Do the bodies decompose in a controlled environment? I thought open air decomposition had epidemiological implications. Like, that it drove disease in eg sieges, where the starved corpses overwhelmed burial capacity
I guess close proximity is a difference
I would bet my left nut that you're not allowed to have grandpa composting in open air
(I mean few people manage to actually compost their lawn clippings, let alone a body)
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The bosses in Control actively make the game much worse. God. Damn.
I thought the bacteria from human bodies decomposing made it unsuitable for use in gardening?
I suppose they could carefully sterilize it after the body is done breaking down
the company linked in the article has a faq which claims that it's safe?
HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS PROCESS IS SAFE?
Natural organic reduction is a managed biological process used to convert organic material, including human remains, into a stable earthy organic material that is unrecognizable as human remains. During the process, change occurs on a molecular level.
A form of natural organic reduction has been practiced for decades by farmers as a way of recycling livestock back to the earth. The safety of this practice has been well documented by many different Departments of Ecology and research universities around the United States.
In 2018, Washington State University completed research to demonstrate that natural organic reduction is a safe and effective means of human disposition. The results of that study can be read here.
At the end of the 30 days, we screen for non-organics and make sure the resultant soil is finished.
WHAT ABOUT PATHOGENS (I.E. MICROORGANISMS THAT CAN CAUSE DISEASE)?
Natural organic reduction creates the perfect environment for microbes and beneficial bacteria to thrive. When they do, they create temperatures of 120-160 degrees Fahrenheit. These temperatures destroy harmful pathogens, and transform the body, wood chips, and straw into a final material which is safe for humans and plant life.
ARE THERE ANY INSTANCES WHERE SOMEONE WOULD NOT BE A CANDIDATE FOR NATURAL ORGANIC REDUCTION?
The process of natural organic reduction destroys most harmful pathogens. However, there is not enough evidence showing that the process breaks down prion disease. So, someone who has died of a prion disease, such as Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, would not be a candidate for natural organic reduction. Similarly, someone who has died of a highly contagious disease such as Ebola (an outbreak of which would be managed by the CDC) would not be a candidate for organic reduction.
For most Americans, there are two main choices after death: burial or cremation. But now people in Washington State have a third legal option: They can have their bodies turned into soil.
Gov. Jay Inslee signed legislation on Wednesday allowing the practice of “aboveground decomposition,” making Washington the first state in the nation — and likely the first place in the world, legal experts said — to explicitly allow human remains to become compost.
The bodies decomposed after about four weeks, the researchers said, producing about one cubic yard of soil per person.
The two traditional means of disposing of human remains come with drawbacks. Burial takes up land, which is increasingly scarce in cities. And cremation, which recently surpassed burial as the most popular choice for disposing of human remains, produces significant greenhouse gases.
For most Americans, there are two main choices after death: burial or cremation. But now people in Washington State have a third legal option: They can have their bodies turned into soil.
Gov. Jay Inslee signed legislation on Wednesday allowing the practice of “aboveground decomposition,” making Washington the first state in the nation — and likely the first place in the world, legal experts said — to explicitly allow human remains to become compost.
The bodies decomposed after about four weeks, the researchers said, producing about one cubic yard of soil per person.
The two traditional means of disposing of human remains come with drawbacks. Burial takes up land, which is increasingly scarce in cities. And cremation, which recently surpassed burial as the most popular choice for disposing of human remains, produces significant greenhouse gases.
Quasi-relatedly, I was reading this post about how Georgette Heyer novels are secretly forced-masc fantasies and I was thinking I hadn't read any Georgette Heyer novels but then I'm like oh, wait, I did read The Corinthian years ago, and yes I do recall quite enjoying its particular brand of historical queer-flavored cross-dressing heterosexual romance
There is no force-masc fantasy more powerful than this! The straightest, hottest guy in the world, God’s own quarterback, doesn’t care that it looks gay when he’s kissing you. Go straight to jail, do not collect $200, it’s all over but the shouting, it’s Chinatown baby, this is it.
Sexual racism is very obviously real but surely there are also visceral and emotional components that dictate we can't cajole people into liking things they don't want to like. Is sexual kink and desire mutable enough that people could sit and interrogate themselves into liking something completely different? I am not sure it can be done or that it is a good thing to do so.
You keep talking about cajoling and imposing change, so I guess I'm not explaining myself well
It's about understanding what those desires mean for that person and the culture they're built from; to the extent that they are changed by this interrogation, I'm talking (optimistically) about a person understanding that meaning, and if it reveals something unpleasant, working to change it themselves
To me "daddy" in that context accesses a towering stack of cultural baggage and the fucked up way our society depicts, sees and relates to fatherhood and fathers; that's why it works, why any taboo works
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I think that conflating sexual racism—which is extremely real and harms people in obvious ways—with saying “daddy” is a mistake. Saying daddy feels icky to people and they have a just so story about why it shows you have the wrong sort of interests, but it’s very speculative and even more so any harms from the practice are very speculative.
