Nobody here shits on VMware in general, but whenever one of our crappy legacy applications decides to throw a tantrum, one of the applications guys is all "IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH VMWARE!??!?!"
No, Brad, VMware is not the reason Lotus Notes 1993 is shitting itself today
Speaking of lotus notes... the last big upgrade I did I pretended that the lotus notes CD was lost when our systems crashed and I didn't have a backup of it and took the verbal abuse from my boss and the office manager about how she had to waste a few hours of her time recreating templates for patient forms in word so I would never have to deal with lotus notes (I think we had 94 or just lotus notes 4?) again.
This sounds like you mean Lotus 1-2-3, not Notes. Notes/Domino is a database platform, not a document editor. (Well, around the fairly recent Notes 9, they integrated a customized OpenOffice into the Notes client, but I’m sure that’s not what you meant.)
I’m going to say it again: Notes is fine! Microsoft did a damn good job convincing people otherwise right about the time that most of the worst things about Notes were gone. Many many golf course decisions with slimy reps.
When did Notes stop sucking?
Because I used versions 6 and 7 up through roughly 2009 and it was a garbage fire
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Nobody here shits on VMware in general, but whenever one of our crappy legacy applications decides to throw a tantrum, one of the applications guys is all "IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH VMWARE!??!?!"
No, Brad, VMware is not the reason Lotus Notes 1993 is shitting itself today
Speaking of lotus notes... the last big upgrade I did I pretended that the lotus notes CD was lost when our systems crashed and I didn't have a backup of it and took the verbal abuse from my boss and the office manager about how she had to waste a few hours of her time recreating templates for patient forms in word so I would never have to deal with lotus notes (I think we had 94 or just lotus notes 4?) again.
This sounds like you mean Lotus 1-2-3, not Notes. Notes/Domino is a database platform, not a document editor. (Well, around the fairly recent Notes 9, they integrated a customized OpenOffice into the Notes client, but I’m sure that’s not what you meant.)
I’m going to say it again: Notes is fine! Microsoft did a damn good job convincing people otherwise right about the time that most of the worst things about Notes were gone. Many many golf course decisions with slimy reps.
Oh maybe, I don't remember.
It was just awful. There were some word pieces and excel file like things?
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
Nobody here shits on VMware in general, but whenever one of our crappy legacy applications decides to throw a tantrum, one of the applications guys is all "IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH VMWARE!??!?!"
No, Brad, VMware is not the reason Lotus Notes 1993 is shitting itself today
Speaking of lotus notes... the last big upgrade I did I pretended that the lotus notes CD was lost when our systems crashed and I didn't have a backup of it and took the verbal abuse from my boss and the office manager about how she had to waste a few hours of her time recreating templates for patient forms in word so I would never have to deal with lotus notes (I think we had 94 or just lotus notes 4?) again.
This sounds like you mean Lotus 1-2-3, not Notes. Notes/Domino is a database platform, not a document editor. (Well, around the fairly recent Notes 9, they integrated a customized OpenOffice into the Notes client, but I’m sure that’s not what you meant.)
I’m going to say it again: Notes is fine! Microsoft did a damn good job convincing people otherwise right about the time that most of the worst things about Notes were gone. Many many golf course decisions with slimy reps.
Oh maybe, I don't remember.
It was just awful. There were some word pieces and excel file like things?
That's 1-2-3.
Notes was a whole email & collaboration platform.
Besides email, the big draw of Notes was that you could build and publish your own Notes applications. If you wanted a database-driven collaboration app but you didn't want to pay a real developer to make a real program you could hack one together on Notes
When I got out of Notes support, I was hearing a lot of hype about how much better version 8 was gonna be, but by that time Exchange and SharePoint were up to 2008 and open-source CMSes like WordPress and Drupal were fully in swing so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Hey Scripty friends. I'm trying to figure out why this is only returning the results from my system despite my system not even being in the list of processed objects.
Guessing that your local system doesn't have the requisite AD tools installed. If you just run Get-adgroupmember "Adobe", does it return anything?
Yup, returns the full object... Well the first 5 because I'm still testing and I don't want to run it against the whole collection yet
@Bendery It Like Beckham are you sure that the invoke-command is successfully running the commands against the remote systems? I think it generally uses -ComputerName to specify the target system. You could verify by having the script write the output for the system name and each of your variables as it runs.
