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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    SimBen wrote: »
    Is Fist of the North Star the distant future of the timeline where Kamurocho got destroyed in a zombie apocalypse or the one where it didn't?

    the one where it was destroyed in a nuclear war, if I remember my fist of the north star intro right

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    SimBen wrote: »
    Is Fist of the North Star the distant future of the timeline where Kamurocho got destroyed in a zombie apocalypse or the one where it didn't?

    the one where it was destroyed in a nuclear war, if I remember my fist of the north star intro right

    Hmm, that doesn't answer the question, more research is needed

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    SimBen wrote: »
    Yakuza

    just do Yakuza

    and please don't avoid the fact that the Yakuza timeline splits after 4

    Looking forward to the Kamurocho Historia to sort it all out

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    It's actually canonical that part of the reason Kiryu gets into so many street fights is that older yakuza explicitly bullshit younger yakuza about him being an easy mark as a form of hazing

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    Ms DapperMs Dapper Yuri Librarian Registered User regular
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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    Austin

    No

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    DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    mmm

    if they left out the alt history stuff i might be interested, but that bullshit feels like it has to be addressed on a podcast all about the lore and

    no thank you, especially in light of recent releases

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    mmm

    if they left out the alt history stuff i might be interested, but that bullshit feels like it has to be addressed on a podcast all about the lore and

    no thank you, especially in light of recent releases

    ugh, that's actually a good point

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The proper way to do a Lore episode about Homestuck is to make it actually about Problem Sleuth.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular


    Did anyone want to argue that EA is the worst publisher still or

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    this is evil

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular


    Did anyone want to argue that EA is the worst publisher still or

    EA is also responsible for thousands of lost jobs that could have been avoided if not for unreasonable greed.

    At this point I'm fine calling them both garbage companies and not touching their output ever again.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I hope this further fuels games unionization efforts

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    jaziekjaziek Bad at everything And mad about it.Registered User regular
    Kotick could be out there strangling puppies and it wouldn't stop them making ten trillion dollars selling loot boxes.

    it's awful, but what is there to be done? These companies are just unstoppable moneymaking juggernauts. Its a race to the bottom. The smallest amount of effort / employee cost for the maximum amount of revenue.

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    TallahasseerielTallahasseeriel Registered User regular
    jaziek wrote: »
    Kotick could be out there strangling puppies and it wouldn't stop them making ten trillion dollars selling loot boxes.

    it's awful, but what is there to be done? These companies are just unstoppable moneymaking juggernauts. Its a race to the bottom. The smallest amount of effort / employee cost for the maximum amount of revenue.

    Unionize

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    eat the rich imo

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    jaziekjaziek Bad at everything And mad about it.Registered User regular
    Uriel wrote: »
    jaziek wrote: »
    Kotick could be out there strangling puppies and it wouldn't stop them making ten trillion dollars selling loot boxes.

    it's awful, but what is there to be done? These companies are just unstoppable moneymaking juggernauts. Its a race to the bottom. The smallest amount of effort / employee cost for the maximum amount of revenue.

    Unionize

    you're not wrong, but I doubt they'd let that happen. They don't need unionised workers when they have thousands of exploitable fresh graduates willing to work 24/7 for a pittance just to be in the industry.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    saying 'that wont work' doesn't help anyone but the elite

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    jaziek wrote: »
    Uriel wrote: »
    jaziek wrote: »
    Kotick could be out there strangling puppies and it wouldn't stop them making ten trillion dollars selling loot boxes.

    it's awful, but what is there to be done? These companies are just unstoppable moneymaking juggernauts. Its a race to the bottom. The smallest amount of effort / employee cost for the maximum amount of revenue.

    Unionize

    you're not wrong, but I doubt they'd let that happen. They don't need unionised workers when they have thousands of exploitable fresh graduates willing to work 24/7 for a pittance just to be in the industry.

    They definitely do, because bringing in untrained labor with no experience would have a tangible impact on their product.

