The Casino missions are not great. Like the casino has just opened and
it's already going out of business and then it's being taken over and then at the end they just fire that head security guy for no reason except what seems like the Texan being a bit racist. And the payouts are terrible. I think it's like 100,000 for the final mission. 100,000 barely pimps up the basics of one car, it's nothing.
The good things are that you do win free high end cars, I've managed to win all 3 so far, and you can make money much faster than anything out in the open world. I've gotten to $2 million in virtually no time at all, whereas the best moneymaker outside of missions takes hours upon hours to gather the necessary cars and then ship them out.
The Casino missions are not great. Like the casino has just opened and
it's already going out of business and then it's being taken over and then at the end they just fire that head security guy for no reason except what seems like the Texan being a bit racist. And the payouts are terrible. I think it's like 100,000 for the final mission. 100,000 barely pimps up the basics of one car, it's nothing.
The good things are that you do win free high end cars, I've managed to win all 3 so far, and you can make money much faster than anything out in the open world. I've gotten to $2 million in virtually no time at all, whereas the best moneymaker outside of missions takes hours upon hours to gather the necessary cars and then ship them out.
What's good for the best moneymakers in the casino?
The Casino missions are not great. Like the casino has just opened and
it's already going out of business and then it's being taken over and then at the end they just fire that head security guy for no reason except what seems like the Texan being a bit racist. And the payouts are terrible. I think it's like 100,000 for the final mission. 100,000 barely pimps up the basics of one car, it's nothing.
The good things are that you do win free high end cars, I've managed to win all 3 so far, and you can make money much faster than anything out in the open world. I've gotten to $2 million in virtually no time at all, whereas the best moneymaker outside of missions takes hours upon hours to gather the necessary cars and then ship them out.
What's good for the best moneymakers in the casino?
Blackjack. It's still a crapshoot unless you're willing to game the system, but you can bet big and win fast on it. Roulette takes ages and your chance of winning is low, poker again takes too long. Blackjack you can complete a round in like 30 seconds. I'm not quite sure how random it is because the dealer gets a LOT of double 10's, but I had three wins in a row last night and made 150,000 in like 2 minutes. I lost after that but I did game the system with that and disconnect my console. It's not ideal, but making money is so slow unless you can afford to buy the Shark Cards. But 150,000 in 2 minutes is probably the fastest you will make that kind of money in GTA.
It is. They've gone a bit too far in the other direction to fix it because the screen freezes now and you tend to have to back out and go back in to make a new bet.
Played a bit of blackjack. All I managed to do was lose a bit and then scrape it back, repeat a few times. Never actually got ahead by more than 50 chips (started on the low stakes table just to try to get a feel for it).
Played a bit of blackjack. All I managed to do was lose a bit and then scrape it back, repeat a few times. Never actually got ahead by more than 50 chips (started on the low stakes table just to try to get a feel for it).
Are you on console? I'm on PS4, I basically press the PS button twice to flip to the Network settings and disconnect if I lose. I built up some capital first with some lucky wins on the slot machines so I started max-betting at 50,000. Playing straight, yeah you will spend hours barely winning.
Played a bit of blackjack. All I managed to do was lose a bit and then scrape it back, repeat a few times. Never actually got ahead by more than 50 chips (started on the low stakes table just to try to get a feel for it).
Are you on console? I'm on PS4, I basically press the PS button twice to flip to the Network settings and disconnect if I lose. I built up some capital first with some lucky wins on the slot machines so I started max-betting at 50,000. Playing straight, yeah you will spend hours barely winning.
Xbox One, yeah. Hmm, might have to give that a punt one of these days.
Mind you, between an MC counterfeiting run and finishing up the bounty hunts, getting the stone hatchet and cracking out that challenge, I was up half a mil in no time flat earlier. Productive sesh. Could've done without the couple of griefers who were hassling me while I was innocently trying to half-inch some supplies, but what'cha gonna do. They tired of it and buggered off in due course.
Played a bit of blackjack. All I managed to do was lose a bit and then scrape it back, repeat a few times. Never actually got ahead by more than 50 chips (started on the low stakes table just to try to get a feel for it).
Are you on console? I'm on PS4, I basically press the PS button twice to flip to the Network settings and disconnect if I lose. I built up some capital first with some lucky wins on the slot machines so I started max-betting at 50,000. Playing straight, yeah you will spend hours barely winning.
Xbox One, yeah. Hmm, might have to give that a punt one of these days.
Mind you, between an MC counterfeiting run and finishing up the bounty hunts, getting the stone hatchet and cracking out that challenge, I was up half a mil in no time flat earlier. Productive sesh. Could've done without the couple of griefers who were hassling me while I was innocently trying to half-inch some supplies, but what'cha gonna do. They tired of it and buggered off in due course.
If you keep joining a new sesssion you'll eventually luck into one with noone else in it. Let's you get a few things done without the restrictions of a solo session. It's the best way for gathering cars for instance, you'll have NPC controlled enemies though so best to have a friend if possible.
IIRC, on pc you can force a desync by blocking the game's network access for a few seconds. Usually I'd free up access again afterwards so that new players could be matched with me. Most players in my experience on pc won't start shit with you so long as you both don't start shit with them or violate an exclusion zone of a city block or two. Maybe three or four blocks if you drive something alarming like an oppressor. Sometimes I could get some good bonuses from sales going from a mostly full instance of players existing in an uneasy armistice.
Nothing good lasts forever, and eventually a murder hobo will join and start raining on everyone's parade.
Oppressors are such a pain in the ass. As their name suggests. They just break the game, they're so stupidly OP. A griefer's delight.
I also caved on the other big Twitch sale this week - after checking out some videos - and bought a Stromberg. That thing is a lot of fun, looks great, is tough as old boots, and hits hard. And it's actually a decent car in its own class.
As I've discovered, an Oppressor is about the only thing it can't go toe to toe with (not least because that blasted thing can fire off missiles in such rapid succession that even the Stromberg with full armor upgrade isn't resilient enough).
I wish that there was an unarmed version of the oppressor that I could use exclusively for transport/tricks without drawing understandable ire from those around me.
I saved for a Deluxo, and the worst part is it's blocked from being used in a lot of missions, so it takes hours of grind to get, then you can only use it largely in open games, which unless you do want to grief people, just makes it a convenient transporter.
I saved for a Deluxo, and the worst part is it's blocked from being used in a lot of missions, so it takes hours of grind to get, then you can only use it largely in open games, which unless you do want to grief people, just makes it a convenient transporter.
Similar for the Stromberg, it would seem. I mean, it's good fun, it's just not all that useful. And I was annoyed to discover I can't dock it at my yacht like a regular watercraft, so it just drifts away. That's a shame, it makes an excellent transport from shore to yacht. (The other way, I might as well just grab the helicopter.) Though it's not too terrible to just get to shore and order it via personal vehicle delivery.
Still, considering the sale prices for both the yacht and Stromberg, I don't feel too stung. I'd just piled up money for ages and not spent it. But now I'm feeling I need to get back to where I was and not quite sure how I'm going to do it. Mostly through the MC counterfeit cash factory and stocking up the CEO warehouse, probably...
I had two Oppressor griefers last night in two separate sessions, too. You'd think they'd get fed up of being down ten thousand every time they blew up the Stromberg, but I guess not. *sigh*
I saved for a Deluxo, and the worst part is it's blocked from being used in a lot of missions, so it takes hours of grind to get, then you can only use it largely in open games, which unless you do want to grief people, just makes it a convenient transporter.
Similar for the Stromberg, it would seem. I mean, it's good fun, it's just not all that useful. And I was annoyed to discover I can't dock it at my yacht like a regular watercraft, so it just drifts away. That's a shame, it makes an excellent transport from shore to yacht. (The other way, I might as well just grab the helicopter.) Though it's not too terrible to just get to shore and order it via personal vehicle delivery.
Still, considering the sale prices for both the yacht and Stromberg, I don't feel too stung. I'd just piled up money for ages and not spent it. But now I'm feeling I need to get back to where I was and not quite sure how I'm going to do it. Mostly through the MC counterfeit cash factory and stocking up the CEO warehouse, probably...
I had two Oppressor griefers last night in two separate sessions, too. You'd think they'd get fed up of being down ten thousand every time they blew up the Stromberg, but I guess not. *sigh*
10,000 is nothing to people hwo have managed to afford an Opressor. Like I'm not rich in game but I could destroy like 200 cars before being broke.
I saved for a Deluxo, and the worst part is it's blocked from being used in a lot of missions, so it takes hours of grind to get, then you can only use it largely in open games, which unless you do want to grief people, just makes it a convenient transporter.
