Corbyn does seem like the kind of person who would love for the left to sweep in and be Britain's savior after a no deal Brexit.
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"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
I think it’s more that he’s objecting to an election after forcing no deal through, rather than an election in which no deal is something the parties can campaign on before the deadline.
It's this
In principle Johnson could call a snap election, setting a date after 31st October, and dissolve parliament. Thus no-deal is a fait accompli with no opportunity for parliament to intervene
Whether or not this is legal is a current hot topic of debate among constitutional lawyers, the "purdah" convention is supposed to stop governments making significant policy decisions during election campaigns, precisely to restrain governments that don't expect to win an election from doing anything wacky
Johnson can’t just call an election. He’s bound by the Fixed Term Parliament Act as much as everyone else is. If it looks like this is his plan, then there are definitely enough MPs who’d vote against an election to ensure they still have a chance to prevent No Deal.
Saw a news interview about no-deal, doing their usual thing of "this person thinks it's horrible, this person thinks it's great, now here's a spokesman to lie to us".
Thinks it's horrible; a farmer who stands to go out of business in no-deal (did he vote for brexit? Why yes he did)
Thinks it's great; a guy who invested in warehouses who's doing great business as businesses try to stockpile stuff.
Spokesman from the DoT had a fixed smile that didn't really manage to hide the oh-god-get-me-out-of-here panic in his eyes, and was unable to even come up with the usual stock reassurances of adequacy. We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success. How do you respond to concerns that food deliveries won't get through? We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success. But will there be chaos at Dover the day after no-deal? We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success.
There is "a lot of uncertainty" about the UK's capacity to patrol fishing waters after a no-deal Brexit, a memo from a government department mistakenly emailed to the BBC says.
The note reads: "While our public position on this wider issue is already clear and widely communicated, in that post-Brexit we will be an independent coastal state with control of our waters, both policy and MoD have indicated we are not on an overly strong footing to get ahead of the potential claims that could arise from this story.
"At this stage, there is a lot of uncertainty about the sufficiency of enforcement in a no-deal because we have 12 vessels that need to monitor a space three times the size of the surface area of the UK."
The memo from the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs was discussing media stories.
But ministers said they are confident security will be enforced after Brexit.
It's cool everyone, they're confident. Hey, maybe they can use Technology to monitor 600,000 km2 of water.
I am wondering about the email being 'mistakenly' sent to the BBC, though. It's either a screw up I'd expect to see from the Depatment of Transport, or someone was freaking out about this and wanted the leak this in the easiest way possible.
Saw a news interview about no-deal, doing their usual thing of "this person thinks it's horrible, this person thinks it's great, now here's a spokesman to lie to us".
Thinks it's horrible; a farmer who stands to go out of business in no-deal (did he vote for brexit? Why yes he did)
Thinks it's great; a guy who invested in warehouses who's doing great business as businesses try to stockpile stuff.
Spokesman from the DoT had a fixed smile that didn't really manage to hide the oh-god-get-me-out-of-here panic in his eyes, and was unable to even come up with the usual stock reassurances of adequacy. We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success. How do you respond to concerns that food deliveries won't get through? We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success. But will there be chaos at Dover the day after no-deal? We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success.
I think that guy would fail a Turing test.
What's frustrating about this, beyond it being the false-balance pattern for literally every interview on brexit, is that they never really follow up on the "how" question. Gove was over here doing a walkaround at one of the ports, issues raised to him get the response "we're working to make brexit a success". No follow up. No "do you have any actual plans to do this?", no "what are the details of those plans?", nothing. One statement and he gets to walk away.
Saw a news interview about no-deal, doing their usual thing of "this person thinks it's horrible, this person thinks it's great, now here's a spokesman to lie to us".
Thinks it's horrible; a farmer who stands to go out of business in no-deal (did he vote for brexit? Why yes he did)
Thinks it's great; a guy who invested in warehouses who's doing great business as businesses try to stockpile stuff.
