen anyone praise the dad's performance

    He blows it away, the utter annihilating despair and then rickety self-reassembly

    And the mother is such a ragged open wound that it's almost impossible to tolerate her scenes at all

    The casting in this is superb (and I think the direction as well, to get this consistent level of performance)

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  • Drake ChambersDrake Chambers Lay out my formal shorts. Registered User regular
    Just watching episode 6 now.

    Obviously the three leads are crushing it, but i haven't seen anyone praise the dad's performance

    He blows it away, the utter annihilating despair and then rickety self-reassembly

    And the mother is such a ragged open wound that it's almost impossible to tolerate her scenes at all

    The casting in this is superb (and I think the direction as well, to get this consistent level of performance)

    Yes, dad really gets to shine in Ep 6:
    His wtf reaction to being accused during interrogation is one of the most raw and gut-wrenchingly plausible I've ever seen
    Drez wrote: »
    A thought after this episode...
    Was West gay?

    I kind of feel like that might be the forgotten tension between Hayes and West. Or at least a part of it?

    Yeah, I was thinking that too.
    It's not over-the-top but I think West is demonstrably uncomfortable with Hayes' anti-gay sentiment during the car ride. From a modern perspective perhaps it's unfair to assume that his being sympathetic to a gay man means "he must be gay!" but it's not the only clue we've had so far and I think that's where they're headed.


  • MsAnthropyMsAnthropy The Lady of Pain Breaks the Rhythm, Breaks the Rhythm, Breaks the Rhythm The City of FlowersRegistered User regular
    Just watching episode 6 now.

    Obviously the three leads are crushing it, but i haven't seen anyone praise the dad's performance

    He blows it away, the utter annihilating despair and then rickety self-reassembly

    And the mother is such a ragged open wound that it's almost impossible to tolerate her scenes at all

    The casting in this is superb (and I think the direction as well, to get this consistent level of performance)

    Scoot McNairy is pretty damned awesome. Was great on Halt and Catch Fire, too.

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  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    I love that his name is Scoot. What a funny name. Good actor, but dang what a funny name.

  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    He’s good.

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  • knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    So, episode 7

    Hoyt’s voice sounds so familiar but I just can’t place it. And how does he know what the detectives did? Was he tracking them to keep an eye on the investigation? Or was he tracking Harris James?

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    So, episode 7

    Hoyt’s voice sounds so familiar but I just can’t place it. And how does he know what the detectives did? Was he tracking them to keep an eye on the investigation? Or was he tracking Harris James?

    It’s
    Michael Rooker, from Guardians of the Galaxy and The Walking Dead and lots of other stuff.

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  • CaptainPeacockCaptainPeacock Board Game Hoarder Top o' the LakeRegistered User regular
    Fuuuuuuuuuck. The soundtrack over the closing scene and credits was the tits.

    Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    So, episode 7

    Hoyt’s voice sounds so familiar but I just can’t place it. And how does he know what the detectives did? Was he tracking them to keep an eye on the investigation? Or was he tracking Harris James?

    I am guessing he was/is tracking the cars of everyone involved in the investigation.

    The ultimate irony of this is going to be that past Wayne knows the truth and future Wayne won’t be able to remember.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    So, episode 7

    Hoyt’s voice sounds so familiar but I just can’t place it. And how does he know what the detectives did? Was he tracking them to keep an eye on the investigation? Or was he tracking Harris James?

    I am guessing he was/is tracking the cars of everyone involved in the investigation.

    The ultimate irony of this is going to be that past Wayne knows the truth and future Wayne won’t be able to remember.

    I'm not sure the facts at hand support that kind of supposition yet.

    I'm almost positive it's telepathy/omniscience. Hoyt is a cyborg that has a unique innate ability to know the owners of cars just by thinking about a car.

    Almost definitely where this series is headed.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    knitdan wrote: »
    So, episode 7

    Hoyt’s voice sounds so familiar but I just can’t place it. And how does he know what the detectives did? Was he tracking them to keep an eye on the investigation? Or was he tracking Harris James?

    I am guessing he was/is tracking the cars of everyone involved in the investigation.

    The ultimate irony of this is going to be that past Wayne knows the truth and future Wayne won’t be able to remember.
    It's giving me a slight Memento vibe where the people present-West is hunting may already be in unmarked graves.
    Maybe he cut Roland out after the mishap with the security guy and the new found threat of Hoyt. His decision to go it alone would call back to his extended recon / lone wolf Vietnam shit, and further explain why be broke from Roland completely 25 years ago.

    Would also explain why Roland doesn't seem to know anything beyond the security guy.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Drez wrote: »
    knitdan wrote: »
    So, episode 7

    Hoyt’s voice sounds so familiar but I just can’t place it. And how does he know what the detectives did? Was he tracking them to keep an eye on the investigation? Or was he tracking Harris James?

    I am guessing he was/is tracking the cars of everyone involved in the investigation.

    The ultimate irony of this is going to be that past Wayne knows the truth and future Wayne won’t be able to remember.

    I'm not sure the facts at hand support that kind of supposition yet.

    I'm almost positive it's telepathy/omniscience. Hoyt is a cyborg that has a unique innate ability to know the owners of cars just by thinking about a car.

