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Girls' Frontline [GFL]: Longitudinal Strain Story event is live

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  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    I think those are max rewards. I put my MG's with all boosting HG's, ignoring defence. No reason not to. Got under 2 sec for the first rank, and still got 212 iirc. 94/42 also sound about right.

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  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    Rend wrote: »
    What is a good arsmg comp for brute forcing armor? Currently my team does NOT seem very good at it

    Armor is a flat damage decrease that directly subtracts damage from your attacks. Each point of armor negates one point of damage, but at worst the damage total can't be reduced below "1." So for brute forcing through armor, you want quality over quantity. As a starting point you want high FP ARs with self buff skills that boost their FP even higher. Then you want to stack buffs on them to boost the magnitude of their shots higher still. You want your handguns to make them hit harder, you want the handgun's skills to make them hit harder, you want your SMG's tiles to make them hit harder, and you want your fairy to make them hit harder.

    So for ARs, off the top of my head a few great candidates for trying to overpower armor numbers are Groza, 9A-91, and RFB. Keep in mind that stacking FP like this is still an attempt to shove a square peg into a round hole. You're just taking the "gimme a bigger mallet" approach, which works against sufficiently weak armor formations.

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  • OrphaneOrphane rivers of red that run to seaRegistered User regular
    Rend wrote: »
    What is a good arsmg comp for brute forcing armor? Currently my team does NOT seem very good at it

    Firepower buff ARs + an FP buffing HG to punch through armor

    obviously for night battles you want the night royalty (OTs-14 aka Groza, 9A-91) or their alternatives if you don't have them like T91 or ....AS VAL....

    for day Groza can still hang but she won't be as optimal so you'll just want regular FP buffers like G41, G36 mod, RFB

  • chrono_travellerchrono_traveller Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    Woo! First parachute fairy get!

    Also, got *another* P90 ... I have the weirdest luck (still no Vector). There's no particularly strong reason to keep two around, is there?

    I've been trying to work on a night specialist ARSMG echelon, which I think is going to be a backline of Groza, 9A-91, and T91, and a main tank of RO635 (because of the accuracy bonus?), but I have a couple questions:
    1. would subbing out one of the ARs (T91 or 9A-91?) for a support AR like Ribey be better?
    2. would there be a particularly good off tank that would work best? (please don't say Vector :wink: ) Just any molotov SMG?

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  • OrphaneOrphane rivers of red that run to seaRegistered User regular
    Woo! First parachute fairy get!

    Also, got *another* P90 ... I have the weirdest luck (still no Vector). There's no particularly strong reason to keep two around, is there?

    I've been trying to work on a night specialist ARSMG echelon, which I think is going to be a backline of Groza, 9A-91, and T91, and a main tank of RO635 (because of the accuracy bonus?), but I have a couple questions:
    1. would subbing out one of the ARs (T91 or 9A-91?) for a support AR like Ribey be better?
    2. would there be a particularly good off tank that would work best? (please don't say Vector :wink: ) Just any molotov SMG?

    I would drop t91 for a HG in position 4

    A good buff HG is going to be worth more than a 3rd AR because force multipliers baby

  • chrono_travellerchrono_traveller Registered User regular
    How does the accuracy cap and night accuracy penalty work? Does the cap happen before the penalty is applied or after? Would another accuracy buff like Cola's (along with RO's) not help because of the cap?

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  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    I believe that the accuracy modifiers are all multiplicative, so it doesn't matter what order that they're applied. But night battles afflict your units with a 90% reduction which overwhelms whatever positive boosts that you were applying.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    Got my third fairy. An artillery with Crit II talent. No idea if that is any good or not.

    Also 240 gems shorts of getting echelon 8. I know I'll get another 60 tomorrow from the gem card. Trying to figure out where I can eek out another 180 gems. I don't think I could eek out S rank on 7-4E or 8-2. Don't think I have the right setup to get more night maps done because I'm like 6 gold metals short of hitting 80 golds medals, which would give me another 90. Debating if it might be worth doing my first round of defense drills and how far I could get into that with only two fully linked squads. Then of course whether that would result in having enough gems to do what I want do.

    Finally, debating if I should unlock auto battle for 6-4E, since I probably want to get Contender and that might be the best one to auto farm, given that is considered a full S clear of the whole map and 6-4E has 6 bosses. So if I'm understanding things right, that would be 6 chances at Contender per auto battle or 18 rolls after three.