Spokesman from the DoT had a fixed smile that didn't really manage to hide the oh-god-get-me-out-of-here panic in his eyes, and was unable to even come up with the usual stock reassurances of adequacy. We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success. How do you respond to concerns that food deliveries won't get through? We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success. But will there be chaos at Dover the day after no-deal? We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success.
I think that guy would fail a Turing test.
What's frustrating about this, beyond it being the false-balance pattern for literally every interview on brexit, is that they never really follow up on the "how" question. Gove was over here doing a walkaround at one of the ports, issues raised to him get the response "we're working to make brexit a success". No follow up. No "do you have any actual plans to do this?", no "what are the details of those plans?", nothing. One statement and he gets to walk away.
He got to walk away, but I think if anything they were taking pity on him. This was a local news thing, they were filling time rather than going for a Paxman style obliteration. They were just throwing the softest balls possible, and cringing as he failed to even hit them.
There is "a lot of uncertainty" about the UK's capacity to patrol fishing waters after a no-deal Brexit, a memo from a government department mistakenly emailed to the BBC says.
The note reads: "While our public position on this wider issue is already clear and widely communicated, in that post-Brexit we will be an independent coastal state with control of our waters, both policy and MoD have indicated we are not on an overly strong footing to get ahead of the potential claims that could arise from this story.
"At this stage, there is a lot of uncertainty about the sufficiency of enforcement in a no-deal because we have 12 vessels that need to monitor a space three times the size of the surface area of the UK."
The memo from the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs was discussing media stories.
But ministers said they are confident security will be enforced after Brexit.
It's cool everyone, they're confident. Hey, maybe they can use Technology to monitor 600,000 km2 of water.
I am wondering about the email being 'mistakenly' sent to the BBC, though. It's either a screw up I'd expect to see from the Depatment of Transport, or someone was freaking out about this and wanted the leak this in the easiest way possible.
That's only 50,000 km2 of water per vessel! I don't see the problem?
There is "a lot of uncertainty" about the UK's capacity to patrol fishing waters after a no-deal Brexit, a memo from a government department mistakenly emailed to the BBC says.
The note reads: "While our public position on this wider issue is already clear and widely communicated, in that post-Brexit we will be an independent coastal state with control of our waters, both policy and MoD have indicated we are not on an overly strong footing to get ahead of the potential claims that could arise from this story.
"At this stage, there is a lot of uncertainty about the sufficiency of enforcement in a no-deal because we have 12 vessels that need to monitor a space three times the size of the surface area of the UK."
The memo from the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs was discussing media stories.
But ministers said they are confident security will be enforced after Brexit.
It's cool everyone, they're confident. Hey, maybe they can use Technology to monitor 600,000 km2 of water.
I am wondering about the email being 'mistakenly' sent to the BBC, though. It's either a screw up I'd expect to see from the Depatment of Transport, or someone was freaking out about this and wanted the leak this in the easiest way possible.
That's only 50,000 km2 of water per vessel! I don't see the problem?
I think it's doable using technology. I would imagine it's fairly straightforward to make some kind of water-car? A moving floating object that can patrol the waters. I'm not sure what that would be called, but I do know you would need a number greater than 12.
There is "a lot of uncertainty" about the UK's capacity to patrol fishing waters after a no-deal Brexit, a memo from a government department mistakenly emailed to the BBC says.
The note reads: "While our public position on this wider issue is already clear and widely communicated, in that post-Brexit we will be an independent coastal state with control of our waters, both policy and MoD have indicated we are not on an overly strong footing to get ahead of the potential claims that could arise from this story.
"At this stage, there is a lot of uncertainty about the sufficiency of enforcement in a no-deal because we have 12 vessels that need to monitor a space three times the size of the surface area of the UK."
The memo from the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs was discussing media stories.
But ministers said they are confident security will be enforced after Brexit.