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    TallahasseerielTallahasseeriel Registered User regular
    jaziek wrote: »
    Uriel wrote: »
    jaziek wrote: »
    Kotick could be out there strangling puppies and it wouldn't stop them making ten trillion dollars selling loot boxes.

    it's awful, but what is there to be done? These companies are just unstoppable moneymaking juggernauts. Its a race to the bottom. The smallest amount of effort / employee cost for the maximum amount of revenue.

    Unionize

    you're not wrong, but I doubt they'd let that happen. They don't need unionised workers when they have thousands of exploitable fresh graduates willing to work 24/7 for a pittance just to be in the industry.

    I refer you to the betgirl's post above

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    jaziek wrote: »
    Uriel wrote: »
    jaziek wrote: »
    Kotick could be out there strangling puppies and it wouldn't stop them making ten trillion dollars selling loot boxes.

    it's awful, but what is there to be done? These companies are just unstoppable moneymaking juggernauts. Its a race to the bottom. The smallest amount of effort / employee cost for the maximum amount of revenue.

    Unionize

    you're not wrong, but I doubt they'd let that happen. They don't need unionised workers when they have thousands of exploitable fresh graduates willing to work 24/7 for a pittance just to be in the industry.

    If the whole of Activision agreed to unionise, Activision would be totally fucked. That's a monumental task, but if it happened it would turn off their lights. There are not enough exploitable graduates to replace an entire workforce, and they would be attempting to replace years of institutional knowledge overnight.

    The workers have all the power in this situation. Any one individual at the company can doubtless be replaced if they make a fuss. The idea that all of them can be replaced is not true.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    jaziek wrote: »
    Uriel wrote: »
    jaziek wrote: »
    Kotick could be out there strangling puppies and it wouldn't stop them making ten trillion dollars selling loot boxes.

    it's awful, but what is there to be done? These companies are just unstoppable moneymaking juggernauts. Its a race to the bottom. The smallest amount of effort / employee cost for the maximum amount of revenue.

    Unionize

    you're not wrong, but I doubt they'd let that happen. They don't need unionised workers when they have thousands of exploitable fresh graduates willing to work 24/7 for a pittance just to be in the industry.

    You're right, we should get rid of the executives and have the workers own the company

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    TallahasseerielTallahasseeriel Registered User regular
    I bet if the workers owned activitision the games would get way better.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    If everyone at Activision walked out in a union strike, it would probably shut off their lights. They couldn't afford for that to happen for even a single week. WoW would go offline, imagine the lost revenue from that alone. Maybe they can get a scab to do basic server upkeep, but I wouldn't guarantee it. Do they then pay out credits to subscribers who didn't get to play their game? That's millions of dollars, or risk of a class action lawsuit.

    Activision would either capitulate immediately to union demands or simply shutter the company. Strikes are incredibly powerful, the hard part is getting the employees to realise that.

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    the follow up tweet from schreier makes it even more stark

    this is what the cartoon evil version of a company would do

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    jaziek wrote: »
    Uriel wrote: »
    jaziek wrote: »
    Kotick could be out there strangling puppies and it wouldn't stop them making ten trillion dollars selling loot boxes.

    it's awful, but what is there to be done? These companies are just unstoppable moneymaking juggernauts. Its a race to the bottom. The smallest amount of effort / employee cost for the maximum amount of revenue.

    Unionize

    you're not wrong, but I doubt they'd let that happen. They don't need unionised workers when they have thousands of exploitable fresh graduates willing to work 24/7 for a pittance just to be in the industry.

    Remember the longest government shutdown that ended just a few weeks ago in the US? It didn't end because of anything politicians did. It ended because a union of flight attendants said 'this is fucked, fix it or we aren't coming to work' and them not coming to work would have caused so much disruption to US travel, both business and commercial, the US executive caved immediately, just at the threat of air transit being disrupted for even one day.

    Companies spend a lot of time and money strategizing ways to hide it, but workers have all the power.