Similar for the Stromberg, it would seem. I mean, it's good fun, it's just not all that useful. And I was annoyed to discover I can't dock it at my yacht like a regular watercraft, so it just drifts away. That's a shame, it makes an excellent transport from shore to yacht. (The other way, I might as well just grab the helicopter.) Though it's not too terrible to just get to shore and order it via personal vehicle delivery.
Still, considering the sale prices for both the yacht and Stromberg, I don't feel too stung. I'd just piled up money for ages and not spent it. But now I'm feeling I need to get back to where I was and not quite sure how I'm going to do it. Mostly through the MC counterfeit cash factory and stocking up the CEO warehouse, probably...
I had two Oppressor griefers last night in two separate sessions, too. You'd think they'd get fed up of being down ten thousand every time they blew up the Stromberg, but I guess not. *sigh*
10,000 is nothing to people hwo have managed to afford an Opressor. Like I'm not rich in game but I could destroy like 200 cars before being broke.
Oh, I know. But it starts adding up after a while. Still, their money.
I saved for a Deluxo, and the worst part is it's blocked from being used in a lot of missions, so it takes hours of grind to get, then you can only use it largely in open games, which unless you do want to grief people, just makes it a convenient transporter.
Similar for the Stromberg, it would seem. I mean, it's good fun, it's just not all that useful. And I was annoyed to discover I can't dock it at my yacht like a regular watercraft, so it just drifts away. That's a shame, it makes an excellent transport from shore to yacht. (The other way, I might as well just grab the helicopter.) Though it's not too terrible to just get to shore and order it via personal vehicle delivery.
Still, considering the sale prices for both the yacht and Stromberg, I don't feel too stung. I'd just piled up money for ages and not spent it. But now I'm feeling I need to get back to where I was and not quite sure how I'm going to do it. Mostly through the MC counterfeit cash factory and stocking up the CEO warehouse, probably...
I had two Oppressor griefers last night in two separate sessions, too. You'd think they'd get fed up of being down ten thousand every time they blew up the Stromberg, but I guess not. *sigh*
10,000 is nothing to people hwo have managed to afford an Opressor. Like I'm not rich in game but I could destroy like 200 cars before being broke.
Yeah, the evil lair even has a griefing room where you can directly convert money into kills.
I've been playing the game again for the past week or so since I had a hankering to drive super cars fast in import/export. I've finally purchased the Akula stealth chopper... About a week AFTER it went on sale. So far my favorite thing to do with it is to tail people with it and then hover immediately outside the exit of their businesses where they'll see me after they finish delivering their business goods.
Also, holy shit the night club prints money if you have the other businesses and are willing to leave the game running afk during the day. I set it idle when I go to bed, and then after work the next day I have a 700-800k sale waiting for me.
I've been playing the game again for the past week or so since I had a hankering to drive super cars fast in import/export. I've finally purchased the Akula stealth chopper... About a week AFTER it went on sale. So far my favorite thing to do with it is to tail people with it and then hover immediately outside the exit of their businesses where they'll see me after they finish delivering their business goods.
Also, holy shit the night club prints money if you have the other businesses and are willing to leave the game running afk during the day. I set it idle when I go to bed, and then after work the next day I have a 700-800k sale waiting for me.
Are you sticking a rubber band on the controller so it doesn't kick you for idling or something?
I've been playing the game again for the past week or so since I had a hankering to drive super cars fast in import/export. I've finally purchased the Akula stealth chopper... About a week AFTER it went on sale. So far my favorite thing to do with it is to tail people with it and then hover immediately outside the exit of their businesses where they'll see me after they finish delivering their business goods.
Also, holy shit the night club prints money if you have the other businesses and are willing to leave the game running afk during the day. I set it idle when I go to bed, and then after work the next day I have a 700-800k sale waiting for me.
Are you sticking a rubber band on the controller so it doesn't kick you for idling or something?
That's one technique, but I've been loading into a contact mission (specifically "Titan of a Job", but it doesn't matter), and then drive to my apartment and watch TV. The game doesn't kick you if you're watching TV. Watching TV within a contact mission also dodges your daily fees that proc every 48 minutes.
Also I set my graphics to windowed borderless and set the option to not pause the game when it loses focus.
A few more tips about what I've learned about nightclubs since it looks like there were never discussed on this forum.
When purchasing a nightclub, purchase one that has easy access to the highway to facilitate easier sales. If you are interested in partaking in the free-roam PvP "business battle" events that kick off occasionally, then you'll probably also want the nightclub to be easily accessible via helicopter. Proximity to your CEO office or other businesses is of zero consequence. For what it's worth, I purchased the Cypress Flats nightclub on the sourtheast side of the city since it can be easily accessed from the interstate and there is a large multi-lane road in front of it that has plenty of room for landing a helicopter. That side of the city is also usually far away from the PvP warzones, so you can avoid the opportunist griefers can't be arsed to hunt you down but will gladly attack if you happen to be close by.
Maintaining nightclub popularity seems to be an utter waste of your time from a moneymaking perspective. Maybe keep it up for roleplaying purposes or to try and get some achievements, but from a moneymaking perspective I think that it may be best to ignore it altogether.
Nightclub sales are all single vehicle sales with fairly robust sale vehicles that I've read take ~six missile to kill when fully armored and that also aren't eligible lockon targets for homing missiles. They are also all accessible from the interaction menu in freeroam, so you don't need to spend time calling the mechanic to summon them. However they are all significantly more fragile outside of the context of sale missions, and will die to one explosive in freeroam. Below are my opinions of the different sale vehicles:
Speedo Custom: This is included free with the purchase of your nightclub. It is used for small sales. I love it and it has replaced my weaponized tampa as a vehicle that I call in to steamroll NPCs on the ground. Its windows are not bulletproof, but when fully armored they turn into those narrow slit windows that the armored Karuma has that are harder to aim at. I recommend equipping the remote fifty cal since it is more accurate and can aim up higher than the remote minigun. Proxy mines are fine too.
Mule Custom: This is normally used for medium sales. DO NOT BUY THIS POS. DO NOT BUY IT. DO NOT BUY IT. IT SUCKS. IT IS SLOW AND TERRIBLE. THESE ALL CAPS AREN'T ALL CAPPED ENOUGH. DO NOT BUY IT.
Pounder Custom: This is used for large sales. If you do not own a mule custom, then this will be used for medium sales as well. It is MUCH faster than the mule and has more mass for ramming cars out of the way. Go ahead and equip it with proxy mines if you want. Consider skipping the rocket turret though since it has trouble aiming down at nearby targets, and it makes the pounder too tall to fit under overpasses or pass through some tunnels.
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And to clarify about how the nightclubs accrue supplies. I hope the following points clear things up.
1: In order to assign a technician to source product from your businesses, you need to both own that business and have it operational.
2: Once assigned to a business product, the technicians pull the product out of their ass. They do not influence the product supply at the actual business.
3: The other businesses only need to be operational. They do not need to be kept in supply or produce product.
So for example, let's say that I want to assign one of my nightclub technicians to stock meth within the nightclub. I need to own one of the meth labs and have it active. I do not need to pay for supplies for the methlab to produce meth. LJT will call me on the phone and complain about how production has stopped at the methlab, but within the context of the nightclub the flow of meth will be all fine and dandy.
Occasionally some of the technicians seem to bug up and stop sourcing supplies. You haven't done anything wrong, the game just bugged up. Play musical chairs with the technicians by switching them around to source different products to get the products flowing again.
I haven't done an indepth analysis about which products are best, but common consensus seems to be to just stick with Cocaine, meth, counterfeit money, bunker weapons, and CEO crates. The two products shunned by the community and left out in the cold are weed and forged documents.
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Dammit, you're making me reinstall this. I know I'm going to stare up at the grind and quickly lose interest again, but I guess I can at least check out my free Twitch stuff.
Sorry! I just wanted to drive cars fast and stockpile toys to play with once the snow comes back this winter. I'm gonna be watching the warzone mayhem this winter from the comfy view of a buttoned up snow camo akula.
One more money making trick. It's possible to get discount supplies for your bunker/biker businesses. Here's how it works.
1: Resupply at full cost for 75k
2: Wait until at least one tick of production takes place.
3: Resupply again. The cost will be reduced as low as 15k since your supplies are mostly full.
4: BEFORE THE SECOND BATCH OF SUPPLIES ARRIVES, enter a contact mission such as "A titan of a job" and then go AFK in your apartment for at least two hours.
5: Once you're done being afk, return to free roam. By this point, your business supplies will have been converted to product. A few minutes after returning to free roam, your discount batch of supplies will FINALLY arrive at your businesses and fully resupply the businesses.