IMO, like many cultural differences, people start with the ick reaction and then work backward to some mediocre, unfalsifiable rationalization. Yes, I agree that in principle we can scrutinize things. But also we shouldn’t fall into the trap of white western feminists in the 90s who just assumed that anything they found icky and offputting about the global south, in light of their own preconceptions, was therefore patriarchy and definitely everyone down there’s fault. The first step is trying a little harder to understand how people actually experience things.
Hmm googling on the subject got me a paper on the metal toxicity in the largest Rawandan mass grave and it's a single author who definitely dug up dirt and did ICPMS on it. That's enough internet for today.
I thought the heavy metals we accumulate during our life time were a problem for decomp.
I don't think that would affect the process in any appreciable way
the amount of heavy metals that an alive being can survive is another order of magnitude than the amount of heavy metals that will pose a problem for bacteria
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Sexual racism is very obviously real but surely there are also visceral and emotional components that dictate we can't cajole people into liking things they don't want to like. Is sexual kink and desire mutable enough that people could sit and interrogate themselves into liking something completely different? I am not sure it can be done or that it is a good thing to do so.
You keep talking about cajoling and imposing change, so I guess I'm not explaining myself well
It's about understanding what those desires mean for that person and the culture they're built from; to the extent that they are changed by this interrogation, I'm talking (optimistically) about a person understanding that meaning, and if it reveals something unpleasant, working to change it themselves
To me "daddy" in that context accesses a towering stack of cultural baggage and the fucked up way our society depicts, sees and relates to fatherhood and fathers; that's why it works, why any taboo works
Okay but what if Daddy fetish exists even in highly egalitarian societies that value fatherhood and fathers? Wouldn't the transgressive kink just take another form?
I think that conflating sexual racism—which is extremely real and harms people in obvious ways—with saying “daddy” is a mistake. Saying daddy feels icky to people and they have a just so story about why it shows you have the wrong sort of interests, but it’s very speculative and even more so any harms from the practice are very speculative.
IMO, like many cultural differences, people start with the ick reaction and then work backward to some mediocre, unfalsifiable rationalization. Yes, I agree that in principle we can scrutinize things. But also we shouldn’t fall into the trap of white western feminists in the 90s who just assumed that anything they found icky and offputting about the global south, in light of their own preconceptions, was therefore patriarchy and definitely everyone down there’s fault. The first step is trying a little harder to understand how people actually experience things.
Again, I'm not even saying that people who say "daddy" should even stop. It's more like, the fact that people say it and use it this way means we should wonder about how we engage with fatherhood and power relationships, broadly and individually. That's what I mean by fraught.
I could be looking for more than is there, certainly. Do you think people would say "daddy" in a culture where the norm is loose gender roles on a spectrum, large polycules raising children, and less authoritarian approaches to parenting? Actually maybe they'd say it just as much because of the taboo of regression, hmmm
I thought the heavy metals we accumulate during our life time were a problem for decomp.
I don't think that would affect the process in any appreciable way
the amount of heavy metals that an alive being can survive is another order of magnitude than the amount of heavy metals that will pose a problem for bacteria
Oops I wasn't thinking about the bacteria. I was more worried that decomping in your yard could poison groundwater or municipal sporadically where as cemeteries are highly contaminated but it's all concentrated. Like a heavy metal landfill.
Sexual racism is very obviously real but surely there are also visceral and emotional components that dictate we can't cajole people into liking things they don't want to like. Is sexual kink and desire mutable enough that people could sit and interrogate themselves into liking something completely different? I am not sure it can be done or that it is a good thing to do so.
You keep talking about cajoling and imposing change, so I guess I'm not explaining myself well
It's about understanding what those desires mean for that person and the culture they're built from; to the extent that they are changed by this interrogation, I'm talking (optimistically) about a person understanding that meaning, and if it reveals something unpleasant, working to change it themselves
To me "daddy" in that context accesses a towering stack of cultural baggage and the fucked up way our society depicts, sees and relates to fatherhood and fathers; that's why it works, why any taboo works
Okay but what if Daddy fetish exists even in highly egalitarian societies that value fatherhood and fathers? Wouldn't the transgressive kink just take another form?
This is sort of a broader question about sexual psychology, which I'm even less certain about
Would a utopian progressive society still pursue transgressive kinks (seems likely, but I think we're all too fucked up to tell)
If nothing were really transgressive, would they be less excited by sex overall
friends I finally found a therapist I am interested in working with who has an opening that I can make it to, next monday
I am excited and nervous
she incorporates meditation into her stuff so hopefully that will be good and I'm not joining a cult
I just found out my former therapist dropped my insurance. Hopefully she can recommend someone, but fuck it sucks because finding a good one is difficult.
