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[Slay the Spire] Silently Watching the Defective Ironclad Heart.

MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice ActorKirkland, WARegistered User regular
edited April 2020 in Games and Technology
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Welcome to Slay the Spire!


Slay the Spire is a roguelike deck-builder that mixes luck, skill, and deck design to win. Games are fast-paced and can be played at your leisure. The game is highly addictive and should definitely be given a play. Enjoy the trailer and some vids of streamers playing it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3kmAZOkfGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG0WhGSuK6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skZ20qH3EUY

We've got a very robust community of Slayers here that would love to help out new players. It's customary to take a screenshot of your wins and post them in the thread. You can discuss the run or just show off your achievement.

Also, everyone should watch and follow @"The Zombie Penguin" on Twitch. They play the game a lot and are super helpful in helping you figure out where your run might have went wrong.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    ... Shit, now I have to stream more. (Also many thanks there Dover! The shoutout is super appreciated).

    But yes! Come watch me die screaming to the spire. It's okay, I'm a zombie and therefore a professional at dying.

    More seriously, I try and do educational explain the fuck out of what I'm doing and why runs. Health permitting, which is why I haven't been around much recently ... But I'll be back, soon!

    Some basic tips to get this thread started:

    Card draw and energy are your two main resources. Figuring out how to make your deck good at these things and good at leveraging these things is a core part of getting better at the game.

    Fight elites a ton. You'll die! But you'll get to figuring out when you can beat them and how, and elites are the singles biggest value you can get out of a floor in the game.

    Don't be afraid to trade hp to get stronger especially in act 1. You fully heal after each boss (less if you're high the ascension's), so it's technically optimal to beat a boss on 1hp, having lost the rest of it throughout the act getting stronger

    Finally: don't get trapped by thinking I can only take shiv cards, or only take exhaust cards. The brilliance of this game is that every card can be amazing. Every card can be awful. Context matters!

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular

    Finally: don't get trapped by thinking I can only take shiv cards, or only take exhaust cards. The brilliance of this game is that every card can be amazing. Every card can be awful. Context matters!

    I know this isn't what you meant here, but I'm trying hard to think of a single instance where normality isn't a terrible card and I got nothing. The curses that deal damage can very rarely be useful with ironclad rupture/self forming clay. The exhausting curses can likewise generate block and stuff with ironclad.

    It's just always bad, isn't it? I guess there's duvu doll, but even if I'm taking curses on purpose, I'm still avoiding normality unless I can remove it at a shop on the next turn

  • akjakakjak Thera Spooky GymRegistered User regular
    HAI YES I HAVE THIS GAME.

    First run I *almost* beat the second boss. This game is neat.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    akjak wrote: »
    HAI YES I HAVE THIS GAME.

    First run I *almost* beat the second boss. This game is neat.

    Nice job on your first run! I can't remember if I even made it to the first boss on my first time :P
    Burtletoy wrote: »

    Finally: don't get trapped by thinking I can only take shiv cards, or only take exhaust cards. The brilliance of this game is that every card can be amazing. Every card can be awful. Context matters!

    I know this isn't what you meant here, but I'm trying hard to think of a single instance where normality isn't a terrible card and I got nothing. The curses that deal damage can very rarely be useful with ironclad rupture/self forming clay. The exhausting curses can likewise generate block and stuff with ironclad.

    It's just always bad, isn't it? I guess there's duvu doll, but even if I'm taking curses on purpose, I'm still avoiding normality unless I can remove it at a shop on the next turn

    I assume Zombie Penguin's main point was normal cards that you can add to your deck can all be amazing, not curses or status cards or whatever.

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  • akjakakjak Thera Spooky GymRegistered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    akjak wrote: »
    HAI YES I HAVE THIS GAME.

    First run I *almost* beat the second boss. This game is neat.

    Nice job on your first run! I can't remember if I even made it to the first boss on my first time :P .

    I am an ancient Magic player. Terms like “card advantage” and “synergy” are deep in my blood.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    akjak wrote: »
    HAI YES I HAVE THIS GAME.

