And I would say overall harmful to imply that any important black characters in the universe must come from this one fictional African country.
And you're be missing out on the opportunity of giving Ororo reason be super critical of Wakanda's isolationism while neighboring countries suffered.
Killmonger already had that critique in Black Panther, though
Not saying it can't be brought up again but that doesn't seem like a hefty enough reason to mal Ororo Wakandan, IMO
If anything it would be even more pointed to have her be from one of those suffering countries and be pissed off about it
Yeah no, I mean it's a good reason to make her not Wakandan. Like it's great you're out here helping out now, but you're telling me ten years ago while we were next door suffering from a plague/famine/war etc you could have easily solved you were just hanging out in your flying cars? It'd be good to have a point of view that sees the newly emerged Wakandan outreach with some context.
It's also important for true diverse representation, to have characters of different backgrounds with different viewpoints who can clash with one another, or else you wind up with cultural tokenism.
Isn't Storm's backstory (at least at one point) that she's Kenyan and lost her family in an event that collapsed her house? Seems like the kind of thing you could really easily write, if Wakanda must be involved, as a jab as Wakanda's failure in helping develop their East African neighbors
Turns out Sokovia is just the modern name of the ancient kingdom of Latveria and the new guy in charge is just going back to its roots.
Ugh I could see them actually doing this one
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I think there are some interesting angles you can take with the Sokovia incident:
-- The destruction of Sokovia has a lot of indirect issues in the region, some of them impacting the small nation of Latveria. And with the Avengers not caring to help repair or clean up that mess, Doom just fucking despises superheroes.
-- The destruction of Sokovia leads to political imbalance and in a regional power vacuum, newcomer Victor von Doom swoops in and sets himself up as a despot.
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edited March 2019
Eh, clearly I am going to go back in time and fix this post to be less pointlessly negative
Be Excellent, Marvel thread
(ps I watched Spider-Verse two night in a row, and I'm still jazzed and want to watch it again tonight)
Isn't Storm's backstory (at least at one point) that she's Kenyan and lost her family in an event that collapsed her house? Seems like the kind of thing you could really easily write, if Wakanda must be involved, as a jab as Wakanda's failure in helping develop their East African neighbors
Well, she's American for some reason (her father was American, mother Kenyan, lived in Egypt. Never understood the need to make her American, it's not like there was a shortage of American Marvel characters.)
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Isn't Storm's backstory (at least at one point) that she's Kenyan and lost her family in an event that collapsed her house? Seems like the kind of thing you could really easily write, if Wakanda must be involved, as a jab as Wakanda's failure in helping develop their East African neighbors
Well, she's American for some reason (her father was American, mother Kenyan, lived in Egypt. Never understood the need to make her American, it's not like there was a shortage of American Marvel characters.)
Yeah that's some backstory that can be cut right out if you ask me
Storm as a Black Panther villian makes more sense.
(Back in her weather goddess days senses something weird in those mountains whoops secret kingdom of unimaginable wealth hoarding from people who desperately need Storm to even raise crops, book it.)
Storm as a Black Panther villian makes more sense.
(Back in her weather goddess days senses something weird in those mountains whoops secret kingdom of unimaginable wealth hoarding from people who desperately need Storm to even raise crops, book it.)
On its face I like this pitch a lot
My only concern is that it might look like they're trying to get some of that Killmonger vibe again with a black villain criticizing Wakanda for hoarding its wealth
wait so storm is from harlem and from egypt and from kenya
Her mother is Kenyan, her father is an American photojournalist. Her parents met in Kenya, fell in love, got married and moved to Harlem, where she was born. Shortly after that, they moved to Egypt. They died when she was about six, during a terrorist attack I think (their building was destroyed and young Storm was trapped in the rubble for a while, which is why she's claustrophobic now).
As an orphan she worked for the Shadow King as a thief for a bit (and initially met Charles Xavier during this time when she picked his pocket), and then at some point after that left and became a goddess. I think technically that was in Tanzania, because it was said to be in the Serengeti (which is over 3,000 miles from Cairo, so who knows how she ended up there).
Straightzi on
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Man, what if the MCU just went ahead with the idea that Xavier has been mass mind-wiping folks to erase any coverage of the X-Men (or larger mutant threats) but all of those incidents are still big historical moments.
So the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Three-Mile Island incidents? Still X-Men events.
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edited March 2019
"I was up in the Canadian Rockies when I encountered it. My buddies and I had just poisoned a bear with a few barbed arrows when the Wendigo came for us. Short, stocky, covered in hair. A trail of faint smoke came from his mouth. His claws cut through our weapons like they were nothing. After killing my friends, he stole all the beer in our camp and stormed off into the wilderness. The only words I ever heard were, 'bub.'"
