Re: the People of the British Isles project, there was a bias in the result because the survey was limited to people whose known ancestors had lived exclusively in an area (many of these people already past retirement age, so their grandparents would've been alive during the 19th century)
The idea was to find the most stable lineages so maybe a genetic echo from earlier periods of British history would emerge, so it was specifically designed to produce the data it yielded
I love roman busts. My favourite is the famous one of Caracalla.
So much emotion.
My second favourite is Caligula because his bust was originally painted, and by identifying the paint particles, they replicated the aproximate look of the original bust.
He looks so familiar.....
Funny note: Caligula isn't his real name, it's his nick name. Apparently when he was a kid, his dad took his family along while he was a general in Gaul. The kid got a replica kid set of armour, including army boots. So everyone would call him "Little Boots" So, adorable right?
Suetonius was also notably gossipy, and wrote about Nero some decades after Nero's death (Suetonius himself was born after Nero's death). There's a fair amount of evidence from comparing with sources contemporary to Nero that Suetonius either made up or just published a lot of rumors as fact about Nero in particular.
By several accounts, opinion of Nero swayed hugely. Some of the senatorial class hated him because of his plebian birth, and others loved him because he gave them gifts. Not a huge amount is actually known about his political rule, but he's pretty uniformly described as a very unhappy man.
We can all agree, that no matter the hair colour, Nero looks like he carried a body pillow with an image of Venus on it, yelled at his mother Agrippina to get him more garum for his fried chicken, and would get angry that the Vestal Virgins wouldn't sleep with him.
Man painted statuary looks fuckin tacky as shit, I wonder if our garbage will look better after sittin around a couple thousand years
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I was under the impression that most of the modern painting done to antiquity statues, or replicas thereof, look like shit because it's a lost art, not because the greeks and romans did it bad
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
I was under the impression that most of the modern painting done to antiquity statues, or replicas thereof, look like shit because it's a lost art, not because the greeks and romans did it bad
Well, their aesthetic values were completely different as well.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
Yeah, the Greeks and Romans both painted their statues, as a rule
Also, buildings.
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Probably a little bit of both, honestly
We know they were painted, but we don't really know how they were painted (there's like, a little bit we can determine from archaeological record, but not as much as would really be helpful most of the time)
But also the Romans loved tacky bullshit in every other instance, so...
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
We know they were painted, but we don't really know how they were painted (there's like, a little bit we can determine from archaeological record, but not as much as would really be helpful most of the time)
But also the Romans loved tacky bullshit in every other instance, so...
If you see reconstructions with white skin and red lips for example, that's sometimes because traces of color have only been preserved in one spot
They also had aesthetic preferences and sensibilities which were different from our own, this is not readily apparent but we look at their art through a mirror (we admire and we're used to the look of the unpainted statues because the color was lost)
We also are probably biased against painted Greco-Roman sculpture because we've almost exclusively ever seen extant examples of them sans paint. To us, they are "supposed" to be unpainted, so ones that have color look wrong to us.
Hell, thinking about it, Renaissance sculpture up to the modern day isn't painted at all, is it? We fully based an entire art form on an incorrect viewing of an older version.
Just a heads up, the guy didn't get named the "Enemy of all Mankind" for nothing. Just ask the people of Alexandria.
It's funny, I checked his wikipedia page to see what his deal was earlier, and it's like "he enfranchised a bunch of people, minted a new type of coin, made a really big bath," and I'm thinking huh, sounds like a pretty cool guy, "commited massacres, plural" oh.
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Also you find all shades in Italy and eg Turkish people with red hair
Most of the markers used to distinguish European populations on a genetic level are relatively recent mutations, like in cases 19th century recent
The idea was to find the most stable lineages so maybe a genetic echo from earlier periods of British history would emerge, so it was specifically designed to produce the data it yielded
So much emotion.
My second favourite is Caligula because his bust was originally painted, and by identifying the paint particles, they replicated the aproximate look of the original bust.
He looks so familiar.....
Funny note: Caligula isn't his real name, it's his nick name. Apparently when he was a kid, his dad took his family along while he was a general in Gaul. The kid got a replica kid set of armour, including army boots. So everyone would call him "Little Boots" So, adorable right?
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Suetonius was also notably gossipy, and wrote about Nero some decades after Nero's death (Suetonius himself was born after Nero's death). There's a fair amount of evidence from comparing with sources contemporary to Nero that Suetonius either made up or just published a lot of rumors as fact about Nero in particular.
By several accounts, opinion of Nero swayed hugely. Some of the senatorial class hated him because of his plebian birth, and others loved him because he gave them gifts. Not a huge amount is actually known about his political rule, but he's pretty uniformly described as a very unhappy man.
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Dear Satan.....
See, I read it as "Who just farted? Did one of you just fart over there?"
Well, their aesthetic values were completely different as well.
Also, buildings.
We know they were painted, but we don't really know how they were painted (there's like, a little bit we can determine from archaeological record, but not as much as would really be helpful most of the time)
But also the Romans loved tacky bullshit in every other instance, so...
What's not to love about tacky bullshit?
They also had aesthetic preferences and sensibilities which were different from our own, this is not readily apparent but we look at their art through a mirror (we admire and we're used to the look of the unpainted statues because the color was lost)
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Hell, thinking about it, Renaissance sculpture up to the modern day isn't painted at all, is it? We fully based an entire art form on an incorrect viewing of an older version.
This guy's hot.
thracians and gauls were classically attributed as having many redheads, so gingers absolutely existed in the late roman period
Just a heads up, the guy didn't get named the "Enemy of all Mankind" for nothing. Just ask the people of Alexandria.
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Nero is of the Julio-Claudian dynasty though
I wouldn't say it's impossible, and we don't really have a lot of information on the appearance of the non-emperor members of that family
But it does seem unusual for an old Roman family
I mean I didn't think they didn't exist, I've just never associated them with that part of the world before.
I meant that post in the sense that they totally existed a bunch in the empire at that point in time