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Sorry! I just wanted to drive cars fast and stockpile toys to play with once the snow comes back this winter. I'm gonna be watching the warzone mayhem this winter from the comfy view of a buttoned up snow camo akula.
One more money making trick. It's possible to get discount supplies for your bunker/biker businesses. Here's how it works.
1: Resupply at full cost for 75k
2: Wait until at least one tick of production takes place.
3: Resupply again. The cost will be reduced as low as 15k since your supplies are mostly full.
4: BEFORE THE SECOND BATCH OF SUPPLIES ARRIVES, enter a contact mission such as "A titan of a job" and then go AFK in your apartment for at least two hours.
5: Once you're done being afk, return to free roam. By this point, your business supplies will have been converted to product. A few minutes after returning to free roam, your discount batch of supplies will FINALLY arrive at your businesses and fully resupply the businesses.
What's your screen name? I'm SirCarcass.
I checked out the casino, which was cool, but ultimately pointless. I got a free basic penthouse through Twitch Prime, which is also kind of cool but pointless, and costs me $500 every property tax cycle. I guess the best thing about it is getting VIP casino access. I thought I got a free bunker from that, too, but apparently it's a refund after purchasing the basic Zacundo bunker, which is 1.5m while I only have 850k. Seems like I need 1.5m to get started making any kind of money.
I did the first casino story mission, which was decent. The payout is weak, but you do get a bonus the first time you finish each mission, which I think is 50k. You also get a bonus for finishing the last one, and I guess a 500k bonus if you finish them all in a row. I did it with a single random, which made it kind of difficult, but he was at least not useless (hell, he was probably less useless than I was, I'm pretty rusty). We did have to try it 3 times, but we finally got it.
I've barely touched any of the online missions, including heists, due to not wanting to deal with randoms, but that's probably my best shot at early money.
I think my screen name is General_Armchair, but it might be a space instead of an underscore or it might just be camel case.
I don't personally like the looks of the location of the fort zancudo bunker since I don't care for the road access to it, and air access needs to respect the restricted air space of the fort itself. However it's hard to compete against a value of "free" and you get a 50% trade in discount when you swap bunkers later. The Farmhouse bunker is popular for its proximity to Los Santos, easy highway access, and fairly central location relative to sale sites. I use the route 68 bunker since it is in extremely close proximity to my biker clubhouse, methlab, cocaine lockup, counterfeit money printer, and doomsday facility.
As of this week, I think that your best way to make money will be to take advantage of the double cash rewards from vip missions. You can register as a vip if you have 50k in the bank. Then, via the interaction menu, you can access vip work missions. They're pretty easy missions that normally pay 20-25k, but are paying double that right now. Sightseer and head hunter are the most popular ones. There's also some capture a briefcase one that you can do at LSIA Airport, where I always steal a plane to escape from the cops. Haulage is pretty easy IMO. I think there may be some annoying restrictions on being a vip. I've read a 4 hour max duration with 12 hour cool down, but they may have changed the numbers (you used to need 1 mil instead of 50k). CEOs are not bound by those restrictions.
If you don't have a buzzard, then you might want to invest in one. As a ceo you can summon a buzzard adjacent to you for free if you own one (25k if you don't) . I think vips have the same skill.
I think that the wealth progression progression this week may follow this rough guideline:
*Do vip work to accrue more funds
*Collect your "free" bunker and have it start producing product for some pseudo-passive income
*Buy a ceo office for permanent access to the vip/ceo status
*buy a ceo crate or vehicle warehouse to give you more lucrative solo moneymaking options
*buy a nightclub and have it start accruing afk bucks from your bunker/ceo warehouse
*buy a motorcycle clubhouse, and cocaine, meth, counterfeit cash businesses (that's descending order of importance) to further bolster the nightclub's afk bucks.
I don't know if you want to bother with the bunker and biker businesses upgrades right away if you are just trying to get the nightclub to full afk money farm mode. Bunker is worth the upgrades, but you might want to trade in for a more convenient site first. You'll also want to buy a buzzard somewhere in there since it's super useful.
If you lack a helicopter, cheap ways to get some are to call up merryweather or request a vip luxury helicopter (1k, 5k), then kill the pilot to steal the ride. The luxury helicopter is faster. If you don't kill the pilot of the luxury helicopter, then she can fast travel you to your office or ceo warehouses.
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I do have an office, but unfortunately no helicopter or armored car, which makes Headhunter pretty dicey, but I'll try stealing one. I can do Sightseer okay without it. I'm really annoyed that I missed that free Buzzard around Christmas by 1 day.
I do have an office, but unfortunately no helicopter or armored car, which makes Headhunter pretty dicey, but I'll try stealing one. I can do Sightseer okay without it. I'm really annoyed that I missed that free Buzzard around Christmas by 1 day.
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Check warstock cache and carry. At some point the Duke o'Death was made free to "returning players." I don't know what restrictions define who qualifies as a "returning player", or if that deal is even still in effect at all. But you might as well check. It's an armored muscle car. I think it has a better top speed, better ramming ability, and better explosive resistance than the armored karuma, but has worse agility and worse small arms protection than the karuma. Doesn't hurt to check. Best case is a free armored car.
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I do have an office, but unfortunately no helicopter or armored car, which makes Headhunter pretty dicey, but I'll try stealing one. I can do Sightseer okay without it. I'm really annoyed that I missed that free Buzzard around Christmas by 1 day.
Check warstock cache and carry. At some point the Duke o'Death was made free to "returning players." I don't know what restrictions define who qualifies as a "returning player", or if that deal is even still in effect at all. But you might as well check. It's an armored muscle car. I think it has a better top speed, better ramming ability, and better explosive resistance than the armored karuma, but has worse agility and worse small arms protection than the karuma. Doesn't hurt to check. Best case is a free armored car.
It was for people who played GTAO on PS3/360 and then played on the upgraded version. I first bought it on PC, so it doesn't count for me, unfortunately.
Ok, since I got more responses that I expected from the last few posts, I'll leave my observations for what factors should be considered when buying property.
FAST TRAVEL CONSIDERATIONS:
Time is money, and getting around the map fast can help you avoid downtime. Having a fast car or aircraft is nice, but there are a few ways that you can outpace a speedy vehicle.
*Any property with a bed can be set as a respawn location. By setting your respawn location to a different property and then finding a new session, you can quickly relocate across the map. The downside is that you're in a new session, which can be bad if you were trying to stay grouped with friends or if the current session was full of friendly people.
*Heist rooms can act as fast travel sites. If you've begun the set of setup missions for a heist, then Lester will send you a job request on your phone to continue the heist. Accept the quest to quickly be transported across the map to your heist room.
*Luxury Helicopters: As a CEO, you can request a luxury helicopter for $5000. While you can kill the pilot to claim the helicopter for yourself, if you simply ride as a passenger you will be given the option to fast travel to your CEO office or one of your warehouses.
*Terrorbyte: Not really fast travel for you, but more of fast travel for your office. The terrorbyte can be used to start CEO crate and import/export missions. If you own a terrorbyte, then you can request that it be delivered nearby. Traveling a block or so to the terrorbyte is usually much faster than returning to your office.
Properties:
*Luxury apartment: Its purpose is to let you host heists. The apartment's location doesn't really matter, although as mentioned above you can fast travel to the apartment so you may want one that teleports you near some other point of interest. For example, my apartment at Integrity way is across the street from my CEO office at the Arcadius building.
*CEO office: You begin crate and car import missions from here. Your main consideration should be to pick a site that's close to your warehouses since, after completing one of those missions, you'll need to quickly return to the office to begin another. Once you get a terrorbyte, the office's location doesn't matter much. Minor note: You can stock up on free snacks from the candy bowl that your receptionist has. Another Note: The snacks aren't truly free and cost $1 each IIRC.
*Crate warehouses: You major concerns should be ease of approaching the warehouses. Easy ground access is nice for if you're racing a car with a triple crate sale into it, but easy helicopter access is even more important if the mission has three individual crates that you must fetch by yourself. Proximity to your CEO office is also a nice plus. In a perfect world you'll have two large warehouses for downtimeless grinding, and one small warehouse for "special" crates. The double larges IMO only really pay off during double crate sale weeks. Otherwise alternating between a large crate warhouse and doing vehicle import/export work is plenty with normal sale prices.
*Vehicle warehouse: The primary concern is easy of access for ground vehicles. I recommend ones that have easy access to the highway. When sourcing/selling cars, I normally ignore the GPS and simply take the highway too and from my warehouse. I have the La Mesa vehicle warehouse, but it's not the only one that has good highway access. I've read that some people use the Elysian island one due to their ability to make use of the subways to access it. I think that's interesting, but I haven't looked into it myself.
