I have to say, I'm starting to find the Warren scandals increasingly precious.
Warren might not have been fired three decades ago!
Warren had a slightly problematic understanding of the nuances of native American culture, and then apologized!
Yeah, some of the things she's said about Israel and Palestine are way more serious
Such as?
I shared a bunch of them in this thread....2 days ago I think?
You posted a link to some somewhat short interview answers she did and a long socialist article and summed up your view on her as an unacceptable Obama clone on Israel. I am not sure what your nuanced views are because I didn't read the article and don't plan to.
I know she is staunchly pro-Israel, critical and unsympathetic to Hamas and their tactics, and is a proponent of a two state solution where Israel concedes some territory and the US props up a docile Palestinian state indefinitely. Is there anything else?
is that... not enough?
surely "staunchly pro-israel" is already an ethical concern
I just wondered if she had said anything particularly notable besides the aforementioned. It's hard to find all the soundbites politicians say at small events.
Anyone less hawkish than Feinstein represents a drift towards improvement, to me.
Thats just the thing, if she's less of a hawk than baseline Democrats there's precious little evidence for it.
This idea that she's as much of a hawkish Israel shill as any Democrat is a bit weird, since even socialist sources don't seem to believe that?
Here's a Jacobin article (with a strong dose of 'But Bernie is Better' and to be fair on this I think he is) that notes that she's been moving away from Israel over time
And she made a lot of pro-Israel outlets uncomfortable when someone asked about Israel's apartheid situation and she danced around it without denying the characterization, though the statement itself was a big nothing.
I have to say, I'm starting to find the Warren scandals increasingly precious.
Warren might not have been fired three decades ago!
Warren had a slightly problematic understanding of the nuances of native American culture, and then apologized!
You forgot "Warren may or may not have had a whirlwind tryst with a man a third her age"
Edit: well, shit, Marathon got there way before I did, teach me not to refresh before posting
"Warren is attractive to younger men!"
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"A lot of people think they know Elizabeth Warren. But the truth is, she's a legit snack who has plans to solve all our country's problems, and she has never even been fired."
I mean, the attack ads write themselves.
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I have to say, I'm starting to find the Warren scandals increasingly precious.
Warren might not have been fired three decades ago!
Warren had a slightly problematic understanding of the nuances of native American culture, and then apologized!
You forgot "Warren may or may not have had a whirlwind tryst with a man a third her age"
Edit: well, shit, Marathon got there way before I did, teach me not to refresh before posting
I'm not counting that one because it's the two idiots Wohl and Burkman. They're doing literally the same thing with Harris tomorrow.
Yeah I don’t think anyone is paying any serious attention to the junior ratfuckers club after their attempted Mueller hit.
Like people will cover Jacob Wohl because he is a clown. And they have been covering him as a clown. Like some sort of partisan performance-art improv comedy troupe
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perhaps it is true, but it is really disheartening that being cozy with russia or china or cuba is powerful fuel for attack ads but being cozy with israel is not
Elizabeth Warren is a Democratic Primary Candidate. Obviously.
"After I became visibly pregnant, I was told that the job I'd been promised for next year would go to someone else. Pregnancy discrimination is real, and it still happens today—but telling our stories is one way we can fight back. Here are some of your stories that I heard today."
Attached to a video sharing the same details, and the stories she has been told by others.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
I can't see him bowing out before any votes are cast. That would be heart-wrenching for his supporters and staff, but I wonder if this signals a drawdown of his campaign?
So this isn't actually a scandal at all, and like with many of the other attacks, Warren is now using it positively for her campaign.
This morning, her Facebook account posted her story of being informed her job was no longer available to her for the next year as a result of her pregnancy. She then invited other women to share their own stories about being fired for being pregnant and the like while calling for greater protections in the workplace.
Within 3 hours it had nearly 1000 comments and tons of positive reactions.
Looks like she's figuring out how to handle opposition weapons - with a goddamn Auto-cast + Reflect materia setup. And I'm not talking about Trump's level 1 "no u" version.
