Another ingredient that makes bread not vegan is honey.
I hear conflicting information on that from some I know. A lot of my vegan acquaintances and friends seem to be in agreement as long as the bee keeper is ethical and not like wing clipping the queen or hurting the hive (using HFCS after stealing most of the honey) that it's a completely different type of ball game from our typical animal husbandry and honey is okay especially since this arrangement is beneficial to both bees and humans?
And then there's the few that hard line "absolutely no animal products whatsoever in any way shape or form, no matter what"
I guess by definition of vegan the latter is correct?
You've stumbled on another blood feud argument between vegans. Congrats!
I'm closer to the former, for the record, but it's definitely the greyest of grey areas as far as vegan "consensus" goes.
Would it really be a blood feud though, or some kind of soy protein based blood substitute?
Human blood is perfectly vegan.
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Superiority Burger do vegetarian "burgers", though they don't try to taste like meat or have the same texture, they're just roughly the same size and shape. And, honestly, I can't think of a meat burger I've had that's obviously better than the "burger" I had there, it was amazing.
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DaimarA Million Feet Tall of AwesomeRegistered Userregular
Another ingredient that makes bread not vegan is honey.
I hear conflicting information on that from some I know. A lot of my vegan acquaintances and friends seem to be in agreement as long as the bee keeper is ethical and not like wing clipping the queen or hurting the hive (using HFCS after stealing most of the honey) that it's a completely different type of ball game from our typical animal husbandry and honey is okay especially since this arrangement is beneficial to both bees and humans?
And then there's the few that hard line "absolutely no animal products whatsoever in any way shape or form, no matter what"
I guess by definition of vegan the latter is correct?
You've stumbled on another blood feud argument between vegans. Congrats!
I'm closer to the former, for the record, but it's definitely the greyest of grey areas as far as vegan "consensus" goes.
Would it really be a blood feud though, or some kind of soy protein based blood substitute?
Human blood is perfectly vegan.
#themoreyouknow
Are cannibals vegan?
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minor incidentexpert in a dying fieldnjRegistered Userregular
Another ingredient that makes bread not vegan is honey.
I hear conflicting information on that from some I know. A lot of my vegan acquaintances and friends seem to be in agreement as long as the bee keeper is ethical and not like wing clipping the queen or hurting the hive (using HFCS after stealing most of the honey) that it's a completely different type of ball game from our typical animal husbandry and honey is okay especially since this arrangement is beneficial to both bees and humans?
And then there's the few that hard line "absolutely no animal products whatsoever in any way shape or form, no matter what"
I guess by definition of vegan the latter is correct?
You've stumbled on another blood feud argument between vegans. Congrats!
I'm closer to the former, for the record, but it's definitely the greyest of grey areas as far as vegan "consensus" goes.
Would it really be a blood feud though, or some kind of soy protein based blood substitute?
Human blood is perfectly vegan.
#themoreyouknow
Are cannibals vegan?
It all comes down to consent.
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JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
edited April 2019
This week, I made a slow-cooker beef chuck shoulder to shred and make roast beef sandwiches for lunch at work. It was pretty simple, just chuck and beef broth and crushed garlic and caramelized onions, pretty good sandwiches.
Anyway, I was also having fried chicken for dinner this week, because fuck you corporeal form, I guess, and I decided to use the leftover liquid in the slow cooker to boil the potatoes for the mashed potatoes.
These are easily the best potatoes I have ever had, anywhere. They may be the best food I've had, period. They are intensely savory and I think you could serve them as a main dish with sides. They are way more brown than mashed potatoes should be if you're serving them for other people, but I don't care, I love them.
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I've had plenty of bad pizza, weird dough textures, bad sauce, poorly cooked, etc
It's pretty easy to mess up cooking
I still remember the place in college where the selling point was the pizzas came in sizes up to 48”.
But they always overyeasted the dough and used crappy tomato sauce so it tasted like a 48” circle of garbage.
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Monday I have off work so I'm thinking of cooking up a full packer brisket. I haven't made one since January and its time to get back into the habit. I try for 1 brisket a month.
This week, I made a slow-cooker beef chuck shoulder to shred and make roast beef sandwiches for lunch at work. It was pretty simple, just chuck and beef broth and crushed garlic and caramelized onions, pretty good sandwiches.
Anyway, I was also having fried chicken for dinner this week, because fuck you corporeal form, I guess, and I decided to use the leftover liquid in the slow cooker to boil the potatoes for the mashed potatoes.
These are easily the best potatoes I have ever had, anywhere. They may be the best food I've had, period. They are intensely savory and I think you could serve them as a main dish with sides. They are way more brown than mashed potatoes should be if you're serving them for other people, but I don't care, I love them.
Sounds like you should try making your hand at gravy for poutine with your drippings next time.
MichaelLCIn what furnace was thy brain?ChicagoRegistered Userregular
I'm not a big breakfast fan, but there's a few things I really like. One of them is smoked salmon and cream cheese on a bagel, with some Moka Pot espresso:
I'm not a big breakfast fan, but there's a few things I really like. One of them is smoked salmon and cream cheese on a bagel, with some Moka Pot espresso:
I like this too but I need some capers or something to cut through all that richness
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I'm not a big breakfast fan, but there's a few things I really like. One of them is smoked salmon and cream cheese on a bagel, with some Moka Pot espresso:
I like this too but I need some capers or something to cut through all that richness
If you ever get the chance, try it with deep fried capers and pickled onions. So good, especially with a decent shake of your finest hot sauce
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Hey, guess who just forgot that there's a marathon going on two blocks away from my house, and turned what should have been a 1.3 mile delivery into a 15-mile goose chase for some poor delivery driver?