*Bicker Clubhouse: You only really use this to purchase your biker businesses. It can be used as a central hub to check the stock levels of the business. Its location doesn't really matter. However it comes with a free bed, so you can use it as a respawn location for fast traveling with a session hop.
*Assorted biker businesses: You won't need to travel to these places often. Only once every few hours of gameplay or so. Resupply missions are frowned upon in favor of simply purchasing supplies since the time that it takes to source supplies from a mission often doesn't stack up favorably compared to the gold standard of income from CEO work. Maybe pick one roughly near a property that you can fast travel to? The main concern is for it to be close to some of the biker sales. To that end you want to be close to Los Santos for ground sales, but also you don't want to be too far from the airfield on the northen side of the inland lake incase you get a dodo/buzzard sale. Having a helicopter on standby before you start a sale mission is preferred in-case you need to hop across the lake to the northernmost airfield for the dodo/buzzard sales, or travel to one of the beaches for the speedboat sales. I'm quite fond of the cocaine/meth/money businesses near the middle of the map near route 68.
*Bunker: Like the biker businesses, you don't need to travel to them often and purchasing supplies is preferred. IMO pick a site that can easily access the highway for quick trips into Los Santos for the Phantom Wedge/Insurgent sales. Also pick a site that is fairly close to the middle of the map for easy monster truck sales. I like route 68 for its proximity to my biker businesses. Farmhouse has superior highway access into Los Santos for the Insrugent/wedge sales. Some people like the bunkers that are Desert/Smoke bunkers to put them close to an airfield to steal naturally spawning aircraft. The Grapeseed bunker is also close to naturally spawning aircraft, but it may be a bit far north for comfortable sales.
*Hangar: Hangar sale missions are not very profitable at all. Buy one to unlock the option to own some personal vehicles. One of the ones at fort zancudo is likely best since then you'll be granted permission to enter fort zancudo as a bonus. The one closest to the ocean has the aircraft spawn zones that are closest to the hangar, but the cheaper one works too if you don't care.
*Doomsday Facility: This is used to host your Doomsday heists. As far as approaching the facility is concerned, that's only applicable for some of the heist setup missions. Since it has a heist room, it can be used as a fast travel node that can be utilized without hopping sessions. So perhaps pick one that's nearby some of your other properties (seeing a trend with me liking Route 68 yet?). If you talk to the receptionist, you can exit the vehicle with a Pegasus aircraft. The receptionist also has another bowl of "free not-free" candy.
*Nightclub: During normal operations, you never need to approach the nightclub. You simply need to sell your products once it is full, so good highway access is preferred to help facilitate faster movement. DO NOT BUY THE MULE CUSTOM. You only want to use the speedo custom for small sales, and the pounder custom for medium and large sales. If you partake in business battles, then easy access via helicopter is nice as well. IMO keeping your nightclub popularity up is a waste of effort for grinding money.
I am not claiming that my choices are best, since I think that some choices are superior in some aspects. However I think that my choices synergize together pretty well and I am very content with them. Below are my property choices for my major businesses.
Los Santos properties:
*Integrity Way apartment
*Arcadius building office
*La Mesa vehicle warehouse
*Cypress flats nightclub
*Cypress flats large crate warehouse
Heist room fast travel facilitates quick access to my office (although that's kinda moot with the terrorbyte these days). The La Mesa vehicle warehouse, and the cypress flats properties are all easily accessible from the interstate, so I can zip over on the ground without worrying about intersections or narrow roads. The furniture store large crate warehouse is cheaper and easier to access, and I'll probably buy it too eventually. However Cypress flats won out since it happens to be adjacent to a personal aircraft spawn zone for spawning in my Akula.
Blaine county properties:
Great Chaparral Clubhouse
Route 68 Bunker
Route 68 facility
Alamo sea cocaine lockup
Grand Senora Desert meth lab
Grand Senora Desert Counterfeit cash
I picked these properties because of their close proximity to each other around route 68. Originally the clubhouse was my respawn fast travel node that facilitated me easily reaching them all. However now that I can spawn in a pegasus helicopter from my facility, I might be more inclined to give farmhouse a try for the easier Los Santos access. At present though I'm content and not willing to make the sale.
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Another note, my properties are mostly far away from the griefer warzones. I normally see a lot of mayhem near the Del Perro side of Los Santos, likely stemming from the fact that the cheapest luxury apartment is there which snowballed into most people buying it and then buying other properties near it.
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
I had a pretty decent run of VIP missions going today. I did a Buzzard drop and managed to survive 2 separate Headhunter missions with it taking barely any damage. I was on my second Sightseer job when I see the Oppressor icon at the bottom of my minimap. Sure enough, a couple of seconds later I hear the lock on sound and get blown up.
Yeah, oppressors are really annoying. Especially the mk II ones. The Mk I at least requires a modicum of skill to use since it's easy to crash and fall off. The mk II just zips around everywhere, has chaff, and is damn near impossible to fall off of.
I remembered a nice one-time source of money. I think that they may still be doing that "bounty hunter" thing that was an advertisement for RDO. If you're getting text messages from someone asking you to do bounty hunting, then go into your phone and accept their missions. You'll probably want to hijack a high speed helicopter for traversing the map. Fly to the site of each bounty, land, beat the crap out of them with your fists, then bring them back to quest giver. Each bounty is worth 10k alive, and then after all five you get sent to pickup some stone hatchet. If you go on an NPC murdering spree with the hatchet, you get 250k at the end.
If you just want to grind money, just play blackjack at the casino and turn the internet off when you lose. It's not an ideal way to do it but they've overpriced so many things and it's so slow to earn money most other ways. Even the best money earners like import/export only made me like 1 million after hours of work. Blackjack before I made 250,000 in about 5 minutes before I lost a hand and quit. If you have the startup cash, invest in the penthouse and the private dealer, they're expensive combined but it's so quick to load into the penthouse and play hands. I've actually been fairly flush with cash since the casino update whereas it took weeks of strategic playing with others to amass cash for the Deluxo through import/export.
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
If you just want to grind money, just play blackjack at the casino and turn the internet off when you lose. It's not an ideal way to do it but they've overpriced so many things and it's so slow to earn money most other ways. Even the best money earners like import/export only made me like 1 million after hours of work. Blackjack before I made 250,000 in about 5 minutes before I lost a hand and quit. If you have the startup cash, invest in the penthouse and the private dealer, they're expensive combined but it's so quick to load into the penthouse and play hands. I've actually been fairly flush with cash since the casino update whereas it took weeks of strategic playing with others to amass cash for the Deluxo through import/export.
What's the rationale behind turning off the internet on losses? When does the game save?
If you just want to grind money, just play blackjack at the casino and turn the internet off when you lose. It's not an ideal way to do it but they've overpriced so many things and it's so slow to earn money most other ways. Even the best money earners like import/export only made me like 1 million after hours of work. Blackjack before I made 250,000 in about 5 minutes before I lost a hand and quit. If you have the startup cash, invest in the penthouse and the private dealer, they're expensive combined but it's so quick to load into the penthouse and play hands. I've actually been fairly flush with cash since the casino update whereas it took weeks of strategic playing with others to amass cash for the Deluxo through import/export.
What's the rationale behind turning off the internet on losses? When does the game save?
So if you change outfits the game automatically saves. So you can go into the interaction menu, switch to a pre-set outfit and it will save. Turning off the internet, even just off and on (I'm on Playstation) immediately disconnects yu from the server and doesn't save. So I will play hands at maximum bets (sadly the maximum is 50,000) and play. If I win, I leave the table, switch outfits and sit back down. If I lose, I disconnect because it's not worth it otherwise. If you lose a few times in a row it wipes you out pretty quickly.
So I logged on to spin the wheel before, luckily I won the new car, then went up to the penthouse, played a few hands, won like 6 times in a row as I went from 100,000 to 500,000 and all in about 5 minutes. Then when I lose I just turned the internet off. When I log on the money I had pre-losing bet will have been saved by me changing outfits.
It's not ideal to do it this way but if you have the patience/time you could probably make a few million in an hour doing this. I tend to only log on for the wheel so if I lose at cards I just quit and move on with my day. There was a really good glitch with the Fast Track early on that could make you like 300,000 off a 100 bet, but they've patched that.
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
If you just want to grind money, just play blackjack at the casino and turn the internet off when you lose. It's not an ideal way to do it but they've overpriced so many things and it's so slow to earn money most other ways. Even the best money earners like import/export only made me like 1 million after hours of work. Blackjack before I made 250,000 in about 5 minutes before I lost a hand and quit. If you have the startup cash, invest in the penthouse and the private dealer, they're expensive combined but it's so quick to load into the penthouse and play hands. I've actually been fairly flush with cash since the casino update whereas it took weeks of strategic playing with others to amass cash for the Deluxo through import/export.