    Edit: Before I forget, don't have Springfield yet, but would she be worth duping if one happens to have a dupe of her special gear or should I use that as enhancement fodder?

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  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    IMO, springfield isn't worth duping. Bamboo rifle teams are too niche.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Already got those.

    guess SOPMOD might actually see a boost on her EOT then because 3 ammo, 3 rations and like 4 parts just isn't worth scrapping a dupe special item for.

    BTW, am I correct assuming that all items will get a calibration max at some point and that's just RNG or are there a few where it's impossible to max out the calibration?

  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    @Mill
    I think auto-battles only give you one diceroll per battle. The bosses don't count.

    It is however one of the best maps to manually battle because of the abundance of bosses to fight. There are some nice farming routes to take that can help streamline your farming. I'm a bit too lazy to make my own video right now, so I'm going to link some resources from "DM's Attic Study" to avoid re-inventing the wheel.

    Paradrop Route (details: http://dmesse.egloos.com/3569241)
    It requires a dummy echelon equipped with an SL10 paradrop fairy, a team capable of going on a rampage through the mobs on the maps and four alchemist fights, and either a team capable of defending your HQ or a friend echelon capable of defending the HQ.

    Here's a very rough look at what the route looks like.

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    Basically you use the paradrop dummy to capture the far right helipad and spawn in your HQ defense team. Then, once captured, spawn in the boss killer team. The boss killer team moves north to capture and resupply at the first enemy helipad, and then goes on a killing spree around the perimeter of the map. Finally the dummy team captures the HQ to finish the map.

    Standard Route (details: http://dmesse.egloos.com/3582808)
    My apologies for not going in depth on this one. I don't like it as much since this one is more of a pain to plug into the route planner. This picture goes over the basics of what's happening, and the more indepth guide can be found at the link above.

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    Mill wrote: »
    BTW, am I correct assuming that all items will get a calibration max at some point and that's just RNG or are there a few where it's impossible to max out the calibration?

    Eventually it maxes out. The combined total always trends upwards. IIRC there's even a pity system where it just defaults to maxing out the gear if you manage to fail to max it within X rolls in one sitting, but I don't remember what the value is.

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  • HadesHades Registered User regular
    It's 22 rolls to get a pity max calibration.

  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Running 3-6 for Aug. Figured I'd check the gold medal req's to see if its worth it to try and get two drop chances. 16 kills, I think I'll just do the quick kill then.

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  • chrono_travellerchrono_traveller Registered User regular
    Is there any current speculation on drop chances for this event? Tried running 6-4E about 4 or 5 times now, no luck on Contender.

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  • OrphaneOrphane rivers of red that run to seaRegistered User regular
    Is there any current speculation on drop chances for this event? Tried running 6-4E about 4 or 5 times now, no luck on Contender.

    uhhh

    the drop chances are definitely going to be such that getting them within 4-5 runs would be extremely lucky even if you're doing all alchemist kills on 6-4E

  • chrono_travellerchrono_traveller Registered User regular
    Orphane wrote: »
    Is there any current speculation on drop chances for this event? Tried running 6-4E about 4 or 5 times now, no luck on Contender.

    uhhh

    the drop chances are definitely going to be such that getting them within 4-5 runs would be extremely lucky even if you're doing all alchemist kills on 6-4E

    I figured it'd be around 1% like other event drops, was just wondering.

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  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    Prepare yourself. It took me ~230 attempts.

    This is from the limited drop for Sei.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    I don't have any of them, so the plan is to try, but I'm prioritizing the ones that can't be obtained first.

    TAC-50 is being semi-prioritized first. I can get a few runs in before I have to repair the first tank and probably could get more in if switch in a 2nd or 3rd tank. Probably a good way to get some levels on M16. Once I have to repair tanks, I just switch to farming for PP-19, since G41 can run that map a few times before needing repairs. AUG will be added once I get one of the others. Then I need to figure out, how I want to go about farming the others. Contender is probably the most useful, but probably the hardest one for me to farm for currently. K5 would probably be a good one, but depending on how things go, probably easier to wait three more days and I'll have an 8th echelon, so can just farm for her in the background, not to mention going to be the overnight farm until I get K5 and might still farm up a few more since I'm at a point where getting dolls to 30 isn't to hard, so save some cores.

    If I manage to get all 6 without being bad off on resources. Should I shoot for duping AUG or Contender?