It's cool everyone, they're confident. Hey, maybe they can use Technology to monitor 600,000 km2 of water.
I am wondering about the email being 'mistakenly' sent to the BBC, though. It's either a screw up I'd expect to see from the Depatment of Transport, or someone was freaking out about this and wanted the leak this in the easiest way possible.
That's only 50,000 km2 of water per vessel! I don't see the problem?
I think it's doable using technology. I would imagine it's fairly straightforward to make some kind of water-car? A moving floating object that can patrol the waters. I'm not sure what that would be called, but I do know you would need a number greater than 12.
I'm sure Grayling knows a guy.
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There is "a lot of uncertainty" about the UK's capacity to patrol fishing waters after a no-deal Brexit, a memo from a government department mistakenly emailed to the BBC says.
The note reads: "While our public position on this wider issue is already clear and widely communicated, in that post-Brexit we will be an independent coastal state with control of our waters, both policy and MoD have indicated we are not on an overly strong footing to get ahead of the potential claims that could arise from this story.
"At this stage, there is a lot of uncertainty about the sufficiency of enforcement in a no-deal because we have 12 vessels that need to monitor a space three times the size of the surface area of the UK."
The memo from the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs was discussing media stories.
But ministers said they are confident security will be enforced after Brexit.
It's cool everyone, they're confident. Hey, maybe they can use Technology to monitor 600,000 km2 of water.
I am wondering about the email being 'mistakenly' sent to the BBC, though. It's either a screw up I'd expect to see from the Depatment of Transport, or someone was freaking out about this and wanted the leak this in the easiest way possible.
That's only 50,000 km2 of water per vessel! I don't see the problem?
I think it's doable using technology. I would imagine it's fairly straightforward to make some kind of water-car? A moving floating object that can patrol the waters. I'm not sure what that would be called, but I do know you would need a number greater than 12.
I'm sure Grayling knows a guy.
Sounds expensive though. Be prepared to pay a lot of money.
There is "a lot of uncertainty" about the UK's capacity to patrol fishing waters after a no-deal Brexit, a memo from a government department mistakenly emailed to the BBC says.
The note reads: "While our public position on this wider issue is already clear and widely communicated, in that post-Brexit we will be an independent coastal state with control of our waters, both policy and MoD have indicated we are not on an overly strong footing to get ahead of the potential claims that could arise from this story.
"At this stage, there is a lot of uncertainty about the sufficiency of enforcement in a no-deal because we have 12 vessels that need to monitor a space three times the size of the surface area of the UK."
The memo from the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs was discussing media stories.
But ministers said they are confident security will be enforced after Brexit.
It's cool everyone, they're confident. Hey, maybe they can use Technology to monitor 600,000 km2 of water.
I am wondering about the email being 'mistakenly' sent to the BBC, though. It's either a screw up I'd expect to see from the Depatment of Transport, or someone was freaking out about this and wanted the leak this in the easiest way possible.
That's only 50,000 km2 of water per vessel! I don't see the problem?
I think it's doable using technology. I would imagine it's fairly straightforward to make some kind of water-car? A moving floating object that can patrol the waters. I'm not sure what that would be called, but I do know you would need a number greater than 12.
I imagine we can figure something out using block-chain?
Now I think about it they wouldn't even have 12 vessels. One is always in the Falklands to discourage the Argentinians invading and two have to be shadowing oil tankers through the Gulf to stop Iranians nicking them. That's just two commitments off the top of my head.
I'm sure it'll be fine though, just need to stop putting Britain down! Be-Leave! Et cetera ad nasuem.
With the probability of a snap general election this autumn continuing to rise, plans are being put in place to decide the future of 100 seats where a 'Remain Unity' candidate would be put forward by the Greens, Liberal Democrats and Plaid Cymru.