What's the rationale behind turning off the internet on losses? When does the game save?
So if you change outfits the game automatically saves. So you can go into the interaction menu, switch to a pre-set outfit and it will save. Turning off the internet, even just off and on (I'm on Playstation) immediately disconnects yu from the server and doesn't save. So I will play hands at maximum bets (sadly the maximum is 50,000) and play. If I win, I leave the table, switch outfits and sit back down. If I lose, I disconnect because it's not worth it otherwise. If you lose a few times in a row it wipes you out pretty quickly.
So I logged on to spin the wheel before, luckily I won the new car, then went up to the penthouse, played a few hands, won like 6 times in a row as I went from 100,000 to 500,000 and all in about 5 minutes. Then when I lose I just turned the internet off. When I log on the money I had pre-losing bet will have been saved by me changing outfits.
It's not ideal to do it this way but if you have the patience/time you could probably make a few million in an hour doing this. I tend to only log on for the wheel so if I lose at cards I just quit and move on with my day. There was a really good glitch with the Fast Track early on that could make you like 300,000 off a 100 bet, but they've patched that.
Ah, the changing outfit is what I was missing. I'm on PC, but I'll definitely give this a try because the grind sucks. If I can get it to work, it should be good at least for getting me a few things I need right now.
Edit: Hmm, doesn't seem to work for me. It seemed to save regardless of what I did because on both attempts I won the first hand and lost the second, and my total was after the loss both times I reloaded.
I've read that the horse bucks glitch still works if you have a script to get the timing right, however I've also read that they can detect the horse bucks glitch and will kick you out of the lobby if you execute it a few times. I'm not sure if it's safe to execute then if they can detect it, or if they'll take any action beyond depleting your bank account like they do when a modder dropps fat stacks of cash on your head.
If you just want to grind money, just play blackjack at the casino and turn the internet off when you lose. It's not an ideal way to do it but they've overpriced so many things and it's so slow to earn money most other ways. Even the best money earners like import/export only made me like 1 million after hours of work. Blackjack before I made 250,000 in about 5 minutes before I lost a hand and quit. If you have the startup cash, invest in the penthouse and the private dealer, they're expensive combined but it's so quick to load into the penthouse and play hands. I've actually been fairly flush with cash since the casino update whereas it took weeks of strategic playing with others to amass cash for the Deluxo through import/export.
What's the rationale behind turning off the internet on losses? When does the game save?
So if you change outfits the game automatically saves. So you can go into the interaction menu, switch to a pre-set outfit and it will save. Turning off the internet, even just off and on (I'm on Playstation) immediately disconnects yu from the server and doesn't save. So I will play hands at maximum bets (sadly the maximum is 50,000) and play. If I win, I leave the table, switch outfits and sit back down. If I lose, I disconnect because it's not worth it otherwise. If you lose a few times in a row it wipes you out pretty quickly.
So I logged on to spin the wheel before, luckily I won the new car, then went up to the penthouse, played a few hands, won like 6 times in a row as I went from 100,000 to 500,000 and all in about 5 minutes. Then when I lose I just turned the internet off. When I log on the money I had pre-losing bet will have been saved by me changing outfits.
It's not ideal to do it this way but if you have the patience/time you could probably make a few million in an hour doing this. I tend to only log on for the wheel so if I lose at cards I just quit and move on with my day. There was a really good glitch with the Fast Track early on that could make you like 300,000 off a 100 bet, but they've patched that.
Ah, the changing outfit is what I was missing. I'm on PC, but I'll definitely give this a try because the grind sucks. If I can get it to work, it should be good at least for getting me a few things I need right now.
Edit: Hmm, doesn't seem to work for me. It seemed to save regardless of what I did because on both attempts I won the first hand and lost the second, and my total was after the loss both times I reloaded.
Maybe it is a PC thing? How quickly are you disconnecting? I've usually disconnected before the dealer has time to say sorry for my loss. I've just logged on and I've definitely still got 460000 in chips plus the 800000 I cashed out before betting yesterday. On PS4 it's a quick process and I can disconnect in like 3 seconds so maybe that helps. Once it's done successfully it immediately kicks me to a black screen saying my connection has been lost and puts me back into the singleplayer.
I've read that the horse bucks glitch still works if you have a script to get the timing right, however I've also read that they can detect the horse bucks glitch and will kick you out of the lobby if you execute it a few times. I'm not sure if it's safe to execute then if they can detect it, or if they'll take any action beyond depleting your bank account like they do when a modder dropps fat stacks of cash on your head.
Yes I think they're paying extra attention to the horse racing. Unless they've changed it they actually over-fixed it meaning a lot of the time it can just freeze. I assume the intent was to stop you moving your cursor to activate the glitch but it can freeze it entirely. Most people commenting I've seen online have said spend the money because they don't take things off you. Dunno how true that is though.
It'd be nicer if there were more heist jobs and they were easier to get into. I much prefer playing with people but a lot of the better heists rarely come up, and starting them yourself, at least in my experience, it is difficult to get people to join in any reasonable manner of time and even harder when some of the setup missions are just terrible. There's one relating to the...submarine heist I think, you have to drop a van off in a compound so it can activate an EMP and disable the place, but that has like a 5 minute drive to the location first and then it's very easy to set the alarms off, so I've seen that repeat over and over until people quit and then the job drops. It's frustrating. I'd much rather spend an hour earning a million doing bank heists.
It's telling that the casino jobs pay nothing. I think the max is about 100,000 which is the cost of changing your appearance ffs.
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
If you just want to grind money, just play blackjack at the casino and turn the internet off when you lose. It's not an ideal way to do it but they've overpriced so many things and it's so slow to earn money most other ways. Even the best money earners like import/export only made me like 1 million after hours of work. Blackjack before I made 250,000 in about 5 minutes before I lost a hand and quit. If you have the startup cash, invest in the penthouse and the private dealer, they're expensive combined but it's so quick to load into the penthouse and play hands. I've actually been fairly flush with cash since the casino update whereas it took weeks of strategic playing with others to amass cash for the Deluxo through import/export.
What's the rationale behind turning off the internet on losses? When does the game save?
So if you change outfits the game automatically saves. So you can go into the interaction menu, switch to a pre-set outfit and it will save. Turning off the internet, even just off and on (I'm on Playstation) immediately disconnects yu from the server and doesn't save. So I will play hands at maximum bets (sadly the maximum is 50,000) and play. If I win, I leave the table, switch outfits and sit back down. If I lose, I disconnect because it's not worth it otherwise. If you lose a few times in a row it wipes you out pretty quickly.
So I logged on to spin the wheel before, luckily I won the new car, then went up to the penthouse, played a few hands, won like 6 times in a row as I went from 100,000 to 500,000 and all in about 5 minutes. Then when I lose I just turned the internet off. When I log on the money I had pre-losing bet will have been saved by me changing outfits.
It's not ideal to do it this way but if you have the patience/time you could probably make a few million in an hour doing this. I tend to only log on for the wheel so if I lose at cards I just quit and move on with my day. There was a really good glitch with the Fast Track early on that could make you like 300,000 off a 100 bet, but they've patched that.
Ah, the changing outfit is what I was missing. I'm on PC, but I'll definitely give this a try because the grind sucks. If I can get it to work, it should be good at least for getting me a few things I need right now.
Edit: Hmm, doesn't seem to work for me. It seemed to save regardless of what I did because on both attempts I won the first hand and lost the second, and my total was after the loss both times I reloaded.
Maybe it is a PC thing? How quickly are you disconnecting? I've usually disconnected before the dealer has time to say sorry for my loss. I've just logged on and I've definitely still got 460000 in chips plus the 800000 I cashed out before betting yesterday. On PS4 it's a quick process and I can disconnect in like 3 seconds so maybe that helps. Once it's done successfully it immediately kicks me to a black screen saying my connection has been lost and puts me back into the singleplayer.
The second tine I tried it, I had a crappy hand and as soon as I saw the dealer flip over a face card (was playing 3 card poker) I disconnected. It still takes me a few seconds to do, so I might not have been quick enough. I also did it on the casino floor, so I don't know if that works differently. I did get the message that my connection was lost and it put me back into singleplayer (and took foooooorever to get back into online, after several failed tries). I'll play around with it some more.
If you just want to grind money, just play blackjack at the casino and turn the internet off when you lose. It's not an ideal way to do it but they've overpriced so many things and it's so slow to earn money most other ways. Even the best money earners like import/export only made me like 1 million after hours of work. Blackjack before I made 250,000 in about 5 minutes before I lost a hand and quit. If you have the startup cash, invest in the penthouse and the private dealer, they're expensive combined but it's so quick to load into the penthouse and play hands. I've actually been fairly flush with cash since the casino update whereas it took weeks of strategic playing with others to amass cash for the Deluxo through import/export.