    Also, I think someone mentioned that new client is confirmed for later this month. So it might be realistic for me to attempt to get into top 50%. Might be enough cores, capsules & combat reports for me to get 2-3 more full echelons fully linked. I already have 10 fully linked dolls, a few around 55-70 and a several in the upper 40s and lower 50s and career quests are going to give me a few leveled and partially linked dolls. So excited about that, but also bummed that I'm no where near the battery needs for the expeditions stuff. Not sure if I should save up and get some token stuff there or keep plugging away at the fairy room.

  • chrono_travellerchrono_traveller Registered User regular
    Just going by the OP, Contender seems worthy of duping, but /shrug

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  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    Mill wrote: »
    I don't have any of them, so the plan is to try, but I'm prioritizing the ones that can't be obtained first.

    TAC-50 is being semi-prioritized first. I can get a few runs in before I have to repair the first tank and probably could get more in if switch in a 2nd or 3rd tank. Probably a good way to get some levels on M16. Once I have to repair tanks, I just switch to farming for PP-19, since G41 can run that map a few times before needing repairs. AUG will be added once I get one of the others. Then I need to figure out, how I want to go about farming the others. Contender is probably the most useful, but probably the hardest one for me to farm for currently. K5 would probably be a good one, but depending on how things go, probably easier to wait three more days and I'll have an 8th echelon, so can just farm for her in the background, not to mention going to be the overnight farm until I get K5 and might still farm up a few more since I'm at a point where getting dolls to 30 isn't to hard, so save some cores.

    If I manage to get all 6 without being bad off on resources. Should I shoot for duping AUG or Contender?

    Also, I think someone mentioned that new client is confirmed for later this month. So it might be realistic for me to attempt to get into top 50%. Might be enough cores, capsules & combat reports for me to get 2-3 more full echelons fully linked. I already have 10 fully linked dolls, a few around 55-70 and a several in the upper 40s and lower 50s and career quests are going to give me a few leveled and partially linked dolls. So excited about that, but also bummed that I'm no where near the battery needs for the expeditions stuff. Not sure if I should save up and get some token stuff there or keep plugging away at the fairy room.

    From previous rescue events, anecdotally the median number of dice rolls to get the rescue drops is 100 rolls.

    Contender is arguably the unit with the highest demand. Several different types of echelons want her. Aug is good, but I don't know if she has really shined as bright as some other dolls. She puts out high dps, but it's through a rof boost which is suboptimal against armor. Her targeting pattern spreads damage, which is suboptimal against swarms that are tough enough to survive a hit. She buffs everyone, but her buffs aren't that potent. So she's really good against unarmored elite targets, or swarms of dinergate type units that die in one hit.


    As for expeditions, don't worry about them. I spent a lot of batteries getting all of the pets and I don't know if it will have been worth the investment. The fairy chamber becomes extremely important once you start utilizing fairies heavily in story events.
    If you don't have any pets, maybe sit on about 1.8k batteries so that you can adopt a few when expeditions drop. I don't know if the Halloween story event's rewards have been spoiled yet. Sometimes they give us pets during events.

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  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Yeah, I should state that my current obsession with farming for Aug first is by no means an implication that she is of higher importance, just that I already have 2 contenders, a k5, and MDR. TAC-50 isn't that exciting since I have Lee/M14 as well as NTW-20/M99 (and Moisin-Nagant/Springfield), so I'm not sure how useful she'd really be. I should probably also aim for PP-19, but I really like Aug's model, so thats what I'm going with.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Well Aug isn't available outside this event and contender is. Couple that with the fact farming 6-4E is a bit of tall order for me right now. It's why I figured I ask. Since I'm going into resource efficient mode on doll crafting, the handgun recipe is seeing a ton of use, so I could always get lucky and she pops there.

    Also Gr G41 is turning into such a great boss bully. She only needs one more level to max and the game was nice enough to give me a gold HV magazine. Even though I did my calibrations for the week, I was like "might as well max that out and through some enhancements on that. Maybe I'll throw another level or two of enhancement on it for good measure.

  • MrGrimoireMrGrimoire Pixflare Registered User regular
    I'm prioritizing Aug for sentimental reasons. From there I'll go for MDR, then PP-19. Once I have those three, I might shoot for a dupe of contender, depends on how fed up with farming i am at that point.

    Leveling my Contender on this event, running a squad of Cisco, Grizzly, Stetchkin Contender and G36 (since I need levels on her) for farming 3-6. Getting in 7-8 runs before Cisco needs to repair.

