I remember some sort of article to the effect that while smoking advertising is basically dead the occurrence of diegetic smoking in media is way up and man as someone who flirts with stopping smoking there is a lot of fuckin delicious sensual smoking getting done in media, like I was watching True Detective and Mahershala Ali lit a smoke and cupped it just so and had a toke and leaned back in his chair real slow like he was gettin sucked off it was wild god I want a cigarette
I am fairly certain your avatar wasn't smoking until this post
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Also, regarding "Being Wolverine would suck." Being Spider-Man would also suck ass. Partially responsible for the death of a loved one, relentlessly driven to self sacrifice, to the point of having incredible potential but barely making ends meet day to day, while also having an abbrasive loudmouth slander (or libel) you 24/7 while you work for him.
Also there's an entire city full of supervillians who want nothing more than to beat your ass stupid.
Every single kid has put three knives between their fingers and pretended to be wolverine
maybe one of the characters that literally everyone wants to be shouldn't be exibiting an easily emulatable habit that kills you
My boyfriend can attest I do this with french fries to this day.
Bagel.
Please.
This is important.
Do not try to retract the fries back into your hand.
...now you tell me
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I mean, the short answer is because the character doesn't want to do heroin.
And you can also go into how it's a lot of effort for something that will have basically no effect on him.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Also, regarding "Being Wolverine would suck." Being Spider-Man would also suck ass. Partially responsible for the death of a loved one, relentlessly driven to self sacrifice, to the point of having incredible potential but barely making ends meet day to day, while also having an abbrasive loudmouth slander (or libel) you 24/7 while you work for him.
Also there's an entire city full of supervillians who want nothing more than to beat your ass stupid.
Kids still want to be Spider-Man.
No, being Spider-Man is awesome.
Being Peter Parker sucks ass.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Is there some sort of superpowered R. Crumbish ultradegenerate in the Marvel pantheon, unkillably injecting heroin into their eyeballs and vaping meth with a mouthful of LSD while, I dunno, foiling crime at the dog race track or something
Broke as fuck in the style of the times. Gratitude is all that can return on your generosity.
Is there some sort of superpowered R. Crumbish ultradegenerate in the Marvel pantheon, unkillably injecting heroin into their eyeballs and vaping meth with a mouthful of LSD while, I dunno, foiling crime at the dog race track or something
There was that time where Red Skull was selling some kind of super heroin and Steve blew up a lab, but the heroin somehow bonded to the super soldier serum, so we got superasshole Steve until the Avengers convinced him to let them take out all his blood and try to clean it, leaving Steve underpowered for awhile.
It kind of got overshadowed by Kingpin and Red Skull having a duel in their underwear over Red Skull's drug trade. (Kingpin won by literally falling on Red Skull, pinning him to the ground until he capitulated)
Oddly, there's a bit where Steve goes "I can be Captain America WITHOUT the serum!" so after the Avengers clean his blood, he doesn't want it back. Eventually the serum in the rest of his body turns his new blood super as well and he goes back to being a super soldier.
However, I'm not sure what the Avengers did with his super blood.
There was that time where Red Skull was selling some kind of super heroin and Steve blew up a lab, but the heroin somehow bonded to the super soldier serum, so we got superasshole Steve until the Avengers convinced him to let them take out all his blood and try to clean it, leaving Steve underpowered for awhile.
It kind of got overshadowed by Kingpin and Red Skull having a duel in their underwear over Red Skull's drug trade. (Kingpin won by literally falling on Red Skull, pinning him to the ground until he capitulated)
Oddly, there's a bit where Steve goes "I can be Captain America WITHOUT the serum!" so after the Avengers clean his blood, he doesn't want it back. Eventually the serum in the rest of his body turns his new blood super as well and he goes back to being a super soldier.
However, I'm not sure what the Avengers did with his super blood.
It seems kind of weird to me that it's cool to show Wolverine fucking disemboweling a guy, like he'll die now or minutes later in screaming agony I guess
But we can't show him having a crafty fag around the back of the Xavier Institute Bike Sheds between lessons?
On the other hand, is this a hill to die on? Not really. I'm just saying. Like Marvel heroes are supposed to be pseudo-realistic and people do have a smoke every now and again.