    First run I *almost* beat the second boss. This game is neat.

    Nice job on your first run! I can't remember if I even made it to the first boss on my first time :P
    Burtletoy wrote: »

    Finally: don't get trapped by thinking I can only take shiv cards, or only take exhaust cards. The brilliance of this game is that every card can be amazing. Every card can be awful. Context matters!

    I know this isn't what you meant here, but I'm trying hard to think of a single instance where normality isn't a terrible card and I got nothing. The curses that deal damage can very rarely be useful with ironclad rupture/self forming clay. The exhausting curses can likewise generate block and stuff with ironclad.

    It's just always bad, isn't it? I guess there's duvu doll, but even if I'm taking curses on purpose, I'm still avoiding normality unless I can remove it at a shop on the next turn

    I assume Zombie Penguin's main point was normal cards that you can add to your deck can all be amazing, not curses or status cards or whatever.

    Which is why I started by saying 'i know this isn't what you meant, but...' and then trying to think or any situation where having a normality would be beneficial. Like I said, most other curses can sporadically be good, at least. But I don't think normality can do anything good? Was just curious if there was another instance or interaction for normality I wasn't able to think of

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Yeah, I don't think you'd ever want the effect of Normality. It's just if the benefit of a curse counteracts the effect of Normality, which is easier if you had Pocket Watch or something.

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  • AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    Yeah, I don't think you'd ever want the effect of Normality. It's just if the benefit of a curse counteracts the effect of Normality, which is easier if you had Pocket Watch or something.

    With some ability to discard (Tools of the Trade being useful here and not much otherwise) you can take a Normality and not suffer too much for it

    But yeah it's up there with Pain and Regret as the worst curses

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    akjak wrote: »
    HAI YES I HAVE THIS GAME.

    First run I *almost* beat the second boss. This game is neat.

    Nice job on your first run! I can't remember if I even made it to the first boss on my first time :P
    Burtletoy wrote: »

    Finally: don't get trapped by thinking I can only take shiv cards, or only take exhaust cards. The brilliance of this game is that every card can be amazing. Every card can be awful. Context matters!

    I know this isn't what you meant here, but I'm trying hard to think of a single instance where normality isn't a terrible card and I got nothing. The curses that deal damage can very rarely be useful with ironclad rupture/self forming clay. The exhausting curses can likewise generate block and stuff with ironclad.

    It's just always bad, isn't it? I guess there's duvu doll, but even if I'm taking curses on purpose, I'm still avoiding normality unless I can remove it at a shop on the next turn

    I assume Zombie Penguin's main point was normal cards that you can add to your deck can all be amazing, not curses or status cards or whatever.

    Which is why I started by saying 'i know this isn't what you meant, but...' and then trying to think or any situation where having a normality would be beneficial. Like I said, most other curses can sporadically be good, at least. But I don't think normality can do anything good? Was just curious if there was another instance or interaction for normality I wasn't able to think of

    Yeah, i can't think of any interaction that makes normality suddenly good. I think pain and necronomicurse are the only ones with notable upsides, and those are both on ironclad any way.

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  • pyromaniac221pyromaniac221 this just might be an interestin YTRegistered User regular
    This game is pretty fun! Made it up to the 36th floor on my first run (just a bit past the second floor boss), had a pretty decent deck going with the power that let me carry block over between turns, a bunch of free block/draw cards, a good amount of AoE, and about a hundred HP from feed. Got greedy in a question mark tile where two sentries were guarding a rare relic and I went for it, only to be eaten alive.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Well, I’m about to load up Slay the Spire for the first time ever, ala the Switch.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    This game is pretty fun! Made it up to the 36th floor on my first run (just a bit past the second floor boss), had a pretty decent deck going with the power that let me carry block over between turns, a bunch of free block/draw cards, a good amount of AoE, and about a hundred HP from feed. Got greedy in a question mark tile where two sentries were guarding a rare relic and I went for it, only to be eaten alive.

