I wouldn't take that release date as gospel. The system for store pages seem to require a date to put the page up. They posted false dates for the last book.
I wouldn't take that release date as gospel. The system for store pages seem to require a date to put the page up. They posted false dates for the last book.
As someone that works ecommerce I'd put money down that yeah release date is a required data point.
Also I might need a reread on this series which feels daunting for some reason. Though I might not do one just to see if butcher made it approachable without one.
Part of me is eager to finally get this, part is kind of tempted to wait until it’s in paperback or maybe the next one is in the editor’s hands. Basically, cut down the next wait by letting this lengthy one drag out a bit.
Yeah yeah, has his own space finally, etc. I still don’t think we’re going to see the annual releases like he had going, which means 2022 might be optimistic for the next one showing up.
Maybe it won’t be all that bad, I never expected a 6 year wait between books either.
You have a local library, right? That's my plan until the paperback comes out
I may re-read them myself. Or at least the last book.
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I typically reread the two previous ones before a new Dresden Files hits. Which will be a delight going into Peace Talks, because Cold Days and Skin Game are 2 of my favorites (along with White Knight, Death Masks and Changes).
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Part of me is eager to finally get this, part is kind of tempted to wait until it’s in paperback or maybe the next one is in the editor’s hands. Basically, cut down the next wait by letting this lengthy one drag out a bit.
Yeah yeah, has his own space finally, etc. I still don’t think we’re going to see the annual releases like he had going, which means 2022 might be optimistic for the next one showing up.
Maybe it won’t be all that bad, I never expected a 6 year wait between books either.
You have a local library, right? That's my plan until the paperback comes out
Procuring one isn't the problem. I have and will likely continue to buy hardcovers.
It's the 'omg I got it and devoured it within hours of owning it, so, when's the next one, what do you mean it's 2+ years away?' element I'm considering.
Like, if Butcher has found his groove and is comfy in his own space, and knocks out another within a year, awesome. But between his other series and short story compilations and work on other aspects, consider me a little wary of my natural inclination to exacerbate my own wait, as it were.
Realistically, yeah, I'll probably have it at release, but I guess I'm still working through some stuff. And while it's great that he's gotten married and has his new house and all that, who knows what the next 6, 12, 18+ months might bring to put continuing the saga on the backburner.
Not trying to rain on the parade, perhaps I'm just projecting somewhat from the years and years of waiting, and suspecting it'll be years more to come. I keep coming back to Butcher himself saying he envisioned 20'ish case files books and an 'apocalyptic trilogy' to capstone things. Another ~7 books could be a decade or two even at fairly regular pace without any major life or story snags.
At a time I should be happy we're finally getting a continuation, we've been waiting long enough maybe I'm a bit reluctant to fully embrace that enthusiasm once more. It is fraught with peril and likely to lead to frustration. Not to mention the concern that, like so many things over the years, all that waiting and engagement may or may not be wrapped up well in the ending. When might it end, and will that end even be what fans/I want?
Eh, I guess we'll see in time.
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I'm pondering a reread from Summer Knight and onwards. The first three books are so much rougher than the rest they can be tough to get through for me.
I'm pondering a reread from Summer Knight and onwards. The first three books are so much rougher than the rest they can be tough to get through for me.
I can understand the sentiment, but isn't the party in Grave Peril supposed to be the secret linchpin to the entire series?
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Ah I don't even remember that. I'll probably need to do a full reread. I remember only really struggling with the second book. First one was good enough to get me to read the second unprompted and the third one I rather liked.
I'm pondering a reread from Summer Knight and onwards. The first three books are so much rougher than the rest they can be tough to get through for me.
I can understand the sentiment, but isn't the party in Grave Peril supposed to be the secret linchpin to the entire series?
That is true, and Grave Peril is decent as well. Probably worth starting with considering how the fallout from that book shapes the series in general.
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It could be just that I've read it more recently but I really want more Aeronaut's Windlass as well.
Don't forget how eminently readable Butcher is. I think it's one of his greatest strengths as a writer.
But yes my own rereads also skip the first two.
It had been so long since I'd read the first two that I'd relegated them (especially Fool Moon) to the category of "not that great, before he really hit his stride".
Re-reading them this year, I was reminded just how engaging even Butcher's bottom-tier stuff is. One of those "bad for him is still very good" situations.
I pretty much only want Dresden Files from Butcher. I've tried his other stuff and it just doesn't work for me, especially Codex. I can appreciate its hilarious origins as a monumental "challenge accepted" but it's just bleh.
I pretty much only want Dresden Files from Butcher. I've tried his other stuff and it just doesn't work for me, especially Codex. I can appreciate its hilarious origins as a monumental "challenge accepted" but it's just bleh.
I recently reread Alera and I could not disagree more.
It might even beat our the Dresden Files as my favorite series.
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I've enjoyed all three series, but fell off at the end of Codex on my first attempt at a reread. