The Cult of Personality is one of the things that distinguishes Fascism from Authoritarian conservatism etc. It's one of the core and vital parts of Fascism.
Also, modern mass media allowing personality cults to completely permeate society at all times, places, and levels distinguishes it from what we see before the invention of radio and tv. Fascism doesn't exist without the all encompassing media environment of the 20th century.
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"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
It used to exist on a smaller scale for this reason. The near religious (or sometimes religious) worship of a current institutions or individual is something many government types use.
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
On the previous page coin, a minor redeeming factor. I believe that gift shop is a private, non government store that basically just focuses on selling kitschy shit at all times. Some marketing person came up with that idea, unaffiliated with the government. Technically they were granted a permit and permanent location, but they are a for profit kitsch store.
I was in Washington for training a few years back, and had enough time to wander around and check out some of the monuments. During that journey, I found a gift shop (perhaps the same one?).
After perusing the various odds and ends they had for sale, I snagged a shot glass. It's not a huge collection, but as far as memorabilia of trips, they're small and fairly resilient to damage.
Now that Trump is president, it feels all the more special, because I more regularly wish for a stiff drink.
Though in retrospect, I don't actually use the shotglasses all that often, I really should stop getting more of them.
It's pretty good. The imagery on stage as they sing the anthem and the pledge of allegiance is straight out of The Man in the High Castle.
The film makers tried to buy national ad time during Hannity and Fox rejected the ad as too controversial, and I'm genuinely more troubled than than mad.
God I hate the people that say it can't happen here. That short is video evidence that damned well yes it can.
IIRC it was the largest single day rally anywhere on Earth during the Third Reich age, that wasn't the annual Nuremburg fete in Germany from 1933-1938.
USA, USA ,USA!
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God I hate the people that say it can't happen here. That short is video evidence that damned well yes it can.
IIRC it was the largest single day rally anywhere on Earth during the Third Reicb age, that wasn't the annual Nuremburg fete in Germany from 1933-1938.
God I hate the people that say it can't happen here. That short is video evidence that damned well yes it can.
IIRC it was the largest single day rally anywhere on Earth during the Third Reich age, that wasn't the annual Nuremburg fete in Germany from 1933-1938.
USA, USA ,USA!
Really? From what I can find it was 20,000 people. That really doesn't seem like that many people.
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God I hate the people that say it can't happen here. That short is video evidence that damned well yes it can.
IIRC it was the largest single day rally anywhere on Earth during the Third Reich age, that wasn't the annual Nuremburg fete in Germany from 1933-1938.
USA, USA ,USA!
Really? From what I can find it was 20,000 people. That really doesn't seem like that many people.
Some European ones that were multiple days got up to around 100k+ and took over whole towns, but the Great American Bund got between 20-23k in one day.
I'll have to check my figures again. At the least I know it was the largest in the Western Hemisphere.
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God I hate the people that say it can't happen here. That short is video evidence that damned well yes it can.
The only reason the US and some other countries avoided getting on the fascist train back in the 30's was basically pure luck in the political leaders at the time. There's no reason that FDR couldn't have gone full Father Coughlin or that Hoover couldn't have tried to whip up anger at a scapegoat after the crash other than the fact that they generally weren't garbage people. This doesn't excuse the population of the countries that went that direction from their complicity, but it definitely doesn't mean that the US is somehow uniquely immune to the lure of fascism.
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God I hate the people that say it can't happen here. That short is video evidence that damned well yes it can.
The only reason the US and some other countries avoided getting on the fascist train back in the 30's was basically pure luck in the political leaders at the time. There's no reason that FDR couldn't have gone full Father Coughlin or that Hoover couldn't have tried to whip up anger at a scapegoat after the crash other than the fact that they generally weren't garbage people. This doesn't excuse the population of the countries that went that direction from their complicity, but it definitely doesn't mean that the US is somehow uniquely immune to the lure of fascism.
Pretty much. If you live in a country that did not go fascist in the 30's, you can only thank pure luck. There was a movement, and it was large, and it was closer to power that it seems now.
America is fascist, it looks different, but it's there
The first red scare, the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned everyone about, the McCarthyism, the Kent State massacre, the massacres of Black activists ignored by the media, the earnest jingoism of the 80s and 90s, the Patriot act bullshit and hero worship of "the troops" post 911, the NFL partnership with the military to have a nearly compulsory anthem performance
And the complete disregard of the veterans once they're done with their service is probably an aspect of it too
He's trying to make some ham fisted look both leftists and Mussolini want big government and know it'll restrict freedom. But, because he's an idiot, he doesn't realize democratic socialists fought and died trying to stop Mussolini.
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America is fascist, it looks different, but it's there
The first red scare, the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned everyone about, the McCarthyism, the Kent State massacre, the massacres of Black activists ignored by the media, the earnest jingoism of the 80s and 90s, the Patriot act bullshit and hero worship of "the troops" post 911, the NFL partnership with the military to have a nearly compulsory anthem performance
And the complete disregard of the veterans once they're done with their service is probably an aspect of it too
The Jim Crow south was absolutely a set of fascist states complete with successful ethnic cleansing campaigns. Their influences continues today in policies like restrictive voting laws and the modern ideology of the Republican party. Indeed, fascism is baked into the American social and political structures. It already has and is happening here.
They are targeting a profitable market segment. Just the standard "associate our clothing with this lifestyle". It's just that said lifestyle is american conservatism.
They are targeting a profitable market segment. Just the standard "associate our clothing with this lifestyle". It's just that said lifestyle is american conservatismfascism.
Can't say I'm surprised. There are few markets as much connected with identity and self-expression as the clothing market. People dress as what they want to be and how they want to be seen, in particular young people. The ad is more earnest and less troll-like than the alt-Right generally is, but otherwise it speaks to a fairly similar audience, I'd say, namely young reactionaries.
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I don't want to understand how someone can see riot cops, armored and armed to the teeth, facing down peaceful (if angry) protesters and identify with them as the good guys.
I don't want to understand how someone can see riot cops, armored and armed to the teeth, facing down peaceful (if angry) protesters and identify with them as the good guys.
Because the riot cop saluted the flag and played football and the rioters had a flag and a lighter.
Obviously the riot cop is the good guy!
(there is no good guy, riots are fucking desperate and awful for everyone involved)
I don't want to understand how someone can see riot cops, armored and armed to the teeth, facing down peaceful (if angry) protesters and identify with them as the good guys.
Because the riot cop saluted the flag and played football and the rioters had a flag and a lighter.
Obviously the riot cop is the good guy!
(there is no good guy, riots are fucking desperate and awful for everyone involved)
There may not be a good guy, but there sure as shit is a bad guy
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I don't want to understand how someone can see riot cops, armored and armed to the teeth, facing down peaceful (if angry) protesters and identify with them as the good guys.
There's a lot of people in America who think if cops are going after someone, they deserve it. Ironically, there is a lot of overlap with that group and people scared the government is gonna get em. Lots of cognitive dissonance and racism.
I don't want to understand how someone can see riot cops, armored and armed to the teeth, facing down peaceful (if angry) protesters and identify with them as the good guys.
Because the riot cop saluted the flag and played football and the rioters had a flag and a lighter.
Obviously the riot cop is the good guy!
(there is no good guy, riots are fucking desperate and awful for everyone involved)
I don't want to understand how someone can see riot cops, armored and armed to the teeth, facing down peaceful (if angry) protesters and identify with them as the good guys.
There's a lot of people in America who think if cops are going after someone, they deserve it. Ironically, there is a lot of overlap with that group and people scared the government is gonna get em. Lots of cognitive dissonance and racism.
Cops aren't The Government. Cops are hard-working blue collar folk just like them. The Government is anonymous men who never did a day's honest work in their lives, but can ruin a million Real Americans with the stroke of a pen.
If anything, I find the soldier worship more interesting. If The Government ever did come after them, who exactly do they think they'd send?
I don't want to understand how someone can see riot cops, armored and armed to the teeth, facing down peaceful (if angry) protesters and identify with them as the good guys.
There's a lot of people in America who think if cops are going after someone, they deserve it. Ironically, there is a lot of overlap with that group and people scared the government is gonna get em. Lots of cognitive dissonance and racism.
Cops aren't The Government. Cops are hard-working blue collar folk just like them. The Government is anonymous men who never did a day's honest work in their lives, but can ruin a million Real Americans with the stroke of a pen.
If anything, I find the soldier worship more interesting. If The Government ever did come after them, who exactly do they think they'd send?
Faceless men in suits.
Most definitely not the american heroes that is the military.
Like, i have had arguments where people insist that they need guns to fight government tyranny, and when the fight starts, army will obviously side with the people.
I don't want to understand how someone can see riot cops, armored and armed to the teeth, facing down peaceful (if angry) protesters and identify with them as the good guys.
There's a lot of people in America who think if cops are going after someone, they deserve it. Ironically, there is a lot of overlap with that group and people scared the government is gonna get em. Lots of cognitive dissonance and racism.
Cops aren't The Government. Cops are hard-working blue collar folk just like them. The Government is anonymous men who never did a day's honest work in their lives, but can ruin a million Real Americans with the stroke of a pen.
If anything, I find the soldier worship more interesting. If The Government ever did come after them, who exactly do they think they'd send?
Faceless men in suits.
Most definitely not the american heroes that is the military.
Like, i have had arguments where people insist that they need guns to fight government tyranny, and when the fight starts, army will obviously side with the people.
That's my favorite thread to poke at. Why do you need guns? Because I need to keep the government in check in case of tyranny. So you can take on the army? You're gonna shoot American men and women serving their country? No way, the army is gonna be on my side. Then why do you need a gun?
To tie it more directly into the thread, I'm always curious what their tipping point is when they think it's suddenly going to be ok for them to start murdering people. Half the time they say when someone comes for their guns and half the time they just kinda sputter out. But it is kind of a good thing to ponder about. At what point would armed rebellion even be a thing? From what I've seen of fascism in the world today, it's a slow thing that creeps up and unravels over time. Outside of someone usurping power or refusing to leave office with a military behind them, fascism isn't really something you can oppose outside of voting, volunteering, and challenging legally.
I imagine at any given point a lot of people are past the point where they're morally okay with violence, but they're just not going to go be a terrorist for no benefit.
And usually, if enough people are getting pissed off in unison that it may evolve into something more, they manage to secure victory via politics instead.
I worry a bit about what that means over time for peace in, say, a country where a shrinking minority of reactionaries can continue to dominate without necessarily cheating because of the non-democratic allocation of voting power in its legislature and a bit of luck with appointments to the highest court of the nation. Hypothetically.
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There is no ideology. There is no higher thought or reasoning behind it. All they want to do is be the schoolyard bully beating up the smallest kid every day and getting away with it, forever. That's it. Punch down with no consequences, make other people hurt without getting hurt back. That's why you can't reason or argue people out of it, pointing out their hypocrisies and lies; they didn't come to this conclusion but started at it and warp their thoughts and very image of reality around their emotional existence.
I don't want to understand how someone can see riot cops, armored and armed to the teeth, facing down peaceful (if angry) protesters and identify with them as the good guys.
There's a lot of people in America who think if cops are going after someone, they deserve it. Ironically, there is a lot of overlap with that group and people scared the government is gonna get em. Lots of cognitive dissonance and racism.
Cops aren't The Government. Cops are hard-working blue collar folk just like them. The Government is anonymous men who never did a day's honest work in their lives, but can ruin a million Real Americans with the stroke of a pen.
If anything, I find the soldier worship more interesting. If The Government ever did come after them, who exactly do they think they'd send?
Faceless men in suits.
Most definitely not the american heroes that is the military.
Like, i have had arguments where people insist that they need guns to fight government tyranny, and when the fight starts, army will obviously side with the people.
That's my favorite thread to poke at. Why do you need guns? Because I need to keep the government in check in case of tyranny. So you can take on the army? You're gonna shoot American men and women serving their country? No way, the army is gonna be on my side. Then why do you need a gun?
To tie it more directly into the thread, I'm always curious what their tipping point is when they think it's suddenly going to be ok for them to start murdering people. Half the time they say when someone comes for their guns and half the time they just kinda sputter out. But it is kind of a good thing to ponder about. At what point would armed rebellion even be a thing? From what I've seen of fascism in the world today, it's a slow thing that creeps up and unravels over time. Outside of someone usurping power or refusing to leave office with a military behind them, fascism isn't really something you can oppose outside of voting, volunteering, and challenging legally.
It's never about rebellion against the government, it's protection against the scary black man that is going to try to invade their house at any second.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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Also, ebum and I seeming to contradict each other is actually #8 of Umberto Eco's 14 properties of Fascism: the enemy is simultaneously too strong and too weak. It's a similar thing to the right-wing media constantly making fun of liberals for being useless and weak while also being absolutely terrified that the liberals will come take their guns and hamburgers while turning them gay. Wanting other races to be held down and be designated punching bag classes while also being terrified that the punching bags will hit them back fits perfectly into fascist thought, which is based on contradictions. It's all a bunch of doublethink.
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Also, modern mass media allowing personality cults to completely permeate society at all times, places, and levels distinguishes it from what we see before the invention of radio and tv. Fascism doesn't exist without the all encompassing media environment of the 20th century.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
After perusing the various odds and ends they had for sale, I snagged a shot glass. It's not a huge collection, but as far as memorabilia of trips, they're small and fairly resilient to damage.
Now that Trump is president, it feels all the more special, because I more regularly wish for a stiff drink.
Though in retrospect, I don't actually use the shotglasses all that often, I really should stop getting more of them.
I've actually had a pair of challenge coins made for a fan group in the past. Which is to say, I know a gal who can make that happen...
But a run of 100+ coins (their minimum, far as I know) is a bit expensive for a gag.
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It's pretty good. The imagery on stage as they sing the anthem and the pledge of allegiance is straight out of The Man in the High Castle.
The film makers tried to buy national ad time during Hannity and Fox rejected the ad as too controversial, and I'm genuinely more troubled than than mad.