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    jaziekjaziek Bad at everything And mad about it.Registered User regular
    I guess I'm just too much of a pessimist to believe that such change is possible.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    the follow up tweet from schreier makes it even more stark

    this is what the cartoon evil version of a company would do

    this is what real life versions of companies have BEEN doing

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    If everyone at Activision walked out in a union strike, it would probably shut off their lights. They couldn't afford for that to happen for even a single week. WoW would go offline, imagine the lost revenue from that alone. Maybe they can get a scab to do basic server upkeep, but I wouldn't guarantee it. Do they then pay out credits to subscribers who didn't get to play their game? That's millions of dollars, or risk of a class action lawsuit.

    Activision would either capitulate immediately to union demands or simply shutter the company. Strikes are incredibly powerful, the hard part is getting the employees to realise that.

    The hardest part is getting a contact list going to generate interest without management finding out and immediately firing the organizers / instigators.

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited February 2019
    Knight_ wrote: »
    the follow up tweet from schreier makes it even more stark

    this is what the cartoon evil version of a company would do

    this is what real life versions of companies have BEEN doing

    they usually don't say it like this! the normal real life evil companies (that is to say, all companies) will at least separate the record profits from the exact same call as the announcement of massive layoffs.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    jaziek wrote: »
    I guess I'm just too much of a pessimist to believe that such change is possible.

    The nuclear option outlined above is probably unlikely, because getting 9000 people to pull in the same direction is very difficult. Getting 20% of them, even 10%, to strike would still cause enormous disruption and be essentially unsustainable for Activision. Imagine trying to fill 900 job vacancies, even low level ones, on short notice.

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    TallahasseerielTallahasseeriel Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    jaziek wrote: »
    I guess I'm just too much of a pessimist to believe that such change is possible.

    The nuclear option outlined above is probably unlikely, because getting 9000 people to pull in the same direction is very difficult. Getting 20% of them, even 10%, to strike would still cause enormous disruption and be essentially unsustainable for Activision. Imagine trying to fill 900 job vacancies, even low level ones, on short notice.

    I could imagine a domino effect too if they don't capitulate totally and immediately. Where they continue to lose more labor to support of the strike the longer the management holds out.

    The problem is I imagine activision corporate culture isn't going to be attractive to a lot of people in favor of organized labor.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    This system is set up to reward companies for massive layoffs, or rather, it's set up to reward executives for massive layoffs. This isn't going to stop without a number of things changing. Unionizing, at the very least, will at least mitigate the effect on the people who actually suffer the consequences, and would probably also help with the shitload of other indignities game companies force on their employees.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    Unionising is an important step, but honestly this should be an actual, literal crime that executives go to prison for. This is beyond market solutions.

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    Unionising is an important step, but honestly this should be an actual, literal crime that executives go to prison for. This is beyond market solutions.

    You cshould be able to make a case for embezzlement; with executives taking away labor costs from the company (and the associated revenue generated from said labor), and enriching themselves.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Every day capitalism proves more and more that it cannot work

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Unionising is an important step, but honestly this should be an actual, literal crime that executives go to prison for. This is beyond market solutions.

    You cshould be able to make a case for embezzlement; with executives taking away labor costs from the company (and the associated revenue generated from said labor), and enriching themselves.

    Oh but they do that every day

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Ms Dapper wrote: »

    Yeah sorry, I'm pretty sure my tweet solidified the decision.

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    TallahasseerielTallahasseeriel Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Unionising is an important step, but honestly this should be an actual, literal crime that executives go to prison for. This is beyond market solutions.

    You cshould be able to make a case for embezzlement; with executives taking away labor costs from the company (and the associated revenue generated from said labor), and enriching themselves.

    Oh but they do that every day

    It's like they are thieving... Wages?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Uriel wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    Unionising is an important step, but honestly this should be an actual, literal crime that executives go to prison for. This is beyond market solutions.

    You cshould be able to make a case for embezzlement; with executives taking away labor costs from the company (and the associated revenue generated from said labor), and enriching themselves.

    Oh but they do that every day

    It's like they are thieving... Wages?

    We call that embezzlement.

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