Nick Cohen, writing for the Spectator, reports that on Thursday it is expected that the Lib Dems, Greens and Plaid Cymru will agree a "non-aggression pact" in 30 constituencies where candidates will run under the "Unite to Remain" ticket, an additional title for each party already agreed by the Electoral Commission.
More seats will be added to the alliance as time goes on.
Independent candidates are also encouraged to join.
With the probability of a snap general election this autumn continuing to rise, plans are being put in place to decide the future of 100 seats where a 'Remain Unity' candidate would be put forward by the Greens, Liberal Democrats and Plaid Cymru.
Nick Cohen, writing for the Spectator, reports that on Thursday it is expected that the Lib Dems, Greens and Plaid Cymru will agree a "non-aggression pact" in 30 constituencies where candidates will run under the "Unite to Remain" ticket, an additional title for each party already agreed by the Electoral Commission.
More seats will be added to the alliance as time goes on.
Independent candidates are also encouraged to join.
No Labour though.
Labour Corbyn is not trustworthy in these matters, so good.
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Labour not being included makes things pretty explicit for those who haven’t been paying attention.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
There is "a lot of uncertainty" about the UK's capacity to patrol fishing waters after a no-deal Brexit, a memo from a government department mistakenly emailed to the BBC says.
The note reads: "While our public position on this wider issue is already clear and widely communicated, in that post-Brexit we will be an independent coastal state with control of our waters, both policy and MoD have indicated we are not on an overly strong footing to get ahead of the potential claims that could arise from this story.
"At this stage, there is a lot of uncertainty about the sufficiency of enforcement in a no-deal because we have 12 vessels that need to monitor a space three times the size of the surface area of the UK."
The memo from the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs was discussing media stories.
But ministers said they are confident security will be enforced after Brexit.
It's cool everyone, they're confident. Hey, maybe they can use Technology to monitor 600,000 km2 of water.
I am wondering about the email being 'mistakenly' sent to the BBC, though. It's either a screw up I'd expect to see from the Depatment of Transport, or someone was freaking out about this and wanted the leak this in the easiest way possible.
That's only 50,000 km2 of water per vessel! I don't see the problem?
I think it's doable using technology. I would imagine it's fairly straightforward to make some kind of water-car? A moving floating object that can patrol the waters. I'm not sure what that would be called, but I do know you would need a number greater than 12.
I'm sure Grayling knows a guy.
Grayling would probably contract it out to Southern Rail.
Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
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The chancellor, Sajid Javid, is said to be drawing up plans for millions of 50p Brexit coins to be minted in time for Britain’s departure from the EU.
Javid has asked officials to look at whether it will be possible to produce the coins in volume ready for the UK’s scheduled EU leaving date of 31 October, according to the Sunday Telegraph.
The chancellor, Sajid Javid, is said to be drawing up plans for millions of 50p Brexit coins to be minted in time for Britain’s departure from the EU.
Javid has asked officials to look at whether it will be possible to produce the coins in volume ready for the UK’s scheduled EU leaving date of 31 October, according to the Sunday Telegraph.
Fuck me, this is pathetic.
This is the design they'll be using (with the date updated):
'Friendship with all nations', right. The other side presumably says "Now f*ck off".
The prosperity bit would be hard to prove in a court of law, too.
Stop and search is just being reverted back to the legislation that was in place before May changed it.
More police and cells sound fine. However there's no mention of the many other things needed to make it work.
Support staff numbers have been decimated also but I see no mention of those being increased.
The court system is buckling under the strain of budget cuts. What's the use of all these extra police making more arrests if the courts can't process them due to everything not working?
Obviously this will go down well with the voters as it sounds good but in reality, as with everything the Tories touch, it'll be a bunch of shite.
Labour shadow policing minister Lou Haigh has a good breakdown of why these promises are rubbish:
The Good Law Project's court action (which involves Jolyon Maugham, Joanna Cherry, Gina Miller, et al) to prevent Johnson from proroguing or suspending parliament is going to proceed.