DC Heroes should all be banned from smoking though
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Oh yeah, UK slang. Got my blood up for a second there when I scrolled
Is there some sort of superpowered R. Crumbish ultradegenerate in the Marvel pantheon, unkillably injecting heroin into their eyeballs and vaping meth with a mouthful of LSD while, I dunno, foiling crime at the dog race track or something
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Oh right, gross
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It seems kind of weird to me that it's cool to show Wolverine fucking disemboweling a guy, like he'll die now or minutes later in screaming agony I guess
But we can't show him having a crafty fag around the back of the Xavier Institute Bike Sheds between lessons?
On the other hand, is this a hill to die on? Not really. I'm just saying. Like Marvel heroes are supposed to be pseudo-realistic and people do have a smoke every now and again.
DC Heroes should all be banned from smoking though
Disembowling someone is not something that is easily emulated or particularly normalized by seeing portrayed in media. Most people don't, actually, have a smoke every now and again, and the idea of that being a thing is one our media is actively trying to dis-promote, after smoking propaganda being basically the backbone of our entertainment industry for nearly the entire existence of the industry created a massive tobacco issue.
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It seems kind of weird to me that it's cool to show Wolverine fucking disemboweling a guy, like he'll die now or minutes later in screaming agony I guess
But we can't show him having a crafty fag around the back of the Xavier Institute Bike Sheds between lessons?
On the other hand, is this a hill to die on? Not really. I'm just saying. Like Marvel heroes are supposed to be pseudo-realistic and people do have a smoke every now and again.
DC Heroes should all be banned from smoking though
Disembowling someone is not something that is easily emulated or particularly normalized by seeing portrayed in media. Most people don't, actually, have a smoke every now and again, and the idea of that being a thing is one our media is actively trying to dis-promote, after smoking propaganda being basically the backbone of our entertainment industry for nearly the entire existence of the industry created a massive tobacco issue.
Yeah like I said I wouldn't die on the hill, like
It just seems weird to me
I guess the question is whether one sees these characters as supposed to be representative of regular humans, with all the flaws thereof, or heroic characters who in some way should be displaying emulateable behaviour
Would you suggest that smoking would be something banned in other forms of media? Not a trick question just curious
On the subject of whether or not it would suck to be Wolverine: One of my favorite depictions of an immortal, ever, is Hob Gadling in Gaiman's "The Sandman". Most of the immortals I've seen up until then were glum and mopey, all "Who Wants To Live Forever", and it's understandable for all the reasons we've already discussed. Then here's Hob, who isn't particularly special or distinctive in any way, and is granted immortality on a whim by two bored Endless. He lives several centuries, and when he and Morpheus meet again after Hob's had a particularly rough time (his family dying, the neighbors going after him on accusations of witchcraft, etc.), Morpheus asks him if he's ready to die, now. Hob thinks a bit and goes "Nah, there's still so much to live for".
I think that's the most unique depiction of a familiar archetype I've ever seen. Yeah, life's rough, and multiple lives back-to-back are even rougher, and the pain and misery build up - but there's so much to live for. That really resonated with me.
I think Logan quitting smoking because he realized it was a bad influence on the kids is a pretty great display of his character arc TBH.
I agree, but again, I do not remember this happening
If it did and I am just not aware then fair enough
But the way I remember it going down is Joe Q issued his ban and they literally had to edit some already drawn comics to remove cigarettes and cigars and then the closest we got was Aunt May telling him not to smoke in front of her
As a dirty smoker, I have been conditioned to stand as far away from other humans as possible while lighting up, so Wolverine should be able to smoke in the comics, just way off panel.
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I think Logan quitting smoking because he realized it was a bad influence on the kids is a pretty great display of his character arc TBH.