I get errors from different PScomputers so I'd say I'm executing against it. The script runs just fine against my local system, so I think maybe I need to be getting the outstream of each PC and writing it locally, but that barely makes sense as I type it.
Guessing that your local system doesn't have the requisite AD tools installed. If you just run Get-adgroupmember "Adobe", does it return anything?
Yup, returns the full object... Well the first 5 because I'm still testing and I don't want to run it against the whole collection yet
There's nothing wrong with your script. You're running into a weird interaction between invoke-command and get-item/get-itemproperty/get-childitem that I don't fully understand. Basically, you can't use get-item (and it's cousins) inside of invoke-command on registry keys on remote PCs. It only returns local values, as you've observed.
Instead of using Get-ItemProperty and Invoke-Command, try querying the Win32.RegistryKey provider directly:
You're resetting the $results list to an empty list every time you go through the loop on line 28.
Declare it before the foreach-object.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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Guessing that your local system doesn't have the requisite AD tools installed. If you just run Get-adgroupmember "Adobe", does it return anything?
Yup, returns the full object... Well the first 5 because I'm still testing and I don't want to run it against the whole collection yet
There's nothing wrong with your script. You're running into a weird interaction between invoke-command and get-item/get-itemproperty/get-childitem that I don't fully understand. Basically, you can't use get-item (and it's cousins) inside of invoke-command on registry keys on remote PCs. It only returns local values, as you've observed.
Instead of using Get-ItemProperty and Invoke-Command, try querying the Win32.RegistryKey provider directly:
Google "Microsoft.Win32.RegistryKey" for more examples.
there's the thing where you can't get remote resources when you're already remote, but I don't think this is that, I'm like 90% sure I've gotten stuff from the local registry on a remote machine, but it woulda been back in the powershell 2 days...
edit: oh it's some other weirder bug and not that 'security' feature
also on line 17 you probably want $_.name instead of $computers.name
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life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
One of my clients called to report the internet was down again. It would appear the fiber got cut again. For those of you keeping score at home, the fiber for this site has been cut 5 times in as many months.
Where is it being cut? Side of the building? A squirrel on the line? Is it two dudes in a van that totally work for the power company?
It's being cut all over the fucking place. See, this site is half way up a mountain. Western North Carolina is a very rural area and there isn't much telco development. There wasn't even DSL service up there. Most people out that far are lucky to have phone service. Reliable internet service is just a pipedream. My client had to pay AT&T around $100k to run fiber up there to replace a gaggle of bonded t1s. The contractors buried cable wherever they could. That means running it along the roadway. Mountain roads need a lot of maintenance and Buncombe county has been pulling in record tax revenue so there has been a lot of much needed roadwork going on around there office. It's been a lot of repaving and digging culverts so the new roadway doesn't wash away like the last one. You got these 200lb gorillas behind the controls of a 10 ton CAT and where the rubber meets the load, my fiber line breaks. I'm actually on a first name basis with one of the local techs. Every time it gets cut I call the 800 number and talk to Bob from Inda to open a ticket. I immediately call the local guy, tell him what's going on to jump start the repair locally. Those poor guys must be sick of hearing from me. Every time this happens it takes em around 6-8 hours to fix it. I can only imagine the mind numbing tedium it is doing this to every fiber in the bundle, for hours on end.
Like, kinda? As an administrator who was a developer in a past life, I like the way Notes design works. Basically, you create a form (think, like, a Fill-in form in PDF) and then it creates the database based on that form. You add a name field to the form, and now your database has a name “column.” It’s not really a relational DB system, but it can sort of emulate that with some work (and it can work with a real DB like Oracle or DB2 on the backend).
This is a double-edged sword, right? It’s so easy to create a DB this way, a typical sysadmin will just slap something together and call it a day. I’m not going to claim that I’m some god-tier designer, but I polished up a number of the databases the previous sysadmin had created. They now work (for the most part) fairly seamlessly on the web and in the client.
When I started here, we were on Notes 6.5 with some 7. Those releases were mostly fine, but 8.5.3 is really where things got cleaned up and they worked through the Java glitchiness. Yes, I said Java, and I hate it too, but it works in such a way that you only notice it that there is a Java layer on the UI because of the RAM utilization. (Incidentally, this is what allowed them to easily integrate OpenOffice into the fat Notes client.) I’ve been using Notes 9 for a few years, but I think 10 is out now so I should probably give that a shot soon.