  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    Well Aug isn't available outside this event and contender is. Couple that with the fact farming 6-4E is a bit of tall order for me right now. It's why I figured I ask. Since I'm going into resource efficient mode on doll crafting, the handgun recipe is seeing a ton of use, so I could always get lucky and she pops there.

    Also Gr G41 is turning into such a great boss bully. She only needs one more level to max and the game was nice enough to give me a gold HV magazine. Even though I did my calibrations for the week, I was like "might as well max that out and through some enhancements on that. Maybe I'll throw another level or two of enhancement on it for good measure.

    I was just saying that if you start fishing for dupes, then contender has higher dupe priority. I wholeheartedly suggest going for the uncraftables first to get your original copies.

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  • RanlinRanlin Oh gosh Registered User regular
    Is there any change in rescue drop chance between normal and emergency missions?

  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    No. The odds are the same. The only reason people run emergency difficulty is for 6-4E because there are so many bosses on the map, so they can chain boss fights back to back.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Well just got PP-19. Five more to go. I'll at least have a few handguns in the mid-50s by the time I get done in all likelihood. Granted, I'm currently using Jericho, Spitfire and P226. Probably should get Gr MK23 in there at some point. With luck Gr G41 will be max level and I'll have another level or two on UMP9 by the time I'm ready to tackle 6-4E. Granted not a ton of added CE, but every little bit helps.

  • chrono_travellerchrono_traveller Registered User regular
    Woo! Just got contender, after about 12ish (I kinda lost count) of runs through 6-4E, which is about 72 rolls, a bit better than the average (which I guess is 100), but I was using the rescue fairy, which may help a bit?

    I think I'll go for AUG next, then TAC-50 (hopefully).

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  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    Whether or not it helps is a matter of some contention. One of the FAQ sessions confirmed that her skill works for rescue events, but there is a sizable pool of players who considers her a placebo. Allegedly, according to an old datamine from what I've heard, a Skill Level 10 rescue fairy boosts the drop rate of 3* units by 50%, 4* by 40%, and 5* by 30%. So the presumed 1% drop rate of the rescue dolls turns into 1.3%. For chasing a 5* unit, that kinda boost can be lost in our small sample sizes. But IMO everything that you can do to stack the deck helps, and the skill's effects really show when farming for cores. Assuming of course that you don't have more pressing needs for your fairy commands.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    Today has been productive, AUG was nice enough to show up after about 20 hunter kills. I guess now it's try to get TAC-50 and I've done like 40 destroyer kills so far. Sadly, it's Russian roulette with her for me. I'll get a few kills where she hardly lands any shots and other times where she'll just wreck my tank on the first attempt after the clear and this is my best tank. Probably, have team two on standby tomorrow and instead of having them do logistics, since I'll need to cycle through tanks. Doesn't help, that I want to save a decent chunk of those up for Contender farming. Luckily, my Scorpion is able to tank Intruder really well, so I can do that while waiting for repairs. I suspect I might end up with MDR before TAC-50. We'll see how K5 stuff goes, probably the last one I farm up. Also I suspect MDR is probably the second most expensive one to farm for because all the mob occupied nodes before intruder. Though pretty sure Contender is the most expensive. If I get lucky before the end of the week, I'll probably go for a contender dupe, if not, I'll just settle for one of each. Pretty sure contender farm might murder my resources for the first one.

    Sad there is no achievement for the first 100 gun we get. The only way for Gr G41 to get better damage now is through enhancing her gold HV ammo and crit scope fully (think both are at either 5 or 6). Exo is only good for evasion, but unless I go farm K5 manually, pretty much done with maps where I can solo farm with Gr G41, which was only 2-6.

    Edit: Before I forget, saw this guide on the farming. https://girlsfrontline.gamepress.gg/should-you-farm-october-rescue-event
    At the top they mention the rescue fairy isn't worth using on the rescue event because ironically it's bugged. It'll help rescue everything else, but not the rescue event dolls. So probably better off with fairy that will either help quickly level stuff you're dragging or interning, cut down on repairs or somehow let you get away with using less resources (I know there are a few that don't work on bosses, but those always come with mobs that aren't immune).