People who are running a good campaign continue to run a good campaign. A stunning development.
I'm not going to lie, bring able to respond well and pivot off of unfair attacks was like my number one concern with a Warren run
You know Trump is gonna go back to the "Pocahontas" well. (If not for impeachment I would have expected it to be happening right now) I'm still curious and slightly worried how she's gonna react to it.
I'm sure her campaign has spent like a thousand hours of planning on that very thing though because any competent campaign would have prepared for that obvious attack.
Honestly, she should just call him a dickhead when he does it. One of the most masterful campaign moments Obama managed was when Mitt tried to capitalize on Benghazi. He judo flipped Mitt right on the stage and made the attack a weakness. Nobody ever puts Trump in his place, quit arguing with the dickhead and just tell him to pound sand.
With the most recent Quinnipiac poll Warren is now tied/ahead of Biden on average with RCP.
At this point she is in first or second depending on the margin of error overall. It does mean more and more attacks coming at her but so far nothing is sticking it seems or at least hurting her polling.
Probably next we will see the "too far left" and "wants unconstitutional taxes on billionaires" as the main attacks.
So this isn't actually a scandal at all, and like with many of the other attacks, Warren is now using it positively for her campaign.
This morning, her Facebook account posted her story of being informed her job was no longer available to her for the next year as a result of her pregnancy. She then invited other women to share their own stories about being fired for being pregnant and the like while calling for greater protections in the workplace.
Within 3 hours it had nearly 1000 comments and tons of positive reactions.
Looks like she's figuring out how to handle opposition weapons - with a goddamn Auto-cast + Reflect materia setup. And I'm not talking about Trump's level 1 "no u" version.
People who are running a good campaign continue to run a good campaign. A stunning development.
I'm not going to lie, bring able to respond well and pivot off of unfair attacks was like my number one concern with a Warren run
You know Trump is gonna go back to the "Pocahontas" well. (If not for impeachment I would have expected it to be happening right now) I'm still curious and slightly worried how she's gonna react to it.
I'm sure her campaign has spent like a thousand hours of planning on that very thing though because any competent campaign would have prepared for that obvious attack.
Honestly, she should just call him a dickhead when he does it. One of the most masterful campaign moments Obama managed was when Mitt tried to capitalize on Benghazi. He judo flipped Mitt right on the stage and made the attack a weakness. Nobody ever puts Trump in his place, quit arguing with the dickhead and just tell him to pound sand.
Or prove her teaching Cred once and for all and drop a “whatever you say Donald” in the teacher voice. That level of dismissal and disrespect will have Donny foaming at themouth
Probably next we will see the "too far left" and "wants unconstitutional taxes on billionaires" as the main attacks.
They did that already. Warren turned it into a campaign ad by adding “I approve this message”
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I disapprove of Warren's pledges regarding corporate money and funding if she is the nominee - it won't appease the politically apostate libertarian-leaning young men who talk big about getting rid of corruption and crony capitalism because she is a woman and they could never deign to support her, it wont appease hardcore Bernie voters because they scorn and distrust anyone who isn't Bernie, and all the Joe Qs and know-nothings that always whine about corruption and money in politics won't really reward her for it. She'll just get outraised and outspent.
I disapprove of Warren's pledges regarding corporate money and funding if she is the nominee - it won't appease the politically apostate libertarian-leaning young men who talk big about getting rid of corruption and crony capitalism because she is a woman and they could never deign to support her, it wont appease hardcore Bernie voters because they scorn and distrust anyone who isn't Bernie, and all the Joe Qs and know-nothings that always whine about corruption and money in politics won't really reward her for it. She'll just get outraised and outspent.
Not taking corporate money is a good thing for its own sake, not just as a political calculation
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First you win, then you get the money out of politics.
Politics isn’t as dependent on unloading hundreds of millions in TV ads any more. Targeted social media ads are cheaper and can reach people under 60 years old. Viral promotion by actual supporters is even more powerful and almost free.