18. The petitioners seek:
(1) A declarator that it is ultra vires et separatim unconstitutional for any Minister of the
Crown, including the Prime Minister, with the intention and aim of denying before Exit
Day any further parliamentary consideration of the withdrawal of the United Kingdom
from the European Union, to purport to advise the Queen to prorogue the Westminster
Parliament.
(2) Interdict against Ministers of the Crown from advising the Queen, with the view or
intention of denying before Exit Day any further parliamentary consideration of the
withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union, to prorogue the
Westminster Parliament and for interdict ad interim.
A couple of quick additional notes:
- The Court of Session is a constitutional court, in these matters it is not in any sense lower or subsidiary to the Supreme Court, and cannot be overruled by it (as a number of people have been suggesting)
- Scots Law does not take the same view of the powers of the Crown as the law of England and Wales. E&W law considers that legal authority flows from the Crown, whereas Scots Law takes it as fundamental that the Crown (and the Monarch) are, to some extent, subject to the law and can be validly bound by it
japan on
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Stop and search is just being reverted back to the legislation that was in place before May changed it.
More police and cells sound fine. However there's no mention of the many other things needed to make it work.
Support staff numbers have been decimated also but I see no mention of those being increased.
The court system is buckling under the strain of budget cuts. What's the use of all these extra police making more arrests if the courts can't process them due to everything not working?
Obviously this will go down well with the voters as it sounds good but in reality, as with everything the Tories touch, it'll be a bunch of shite.
Labour shadow policing minister Lou Haigh has a good breakdown of why these promises are rubbish:
The conservative playbook again. If it weren't for the fact that most media is corporate owned I'd be more pissed off that no one in the media ever seems to point it out.
Defund services. This causes dysfunction. For most services, the dysfunction is used as an excuse for privatization. For police, they reinvest, but in a way that causes militarization.
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The chancellor, Sajid Javid, is said to be drawing up plans for millions of 50p Brexit coins to be minted in time for Britain’s departure from the EU.
Javid has asked officials to look at whether it will be possible to produce the coins in volume ready for the UK’s scheduled EU leaving date of 31 October, according to the Sunday Telegraph.
Fuck me, this is pathetic.
This is the design they'll be using (with the date updated):
'Friendship with all nations', right. The other side presumably says "Now f*ck off".
The prosperity bit would be hard to prove in a court of law, too.
Peace, prosperity, and Friendship with all nations.
These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in leaving the EU.
"Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations," to commemorate that time we violated a peace treaty, crashed our economy, and told 27 of our closest allies to get fucked.
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At the very least.
FFS
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Lethargic lemmings
Swimming towards commutopia
god, if only.
Johnson can’t just call an election. He’s bound by the Fixed Term Parliament Act as much as everyone else is. If it looks like this is his plan, then there are definitely enough MPs who’d vote against an election to ensure they still have a chance to prevent No Deal.
Thinks it's horrible; a farmer who stands to go out of business in no-deal (did he vote for brexit? Why yes he did)
Thinks it's great; a guy who invested in warehouses who's doing great business as businesses try to stockpile stuff.
Spokesman from the DoT had a fixed smile that didn't really manage to hide the oh-god-get-me-out-of-here panic in his eyes, and was unable to even come up with the usual stock reassurances of adequacy. We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success. How do you respond to concerns that food deliveries won't get through? We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success. But will there be chaos at Dover the day after no-deal? We're taking all measures to ensure that brexit is a success.
I think that guy would fail a Turing test.
That's the fantasy, yes.
Email slip-up reveals no-deal fishing patrol 'uncertainty' It's cool everyone, they're confident. Hey, maybe they can use Technology to monitor 600,000 km2 of water.
I am wondering about the email being 'mistakenly' sent to the BBC, though. It's either a screw up I'd expect to see from the Depatment of Transport, or someone was freaking out about this and wanted the leak this in the easiest way possible.