Sexual racism is very obviously real but surely there are also visceral and emotional components that dictate we can't cajole people into liking things they don't want to like. Is sexual kink and desire mutable enough that people could sit and interrogate themselves into liking something completely different? I am not sure it can be done or that it is a good thing to do so.
You keep talking about cajoling and imposing change, so I guess I'm not explaining myself well
It's about understanding what those desires mean for that person and the culture they're built from; to the extent that they are changed by this interrogation, I'm talking (optimistically) about a person understanding that meaning, and if it reveals something unpleasant, working to change it themselves
To me "daddy" in that context accesses a towering stack of cultural baggage and the fucked up way our society depicts, sees and relates to fatherhood and fathers; that's why it works, why any taboo works
Okay but what if Daddy fetish exists even in highly egalitarian societies that value fatherhood and fathers? Wouldn't the transgressive kink just take another form?
This is sort of a broader question about sexual psychology, which I'm even less certain about
Would a utopian progressive society still pursue transgressive kinks (seems likely, but I think we're all too fucked up to tell)
If nothing were really transgressive, would they be less excited by sex overall
I bet we would always find a way to be transgressive.
FUCK YEAH THAT NEUTRAL GRAY SHIFT SHOWS ALL YOUR NON AUGMENTED SPINAL PORTS JUST WAITING TO BE INTEGRATED
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skippy
dont you wanna join this cult of personality
*guitar riff*
I just found out my former therapist dropped my insurance. Hopefully she can recommend someone, but fuck it sucks because finding a good one is difficult.
this lady doesn't take insurance at all so I guess yay that I can afford to pay out of pocket
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Fuck Joe Manchin
I would bet my left nut that you're not allowed to have grandpa composting in open air
(I mean few people manage to actually compost their lawn clippings, let alone a body)
It's not a headache, I don't think I am dehydrated, and I didn't drink yesterday.
This kicked in 2 hrs ago, and my brain is "fuzzy". I'm having trouble concentrating and thinking of the task at hand.
the company linked in the article has a faq which claims that it's safe?
so idk that could be marketing but
I think it's all the chemicals put in the body pre-burial, so if you don't get embalmed your just meat like any other animal...it should work as dirt
paging @Evil Multifarious and his weird love of The Fountain
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
have a sandwich
or maybe some orange juice and soda
blood sugar would be my bet
You keep talking about cajoling and imposing change, so I guess I'm not explaining myself well
It's about understanding what those desires mean for that person and the culture they're built from; to the extent that they are changed by this interrogation, I'm talking (optimistically) about a person understanding that meaning, and if it reveals something unpleasant, working to change it themselves
To me "daddy" in that context accesses a towering stack of cultural baggage and the fucked up way our society depicts, sees and relates to fatherhood and fathers; that's why it works, why any taboo works
IMO, like many cultural differences, people start with the ick reaction and then work backward to some mediocre, unfalsifiable rationalization. Yes, I agree that in principle we can scrutinize things. But also we shouldn’t fall into the trap of white western feminists in the 90s who just assumed that anything they found icky and offputting about the global south, in light of their own preconceptions, was therefore patriarchy and definitely everyone down there’s fault. The first step is trying a little harder to understand how people actually experience things.
(that list includes all of them)
just echoing screeching guitar riffs everywhere
pleasepaypreacher.net
I don't think that would affect the process in any appreciable way
the amount of heavy metals that an alive being can survive is another order of magnitude than the amount of heavy metals that will pose a problem for bacteria
*looks at Switch Backlog*
*Looks back to the image*
Fuck, fine. I'll play the symbolism game!
I am excited and nervous
she incorporates meditation into her stuff so hopefully that will be good and I'm not joining a cult
Again, I'm not even saying that people who say "daddy" should even stop. It's more like, the fact that people say it and use it this way means we should wonder about how we engage with fatherhood and power relationships, broadly and individually. That's what I mean by fraught.
I could be looking for more than is there, certainly. Do you think people would say "daddy" in a culture where the norm is loose gender roles on a spectrum, large polycules raising children, and less authoritarian approaches to parenting? Actually maybe they'd say it just as much because of the taboo of regression, hmmm
Yeah i think thats the idea
This is sort of a broader question about sexual psychology, which I'm even less certain about
Would a utopian progressive society still pursue transgressive kinks (seems likely, but I think we're all too fucked up to tell)
If nothing were really transgressive, would they be less excited by sex overall
I just found out my former therapist dropped my insurance. Hopefully she can recommend someone, but fuck it sucks because finding a good one is difficult.
FUCK YEAH THAT NEUTRAL GRAY SHIFT SHOWS ALL YOUR NON AUGMENTED SPINAL PORTS JUST WAITING TO BE INTEGRATED
dont you wanna join this cult of personality
*guitar riff*
this lady doesn't take insurance at all so I guess yay that I can afford to pay out of pocket