I agree, but again, I do not remember this happening
If it did and I am just not aware then fair enough
But the way I remember it going down is Joe Q issued his ban and they literally had to edit some already drawn comics to remove cigarettes and cigars and then the closest we got was Aunt May telling him not to smoke in front of her
On the subject of whether or not it would suck to be Wolverine: One of my favorite depictions of an immortal, ever, is Hob Gadling in Gaiman's "The Sandman". Most of the immortals I've seen up until then were glum and mopey, all "Who Wants To Live Forever", and it's understandable for all the reasons we've already discussed. Then here's Hob, who isn't particularly special or distinctive in any way, and is granted immortality on a whim by two bored Endless. He lives several centuries, and when he and Morpheus meet again after Hob's had a particularly rough time (his family dying, the neighbors going after him on accusations of witchcraft, etc.), Morpheus asks him if he's ready to die, now. Hob thinks a bit and goes "Nah, there's still so much to live for".
I think that's the most unique depiction of a familiar archetype I've ever seen. Yeah, life's rough, and multiple lives back-to-back are even rougher, and the pain and misery build up - but there's so much to live for. That really resonated with me.
Everyone likes to shit on immortality like boohoo I'll be bored boohoo everyone I know will die, it's like I'm bored and everyone I know is dying and I'm mortal let's try out immortal why not
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You know that's a good point why doesn't Wolverine just fuckin shoot bad brown heroin all the time, an invincible man not shooting heroin is kind of an insult in a way
Because then he'd swing around a dead cat in an alley, duh
You know that's a good point why doesn't Wolverine just fuckin shoot bad brown heroin all the time, an invincible man not shooting heroin is kind of an insult in a way
Because then he'd swing around a dead cat in an alley, duh
I'm missing something here
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I obviously don’t have the comic in front of me, but it’s something I am positive I have seen before, where Wolverine opens up about how he has cut back on his vices because he is a teacher and a role model.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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You know that's a good point why doesn't Wolverine just fuckin shoot bad brown heroin all the time, an invincible man not shooting heroin is kind of an insult in a way
Because then he'd swing around a dead cat in an alley, duh
On the subject of whether or not it would suck to be Wolverine: One of my favorite depictions of an immortal, ever, is Hob Gadling in Gaiman's "The Sandman". Most of the immortals I've seen up until then were glum and mopey, all "Who Wants To Live Forever", and it's understandable for all the reasons we've already discussed. Then here's Hob, who isn't particularly special or distinctive in any way, and is granted immortality on a whim by two bored Endless. He lives several centuries, and when he and Morpheus meet again after Hob's had a particularly rough time (his family dying, the neighbors going after him on accusations of witchcraft, etc.), Morpheus asks him if he's ready to die, now. Hob thinks a bit and goes "Nah, there's still so much to live for".
I think that's the most unique depiction of a familiar archetype I've ever seen. Yeah, life's rough, and multiple lives back-to-back are even rougher, and the pain and misery build up - but there's so much to live for. That really resonated with me.
Everyone likes to shit on immortality like boohoo I'll be bored boohoo everyone I know will die, it's like I'm bored and everyone I know is dying and I'm mortal let's try out immortal why not
All the time you need to procrastinate? Fuckin sign me up
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You know that's a good point why doesn't Wolverine just fuckin shoot bad brown heroin all the time, an invincible man not shooting heroin is kind of an insult in a way
Because then he'd swing around a dead cat in an alley, duh
I feel like being immortal would have been harder on one's mental well-being centuries ago. There's like a billion different hobbies and past-times, now, with a dozen new hobbies (and entire fan communities) being invented every second. You'd need a lot more discipline back then not to go a little wobbly; now you can just be like "I guess I'll try some macrame this week".
On the subject of whether or not it would suck to be Wolverine: One of my favorite depictions of an immortal, ever, is Hob Gadling in Gaiman's "The Sandman". Most of the immortals I've seen up until then were glum and mopey, all "Who Wants To Live Forever", and it's understandable for all the reasons we've already discussed. Then here's Hob, who isn't particularly special or distinctive in any way, and is granted immortality on a whim by two bored Endless. He lives several centuries, and when he and Morpheus meet again after Hob's had a particularly rough time (his family dying, the neighbors going after him on accusations of witchcraft, etc.), Morpheus asks him if he's ready to die, now. Hob thinks a bit and goes "Nah, there's still so much to live for".