(Politico person)
Here's the ad for the Oscar nominated, festival winning short they refused:
https://player.vimeo.com/video/316176375
Here's some stills from a 30s trailer they aired for Dinesh D'Souza's presumably shitfest of a movie in August:
(Daily Beast editor)
Up to and including the poor guy getting beaten and dragged out.
IIRC it was the largest single day rally anywhere on Earth during the Third Reich age, that wasn't the annual Nuremburg fete in Germany from 1933-1938.
USA, USA ,USA!
~ Buckaroo Banzai
Wonderful. I didn't know about it. Fucking hell.
Really? From what I can find it was 20,000 people. That really doesn't seem like that many people.
I'll have to check my figures again. At the least I know it was the largest in the Western Hemisphere.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
The only reason the US and some other countries avoided getting on the fascist train back in the 30's was basically pure luck in the political leaders at the time. There's no reason that FDR couldn't have gone full Father Coughlin or that Hoover couldn't have tried to whip up anger at a scapegoat after the crash other than the fact that they generally weren't garbage people. This doesn't excuse the population of the countries that went that direction from their complicity, but it definitely doesn't mean that the US is somehow uniquely immune to the lure of fascism.
Pretty much. If you live in a country that did not go fascist in the 30's, you can only thank pure luck. There was a movement, and it was large, and it was closer to power that it seems now.
The first red scare, the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned everyone about, the McCarthyism, the Kent State massacre, the massacres of Black activists ignored by the media, the earnest jingoism of the 80s and 90s, the Patriot act bullshit and hero worship of "the troops" post 911, the NFL partnership with the military to have a nearly compulsory anthem performance
And the complete disregard of the veterans once they're done with their service is probably an aspect of it too
John Cornyn is a sitting United States Senator.
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He's saying the quiet part out loud again.
The Jim Crow south was absolutely a set of fascist states complete with successful ethnic cleansing campaigns. Their influences continues today in policies like restrictive voting laws and the modern ideology of the Republican party. Indeed, fascism is baked into the American social and political structures. It already has and is happening here.
Nate Bethea is a writer and podcaster, mostly military oriented.
This literally looks like the trailer for a freakin dystopia movie wtf?
Anyone?
Clothing. That was an ad for a clothing brand.
They are targeting a profitable market segment. Just the standard "associate our clothing with this lifestyle". It's just that said lifestyle is american conservatism.
Clothing that shoots hippies in the face.
'Murican clothing.
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Because the riot cop saluted the flag and played football and the rioters had a flag and a lighter.
Obviously the riot cop is the good guy!
(there is no good guy, riots are fucking desperate and awful for everyone involved)
There may not be a good guy, but there sure as shit is a bad guy
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There's a lot of people in America who think if cops are going after someone, they deserve it. Ironically, there is a lot of overlap with that group and people scared the government is gonna get em. Lots of cognitive dissonance and racism.
Sure, but what the ad showed wasn't a riot.
Cops aren't The Government. Cops are hard-working blue collar folk just like them. The Government is anonymous men who never did a day's honest work in their lives, but can ruin a million Real Americans with the stroke of a pen.
If anything, I find the soldier worship more interesting. If The Government ever did come after them, who exactly do they think they'd send?
Most definitely not the american heroes that is the military.
Like, i have had arguments where people insist that they need guns to fight government tyranny, and when the fight starts, army will obviously side with the people.
That's my favorite thread to poke at. Why do you need guns? Because I need to keep the government in check in case of tyranny. So you can take on the army? You're gonna shoot American men and women serving their country? No way, the army is gonna be on my side. Then why do you need a gun?
To tie it more directly into the thread, I'm always curious what their tipping point is when they think it's suddenly going to be ok for them to start murdering people. Half the time they say when someone comes for their guns and half the time they just kinda sputter out. But it is kind of a good thing to ponder about. At what point would armed rebellion even be a thing? From what I've seen of fascism in the world today, it's a slow thing that creeps up and unravels over time. Outside of someone usurping power or refusing to leave office with a military behind them, fascism isn't really something you can oppose outside of voting, volunteering, and challenging legally.
And usually, if enough people are getting pissed off in unison that it may evolve into something more, they manage to secure victory via politics instead.
I worry a bit about what that means over time for peace in, say, a country where a shrinking minority of reactionaries can continue to dominate without necessarily cheating because of the non-democratic allocation of voting power in its legislature and a bit of luck with appointments to the highest court of the nation. Hypothetically.
There is no ideology. There is no higher thought or reasoning behind it. All they want to do is be the schoolyard bully beating up the smallest kid every day and getting away with it, forever. That's it. Punch down with no consequences, make other people hurt without getting hurt back. That's why you can't reason or argue people out of it, pointing out their hypocrisies and lies; they didn't come to this conclusion but started at it and warp their thoughts and very image of reality around their emotional existence.
It's never about rebellion against the government, it's protection against the scary black man that is going to try to invade their house at any second.