Dem Primary: Shut Up About 2016
Seriously, we're just kicking people from the thread for doing it now. No warnings, just out on your ear.
Those of you who've picked up a lot of warnings and infractions in previous threads should be assured that getting immediately kicked will be your reward for continued dickery.
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This is either a real bumper sticker someone can get or something someone was passionate enough to make on their own
Meanwhile, CBSNews reporter Cara Korte on a Sanders rally:
Meanwhile, I find surprising how Harris has cratered on the polls. Guess that the "Copmala" attack line really had an impact since her polling with minorities is awful.
Huh? Harris seems to be doing fine among minorities from the polling I've seen.
Harris hasn't crated at all afaik. She was doing like second-tier, she got a bump from the first debate after having a go at Biden and then the bump faded and she's basically not done much since.
Primarily I'd say she just hasn't made a good case for her candidacy. She got a bump and did nothing with it and so never went anywhere.
Biden 27.9
Warren 17.7
Sanders 16.1
Harris 6.0
Buttigieg 5.7
Yang 3.3
O'Rourke 3.1
Booker 2.7
Gabbard 1.3
Klobuchar 1.3
Castro 1.1
Steyer 0.8
Bennet 0.7
― Marcus Aurelius
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Harris is unrepentantly pro-Israel at a time when some other candidates are moving away from uncritical support of their right wing government, which bothers me. From my cursory reading, her history as a prosecutor isn't a point in her favor either, though it didn't sound as terrible as it's sometimes made out to be. But as others have argued, she just has no compelling case for her candidacy. I'm not really sure where her support is coming from. People who want a moderate but not a white dude, maybe?
She's a prosecutor that jailed people for non-violent drug offenses....which means that she jailed a bunch of minorities, so the argument against her is that nobody wants to vote for the female Uncle Tom. A poll aggregator links a California poll post-debate and:
I don't know what Harris' core message is.
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I have no idea what this means. Are you saying she wasnt actually a cop? That people didnt really have an issue with her record?
Her message is that she's a cop or rather a DA that can bring Trump down. It's a mixed message because she runs from her record as much as she is selling that she can be a cop to Trumps criminal.
I mean, she was a prosecutor, so no, she wasn't actually a cop. That's exactly what he's saying.
1. She literally was not a cop and the equation is one of the reasons its comically weak and purely a bubble thing.
2. They don't no. It was back filled as a reason for some but the penetration in the greater primary electorate of criticism of her record as a prosecutor was negligible.
3. Even if it had been, a black woman being insufficiently progressive by some vague standard would not move a substantial amount of the electorate.
4. She was a substantially progressive prosecutor.
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She calls herself a cop. Its part of her campaign.
Responding to this from the last thread. It might be correlation with another number, which is that the more attention people are paying to the race, the better Warren does. Biden and Sanders do well with people who are not paying as much attention. Higher education tends to correlate with paying more attention to politics.
Basically there is no indication the whole "Harris is a cop and bad" thing has any play outside of certain online circles. The idea that it's what is harming her does not seem well supported.
I'm not sure that the internet gaggle painting her as Judge Dredd in a skirt is helping her. They repeat that dumb cop meme so it's the first thing anyone knows about her.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kamala-harris-trumps-rap-sheet-851501/
when people call her a cop, it's a shorthand way to associate her with that law enforcement career. that's extremely obvious and the ongoing refusal to interpret that statement correctly is just hair splitting and pedantry.
I think the rhetoric is kind of gross tbh. Prosecutors routinely play the role of petty tyrant in America and wrapping yourself jn that flag will make me actively avoid voting for you.
I want to think more on this, but it makes me despair that people respond to clear and concise analysis of complex topics with, "She sounds like a teacher and that's bad!"
That’s not what people are saying though. They are saying the whole “Copmala” meme is not damaging her the way the internet would have you believe. Outside of here, Reddit, and Twitter I bet it would be very difficult to find someone who has even heard that nickname.
Let poor persecuted Trump go free!
She won't be prosecuting him. The Democrats cant even muster a slap on the wrist. She is trying to sound like a cop.
"Trump should be prosecuted for his crimes" and "I'm a prosecutor vote for me Ill prosecute" arent exactly the same thing to me.
you could at least try to pretend you have even a modicum of good faith in other posters
like it's page one of the thread let's all be pleasant
But yeah I pay way too much attention to the news and Im still pretty hazy on what she actually wants to do as president.
What if it was towards bankers or oil executives? Are you going to claim with a straight face you would think a candidate who called for them to be prosecuted is gross?
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Like i said up thread "They should be prosecuted" and "Im a prosecutor vote for me Ill prosecute" arent the same thing to me.
The rhetoric of "I will prosecute the case of beating trump" is a muted rallying cry to "Oil executives knowingly poisoned the earth and should be prosecuted."
In what way?
No Im not particulalry interested in arguing this one out.
Suffice it to say shes polling in single digits so Im spared having to decide whether her enthusiastic participation in a brutally unjust system precludes voting for her.
You remain Pure by staying out of difficult roles in politics, but that doesn’t help anyone.
I have nothing but praise for Krasner.