It's me. I did that terrible thing.
Whelp, time to see how high the tipping function goes on this app!
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MichaelLCIn what furnace was thy brain?ChicagoRegistered Userregular
I'm not a big breakfast fan, but there's a few things I really like. One of them is smoked salmon and cream cheese on a bagel, with some Moka Pot espresso:
I like this too but I need some capers or something to cut through all that richness
I assume that's also vegan cheese, or is the pizza just meant to be a cruel anti-vegan joke
They don't have vegan cheese near as I can tell
They have vegan cheese at all locations.
(also, their dough and both types of red sauces are 100% vegan)
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Is pizza dough from restaurants not normally vegan? When I've made it at home it's never had dairy or animal product in it, although deep dish dough is definitely not vegan it's like 95% butter.
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Metzger MeisterIt Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered Userregular
edited April 2019
as far as i'm aware most pizza dough (in the states anyway) is like, usually bread flower or cake flower, active cake yeast, and some salt. maybe olive oil but that depends.
edit: and water, of course.
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minor incidentexpert in a dying fieldnjRegistered Userregular
Is pizza dough from restaurants not normally vegan? When I've made it at home it's never had dairy or animal product in it, although deep dish dough is definitely not vegan it's like 95% butter.
It usually is--especially at smaller pizza joints--but some chain restaurants use non-vegan ingredients (eggs, milk) in some of their doughs. I believe Pizza Hut and Domino's both do in their deep dish, and I think at one point all Papa John's dough was not vegan.
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I've heard that white flour isn't always vegan because the bleaching process sometimes uses animal bones and byproducts to achieve the white color. So you'd want something that's specifically vegan friendly there?
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minor incidentexpert in a dying fieldnjRegistered Userregular
I've heard that white flour isn't always vegan because the bleaching process sometimes uses animal bones and byproducts to achieve the white color. So you'd want something that's specifically vegan friendly there?
Nah, that's not really done anymore. Animal bone char is only used to bleach sugar in certain regions in the US (although most sugar these days does not use it anymore, there's still a decent chunk that does). Flour is normally chemically bleached instead. And as far as the bone char bleaching of sugar goes, I know a couple of people who are sticklers about that, but honestly they're the minority. It's just one of those things most people accept as shitty but unavoidable.
The issue with pizza dough is just down to some chains adding butter/dairy to them to "improve" flavor, etc.
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Human blood is perfectly vegan.
#themoreyouknow
Are cannibals vegan?
It all comes down to consent.
Anyway, I was also having fried chicken for dinner this week, because fuck you corporeal form, I guess, and I decided to use the leftover liquid in the slow cooker to boil the potatoes for the mashed potatoes.
These are easily the best potatoes I have ever had, anywhere. They may be the best food I've had, period. They are intensely savory and I think you could serve them as a main dish with sides. They are way more brown than mashed potatoes should be if you're serving them for other people, but I don't care, I love them.
I still remember the place in college where the selling point was the pizzas came in sizes up to 48”.
But they always overyeasted the dough and used crappy tomato sauce so it tasted like a 48” circle of garbage.
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Sounds like you should try making your hand at gravy for poutine with your drippings next time.
Soon we shall see if this belongs in this thread or the good food thread
Tastes weird but good
The first second you get a hit of coffee, followed by the cloves and allspice, and then it all kind of melds into deliciousness.
I think it will really be best in sausage gravy though.
Next time I will halve the amount of cloves and allspice and add some hot paprika
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3 hours to go. Think I’m gonna do up some sausages to tide me over
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It was more like 4.5
Pork was good though!
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This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
The sausage gravy is really good. I won't lie, I do enjoy other sausages more, but I'm happy I tried this
remember that scene in men in black when tommy lee jones is just demanding that the bug eat him
I like this too but I need some capers or something to cut through all that richness
This one?
Yes, yes I do.
If you ever get the chance, try it with deep fried capers and pickled onions. So good, especially with a decent shake of your finest hot sauce
That's a new one
It's me. I did that terrible thing.
Whelp, time to see how high the tipping function goes on this app!
Indeed! I did add some French Herb Blend (https://www.thespicehouse.com/fines-herbes-french-herb-blend) after the picture, but yeah capers would be good.
Aw, fuck yeah
They don't have vegan cheese near as I can tell
They have vegan cheese at all locations.
(also, their dough and both types of red sauces are 100% vegan)
edit: and water, of course.
It usually is--especially at smaller pizza joints--but some chain restaurants use non-vegan ingredients (eggs, milk) in some of their doughs. I believe Pizza Hut and Domino's both do in their deep dish, and I think at one point all Papa John's dough was not vegan.
Nah, that's not really done anymore. Animal bone char is only used to bleach sugar in certain regions in the US (although most sugar these days does not use it anymore, there's still a decent chunk that does). Flour is normally chemically bleached instead. And as far as the bone char bleaching of sugar goes, I know a couple of people who are sticklers about that, but honestly they're the minority. It's just one of those things most people accept as shitty but unavoidable.
The issue with pizza dough is just down to some chains adding butter/dairy to them to "improve" flavor, etc.