What's the rationale behind turning off the internet on losses? When does the game save?
So if you change outfits the game automatically saves. So you can go into the interaction menu, switch to a pre-set outfit and it will save. Turning off the internet, even just off and on (I'm on Playstation) immediately disconnects yu from the server and doesn't save. So I will play hands at maximum bets (sadly the maximum is 50,000) and play. If I win, I leave the table, switch outfits and sit back down. If I lose, I disconnect because it's not worth it otherwise. If you lose a few times in a row it wipes you out pretty quickly.
So I logged on to spin the wheel before, luckily I won the new car, then went up to the penthouse, played a few hands, won like 6 times in a row as I went from 100,000 to 500,000 and all in about 5 minutes. Then when I lose I just turned the internet off. When I log on the money I had pre-losing bet will have been saved by me changing outfits.
It's not ideal to do it this way but if you have the patience/time you could probably make a few million in an hour doing this. I tend to only log on for the wheel so if I lose at cards I just quit and move on with my day. There was a really good glitch with the Fast Track early on that could make you like 300,000 off a 100 bet, but they've patched that.
Ah, the changing outfit is what I was missing. I'm on PC, but I'll definitely give this a try because the grind sucks. If I can get it to work, it should be good at least for getting me a few things I need right now.
Edit: Hmm, doesn't seem to work for me. It seemed to save regardless of what I did because on both attempts I won the first hand and lost the second, and my total was after the loss both times I reloaded.
Maybe it is a PC thing? How quickly are you disconnecting? I've usually disconnected before the dealer has time to say sorry for my loss. I've just logged on and I've definitely still got 460000 in chips plus the 800000 I cashed out before betting yesterday. On PS4 it's a quick process and I can disconnect in like 3 seconds so maybe that helps. Once it's done successfully it immediately kicks me to a black screen saying my connection has been lost and puts me back into the singleplayer.
The second tine I tried it, I had a crappy hand and as soon as I saw the dealer flip over a face card (was playing 3 card poker) I disconnected. It still takes me a few seconds to do, so I might not have been quick enough. I also did it on the casino floor, so I don't know if that works differently. I did get the message that my connection was lost and it put me back into singleplayer (and took foooooorever to get back into online, after several failed tries). I'll play around with it some more.
I've only done it with Blackjack so maybe there's a difference there. I usually have ample time to quit though. It might save less often on consoles due to different hardware limitations. The Casino Floor/Personal Dealer work exactly the same for me, I just invested in the personal dealer because it cuts out the huge amount of time between loading from the Penthouse into the Casino and then walking very, very slowly to the back, then finding which room doesn't have a table taken by NPCs.
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The good things are that you do win free high end cars, I've managed to win all 3 so far, and you can make money much faster than anything out in the open world. I've gotten to $2 million in virtually no time at all, whereas the best moneymaker outside of missions takes hours upon hours to gather the necessary cars and then ship them out.
What's good for the best moneymakers in the casino?
Steam | XBL
Blackjack. It's still a crapshoot unless you're willing to game the system, but you can bet big and win fast on it. Roulette takes ages and your chance of winning is low, poker again takes too long. Blackjack you can complete a round in like 30 seconds. I'm not quite sure how random it is because the dealer gets a LOT of double 10's, but I had three wins in a row last night and made 150,000 in like 2 minutes. I lost after that but I did game the system with that and disconnect my console. It's not ideal, but making money is so slow unless you can afford to buy the Shark Cards. But 150,000 in 2 minutes is probably the fastest you will make that kind of money in GTA.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
Steam | XBL
Are you on console? I'm on PS4, I basically press the PS button twice to flip to the Network settings and disconnect if I lose. I built up some capital first with some lucky wins on the slot machines so I started max-betting at 50,000. Playing straight, yeah you will spend hours barely winning.
Xbox One, yeah. Hmm, might have to give that a punt one of these days.
Mind you, between an MC counterfeiting run and finishing up the bounty hunts, getting the stone hatchet and cracking out that challenge, I was up half a mil in no time flat earlier. Productive sesh. Could've done without the couple of griefers who were hassling me while I was innocently trying to half-inch some supplies, but what'cha gonna do. They tired of it and buggered off in due course.
Steam | XBL
If you keep joining a new sesssion you'll eventually luck into one with noone else in it. Let's you get a few things done without the restrictions of a solo session. It's the best way for gathering cars for instance, you'll have NPC controlled enemies though so best to have a friend if possible.
Nothing good lasts forever, and eventually a murder hobo will join and start raining on everyone's parade.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
I also caved on the other big Twitch sale this week - after checking out some videos - and bought a Stromberg. That thing is a lot of fun, looks great, is tough as old boots, and hits hard. And it's actually a decent car in its own class.
As I've discovered, an Oppressor is about the only thing it can't go toe to toe with (not least because that blasted thing can fire off missiles in such rapid succession that even the Stromberg with full armor upgrade isn't resilient enough).
Steam | XBL
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
Similar for the Stromberg, it would seem. I mean, it's good fun, it's just not all that useful. And I was annoyed to discover I can't dock it at my yacht like a regular watercraft, so it just drifts away. That's a shame, it makes an excellent transport from shore to yacht. (The other way, I might as well just grab the helicopter.) Though it's not too terrible to just get to shore and order it via personal vehicle delivery.
Still, considering the sale prices for both the yacht and Stromberg, I don't feel too stung. I'd just piled up money for ages and not spent it. But now I'm feeling I need to get back to where I was and not quite sure how I'm going to do it. Mostly through the MC counterfeit cash factory and stocking up the CEO warehouse, probably...
I had two Oppressor griefers last night in two separate sessions, too. You'd think they'd get fed up of being down ten thousand every time they blew up the Stromberg, but I guess not. *sigh*
Steam | XBL
10,000 is nothing to people hwo have managed to afford an Opressor. Like I'm not rich in game but I could destroy like 200 cars before being broke.
Oh, I know. But it starts adding up after a while. Still, their money.
Griefers gonna grief.
Steam | XBL
Yeah, the evil lair even has a griefing room where you can directly convert money into kills.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
Also, holy shit the night club prints money if you have the other businesses and are willing to leave the game running afk during the day. I set it idle when I go to bed, and then after work the next day I have a 700-800k sale waiting for me.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
Are you sticking a rubber band on the controller so it doesn't kick you for idling or something?
Steam | XBL
That's one technique, but I've been loading into a contact mission (specifically "Titan of a Job", but it doesn't matter), and then drive to my apartment and watch TV. The game doesn't kick you if you're watching TV. Watching TV within a contact mission also dodges your daily fees that proc every 48 minutes.
Also I set my graphics to windowed borderless and set the option to not pause the game when it loses focus.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
When purchasing a nightclub, purchase one that has easy access to the highway to facilitate easier sales. If you are interested in partaking in the free-roam PvP "business battle" events that kick off occasionally, then you'll probably also want the nightclub to be easily accessible via helicopter. Proximity to your CEO office or other businesses is of zero consequence. For what it's worth, I purchased the Cypress Flats nightclub on the sourtheast side of the city since it can be easily accessed from the interstate and there is a large multi-lane road in front of it that has plenty of room for landing a helicopter. That side of the city is also usually far away from the PvP warzones, so you can avoid the opportunist griefers can't be arsed to hunt you down but will gladly attack if you happen to be close by.
Maintaining nightclub popularity seems to be an utter waste of your time from a moneymaking perspective. Maybe keep it up for roleplaying purposes or to try and get some achievements, but from a moneymaking perspective I think that it may be best to ignore it altogether.
Nightclub sales are all single vehicle sales with fairly robust sale vehicles that I've read take ~six missile to kill when fully armored and that also aren't eligible lockon targets for homing missiles. They are also all accessible from the interaction menu in freeroam, so you don't need to spend time calling the mechanic to summon them. However they are all significantly more fragile outside of the context of sale missions, and will die to one explosive in freeroam. Below are my opinions of the different sale vehicles:
Speedo Custom: This is included free with the purchase of your nightclub. It is used for small sales. I love it and it has replaced my weaponized tampa as a vehicle that I call in to steamroll NPCs on the ground. Its windows are not bulletproof, but when fully armored they turn into those narrow slit windows that the armored Karuma has that are harder to aim at. I recommend equipping the remote fifty cal since it is more accurate and can aim up higher than the remote minigun. Proxy mines are fine too.