Notes is in a weird place, because IBM was genuinely trying to get it back in the zeitgeist with Verse (kind of like Notes on some collaboration steroids). It’s a pretty neat layer for people in big corporations who work on teams or whatever, but it’s too little too late I guess. They recently announced the sale of Notes (and I think Verse) to the Indian company that has been developing the product for a while. We don’t know whether that’s going to be a good thing or a bad thing, but at least IBM is continuing to be the vendor to customers (for now).
Not saying that isn't how the guys do it for @That_Guy but during the vid they comment that they have larger fusion splicers for ribbon and bundle cable. Otherwise, the method in the video would take too long and be too expensive to be practical.
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Not saying that isn't how the guys do it for @That_Guy but during the vid they comment that they have larger fusion splicers for ribbon and bundle cable. Otherwise, the method in the video would take too long and be too expensive to be practical.
The bundle splicer is usually inside a truck or trailer. With cut fiber lines it's not always possible to haul both ends to where it's parked. Considering it's always taken them around 6-8 hours to fully restore service I'm guessing the linemen around here aren't able to make use if it if they have one. I've never driven to where the cut happened to watch them but I imagine the guys in the video work in much the same way as the guys around here.
In this case, the "work" I did involved changing the names on some shared printers and then updating the group policies to reflect the new printer paths.
That's not the sort of thing that would cause slowness all day.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
In this case, the "work" I did involved changing the names on some shared printers and then updating the group policies to reflect the new printer paths.
That's not the sort of thing that would cause slowness all day.
I mean, in theory it could if you did something truly bizarre. But this is why we give tier 1 and tier 2 a set of questions which minimally must be answered always before calling, because jesus folks just do some fucking basic troubleshooting and analysis.
In this case, the "work" I did involved changing the names on some shared printers and then updating the group policies to reflect the new printer paths.
That's not the sort of thing that would cause slowness all day.
I mean, in theory it could if you did something truly bizarre. But this is why we give tier 1 and tier 2 a set of questions which minimally must be answered always before calling, because jesus folks just do some fucking basic troubleshooting and analysis.
Yeah, exactly.
We have an organizational anti-pattern of "you touch it, you bought it" that we're trying to break out of. Certain people will be like "you plugged in a printer at Bellevue two weeks ago? Well now every Bellevue ticket belongs to you!"
I'm exaggerating a bit. But only a bit.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
In this case, the "work" I did involved changing the names on some shared printers and then updating the group policies to reflect the new printer paths.
That's not the sort of thing that would cause slowness all day.
I mean, in theory it could if you did something truly bizarre. But this is why we give tier 1 and tier 2 a set of questions which minimally must be answered always before calling, because jesus folks just do some fucking basic troubleshooting and analysis.
Even then, I've found that you have to instill some type of confidence in them so that they start asking those questions. I handed all support for one platform over to an offshore consulting team, complete with years worth of exceptionally detailed standard work that I personally wrote to assist with about 75% of most of the received requests. I'm huge on documentation; never liked being handed shit that no one bothered to document. A few days would go by and I'd check in to see how things were going. None of the tickets had been touched. When inquired, they said they wanted to check with me as to what they should do first.
There was some culture differences for sure, but for fuck's sake... just try something. Try anything! What's the worst that could happen? You get it wrong? Yeah, that's part of troubleshooting. Don't wait 3-5 business days to ask me a question. Gather some intel and let's talk about afterwards. Seriously took 3 months to get their confidence level up enough to where they felt comfortable asking questions without consulting me first. After almost a year, they still need to ask me for help, which is totally fine because the system is nuanced. And now I'm trying to get them to do the same thing with another platform.
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When did Notes stop sucking?
Because I used versions 6 and 7 up through roughly 2009 and it was a garbage fire
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Dude just pretend. I'm going to.
I use Lotus all the time. It's sweet for time management.
I don't have an inherant issue with VMware. It does it's job quite admerably.
I just think this dude put all his eggs in one basket and now sees a world where VMware is less dominant and is freaking out about it.
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Oh maybe, I don't remember.
It was just awful. There were some word pieces and excel file like things?
That's 1-2-3.
Notes was a whole email & collaboration platform.