That’s how Trump won, despite running on a relative shoestring due to the establishment hating him.
Politics isn’t as dependent on unloading hundreds of millions in TV ads any more. Targeted social media ads are cheaper and can reach people under 60 years old. Viral promotion by actual supporters is even more powerful and almost free.
That’s how Trump won, despite running on a relative shoestring due to the establishment hating him.
Uhhh Trump spent $600m which is pretty close to the $750m that Obama spent in 2012. Clinton raised a gargantuan amount of money close to $1bn.
Trump didn't have a "shoestring" budget, his opponent had a massive one.
That's not free. Identifying what doors to knock on, coordinating volunteers, paying staff to coordinate, liability coverage, vetting, even the packets cost money.
Short version: One plank Harris has taken is that mandatory arbitration needs to go away (which is a good plank.) However, her husband's firm - DLA Piper - still uses such clauses. An partner suing the firm over sexual assault by another partner is trying to get the firm to waive the clause to get her day in court, which the firm is slow pedaling. So her lawyer has publicly asked Harris to back her position on mandatory arbitration and call for DLA Piper to abandon the clause. It's a shrewd move, and puts heat on Harris.
Short version: One plank Harris has taken is that mandatory arbitration needs to go away (which is a good plank.) However, her husband's firm - DLA Piper - still uses such clauses. An partner suing the firm over sexual assault by another partner is trying to get the firm to waive the clause to get her day in court, which the firm is slow pedaling. So her lawyer has publicly asked Harris to back her position on mandatory arbitration and call for DLA Piper to abandon the clause. It's a shrewd move, and puts heat on Harris.
Eh. Harris just needs to say "Yeah, mandatory arbitration is bad". If her husband's firm gets cranky about it, just have him be like "It's just politics man, you know how it is" quietly.
Short version: One plank Harris has taken is that mandatory arbitration needs to go away (which is a good plank.) However, her husband's firm - DLA Piper - still uses such clauses. An partner suing the firm over sexual assault by another partner is trying to get the firm to waive the clause to get her day in court, which the firm is slow pedaling. So her lawyer has publicly asked Harris to back her position on mandatory arbitration and call for DLA Piper to abandon the clause. It's a shrewd move, and puts heat on Harris.
Eh. Harris just needs to say "Yeah, mandatory arbitration is bad". If her husband's firm gets cranky about it, just have him be like "It's just politics man, you know how it is" quietly.
Which she did:
Senator Harris has been and continues to be a staunch advocate for survivors and believes all people must be guaranteed their day in court. She has long opposed forced arbitration agreements and that position has not changed and she does not believe this is any exception.
It's just a shrewd move by the lawyer to put further pressure on the firm.
In Biden's defense, I can see protesting the Ukraine thing coming off as a little "thou doth protest too much" as it would probably be portrayed in the media. And when all of your primary opponents are already coming to your defense on the issue, there's less reason to really address it.
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In Biden's defense, I can see protesting the Ukraine thing coming off as a little "thou doth protest too much" as it would probably be portrayed in the media. And when all of your primary opponents are already coming to your defense on the issue, there's less reason to really address it.
Being late on impeachment is far down in the rather long list of things I don't like about Biden, so yeah, I don't mind brushing it off
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This idea that she's as much of a hawkish Israel shill as any Democrat is a bit weird, since even socialist sources don't seem to believe that?
Here's a Jacobin article (with a strong dose of 'But Bernie is Better' and to be fair on this I think he is) that notes that she's been moving away from Israel over time
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/07/elizabeth-warren-palestine-israel-occupation-ifnotnow-bds-aipac
And for people who don't want to read Jacobin for whatever reason
https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Elizabeth-Warren-says-yes-to-ending-Israels-occupation-595294
And she made a lot of pro-Israel outlets uncomfortable when someone asked about Israel's apartheid situation and she danced around it without denying the characterization, though the statement itself was a big nothing.