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  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
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  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Aug dropped on my overnight autobattle, so Yay. Now to farm for one of the other unacquirables, I guess.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Yeah, wasn't sure how much stock to put into the guides note on rescue drops and rescue fairy. They do claim in the guide that the event rescue fairies are on a different drop roll than the normal limited drops and that that roll isn't working right with the rescue fairy. Regardless, as you pointed out, at best it looks like the rescue fairy only gets people another .3% and that's only if they bother leveling the rescue fairy's skill to 10, pretty sure that's like one of the last skills anyone would cap given how valuable intermediate data is and the large volume of guns and fairies put together that have far more useful abilities.

    I mean, if I was also looking to add core farming to like say rescue grinds on 4-6, 4-6E, 5-6, 5-6E, 6-6 and 6-6E. Less sure if either end area for chapter three is worth farming for cores on top of a boss rush. I wouldn't pop it for pure sanity saving, since taunt, airstrike and mortar fairies would probably do a better job there in saved repair costs. Probably a few others that might be worth using, but not coming to mind.

    Anyways, got all the non-craftable guns today. TAC-50 took forever to get and MDR (120+ attempts now) is taking even longer and murdering my resource pool. I was going to hold off on getting the first time 300 gem stack, but decided I really wanted my 8th echelon and also was getting annoyed with having to deal with clearing space every 2-3 map clears, sometimes less. Outside of the monthly gem card, don't think any of the other ones are worth it as a first time purchase (still kicking myself for probably not doing the first two buys when I still had bonuses for frontline supplies. I can now just have a team auto farm for K5 because I really don't want to run that map manually. I think if I get MDR tonight, I might work on building up resources tomorrow for making a stab at getting contender, granted, I think I might end over the softcap once logistic roll in, so might not be worth bothering with if I just going to be spending a ton of resources on chasing down a gun (prospects for getting two Contenders is murky at this point).

    On the upside, don't have to deal with destroyer unless we get some sort of event that throws something new on her, since she coughed up the limited drop, FF 249SAW on her (not sure if rare night battle MG is worth raising). Guess now if I need to get the boss hunter weekly done, I can either beat up bosses that still have limited drops that I haven't gotten or just bully Executioner with just Gr G41 and turn that weekly into a nice resource gain. Also apparently I didn't have Makarov until yesterday, who dropped like 3 hunter kills before AUG off of the one pack of mobs before. Also didn't realize AUG's tiles buff all guns.

  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    1-4e can be mostly planned out. Drop your kill team, move them one over, drop a dummy echelon, and then just path to the command node. You'll run over, cap the helipad just long enough to resupply, and take out the boss. Cap the command post and start all over.

    Got PP-19 from auto battle, have them running for TAC-50 because I apparently have way better luck that way.

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  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    Yeah, wasn't sure how much stock to put into the guides note on rescue drops and rescue fairy. They do claim in the guide that the event rescue fairies are on a different drop roll than the normal limited drops and that that roll isn't working right with the rescue fairy. Regardless, as you pointed out, at best it looks like the rescue fairy only gets people another .3% and that's only if they bother leveling the rescue fairy's skill to 10, pretty sure that's like one of the last skills anyone would cap given how valuable intermediate data is and the large volume of guns and fairies put together that have far more useful abilities.

    I mean, if I was also looking to add core farming to like say rescue grinds on 4-6, 4-6E, 5-6, 5-6E, 6-6 and 6-6E. Less sure if either end area for chapter three is worth farming for cores on top of a boss rush. I wouldn't pop it for pure sanity saving, since taunt, airstrike and mortar fairies would probably do a better job there in saved repair costs. Probably a few others that might be worth using, but not coming to mind.

    Anyways, got all the non-craftable guns today. TAC-50 took forever to get and MDR (120+ attempts now) is taking even longer and murdering my resource pool. I was going to hold off on getting the first time 300 gem stack, but decided I really wanted my 8th echelon and also was getting annoyed with having to deal with clearing space every 2-3 map clears, sometimes less. Outside of the monthly gem card, don't think any of the other ones are worth it as a first time purchase (still kicking myself for probably not doing the first two buys when I still had bonuses for frontline supplies. I can now just have a team auto farm for K5 because I really don't want to run that map manually. I think if I get MDR tonight, I might work on building up resources tomorrow for making a stab at getting contender, granted, I think I might end over the softcap once logistic roll in, so might not be worth bothering with if I just going to be spending a ton of resources on chasing down a gun (prospects for getting two Contenders is murky at this point).