I think that's the most unique depiction of a familiar archetype I've ever seen. Yeah, life's rough, and multiple lives back-to-back are even rougher, and the pain and misery build up - but there's so much to live for. That really resonated with me.
Everyone likes to shit on immortality like boohoo I'll be bored boohoo everyone I know will die, it's like I'm bored and everyone I know is dying and I'm mortal let's try out immortal why not
All the time you need to procrastinate? Fuckin sign me up
I feel like being immortal would have been harder on one's mental well-being centuries ago. There's like a billion different hobbies and past-times, now, with a dozen new hobbies (and entire fan communities) being invented every second. You'd need a lot more discipline back then not to go a little wobbly; now you can just be like "I guess I'll try some macrame this week".
Eh, I know enough people who struggle with depression (and have enough struggles with it myself) to consider immortality anything but a curse.
It’s a little like some of the less-powerful versions of vandal savage; he’s not really that super or smart or whatever, but compound interest is a motherfucker
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How do you eat french fries then?
It is because of heavy experimentation that has a total disregard for the safety and sanctity of my body, though, I'll tell you that.
I am fairly certain your avatar wasn't smoking until this post
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Also there's an entire city full of supervillians who want nothing more than to beat your ass stupid.
Kids still want to be Spider-Man.
...now you tell me
And you can also go into how it's a lot of effort for something that will have basically no effect on him.
No, being Spider-Man is awesome.
Being Peter Parker sucks ass.
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It kind of got overshadowed by Kingpin and Red Skull having a duel in their underwear over Red Skull's drug trade. (Kingpin won by literally falling on Red Skull, pinning him to the ground until he capitulated)
Oddly, there's a bit where Steve goes "I can be Captain America WITHOUT the serum!" so after the Avengers clean his blood, he doesn't want it back. Eventually the serum in the rest of his body turns his new blood super as well and he goes back to being a super soldier.
However, I'm not sure what the Avengers did with his super blood.
Sold it on the black market as a hyperdrug
But we can't show him having a crafty fag around the back of the Xavier Institute Bike Sheds between lessons?
On the other hand, is this a hill to die on? Not really. I'm just saying. Like Marvel heroes are supposed to be pseudo-realistic and people do have a smoke every now and again.
DC Heroes should all be banned from smoking though
Oh right, gross
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Disembowling someone is not something that is easily emulated or particularly normalized by seeing portrayed in media. Most people don't, actually, have a smoke every now and again, and the idea of that being a thing is one our media is actively trying to dis-promote, after smoking propaganda being basically the backbone of our entertainment industry for nearly the entire existence of the industry created a massive tobacco issue.
Yeah, I'd missed that part of it, and that's a much better way to handle it than a straight editorial mandate.
Yeah like I said I wouldn't die on the hill, like
It just seems weird to me
I guess the question is whether one sees these characters as supposed to be representative of regular humans, with all the flaws thereof, or heroic characters who in some way should be displaying emulateable behaviour
Would you suggest that smoking would be something banned in other forms of media? Not a trick question just curious
Oh yeah sorry
It's literally just the word used for it by everyone like, "cigarette" is almost weirdly formal to me!
Nah you're good. It's just a word my eyes automatically scan for when reading something online. I just saw it before the context
I think that's the most unique depiction of a familiar archetype I've ever seen. Yeah, life's rough, and multiple lives back-to-back are even rougher, and the pain and misery build up - but there's so much to live for. That really resonated with me.
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I agree, but again, I do not remember this happening
If it did and I am just not aware then fair enough
But the way I remember it going down is Joe Q issued his ban and they literally had to edit some already drawn comics to remove cigarettes and cigars and then the closest we got was Aunt May telling him not to smoke in front of her
I mean, that'd probably work on most people.
Everyone likes to shit on immortality like boohoo I'll be bored boohoo everyone I know will die, it's like I'm bored and everyone I know is dying and I'm mortal let's try out immortal why not
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Because then he'd swing around a dead cat in an alley, duh
I'm missing something here
This roughly covers it: http://comicsalliance.com/rise-of-arsenal-justice-league-worst/
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Eh, I know enough people who struggle with depression (and have enough struggles with it myself) to consider immortality anything but a curse.
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