For the best, I think. I'd rather a definitive end than stringing along this miserable old horse for however long.
My general rule of thumb is that most good ideas have around 5 seasons of material before they run out of good ideas and start to get shitty. Good writers can stretch that out a bit, but not too much more. I'd rather they end it well than beat a dead horse, as it were.
As much as it fits the narrative of the show just fine there's something kinda suspect about Bojack ending and Tuca and Bertie getting cancelled right after the studio unionized.
As much as it fits the narrative of the show just fine there's something kinda suspect about Bojack ending and Tuca and Bertie getting cancelled right after the studio unionized.
He'd said previously something along the lines of 7-10 years, so maybe it got truncated? 2 part, maybe 2 seasons worth and they couldn't fill it out or the studio axed it?
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Golden YakBurnished BovineThe sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered Userregular
And I'd rather not see them trying to top themselves every season in a show about one person struggling with depression and, frankly, being horrible and harmful to other people. He's already physically assaulted someone in a drug haze and admitted that he might have gone ahead with sleeping with a teenager. Like... if the show keeps going on with business as usual, he's just going to keep hurting others and falling deeper into misery as a result.
I agree, I just hope that the writers got the time, both in terms of number of episodes they need to tie up the story the way they want, and that it wasn't sprung on them when the season was just about written.
I'm fine with it ending, so long as it's allowed to end well.
Tuca and Bertie's problem was that the random bizarreness made it difficult to take the serious parts seriously. Bojack-style sight gags are one thing, but when you have actual plot points being based on things that were never properly set up or even vaguely referenced before and are inherently nonsensical, it makes the entire universe just become arbitrary and difficult to care about, since there's less there to actually get attached to.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
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I think Tuca and Bertie could have been good given enough development. Bojack started out okay but the first season is undeniably the weakest.
But yeah the randomness kind of made it difficult to really latch on to. It felt more [adult swim]my than is my liking these days.
As a dude I found it much harder to identify with Bertie's patriarchy and sexual abuse issues than Bojack's self loathing and search for redemption. I think those are good topics to touch on but half the population is inherently going to be less interested in them.
As a Chicagoan I feel the need to reiterate: suck it, Dubai.
I died a little inside at Diane's reaction to her sandwich. I don't understand why it's so hard for out of towners to just admit that Chicago Italian beef sandwiches are the best sandwiches they've ever tasted.
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Jfc
Todd spoilers?
Was the whole him having a Hispanic last name but constantly failing upwards because hes white thing just a 6 year long joke and we finally got the punchline?
I really love the attention to detail with Carolyn's baby. They get a lot of comedic mileage out of those quills.
Also, her eventual name is a great callback.
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I was watching episode 6, and my fucking internet went out right as Todd was having a powerful character moment!
Noooooooooo!
Edit: okay, I finished it on my phone. Crisis averted.
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I wrapped up the half season on my goddamn phone because I couldn't wait for the internet to return, grumble grumble.
Yup, ended about as devastatingly as one would expect from Bojack.
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I'm really crossing my fingers that this show finishes its hopeful swerve. Bojack is.. getting better. He's doing it! It felt so good to see. "Is this what therapy is?!" All of episode 7 felt very powerful, to the point where you almost want to stop there to get your nice happy ending.
Even little things like the airport bunny barista - old Bojack would have tried to sleep with her, new Bojack ends up pushing her towards Todd. The smash cut fake out with the old hair stylist from the AA meeting. He cleaned Diane's depression apartment! He's making good decisions and it's having a positive effect on his life and the lives of people around him.
And now the Bojack Horseman the Television Series signature "dark turn" looks like it won't, or at least doesn't have to be I hope, the character Bojack horribly fucking up again - the setup now with Hollyhock and the reporter storyline gives us this better person now faced with accepting responsibility for their past mistakes and facing consequences. I don't expect that to be a smooth process, but what an opportunity for the show to set itself apart from the Glorified Broken Man genre that I've always thought it was inaccurately grouped with and that the show itself has frequently explicitly railed against. This is going to be hard for Bojack, bad things are going to happen, but imagine him making it out the other side and actually setting a good example for how to reckon with being a piece of shit instead of the lashing out, doubling down, the denial, the retreating to a toxic right wing comedy tour that we see so often in real life when people are called to account for themselves.