Besides email, the big draw of Notes was that you could build and publish your own Notes applications. If you wanted a database-driven collaboration app but you didn't want to pay a real developer to make a real program you could hack one together on Notes
When I got out of Notes support, I was hearing a lot of hype about how much better version 8 was gonna be, but by that time Exchange and SharePoint were up to 2008 and open-source CMSes like WordPress and Drupal were fully in swing so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Import-module ActiveDirectory ##get groupmembers $computers = Get-adgroupmember "Adobe" $computers | Select-object -First 5 | Foreach-object -process { invoke-command $_.name { ##Declare Variables $Prop64 = 'HKLM:\Software\Policies\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat\DC\FeatureLockDown\cServices' $Prop32 = 'HKLM:\Software\WOW6432Node\Policies\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat\DC\FeatureLockDown\cServices' #Query Reg $bUp64 = (Get-ItemProperty $Prop64 -name bUpdater).bUpdater $bAds64 =(Get-ItemProperty $Prop64 -name bToggleAdobeDocumentServices).bToggleAdobeDocumentServices $bWc64 = (Get-ItemProperty $Prop64 -name bToggleWebConnectors).bToggleWebConnectors $bUp32 = (Get-ItemProperty $Prop32 -name bUpdater).bUpdater $bAds32 =(Get-ItemProperty $Prop32 -name bToggleAdobeDocumentServices).bToggleAdobeDocumentServices $bWc32 = (Get-ItemProperty $Prop32 -name bToggleWebConnectors).bToggleWebConnectors #Write Var to Hash $ResHash = [ordered]@{ "Hostname" = $computers.name "Updater64" = $bUp64 "Updater32" = $bUp32 "Document Services64" = $bAds64 "Document Services32" = $bAds32 "Web Connector64" = $bWc64 "Web Connector32" = $bWc32 } #Out to CSV $results = @() $results += New-Object -TypeName PSObject -Property $ResHash ##$results | Export-Csv -Append \\LocalShare\$system.csv } } $results | Out-GridViewI feel like this is probably a common pitfall in powershell, but I don't know what to google to resolve my problem
Yup, returns the full object... Well the first 5 because I'm still testing and I don't want to run it against the whole collection yet
@Bendery It Like Beckham are you sure that the invoke-command is successfully running the commands against the remote systems? I think it generally uses -ComputerName to specify the target system. You could verify by having the script write the output for the system name and each of your variables as it runs.
There's nothing wrong with your script. You're running into a weird interaction between invoke-command and get-item/get-itemproperty/get-childitem that I don't fully understand. Basically, you can't use get-item (and it's cousins) inside of invoke-command on registry keys on remote PCs. It only returns local values, as you've observed.
Instead of using Get-ItemProperty and Invoke-Command, try querying the Win32.RegistryKey provider directly:
Google "Microsoft.Win32.RegistryKey" for more examples.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Declare it before the foreach-object.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
$Computer = Get-ADComputer some-other-PC Invoke-Command -ComputerName $Computer.Name -ScriptBlock { Write-Host $ENV:computername } #This returns the remote computer's name, just like you expect.$Computer = Get-ADComputer some-other-PC Invoke-Command -ComputerName $Computer.Name -ScriptBlock { Get-ChildItem C:\ } #This returns the contents of the remote computer's C: drive, just like you'd expect.$Computer = Get-ADComputer some-other-PC Invoke-Command -ComputerName $Computer.Name -ScriptBlock { Get-ChildItem HKLM:\Software } #This returns the contents of your local computer's registry. Why? Because fuck you, that's why.the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Oh yes that too. I missed that.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
there's the thing where you can't get remote resources when you're already remote, but I don't think this is that, I'm like 90% sure I've gotten stuff from the local registry on a remote machine, but it woulda been back in the powershell 2 days...
edit: oh it's some other weirder bug and not that 'security' feature
also on line 17 you probably want $_.name instead of $computers.name
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
It's being cut all over the fucking place. See, this site is half way up a mountain. Western North Carolina is a very rural area and there isn't much telco development. There wasn't even DSL service up there. Most people out that far are lucky to have phone service. Reliable internet service is just a pipedream. My client had to pay AT&T around $100k to run fiber up there to replace a gaggle of bonded t1s. The contractors buried cable wherever they could. That means running it along the roadway. Mountain roads need a lot of maintenance and Buncombe county has been pulling in record tax revenue so there has been a lot of much needed roadwork going on around there office. It's been a lot of repaving and digging culverts so the new roadway doesn't wash away like the last one. You got these 200lb gorillas behind the controls of a 10 ton CAT and where the rubber meets the load, my fiber line breaks. I'm actually on a first name basis with one of the local techs. Every time it gets cut I call the 800 number and talk to Bob from Inda to open a ticket. I immediately call the local guy, tell him what's going on to jump start the repair locally. Those poor guys must be sick of hearing from me. Every time this happens it takes em around 6-8 hours to fix it. I can only imagine the mind numbing tedium it is doing this to every fiber in the bundle, for hours on end.