    That sounds like a really solid Ironclad deck, all to be undone by your greed :P. That event is really hard imo, you need a fast deck and AoE often.

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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    iOS? More like, iOYES.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Well, since @MNC Dover put me on the spot (Thanks again!) i'm live for a bit!

    Link to my stream's in the op, so come get some hopefully quality spire tutorializing with me. I'll stick a vod up when i'm done

    Edit: Stream over. Whoo, i forgot how tiring i found these to do.

    Here's the VOD. Defect run that dies on floor 50 to awoken one, alas. It was a crappy deck - i made some very poor decisions, but i'm happy that i strung a shitty deck that deep into the game. Main issues here is it lacked any great way to scale (both offensively and defensively), and also had no AoE. an Electrodynamics and a second echo form, or even just a Biased Cog would have done it wonders. So would have a fourth energy, but well, choices were made.

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  • mysticjuicermysticjuicer [he/him] I'm a muscle wizard and I cast P U N C HRegistered User regular
    iOS? More like, iOYES.

    Damn it, I thought it was out. :(

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  • akjakakjak Thera Spooky GymRegistered User regular
    Have they added the different characters throughout release, or have there been no updates?

    Can we expect new cards or characters, ever?

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  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    Remember that the game was technically only released earlier this year. It was early access for a long while and saw fairly regular updates, and the Defect was added during that window. The game is definitely going to see more content added eventually, and there's always a chance for another character, but it definitely seems quite thoroughly designed around the trio right now. Which is to say it's not the first thing I would expect to see.

  • JookieJookie Registered User regular
    I think the focus is getting the game out on whatever platforms and then switch to developing a new character.

    butts
  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Jookie wrote: »
    I think the focus is getting the game out on whatever platforms and then switch to developing a new character.

    I believe they've said that specifically, yeah, or at least so I've heard.

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  • AuralynxAuralynx Darkness is a perspective Watching the ego workRegistered User regular
    edited June 2019
    iOS? More like, iOYES.

    Damn it, I thought it was out. :(

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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    I remain terrible at this game but I did hit A14 with the Defect. It was basically a dark orb build but instead of just sitting on one orb and blowing everything with dual cast I had a ton of different orb generators and defenses so I wouldn’t necessarily deliver one massive bomb but over the course of a fight I’d be doing ~30-40 damage per turn, apply 4 stacks of immunity, and generate tons of block.

    I don’t think Donu and Deca actually did any damage to me, and over the course of the fight took maybe one of my immune stacks.

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  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    The secret is that basically all of us are terrible at this game. ;)
    And the second secret is that you're definitely less terrible than you think you are.

  • akjakakjak Thera Spooky GymRegistered User regular
    Got to the Act 3 boss, and was within a turn or so of killing it I think. Thought I’d beat him handily, but the jerk had a whole other phase hiding back there.

    Is there any way to see what your previous runs’ builds were?

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    akjak wrote: »
    Got to the Act 3 boss, and was within a turn or so of killing it I think. Thought I’d beat him handily, but the jerk had a whole other phase hiding back there.

    Is there any way to see what your previous runs’ builds were?

    Yes. I never remember the place in the menu. Statistics, then Run History or something like that?

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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    The secret is that basically all of us are terrible at this game. ;)
    And the second secret is that you're definitely less terrible than you think you are.

    I’m not sure about that. My winrate is atrocious.

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  • akjakakjak Thera Spooky GymRegistered User regular
    ...

    My husband is playing this now, but doesn’t wanna buy it on PC.

    This better come out on iOS soon, because I want my Switch back.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    akjak wrote: »
    ...

    My husband is playing this now, but doesn’t wanna buy it on PC.

    This better come out on iOS soon, because I want my Switch back.

    You should give us his Steam ID and let us take care of it. :)

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  • akjakakjak Thera Spooky GymRegistered User regular
    edited June 2019
    That’s very sweet, but we can work it out. 💖

    We’re sharing a save file, with the understanding that we can pick up the other’s run and finish it, etc. So it’s cool, he’s just unlocking more stuff for “us.”