Mule Custom: This is normally used for medium sales. DO NOT BUY THIS POS. DO NOT BUY IT. DO NOT BUY IT. IT SUCKS. IT IS SLOW AND TERRIBLE. THESE ALL CAPS AREN'T ALL CAPPED ENOUGH. DO NOT BUY IT.
Pounder Custom: This is used for large sales. If you do not own a mule custom, then this will be used for medium sales as well. It is MUCH faster than the mule and has more mass for ramming cars out of the way. Go ahead and equip it with proxy mines if you want. Consider skipping the rocket turret though since it has trouble aiming down at nearby targets, and it makes the pounder too tall to fit under overpasses or pass through some tunnels.
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And to clarify about how the nightclubs accrue supplies. I hope the following points clear things up.
1: In order to assign a technician to source product from your businesses, you need to both own that business and have it operational.
2: Once assigned to a business product, the technicians pull the product out of their ass. They do not influence the product supply at the actual business.
3: The other businesses only need to be operational. They do not need to be kept in supply or produce product.
So for example, let's say that I want to assign one of my nightclub technicians to stock meth within the nightclub. I need to own one of the meth labs and have it active. I do not need to pay for supplies for the methlab to produce meth. LJT will call me on the phone and complain about how production has stopped at the methlab, but within the context of the nightclub the flow of meth will be all fine and dandy.
Occasionally some of the technicians seem to bug up and stop sourcing supplies. You haven't done anything wrong, the game just bugged up. Play musical chairs with the technicians by switching them around to source different products to get the products flowing again.
I haven't done an indepth analysis about which products are best, but common consensus seems to be to just stick with Cocaine, meth, counterfeit money, bunker weapons, and CEO crates. The two products shunned by the community and left out in the cold are weed and forged documents.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
One more money making trick. It's possible to get discount supplies for your bunker/biker businesses. Here's how it works.
1: Resupply at full cost for 75k
2: Wait until at least one tick of production takes place.
3: Resupply again. The cost will be reduced as low as 15k since your supplies are mostly full.
4: BEFORE THE SECOND BATCH OF SUPPLIES ARRIVES, enter a contact mission such as "A titan of a job" and then go AFK in your apartment for at least two hours.
5: Once you're done being afk, return to free roam. By this point, your business supplies will have been converted to product. A few minutes after returning to free roam, your discount batch of supplies will FINALLY arrive at your businesses and fully resupply the businesses.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
What's your screen name? I'm SirCarcass.
I checked out the casino, which was cool, but ultimately pointless. I got a free basic penthouse through Twitch Prime, which is also kind of cool but pointless, and costs me $500 every property tax cycle. I guess the best thing about it is getting VIP casino access. I thought I got a free bunker from that, too, but apparently it's a refund after purchasing the basic Zacundo bunker, which is 1.5m while I only have 850k. Seems like I need 1.5m to get started making any kind of money.
I did the first casino story mission, which was decent. The payout is weak, but you do get a bonus the first time you finish each mission, which I think is 50k. You also get a bonus for finishing the last one, and I guess a 500k bonus if you finish them all in a row. I did it with a single random, which made it kind of difficult, but he was at least not useless (hell, he was probably less useless than I was, I'm pretty rusty). We did have to try it 3 times, but we finally got it.
I've barely touched any of the online missions, including heists, due to not wanting to deal with randoms, but that's probably my best shot at early money.
I don't personally like the looks of the location of the fort zancudo bunker since I don't care for the road access to it, and air access needs to respect the restricted air space of the fort itself. However it's hard to compete against a value of "free" and you get a 50% trade in discount when you swap bunkers later. The Farmhouse bunker is popular for its proximity to Los Santos, easy highway access, and fairly central location relative to sale sites. I use the route 68 bunker since it is in extremely close proximity to my biker clubhouse, methlab, cocaine lockup, counterfeit money printer, and doomsday facility.
As of this week, I think that your best way to make money will be to take advantage of the double cash rewards from vip missions. You can register as a vip if you have 50k in the bank. Then, via the interaction menu, you can access vip work missions. They're pretty easy missions that normally pay 20-25k, but are paying double that right now. Sightseer and head hunter are the most popular ones. There's also some capture a briefcase one that you can do at LSIA Airport, where I always steal a plane to escape from the cops. Haulage is pretty easy IMO. I think there may be some annoying restrictions on being a vip. I've read a 4 hour max duration with 12 hour cool down, but they may have changed the numbers (you used to need 1 mil instead of 50k). CEOs are not bound by those restrictions.
If you don't have a buzzard, then you might want to invest in one. As a ceo you can summon a buzzard adjacent to you for free if you own one (25k if you don't) . I think vips have the same skill.
I think that the wealth progression progression this week may follow this rough guideline:
*Do vip work to accrue more funds
*Collect your "free" bunker and have it start producing product for some pseudo-passive income
*Buy a ceo office for permanent access to the vip/ceo status
*buy a ceo crate or vehicle warehouse to give you more lucrative solo moneymaking options
*buy a nightclub and have it start accruing afk bucks from your bunker/ceo warehouse
*buy a motorcycle clubhouse, and cocaine, meth, counterfeit cash businesses (that's descending order of importance) to further bolster the nightclub's afk bucks.
I don't know if you want to bother with the bunker and biker businesses upgrades right away if you are just trying to get the nightclub to full afk money farm mode. Bunker is worth the upgrades, but you might want to trade in for a more convenient site first. You'll also want to buy a buzzard somewhere in there since it's super useful.
If you lack a helicopter, cheap ways to get some are to call up merryweather or request a vip luxury helicopter (1k, 5k), then kill the pilot to steal the ride. The luxury helicopter is faster. If you don't kill the pilot of the luxury helicopter, then she can fast travel you to your office or ceo warehouses.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
@Sir Carcass
Check warstock cache and carry. At some point the Duke o'Death was made free to "returning players." I don't know what restrictions define who qualifies as a "returning player", or if that deal is even still in effect at all. But you might as well check. It's an armored muscle car. I think it has a better top speed, better ramming ability, and better explosive resistance than the armored karuma, but has worse agility and worse small arms protection than the karuma. Doesn't hurt to check. Best case is a free armored car.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
It was for people who played GTAO on PS3/360 and then played on the upgraded version. I first bought it on PC, so it doesn't count for me, unfortunately.
FAST TRAVEL CONSIDERATIONS:
Time is money, and getting around the map fast can help you avoid downtime. Having a fast car or aircraft is nice, but there are a few ways that you can outpace a speedy vehicle.
*Any property with a bed can be set as a respawn location. By setting your respawn location to a different property and then finding a new session, you can quickly relocate across the map. The downside is that you're in a new session, which can be bad if you were trying to stay grouped with friends or if the current session was full of friendly people.
*Heist rooms can act as fast travel sites. If you've begun the set of setup missions for a heist, then Lester will send you a job request on your phone to continue the heist. Accept the quest to quickly be transported across the map to your heist room.
*Luxury Helicopters: As a CEO, you can request a luxury helicopter for $5000. While you can kill the pilot to claim the helicopter for yourself, if you simply ride as a passenger you will be given the option to fast travel to your CEO office or one of your warehouses.
*Terrorbyte: Not really fast travel for you, but more of fast travel for your office. The terrorbyte can be used to start CEO crate and import/export missions. If you own a terrorbyte, then you can request that it be delivered nearby. Traveling a block or so to the terrorbyte is usually much faster than returning to your office.
Properties:
*Luxury apartment: Its purpose is to let you host heists. The apartment's location doesn't really matter, although as mentioned above you can fast travel to the apartment so you may want one that teleports you near some other point of interest. For example, my apartment at Integrity way is across the street from my CEO office at the Arcadius building.
*CEO office: You begin crate and car import missions from here. Your main consideration should be to pick a site that's close to your warehouses since, after completing one of those missions, you'll need to quickly return to the office to begin another. Once you get a terrorbyte, the office's location doesn't matter much. Minor note: You can stock up on free snacks from the candy bowl that your receptionist has. Another Note: The snacks aren't truly free and cost $1 each IIRC.
*Crate warehouses: You major concerns should be ease of approaching the warehouses. Easy ground access is nice for if you're racing a car with a triple crate sale into it, but easy helicopter access is even more important if the mission has three individual crates that you must fetch by yourself. Proximity to your CEO office is also a nice plus. In a perfect world you'll have two large warehouses for downtimeless grinding, and one small warehouse for "special" crates. The double larges IMO only really pay off during double crate sale weeks. Otherwise alternating between a large crate warhouse and doing vehicle import/export work is plenty with normal sale prices.
*Vehicle warehouse: The primary concern is easy of access for ground vehicles. I recommend ones that have easy access to the highway. When sourcing/selling cars, I normally ignore the GPS and simply take the highway too and from my warehouse. I have the La Mesa vehicle warehouse, but it's not the only one that has good highway access. I've read that some people use the Elysian island one due to their ability to make use of the subways to access it. I think that's interesting, but I haven't looked into it myself.