Well it's fixed now so I'm going to bed.
This is a double-edged sword, right? It’s so easy to create a DB this way, a typical sysadmin will just slap something together and call it a day. I’m not going to claim that I’m some god-tier designer, but I polished up a number of the databases the previous sysadmin had created. They now work (for the most part) fairly seamlessly on the web and in the client.
When I started here, we were on Notes 6.5 with some 7. Those releases were mostly fine, but 8.5.3 is really where things got cleaned up and they worked through the Java glitchiness. Yes, I said Java, and I hate it too, but it works in such a way that you only notice it that there is a Java layer on the UI because of the RAM utilization. (Incidentally, this is what allowed them to easily integrate OpenOffice into the fat Notes client.) I’ve been using Notes 9 for a few years, but I think 10 is out now so I should probably give that a shot soon.
Notes is in a weird place, because IBM was genuinely trying to get it back in the zeitgeist with Verse (kind of like Notes on some collaboration steroids). It’s a pretty neat layer for people in big corporations who work on teams or whatever, but it’s too little too late I guess. They recently announced the sale of Notes (and I think Verse) to the Indian company that has been developing the product for a while. We don’t know whether that’s going to be a good thing or a bad thing, but at least IBM is continuing to be the vendor to customers (for now).
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That sounds like you're trying to summon an elder god. And hey, guess what: In my experience Notes is great for that!
Not saying that isn't how the guys do it for @That_Guy but during the vid they comment that they have larger fusion splicers for ribbon and bundle cable. Otherwise, the method in the video would take too long and be too expensive to be practical.
The bundle splicer is usually inside a truck or trailer. With cut fiber lines it's not always possible to haul both ends to where it's parked. Considering it's always taken them around 6-8 hours to fully restore service I'm guessing the linemen around here aren't able to make use if it if they have one. I've never driven to where the cut happened to watch them but I imagine the guys in the video work in much the same way as the guys around here.
That sounds excruciatingly tedious
"You were doing work on the Spokane branch and they called yesterday to say their whole branch was running slow."
"Did you gather any info about the complaint?"
"No, I didn't because I wanted to check with you if what you were doing--"
"Don't assume that two things are related unless you have evidence that it's the case."
"I wasn't, I just was checking--"
"Don't 'check' with me until you've gathered info and you have evidence leading towards an explanation."
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
What a mess.
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That's not the sort of thing that would cause slowness all day.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I mean, in theory it could if you did something truly bizarre. But this is why we give tier 1 and tier 2 a set of questions which minimally must be answered always before calling, because jesus folks just do some fucking basic troubleshooting and analysis.
Yeah, exactly.
We have an organizational anti-pattern of "you touch it, you bought it" that we're trying to break out of. Certain people will be like "you plugged in a printer at Bellevue two weeks ago? Well now every Bellevue ticket belongs to you!"
I'm exaggerating a bit. But only a bit.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
and more
"Everything is network"
Bellevue's accounting application is slow? That must mean the network is slow! Give it to networking!
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
That feels nice
There was some culture differences for sure, but for fuck's sake... just try something. Try anything! What's the worst that could happen? You get it wrong? Yeah, that's part of troubleshooting. Don't wait 3-5 business days to ask me a question. Gather some intel and let's talk about afterwards. Seriously took 3 months to get their confidence level up enough to where they felt comfortable asking questions without consulting me first. After almost a year, they still need to ask me for help, which is totally fine because the system is nuanced. And now I'm trying to get them to do the same thing with another platform.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/14/18623565/microsoft-windows-xp-remote-desktop-services-worm-security-patches
In my case it's definitely this
Other people are good and valid IT professionals, though
I mean that still wouldn't make me an impostor since I'm better than they are!