Can you at least give us a 1 sentence summary to search for? "I already told you" isn't exactly very helpful to find whatever you said
You forgot "Warren may or may not have had a whirlwind tryst with a man a third her age"
Edit: well, shit, Marathon got there way before I did, teach me not to refresh before posting
"Warren is attractive to younger men!"
I mean, the attack ads write themselves.
I'm not counting that one because it's the two idiots Wohl and Burkman. They're doing literally the same thing with Harris tomorrow.
Yeah I don’t think anyone is paying any serious attention to the junior ratfuckers club after their attempted Mueller hit.
Like people will cover Jacob Wohl because he is a clown. And they have been covering him as a clown. Like some sort of partisan performance-art improv comedy troupe
(I spent longer than I'd care to admit looking for that clip)
Elizabeth Warren is a Democratic Primary Candidate. Obviously.
"After I became visibly pregnant, I was told that the job I'd been promised for next year would go to someone else. Pregnancy discrimination is real, and it still happens today—but telling our stories is one way we can fight back. Here are some of your stories that I heard today."
Attached to a video sharing the same details, and the stories she has been told by others.
Yeah it's almost
like she
had a plan for that
Honestly, she should just call him a dickhead when he does it. One of the most masterful campaign moments Obama managed was when Mitt tried to capitalize on Benghazi. He judo flipped Mitt right on the stage and made the attack a weakness. Nobody ever puts Trump in his place, quit arguing with the dickhead and just tell him to pound sand.
At this point she is in first or second depending on the margin of error overall. It does mean more and more attacks coming at her but so far nothing is sticking it seems or at least hurting her polling.
Probably next we will see the "too far left" and "wants unconstitutional taxes on billionaires" as the main attacks.
I know the whole internet candidate thing doesn't mean broad support, but didn't Ron Paul have like 10% in polls for a while?
Or prove her teaching Cred once and for all and drop a “whatever you say Donald” in the teacher voice. That level of dismissal and disrespect will have Donny foaming at themouth
They did that already. Warren turned it into a campaign ad by adding “I approve this message”
Not taking corporate money is a good thing for its own sake, not just as a political calculation
And then you lose because you've built a campaign machine that relies on that corporate money
Oh good its time for my quarterly "fuck you Dianne Feinstein"
That’s how Trump won, despite running on a relative shoestring due to the establishment hating him.
Uhhh Trump spent $600m which is pretty close to the $750m that Obama spent in 2012. Clinton raised a gargantuan amount of money close to $1bn.
Trump didn't have a "shoestring" budget, his opponent had a massive one.
and the grifting. dont forget that
That's not free. Identifying what doors to knock on, coordinating volunteers, paying staff to coordinate, liability coverage, vetting, even the packets cost money.
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There's also limited evidence that it does much in general elections
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Short version: One plank Harris has taken is that mandatory arbitration needs to go away (which is a good plank.) However, her husband's firm - DLA Piper - still uses such clauses. An partner suing the firm over sexual assault by another partner is trying to get the firm to waive the clause to get her day in court, which the firm is slow pedaling. So her lawyer has publicly asked Harris to back her position on mandatory arbitration and call for DLA Piper to abandon the clause. It's a shrewd move, and puts heat on Harris.
Eh. Harris just needs to say "Yeah, mandatory arbitration is bad". If her husband's firm gets cranky about it, just have him be like "It's just politics man, you know how it is" quietly.
Which she did:
It's just a shrewd move by the lawyer to put further pressure on the firm.
Sanders is the leftist version of Ron Paul, not Yang
(this isn't a commentary on policy, they're obviously polar opposites, just in terms of demographic excitement)
Nah. Sanders had vastly more of a chance and does not support whatever the left equivalent of the gold standard is.
That would be MMT. And I can't believe that I never noticed that before.
The kind of in-the-moment decisive thinking I want in a leader
Man if even Biden is feeling the impeachment fury it must be really a mainstream thing.
Also kind of funny other candidates cared more about Trump attacking Biden than fucking Biden did.
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Being late on impeachment is far down in the rather long list of things I don't like about Biden, so yeah, I don't mind brushing it off
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