*Bicker Clubhouse: You only really use this to purchase your biker businesses. It can be used as a central hub to check the stock levels of the business. Its location doesn't really matter. However it comes with a free bed, so you can use it as a respawn location for fast traveling with a session hop.
*Assorted biker businesses: You won't need to travel to these places often. Only once every few hours of gameplay or so. Resupply missions are frowned upon in favor of simply purchasing supplies since the time that it takes to source supplies from a mission often doesn't stack up favorably compared to the gold standard of income from CEO work. Maybe pick one roughly near a property that you can fast travel to? The main concern is for it to be close to some of the biker sales. To that end you want to be close to Los Santos for ground sales, but also you don't want to be too far from the airfield on the northen side of the inland lake incase you get a dodo/buzzard sale. Having a helicopter on standby before you start a sale mission is preferred in-case you need to hop across the lake to the northernmost airfield for the dodo/buzzard sales, or travel to one of the beaches for the speedboat sales. I'm quite fond of the cocaine/meth/money businesses near the middle of the map near route 68.
*Bunker: Like the biker businesses, you don't need to travel to them often and purchasing supplies is preferred. IMO pick a site that can easily access the highway for quick trips into Los Santos for the Phantom Wedge/Insurgent sales. Also pick a site that is fairly close to the middle of the map for easy monster truck sales. I like route 68 for its proximity to my biker businesses. Farmhouse has superior highway access into Los Santos for the Insrugent/wedge sales. Some people like the bunkers that are Desert/Smoke bunkers to put them close to an airfield to steal naturally spawning aircraft. The Grapeseed bunker is also close to naturally spawning aircraft, but it may be a bit far north for comfortable sales.
*Hangar: Hangar sale missions are not very profitable at all. Buy one to unlock the option to own some personal vehicles. One of the ones at fort zancudo is likely best since then you'll be granted permission to enter fort zancudo as a bonus. The one closest to the ocean has the aircraft spawn zones that are closest to the hangar, but the cheaper one works too if you don't care.
*Doomsday Facility: This is used to host your Doomsday heists. As far as approaching the facility is concerned, that's only applicable for some of the heist setup missions. Since it has a heist room, it can be used as a fast travel node that can be utilized without hopping sessions. So perhaps pick one that's nearby some of your other properties (seeing a trend with me liking Route 68 yet?). If you talk to the receptionist, you can exit the vehicle with a Pegasus aircraft. The receptionist also has another bowl of "free not-free" candy.
*Nightclub: During normal operations, you never need to approach the nightclub. You simply need to sell your products once it is full, so good highway access is preferred to help facilitate faster movement. DO NOT BUY THE MULE CUSTOM. You only want to use the speedo custom for small sales, and the pounder custom for medium and large sales. If you partake in business battles, then easy access via helicopter is nice as well. IMO keeping your nightclub popularity up is a waste of effort for grinding money.
I am not claiming that my choices are best, since I think that some choices are superior in some aspects. However I think that my choices synergize together pretty well and I am very content with them. Below are my property choices for my major businesses.
Los Santos properties:
*Integrity Way apartment
*Arcadius building office
*La Mesa vehicle warehouse
*Cypress flats nightclub
*Cypress flats large crate warehouse
Heist room fast travel facilitates quick access to my office (although that's kinda moot with the terrorbyte these days). The La Mesa vehicle warehouse, and the cypress flats properties are all easily accessible from the interstate, so I can zip over on the ground without worrying about intersections or narrow roads. The furniture store large crate warehouse is cheaper and easier to access, and I'll probably buy it too eventually. However Cypress flats won out since it happens to be adjacent to a personal aircraft spawn zone for spawning in my Akula.
Blaine county properties:
Great Chaparral Clubhouse
Route 68 Bunker
Route 68 facility
Alamo sea cocaine lockup
Grand Senora Desert meth lab
Grand Senora Desert Counterfeit cash
I picked these properties because of their close proximity to each other around route 68. Originally the clubhouse was my respawn fast travel node that facilitated me easily reaching them all. However now that I can spawn in a pegasus helicopter from my facility, I might be more inclined to give farmhouse a try for the easier Los Santos access. At present though I'm content and not willing to make the sale.
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Another note, my properties are mostly far away from the griefer warzones. I normally see a lot of mayhem near the Del Perro side of Los Santos, likely stemming from the fact that the cheapest luxury apartment is there which snowballed into most people buying it and then buying other properties near it.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
I remembered a nice one-time source of money. I think that they may still be doing that "bounty hunter" thing that was an advertisement for RDO. If you're getting text messages from someone asking you to do bounty hunting, then go into your phone and accept their missions. You'll probably want to hijack a high speed helicopter for traversing the map. Fly to the site of each bounty, land, beat the crap out of them with your fists, then bring them back to quest giver. Each bounty is worth 10k alive, and then after all five you get sent to pickup some stone hatchet. If you go on an NPC murdering spree with the hatchet, you get 250k at the end.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
What's the rationale behind turning off the internet on losses? When does the game save?
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
So if you change outfits the game automatically saves. So you can go into the interaction menu, switch to a pre-set outfit and it will save. Turning off the internet, even just off and on (I'm on Playstation) immediately disconnects yu from the server and doesn't save. So I will play hands at maximum bets (sadly the maximum is 50,000) and play. If I win, I leave the table, switch outfits and sit back down. If I lose, I disconnect because it's not worth it otherwise. If you lose a few times in a row it wipes you out pretty quickly.
So I logged on to spin the wheel before, luckily I won the new car, then went up to the penthouse, played a few hands, won like 6 times in a row as I went from 100,000 to 500,000 and all in about 5 minutes. Then when I lose I just turned the internet off. When I log on the money I had pre-losing bet will have been saved by me changing outfits.
It's not ideal to do it this way but if you have the patience/time you could probably make a few million in an hour doing this. I tend to only log on for the wheel so if I lose at cards I just quit and move on with my day. There was a really good glitch with the Fast Track early on that could make you like 300,000 off a 100 bet, but they've patched that.
Ah, the changing outfit is what I was missing. I'm on PC, but I'll definitely give this a try because the grind sucks. If I can get it to work, it should be good at least for getting me a few things I need right now.
Edit: Hmm, doesn't seem to work for me. It seemed to save regardless of what I did because on both attempts I won the first hand and lost the second, and my total was after the loss both times I reloaded.
Armchair: 4098-3704-2012
Maybe it is a PC thing? How quickly are you disconnecting? I've usually disconnected before the dealer has time to say sorry for my loss. I've just logged on and I've definitely still got 460000 in chips plus the 800000 I cashed out before betting yesterday. On PS4 it's a quick process and I can disconnect in like 3 seconds so maybe that helps. Once it's done successfully it immediately kicks me to a black screen saying my connection has been lost and puts me back into the singleplayer.
Yes I think they're paying extra attention to the horse racing. Unless they've changed it they actually over-fixed it meaning a lot of the time it can just freeze. I assume the intent was to stop you moving your cursor to activate the glitch but it can freeze it entirely. Most people commenting I've seen online have said spend the money because they don't take things off you. Dunno how true that is though.
It'd be nicer if there were more heist jobs and they were easier to get into. I much prefer playing with people but a lot of the better heists rarely come up, and starting them yourself, at least in my experience, it is difficult to get people to join in any reasonable manner of time and even harder when some of the setup missions are just terrible. There's one relating to the...submarine heist I think, you have to drop a van off in a compound so it can activate an EMP and disable the place, but that has like a 5 minute drive to the location first and then it's very easy to set the alarms off, so I've seen that repeat over and over until people quit and then the job drops. It's frustrating. I'd much rather spend an hour earning a million doing bank heists.
It's telling that the casino jobs pay nothing. I think the max is about 100,000 which is the cost of changing your appearance ffs.
The second tine I tried it, I had a crappy hand and as soon as I saw the dealer flip over a face card (was playing 3 card poker) I disconnected. It still takes me a few seconds to do, so I might not have been quick enough. I also did it on the casino floor, so I don't know if that works differently. I did get the message that my connection was lost and it put me back into singleplayer (and took foooooorever to get back into online, after several failed tries). I'll play around with it some more.
I've only done it with Blackjack so maybe there's a difference there. I usually have ample time to quit though. It might save less often on consoles due to different hardware limitations. The Casino Floor/Personal Dealer work exactly the same for me, I just invested in the personal dealer because it cuts out the huge amount of time between loading from the Penthouse into the Casino and then walking very, very slowly to the back, then finding which room doesn't have a table taken by NPCs.