"I was up in the Canadian Rockies when I encountered it. My buddies and I had just poisoned a bear with a few barbed arrows when the Wendigo came for us. Short, stocky, covered in hair. A trail of faint smoke came from his mouth. His claws cut through our weapons like they were nothing. After killing my friends, he stole all the beer in our camp and stormed off into the wilderness. The only words I ever heard were, 'bub.'"
i never went to Canada!!!!!!!!
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Putting this here because Gillen writes for Marvel too: they got Olivia Jaimes (Nancy) to do the alternate cover for the last issue of The Wicked + The Divine
The best way to do X-men would be as a tv series. Lots of time for different characters to take the spotlight, and they can do a whole baseball episode
The more I think about it, I want a tv show X-Men that takes place between events and crisis. Every episode opens with something like “Phew, I’m glad we stopped that robot rampage!” and then it’s just about Jubilee trying to teach X-23 about fashion. The rest of the cast are trying to stop her because she is bad at fashion, hitting all the beats of a hero team vs a villain.
Nightcrawler pranks! Rogue accidentally absorbs Angel’s powers and gains his mannerisms, slick hairdo and abs. Someone is stealing other people’s food from the fridge, so it’s up to the genius Beast and street smart Gambit to take them down.
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Make a show about the X-men that is nothing but Sentinels being terrible at their jobs.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
So the question of what to do about Magneto got brought up in the D&D thread but I wanna know what you guys think. What do you guys think should be done with Magneto as we get farther away from WW2? A lot of people felt his origin should just switch to a different more recent genocide but I can't really see it. I may simply be ignorant of the topic but the holocaust still seems relatively unique in a number of factors that make it an important touchstone. I was thinking maybe it would be fine if his power gave him an unusually long lifespan.
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We have a number of Jewish forumers and I'd be interested to hear their takes on that before anyone else.
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Yeah no, I mean it's a good reason to make her not Wakandan. Like it's great you're out here helping out now, but you're telling me ten years ago while we were next door suffering from a plague/famine/war etc you could have easily solved you were just hanging out in your flying cars? It'd be good to have a point of view that sees the newly emerged Wakandan outreach with some context.
i've always felt she is the most underserved character out there by being constrained to a team
she went from thief to goddess! that's a dope as hell journey!
It's not like every European character would need to be tied to fuckin Latveria or whatever
Log off, Victor
Ugh I could see them actually doing this one
-- The destruction of Sokovia has a lot of indirect issues in the region, some of them impacting the small nation of Latveria. And with the Avengers not caring to help repair or clean up that mess, Doom just fucking despises superheroes.
-- The destruction of Sokovia leads to political imbalance and in a regional power vacuum, newcomer Victor von Doom swoops in and sets himself up as a despot.
Be Excellent, Marvel thread
(ps I watched Spider-Verse two night in a row, and I'm still jazzed and want to watch it again tonight)
Well, she's American for some reason (her father was American, mother Kenyan, lived in Egypt. Never understood the need to make her American, it's not like there was a shortage of American Marvel characters.)
Yeah that's some backstory that can be cut right out if you ask me
I just saw the future and it includes the movies dropping a Make Sokovia Latveria Again line and it's the fucking worst.
i really hate this in a way i can't quite find a way to verbalize
If a black person isn't from Africa, they must be from Harlem, right?
I will forever be on this hill, side-eying the Black Panther/Storm relationship.
(Hell 90’s cartoon Wolverine-Storm was more justifiable. Hell Wolverine-MORPH made more sense)
Storm as a Black Panther villian makes more sense.
(Back in her weather goddess days senses something weird in those mountains whoops secret kingdom of unimaginable wealth hoarding from people who desperately need Storm to even raise crops, book it.)
On its face I like this pitch a lot
My only concern is that it might look like they're trying to get some of that Killmonger vibe again with a black villain criticizing Wakanda for hoarding its wealth
It could feel repetitive
Thats all I remember of Storm's backstory
Yeah it's like Four Corners Monument, she was born right where all their borders meet
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Her mother is Kenyan, her father is an American photojournalist. Her parents met in Kenya, fell in love, got married and moved to Harlem, where she was born. Shortly after that, they moved to Egypt. They died when she was about six, during a terrorist attack I think (their building was destroyed and young Storm was trapped in the rubble for a while, which is why she's claustrophobic now).
As an orphan she worked for the Shadow King as a thief for a bit (and initially met Charles Xavier during this time when she picked his pocket), and then at some point after that left and became a goddess. I think technically that was in Tanzania, because it was said to be in the Serengeti (which is over 3,000 miles from Cairo, so who knows how she ended up there).
So the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Three-Mile Island incidents? Still X-Men events.
You're right, he needs to be Valentine McKee.
To be fair, Marvel does also have Monica Rambeau, who's from New Orleans, and Blade is actually from England.
To be fair, they didn’t know each other prior to being superheroes, they were just both talking about being from Harlem.
Now the rest of it is still just ughh.
i never went to Canada!!!!!!!!
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