    Almost definitely where this series is headed.

    Turns out the real monster

    Was cyborgs

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    I'm enjoying the season, but I feel like the whole thing is a palette swap of season 1. It's well done, but it's so similar it's distracting.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I'm enjoying the season, but I feel like the whole thing is a palette swap of season 1. It's well done, but it's so similar it's distracting.

    I disagree. The differences are really important.

    S1 had the underlying dread and horror being that nobody really cared about what happened to the kids, that the shit was just going on in the background and that the bad things they did would keep happening to them. And the unreliable narrator was because the narrators were being deliberately.

    S3 has the unreliable narrator be because the narrator's memory is swiss cheese. The horror is not really about the kids right now, not to me. The horror to me is what is happening with Wayne. Not really knowing what's going on, not knowing if he is contradicting his past statements or if he simply has no real memory of them. The cosmic horror of this season seems to be 'eventually even you will forget who you are and what you have done.' Where season 1 had the meta-narrative of "what if we just relive these mistakes over and over through time" S3 has this "what if we relive our mistakes because we are trapped in a body that can't remember them."

    S3 has really tapped into a well of discomfort and unease that I don't see happen much.

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    Wayne's dementia maps onto Rust's depression.
    The interview format is pretty obvious.
    The events of this episode mirror
    the murder and staged shootout.
    It's not 1 to 1, the performances are engaging in a different way and maybe memory is a tougher subject for you than nihilism, but the broad strokes story is way too similar for my tastes.

  • knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    Perhaps you’d prefer 4 protagonists in an industrial wasteland and a meandering story about municipal corruption.

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    The only 2 options available were a redux of season 1 or season 2?

  • knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    I was being cheeky, but I really don’t see a lot of similarities between season 1 and 3 aside from tone and a few common themes.

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  • Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    So I didn’t quite catch all the dialogue from the part where the reporter is interviewing old Wayne, but did she:
    Directly reference the case in Season 1? She mentioned Louisiana and pedophile rings and something about a crooked spiral. That’s got to be a direct callback to the first season, right?

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  • KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    So I didn’t quite catch all the dialogue from the part where the reporter is interviewing old Wayne, but did she:
    Directly reference the case in Season 1? She mentioned Louisiana and pedophile rings and something about a crooked spiral. That’s got to be a direct callback to the first season, right?
    She showed pictures of Rust and Cole, so yes. The reporter is directly referencing season 1

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    It also referenced the dark spiral from S1 that was a code for Lovecraft shit.

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  • Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    Kruite wrote: »
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    So I didn’t quite catch all the dialogue from the part where the reporter is interviewing old Wayne, but did she:
    Directly reference the case in Season 1? She mentioned Louisiana and pedophile rings and something about a crooked spiral. That’s got to be a direct callback to the first season, right?
    She showed pictures of Rust and Cole, so yes. The reporter is directly referencing season 1

    I totally missed that. I need to pay more attention when watching this apparently.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    So I didn’t quite catch all the dialogue from the part where the reporter is interviewing old Wayne, but did she:
    Directly reference the case in Season 1? She mentioned Louisiana and pedophile rings and something about a crooked spiral. That’s got to be a direct callback to the first season, right?

    Yes, she also holds up a newspaper with their pictures on it! Idk why that got me all excited, but it did.

  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    The only 2 options available were a redux of season 1 or season 2?

    It's more that the biggest complaint about season 2 was that it was too far from season 1.

    So they tapped back into some of what made season 1 so special but also made it its own thing.

    Basically, this is what people wanted and what they will probably continue to do should they make more.

    I, like many others, am thankful for it because it gives it a sort of cohesion as a series. It's what I am looking to watch when I come to this particular series. I also don't think season 1 and 3 are nearly as close as you are saying. But that they have some more similarities is exactly what a majority of people were asking for after season 2.

  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    What I wanted out of season 2 was to not have to look at and/or listen to Vince Vaughn and it failed to deliver in spectacular fashion

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  • RhahRhah Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Perhaps you’d prefer 4 protagonists in an industrial wasteland and a meandering story about municipal corruption.

    That sounds like a great show premise. Where do I sign up?

  • Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    Goddamn. That was both brutal and exhilarating.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Im still not clear on which of them was the true detective.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Im still not clear on which of them was the true detective.

    The true detective was the friends we made along the way.

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  • RhahRhah Registered User regular
    I liked it.

  • CaptainPeacockCaptainPeacock Board Game Hoarder Top o' the LakeRegistered User regular
    Damned fine. Got me right in the feels.

    Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
  • knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    That was a well done finale

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    In all seriousness, I totally called that Past Wayne would solve it and Future Wayne would Forget It. I was just off by a decade on which was Past Wayne.

    The mystery was a wet fart, in my opinion, and also not at all really important. I think this season spent too long sprinkling in red herrings that didn't really go anywhere instead of focusing on the real dread, but when it did focus on that dread it worked really well.

    If I made any changes to the season I would have had future Wayne solving more of the mysteries he had already previously solved. Again, I think this season was at its best when tapping into the horror of losing yourself, your progress, your memory, and the life you had lived.

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