    On the upside, don't have to deal with destroyer unless we get some sort of event that throws something new on her, since she coughed up the limited drop, FF 249SAW on her (not sure if rare night battle MG is worth raising). Guess now if I need to get the boss hunter weekly done, I can either beat up bosses that still have limited drops that I haven't gotten or just bully Executioner with just Gr G41 and turn that weekly into a nice resource gain. Also apparently I didn't have Makarov until yesterday, who dropped like 3 hunter kills before AUG off of the one pack of mobs before. Also didn't realize AUG's tiles buff all guns.

    @Mill
    I gonna be frank. I can't completely discount the possibility that there could be a bug. However, here's what I can tell you. There are people who have been trying to bash the rescue fairy from before EN even had fairies. At first they were adamant that the skill literally did nothing and that it was a joke like the pendant that does nothing in Dark Souls. Then that claim was dispelled when people who leveled her up were getting noticeably better 3* drop rates when farming for cores. Then they moved the goalposts to "well it works on drops from mobs, but rescue event drops are special and her skill doesn't interact with that." Then we got clarification in an FAQ session that her skill affects rescue event drops. From where I'm sitting, I think that the goalposts just got moved again to "well it's supposed to work on rescue event drops, but it's bugged and won't be fixed until the new client." There might be evidence or an official statement to back up that claim, but I haven't seen it. I admittedly haven't looked that hard, but I haven't seen it. I also don't have the time to grind out hundreds of rescue drops with and without the rescue fairy to try to conclusively prove one way or another if it works or not.


    I can also tell you that there are a lot of people whose favorite thing is to taunt people who don't have what they have. "Hoxy" is their favorite word and IIRC it traces back to some korean phrase where they haughtily taunt someone for not having a thing. FiveSeven is the original posterchild of the "Hoxy" taunt. They're the sort of people who will gladly stoop to spreading disinfo to try and worsen players' odds and reduce the likelihood of them "Un-hoxying" themselves. They'll give bad advice for the ranking stages to try to hurt people's scores so that they miss out on exclusive loot. Convincing players to ignore a fairy that directly boosts the odds of success is right in their wheelhouse. I wouldn't put it past them to distribute fabricated "translated patch notes."


    The bosses in chapters one through six aren't that hard. If you have echelons with x5 links, then you can probably AFK the fights. You don't need the fairies to win the fights. I think at most one can say that using a different fairy may improve their resource efficiency by increasing the number of runs that they can make before they need to repair. The only fairy that I think seriously will make a big difference is a parachute fairy letting your team skip a bunch of turns by bypassing half the map, which is often the case for chapter 1. While we do want to minimize costs as a good habit, I think at best you'll just be pinching a few pennies. The rescue fairy has some pretty strong passive stats on her, so it's not like she's just deadweight for your team.


    So, in the absence of evidence harder than hearsay, I think that it is still in your best interest to make use of the rescue fairy. Best case she does work and she directly boosts your odds. While the difference between 1% and 1.3% doesn't look like much, it is still a 30% boost which is nothing to laugh at. Worst case is that she doesn't work, and your runs might be a bit less resource efficient. But even then it depends on what you were farming for. When you were bullying Executioner to farm PP-19, did any of the opponents even get an opportunity to shoot back at G41? The end result of high level dolls fighting in early game maps is often the enemies dropping dead before they finish walking onto the field. Using a warrior fairy over the rescue fairy isn't going to improve your efficiency in that case. If maximum penny pinching is the goal, then fielding G41 was the mistake and a handgun should have been fielded instead.

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  • RanlinRanlin Oh gosh Registered User regular
    Dang. While I appreciate the chance to get unavailable / hard to get dolls, this is definitely my least favorite mini event so far. It's the worst part of otherwise good events, distilled :p

    On that note, 200 and counting toward AUG

  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    Ranlin wrote: »
    Dang. While I appreciate the chance to get unavailable / hard to get dolls, this is definitely my least favorite mini event so far. It's the worst part of otherwise good events, distilled :p

    On that note, 200 and counting toward AUG
    I know the feeling, and grinding is never fun. But on the other hand, there are some very good dolls up for grabs right now that are essentially available for free. It's not often that I see other gacha games let us get high tier units this easily. Generally I'd expect an equivalent style event from many other games to be a premium gacha with the units, some quests to give us a few freebie rolls, and then an expectation that we either open our wallets or burn our premium resource stash on the gacha.