I think this show could really pull off something special if it decides to go out in a hopeful note and I'll be a little disappointed if it opts instead for a super dark gut punch. I don't think it will.
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My general rule of thumb is that most good ideas have around 5 seasons of material before they run out of good ideas and start to get shitty. Good writers can stretch that out a bit, but not too much more. I'd rather they end it well than beat a dead horse, as it were.
He'd said previously something along the lines of 7-10 years, so maybe it got truncated? 2 part, maybe 2 seasons worth and they couldn't fill it out or the studio axed it?
Just pointing out the grey area there and how I wouldn’t be surprised if Netflix pushed for it to end.
From Todd Chavez's voice actor:
Gdi netflix
Go up and/or get out.
I agree, I just hope that the writers got the time, both in terms of number of episodes they need to tie up the story the way they want, and that it wasn't sprung on them when the season was just about written.
I'm fine with it ending, so long as it's allowed to end well.
Same, but "there was nothing we could do" makes it sound like too early indeed.
God I hope they dont end up Game of Thronesing the ending.
I especially enjoy this, because Bojack has the same Netflix user icon that I do.
Todd doesn't have time to watch Netflix, what with all the hijinks.
Todd uses Bojacks profile and watches the same shows but a few episodes ahead and Bojack is eternally lost when he continues watching
God, the gut punches you pick up on during repeat viewings.
"I have half a mind to kiss you with that smart mouth."
"Well that half you can keep."
Oh God, I just noticed Todd's "LATIN KINGS" and "SKINNY HEADS" tattoos.
I thought it was phenomenal and quite possibly better than BoJack
But yeah the randomness kind of made it difficult to really latch on to. It felt more [adult swim]my than is my liking these days.
First episode. Right out of the gate. And it's a episode 6 story. Boom! In your face, no holds barred, they ain't pulling any punches.
I think they mean to destroy us emotionally by the end of it.
Jesus.
I died a little inside at Diane's reaction to her sandwich. I don't understand why it's so hard for out of towners to just admit that Chicago Italian beef sandwiches are the best sandwiches they've ever tasted.
Todd spoilers?
Now I'm anxious about what episode 8 is going to do
Episode 8:
It kind of makes me want to rewatch His Girl Friday
Carolyn's episode was exquisite
She is a goddamn hero.
Also, her eventual name is a great callback.
Judah!
Noooooooooo!
Edit: okay, I finished it on my phone. Crisis averted.
Yup, ended about as devastatingly as one would expect from Bojack.
Even little things like the airport bunny barista - old Bojack would have tried to sleep with her, new Bojack ends up pushing her towards Todd. The smash cut fake out with the old hair stylist from the AA meeting. He cleaned Diane's depression apartment! He's making good decisions and it's having a positive effect on his life and the lives of people around him.
And now the Bojack Horseman the Television Series signature "dark turn" looks like it won't, or at least doesn't have to be I hope, the character Bojack horribly fucking up again - the setup now with Hollyhock and the reporter storyline gives us this better person now faced with accepting responsibility for their past mistakes and facing consequences. I don't expect that to be a smooth process, but what an opportunity for the show to set itself apart from the Glorified Broken Man genre that I've always thought it was inaccurately grouped with and that the show itself has frequently explicitly railed against. This is going to be hard for Bojack, bad things are going to happen, but imagine him making it out the other side and actually setting a good example for how to reckon with being a piece of shit instead of the lashing out, doubling down, the denial, the retreating to a toxic right wing comedy tour that we see so often in real life when people are called to account for themselves.
I think this show could really pull off something special if it decides to go out in a hopeful note and I'll be a little disappointed if it opts instead for a super dark gut punch. I don't think it will.
also this half-season was extremely funny