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  • akjakakjak Thera Spooky GymRegistered User regular
    You guys, Armaments+ is a Real Good Card.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    akjak wrote: »
    You guys, Armaments+ is a Real Good Card.

    Turns out upgrades are real good! (And despite that fusion hammer is one of the better energy relics. I leave this puzzle for the thread to figure out because learning is fun)

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  • BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    Beat the game once with each character.

    Realized all my wins are from fighting Donu and Deca in Act 3 :rotate:

  • akjakakjak Thera Spooky GymRegistered User regular
    What do I do about Giant Head?

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  • AuralynxAuralynx Darkness is a perspective Watching the ego workRegistered User regular
    akjak wrote: »
    What do I do about Giant Head?

    Kill it fast. It's extra-vulnerable to card spam. That's really about it.

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  • BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    akjak wrote: »
    What do I do about Giant Head?
    Play all the cards.

  • akjakakjak Thera Spooky GymRegistered User regular
    Auralynx wrote: »
    akjak wrote: »
    What do I do about Giant Head?

    Kill it fast. It's extra-vulnerable to card spam. That's really about it.

    But how kill it fast if don’t play a lotta cards?

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  • JookieJookie Registered User regular
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    The only energy relic I was offered was Choker from Champ; already had Dead Branch which kind of means don't take that. Instead I got godly card transformations; I took Nightmare from A1 boss and then was gifted two copies of Wraith Form from the Pandora's Box on top of I think seven other rare cards, a Concentrate, a Riddle With Holes, and some other uncommon I can't remember for the life of me. The Astrolabe trade gave me a Wraith Form+. I had a strong win condition but I just needed a way to play Well Laid Plans and Nightmare+Wraith Form early since I couldn't block but fortunately the first two floors gave Backflips so I was pretty much set from there.

    Some fights took forever because I couldn't Dead Branch into cards that would actually end the fight but I could also stare down Giant Head by just playing a copy of Wraith Form every turn and wait until it died to clicking random cards while I was intangible.

    I haven't played with Dead Branch in what feels like months and I missed it.

    butts
  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    akjak wrote: »
    Auralynx wrote: »
    akjak wrote: »
    What do I do about Giant Head?

    Kill it fast. It's extra-vulnerable to card spam. That's really about it.

    But how kill it fast if don’t play a lotta cards?
    Incredibly strong mitigation or absurdly damaging combos?
    Unfortunately, there's not much of a "trick" to it outside of understanding Giant Head is a threat and what can be helpful in your deck to beating it (for example, decks that want to take a while to set up are likely going to get eaten alive by it, so they have to carefully weigh how much they want to chance Act 3 elite fights, while decks that are very front-loaded in damage or have a high volume of card play [things like Blade Dance in Silent] will have a naturally better matchup). Occasionally you can play a deck in a slightly obtuse manner to win out in fights you're otherwise poorly matched for, but that's not a common thing (as a beginner anyway - arguably embracing that at least SOMEWHAT is how people can beat higher ascensions), and almost never the case for Giant Head in particular. :P

  • BSoBBSoB Registered User regular
    Giant head is a damage scaling check. He sits there and gives you a few turns to ramp then starts beating on you in earnest.

    The most straight forward way to beat him is powers.

  • Tiger BurningTiger Burning Dig if you will, the pictureRegistered User, SolidSaints Tube regular
    Picked this up on ps4 after not playing it on PC for about a year. My 3 wins so far we're all snecko eye runs. Now I remember the rush of the snecko eye, and the crash of the run after when you have to play without.

    Give me back my eye. :(

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    BSoB wrote: »
    Giant head is a damage scaling check. He sits there and gives you a few turns to ramp then starts beating on you in earnest.

    The most straight forward way to beat him is powers.

    But I'm pretty sure the worst deck against the giant head is defect powers

    It is really really really helpful to have attack damage for giant head, not just orbs and powers

    All for One defect can be really good against it even though most of your attacks only deal, like, 5 base damage or less

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