What's frustrating about this, beyond it being the false-balance pattern for literally every interview on brexit, is that they never really follow up on the "how" question. Gove was over here doing a walkaround at one of the ports, issues raised to him get the response "we're working to make brexit a success". No follow up. No "do you have any actual plans to do this?", no "what are the details of those plans?", nothing. One statement and he gets to walk away.
He got to walk away, but I think if anything they were taking pity on him. This was a local news thing, they were filling time rather than going for a Paxman style obliteration. They were just throwing the softest balls possible, and cringing as he failed to even hit them.
That's only 50,000 km2 of water per vessel! I don't see the problem?
I think it's doable using technology. I would imagine it's fairly straightforward to make some kind of water-car? A moving floating object that can patrol the waters. I'm not sure what that would be called, but I do know you would need a number greater than 12.
I'm sure Grayling knows a guy.
Sounds expensive though. Be prepared to pay a lot of money.
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I imagine we can figure something out using block-chain?
I'm sure it'll be fine though, just need to stop putting Britain down! Be-Leave! Et cetera ad nasuem.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/unite-to-remain-candidates-1-6208750
More seats will be added to the alliance as time goes on.
Independent candidates are also encouraged to join.
No Labour though.
Labour Corbyn is not trustworthy in these matters, so good.
Grayling would probably contract it out to Southern Rail.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/11/sajid-javids-plan-to-flood-tills-with-brexit-50p-coins
Fuck me, this is pathetic.
More police, more prison cells, more stop and search
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49309112
'Friendship with all nations', right. The other side presumably says "Now f*ck off".
The prosperity bit would be hard to prove in a court of law, too.
As usual no great detail is given.
Stop and search is just being reverted back to the legislation that was in place before May changed it.
More police and cells sound fine. However there's no mention of the many other things needed to make it work.
Support staff numbers have been decimated also but I see no mention of those being increased.
The court system is buckling under the strain of budget cuts. What's the use of all these extra police making more arrests if the courts can't process them due to everything not working?
Obviously this will go down well with the voters as it sounds good but in reality, as with everything the Tories touch, it'll be a bunch of shite.
Labour shadow policing minister Lou Haigh has a good breakdown of why these promises are rubbish:
It's worth reading that whole twitter thread, and the petition itself (partly because someone evidently had tremendous fun writing it, digging out 16th and 17th century references), here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gtijvkq2tmjxl5u/Petition (as lodged).pdf?dl=0&fbclid=IwAR3H7ojasiBU8gGwlI38U84gbv7C4HSZgsLwYGP5QYv7d9s8GuIceT4xKVo
However the tl;dr: is
A couple of quick additional notes:
- The Court of Session is a constitutional court, in these matters it is not in any sense lower or subsidiary to the Supreme Court, and cannot be overruled by it (as a number of people have been suggesting)
- Scots Law does not take the same view of the powers of the Crown as the law of England and Wales. E&W law considers that legal authority flows from the Crown, whereas Scots Law takes it as fundamental that the Crown (and the Monarch) are, to some extent, subject to the law and can be validly bound by it
The conservative playbook again. If it weren't for the fact that most media is corporate owned I'd be more pissed off that no one in the media ever seems to point it out.
Defund services. This causes dysfunction. For most services, the dysfunction is used as an excuse for privatization. For police, they reinvest, but in a way that causes militarization.
Peace, prosperity, and Friendship with all nations.
These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in leaving the EU.
the one that's suggesting, "hey, maybe let's just ignore Parliament".
there will be adequate coinage.
(and the government tells us that they are "taking all measures to ensure" that there will be things to spend it on.)
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The tories and conservative parties in general have always been decent with the “law” part, it’s the “order” part they consistently shit the bed at.
I don't know how I intend to deal with it in practice
It is a bit odd that the apparent intention is to commemorate brexit by putting an anti brexit message on a coin, though
I'm hoping that I never get one in my change
Thank god most places take card now