    I'm sorry to hear that it's taking you so long for AUG. Statistically she shouldn't evade you much longer. Just to make sure, you are s-ranking the boss fight right? I suspect that you are since AUG is on chapter 3, but if you cut your team too far to the bone to try to lower resource costs and are losing somebody and in turn failing to achieve an s-rank result from the fight, then you're disqualifying yourself from the drop chance.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    I'm not trying to push bad advice and agree that sadly, a ton of people do try to sabotage their fellow players with . I'm just not sure the odds on rescue fairy, really amount to much in the way of sanity saving. .3% is pretty much in the realm of statistical noise, to the point where if the doll someone is after drops, it could have been the fairy or just standard RNG. I'm just looking at this from someone that pretty much needs everything thing, except for a decent echelon. For instance if I had one, I probably only pop it for the dolls on the higher chapters, given how quickly fairy commands can disappear and on those chapters, we know the math that we know for it how the fairy works that it is a decent boost of rare dolls drops and added cores can do wonders for one's sanity on things like this because those are really useful, even if they weren't the original goal, whereas 2* dolls are a dime dozen.

    I'm mainly looking at taunt, airstrike and mortar for something like 6-4E. I'm not too sure, even my two best team setups are quite able to pull that off and see the skill on my taunt fairy as a possible way to take pressure off one echelon, since that's a means to absorb damage, while they pick stuff off. I could see both airstrike and mortar having some uses there for those of us, that might not have echelons strong to really bully 5 alchemists without taking serious hits back. So in a sense, I see the taunt fairy's skill as being a bit more reliable for my needs, since I know exactly what I will get. Where RNG is going to RNG and sometimes that works out great and other times, it sucks. It's why I'm glad I don't have to deal with Destroyer anymore because that fight is like the showcase of how RNG can work.

    I guess in terms of the question that prompted this whole chain of "is popping the rescue fairy skill worth it?" for the rescue drops. Probably should be met with, depends on what your needs and goals are. If someone needs or wants all the rescue dolls because they are new and still need a ton of other things. Probably not worth using the commands when farming K5 & PP-19; especially, if one doesn't want to micro a ton, since planning mode doesn't seem to allow for designating it to activate upon entering specific nodes and then deactivating. Probably totally worth it when farming MDR since that's four fights and all of them can drop 3* dolls, so probably a very decent core farm. Just farming PP-19, don't need cores. Don't mind micro managing or don't care if two fights before the boss eat two of the commands and are capped or about to cap on fairy commands anyways. Sure, why not.

    Honestly, the whole "lol, placebo fairy" meme, seems to show a ton of people don't get statistics and without plotting out the data in some cases, humans are likely to either miss a trend because you need a ton of data to spot it or misinterpret it because they are basing their assumptions on too small a sample size. If it didn't work at all, I don't think the devs would leave be for long. Also given the existence of the gold fairy, I'm inclined to say that if the devs wanted to have a fairy that use fairy commands and did nothing of value, they'd just make a fairy that has a skill like the golden law talent, where it's pretty much up front that it's purely cosmetic.

  • RanlinRanlin Oh gosh Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    Ranlin wrote: »
    Dang. While I appreciate the chance to get unavailable / hard to get dolls, this is definitely my least favorite mini event so far. It's the worst part of otherwise good events, distilled :p

    On that note, 200 and counting toward AUG
    I know the feeling, and grinding is never fun. But on the other hand, there are some very good dolls up for grabs right now that are essentially available for free. It's not often that I see other gacha games let us get high tier units this easily. Generally I'd expect an equivalent style event from many other games to be a premium gacha with the units, some quests to give us a few freebie rolls, and then an expectation that we either open our wallets or burn our premium resource stash on the gacha.

    I'm sorry to hear that it's taking you so long for AUG. Statistically she shouldn't evade you much longer. Just to make sure, you are s-ranking the boss fight right? I suspect that you are since AUG is on chapter 3, but if you cut your team too far to the bone to try to lower resource costs and are losing somebody and in turn failing to achieve an s-rank result from the fight, then you're disqualifying yourself from the drop chance.

    I agree, it's still a net positive given the track record of these types of games, it's just the least fun variant on it. Still better than the common alternative, no question.

    I didn't want to worry too much about cutting it close so I've just been running with a 5HG squad, all x5 90+ with good gear, so yeah, definitely S ranking. Just bad luck, which is certainly more normal for my experience with things, the good luck I had during events so far is waaay outside the norm for me.


    edit: besides, complain and ye shall receive, AUG acquired.

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