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US Immigration Policy - ICE still the worst, acting in open defiance of orders given.
Henroid
Mexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
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Welcome to the thread for discussing US immigration policy. They are currently decided by the Trump administration, and it's gotten really fucking bad.
Things that are on-topic for this thread:
- immigration policy by the executive office
- immigration legislation
- administration or law enforcement comments / actions pertaining to immigration & policy or legislation thereof
- the opposition party's response, be it words or actions, to the above (specifically only in the scope of immigration, not election strategy or anything else)
- history of US immigration policy, though mostly if it's helping to frame current events in context of some sort
What the thread is not for!
- discussion of Democratic Party failures in a general sense
- the election, past or present or future
- being a goose at one another
- bashing our heads into the wall over and over when there's an impasse; gotta let stuff go when a disagreement shows up
Where we left off last thread iteration:
- A federal judge ruled Sunday that health inspectors must be allowed onto the concentration camps the kids are being held in (probably why the administration was trying to move the kids to military facilities, to change the rules about who is allowed on-site)
- Yesterday some congressmen were allowed to be on-site at one of the camps. Things are as horrible as you'd expect, but also, the law enforcement agents running these places are reveling in the misery they're inflicting on children. AOC rightfully yelled at them for doing as such, and unfortunately that is what is leading the few headlines about all this.
- Late last week the Democratic Party caved and voted to provide funds to immigration officials in a disappointing betrayal of stipulations they had laid out regarding the treatment of the children at these camps. Up 'til that moment, they were trying to fight for the funds to go toward providing better conditions for the children.
- The ACLU won a fight in court to permanently stop Trump's "emergency" declaration to use funds from elsewhere in the government to build his stupid wall. Back in May it was temporarily halted, but at the end of June it was put to a stop permanently. It didn't help that he literally said it wasn't really an emergency, it turns out!
As per mod request, topicality will be enforced here.
Edit - To explain the title change on August 22nd:
Things that are on-topic for this thread:
- immigration policy by the executive office
- immigration legislation
- administration or law enforcement comments / actions pertaining to immigration & policy or legislation thereof
- the opposition party's response, be it words or actions, to the above (specifically only in the scope of immigration, not election strategy or anything else)
- history of US immigration policy, though mostly if it's helping to frame current events in context of some sort
What the thread is not for!
- discussion of Democratic Party failures in a general sense
- the election, past or present or future
- being a goose at one another
- bashing our heads into the wall over and over when there's an impasse; gotta let stuff go when a disagreement shows up
Where we left off last thread iteration:
- A federal judge ruled Sunday that health inspectors must be allowed onto the concentration camps the kids are being held in (probably why the administration was trying to move the kids to military facilities, to change the rules about who is allowed on-site)
- Yesterday some congressmen were allowed to be on-site at one of the camps. Things are as horrible as you'd expect, but also, the law enforcement agents running these places are reveling in the misery they're inflicting on children. AOC rightfully yelled at them for doing as such, and unfortunately that is what is leading the few headlines about all this.
- Late last week the Democratic Party caved and voted to provide funds to immigration officials in a disappointing betrayal of stipulations they had laid out regarding the treatment of the children at these camps. Up 'til that moment, they were trying to fight for the funds to go toward providing better conditions for the children.
- The ACLU won a fight in court to permanently stop Trump's "emergency" declaration to use funds from elsewhere in the government to build his stupid wall. Back in May it was temporarily halted, but at the end of June it was put to a stop permanently. It didn't help that he literally said it wasn't really an emergency, it turns out!
As per mod request, topicality will be enforced here.
Edit - To explain the title change on August 22nd:
The sheriff department said they have a "policy" of holding anyone of Hispanic / Latino descent to check their status. This is crazy-ass profiling but also makes travel through the south dangerous as other local governments probably operate in the same fashion.
This is the result of the Trump admin making being brown illegal. I just can't even.
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Which is depressing, because people are dying now, and there are things we can do to help while we don’t have all the power
Thank god for people like Castro and AOC, hopefully they can be a bit more inspirational
I don't think the Democrats are done fighting the shit going on, but the unity in that fight is in question. For the time being we have independent groups like the ACLU doing what they can.
As an aside Some More News (satirical channel) put up a new video today focusing on John Kelly and how he pushed for these camps to start up (run by for-profit prisons), then when he left the administration he immediately joined the board of one of those businesses to start making money off it. The grift is real. But also, grifting on the suffering of children. There's a guy that's betting that Hell doesn't exist.
Can we at least get their motivation right? They're cowards, but they do care. The specifically given reason for approving the Senate bill was that they didn't want to have a big delay over things. Because people would be pissed they took too long to act.
They caved pretty much immediately
So hell yes I am angry at leadership
I don't give a fuck if we'd lose votes over it. It's the right thing to do.
It was excellent and inspiring and there were some great signs (my favorite was “Trump, the only children who belong in jail are YOURS”).
(Inlining my own tweet because I’m on mobile and can’t check image sizes)
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Yes, we have concentration camps in this country. Again.
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Other people pointing it out makes it more difficult for them to execute their vision
The Office of the Inspector General report has photos that show how bad the overcrowding is.
It's really fucking bad.
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Republicans have the Senate and Presidency and Supreme Court, so either after they're done with the ethnic cleansing or they get voted out. Cause they sure as hell don't have a problem with any of it because they're a party of racists and fascists.
What
The
Fuck
We are the monsters, it’s us
America deserves to be sanctioned for this shit
And/or sufficient screaming from the populace. Ain't fixing this shit legislatively as things stand but enough pissed people can pressure even the GOP.
Lawyer opposing the citizenship question on the census. It appears the materials are being printed without the citizenship question.
Well I hope something comes of this.
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I mean at this point the only thing I feel would actually do justice is the full Nuremberg experience
Honestly that's my thought too. But I hope congressional oversight can at least get us closer to that.
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I'm trying to remember the last time anyone was actually held accountable for anything.
Only person fired for all of this was the cartoonist who drew that "mind if I play through" cartoon.
The good news is that guy was only contracting for the New Brunswick paper, and is still very much employed by a Halifax one (he worked as a contractor for both, and they wrote a defense of him and how they intend to keep him on)
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That one Bosnian dude poisoned himself at the Hague.
Hillary had a million hearings on Beghazi.
Sorry - how about things that they actually did?
Iran Contra, iirc.
EDIT: Which they all got pardoned for, so I guess that actually nullifies my recollection.
Emails? kindasortanotreally
Yup. It's sad but nothing really gets it across like photographic evidence. Which is why they banned Congress from bringing phones in of course.
Pictures and Video are just more emotionally connectable.
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There is no such thing as "done" with ethnic cleansing.
I think you mean video "evidence" from a "government" "official".
But! All of that aside, fuck ABC and any other outlet going "WELL WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE~" - we fucking know.
Her attorney hits it right on the head.
Well, we know they aren't in a basement though.