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unknown cipher

number13number13 Registered User regular
edited March 6 in Help / Advice Forum
so, truly not pressing... but i'm in a game with some friends and we were given a cipher to solve. while it looks (?) like a normal substitution cipher i have no idea what the key is? but then i'm no good at these so don't take my word for it. if anyone has any ideas though, i'd appreciate it!

edit: so apparently the initial code was wrong. and while it is for sure a double transposition cipher (with unknown keywords), the new (and presumably correct) cipher is

HCEWNOSERMINLEMHETTETHONHITKWLLIEMCODMCANTOCTWITHOTMECSERTEAHIGEBORHOOD

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 5
    It could be, but also looks like it could just be scrambled?

    edit: I plugged the whole thing into Google just to see what would come up and I think I may be on some lists now. Maybe don't google it.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
    satan
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  • number13number13 Registered User regular
    ceres wrote: »
    It could be, but also looks like it could just be scrambled?

    edit: I plugged the whole thing into Google just to see what would come up and I think I may be on some lists now. Maybe don't google it.

    lol TAKEN INTO ADVISEMENT. i also considered a scramble but she specifically mentioned using a cipher type so i'm not sure. entirely possible though!

    2w3e5cp.jpg
  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Since I don't want to ruin your fun, I suggest you just play with ciphers. This is one of the better resources.

    http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/

    What is this I don't even.
    Elvenshae
  • number13number13 Registered User regular
    yeah i've been looking there actually, thanks for the suggestion! i'm uh... TOTALLY okay with spoilers lol. i've been at this for way too long.

    if you want you could let me know what cipher is actually being used and/or spoiler the answer so i only look at it when i'm at my wits end?

    2w3e5cp.jpg
  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    The punctuation signs and capital letters at odd positions certainly make it look scrambled. But I tried feeding some of the strings into a Scrabble Word Finder and came up empty.

    If it's a cipher, I see two single-letter words, c and h. There are only two single-letter words in English, a and i. So you have two match-up possibilities to begin. There are three OR FOUR double-letters as well: oo, ee, mm, and iI (if lower-case and upper-case map to the same original letter) that would have limited choices as well.

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  • number13number13 Registered User regular
    yeah, i'm looking at crypto corner and i also used cryptobreak to try to at least narrow down the type of cipher used, and i think that it might be a double transposition cipher.

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    Well now I have something to hard stare at all day at work. Super.

    ceresnumber13Cambiata
  • number13number13 Registered User regular
    dispatch.o wrote: »
    Well now I have something to hard stare at all day at work. Super.

    it haunts my waking moments

    2w3e5cp.jpg
    Cambiata
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    I was up till 1:30am thinking about this and I am displeased.

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
    satan
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  • number13number13 Registered User regular
    edited March 7
    if it helps, it's a little messenger silent hill based game. there was a note that accompanied the cipher:

    "On the altar at the center of the church, it’s clear someone has been there recently. The smell of burning incense lingers in the air, and the stubs of it are still in a bowl on the altar, along with a reed, a snakeskin, and a flower with white blossoms and oblong leaves, the same flower that grows in abundance on the lake shore. There’s a note left in the bowl, From your loving devotee."

    and an additional note found by character investigation that reads:

    "It seems shoved in one of the corners of the pews is a scrap of notepaper someone was scribbling on.

    Morning prayers done kneeling on gravel to imagine God's suffering

    Reflect on God's sacrifice

    Remember to meet Wolfhound at six to make delivery

    Bruises are God's kisses???

    Offerings to God should always have reeds and snakes

    (Real snakes? Priest says representations are fine and not to let loose live snakes in church)

    Keep better track of your notes!!!"

    if you're familiar at all with silent hill this helps narrow down the key words but none of the combinations i've tried have worked. but an additional hint that was given is that the key words are referenced in both notes.

    number13 on
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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Bruises are God's kisses wtf

    Can I get a list of relevant place names?

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
    satan
  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    number13 wrote: »
    if it helps, it's a little messenger silent hill based game. there was a note that accompanied the cipher:

    "On the altar at the center of the church, it’s clear someone has been there recently. The smell of burning incense lingers in the air, and the stubs of it are still in a bowl on the altar, along with a reed, a snakeskin, and a flower with white blossoms and oblong leaves, the same flower that grows in abundance on the lake shore. There’s a note left in the bowl, From your loving devotee."

    and an additional note found by character investigation that reads:

    "It seems shoved in one of the corners of the pews is a scrap of notepaper someone was scribbling on.

    Morning prayers done kneeling on gravel to imagine God's suffering

    Reflect on God's sacrifice

    Remember to meet Wolfhound at six to make delivery

    Bruises are God's kisses???

    Offerings to God should always have reeds and snakes

    (Real snakes? Priest says representations are fine and not to let loose live snakes in church)

    Keep better track of your notes!!!"

    if you're familiar at all with silent hill this helps narrow down the key words but none of the combinations i've tried have worked. but an additional hint that was given is that the key words are referenced in both notes.

    In both notes specifically, or just in both bits of information? Because from this it looks like the first note is just "From your loving devotee" which doesn't leave a lot of room for two keyword references (unless 1 keyword is referenced in each note).

  • FryFry Registered User regular
    number13 wrote: »
    HCEWNOSERMINLEMHETTETHONHITKWLLIEMCODMCANTOCTWITHOTMECSERTEAHIGEBORHOOD

    Looking at this string with my human eyeballs, my brain says the words "Willamette" and "Neighborhood" are in there. Clearly there is a Dead Rising crossover going on

    kime
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    See jumping out at me initially was blah blah blah blah "code can't act without me" blah "neighborhood." But that's not really a cipher, it's a glance. And "reeds" and "snakes" jump out from both sets of info, though I have no idea what you'd do with those words in the cipher.

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
    satan
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    This particular one looks like a scramble or letters were dropped because of how many word and word-like chunks there are.

    borhood without the neigh, "withot" without its u (and no extra U to be found)

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, don't @ me
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Every time I take what it looks like and try to make a pattern it falls apart.

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
    satan
  • number13number13 Registered User regular
    in a double transposition cipher the keywords are essentially used to jumble the cipher text. so, if reeds were one, you would number the letters in the word "reeds" in alphabetical order, and then break the cipher text down by letter in a grid moving down in a row. but then in a double transposition you would take the jumbled cipher and then do it AGAIN with a SECOND keyword.

    and yeah, i tried any combination of reeds and serpents and claudia (the flower). i was thinking the 'loving devotee' was claudia wolf, and that maybe that would mean claudia is mentioned in both notes (wolfhound?), but nothing has worked for me so far.

    you can kind of get a sense of the lore on the wiki, but it essentially boils down to an adam and eve-esque story where the world was perpetually suffering, and a man and a woman offered a snake and a reed in prayer for joy and salvation and gave birth to god. the note was also found in the lutheran church with the halo of the sun and also the paintings of god, which you'll see in the myth portion of the god wiki.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    It's very likely a keyed vigenere cipher, or some variant.

    What is this I don't even.
  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 8
    So this is an actual Silent Hill game, and not just from a game like it? For some reason that's how I read the post so I didn't think Silent Hill stuff would help me.

    Also I have never played Silent Hill.

    ceres on
    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
    satan
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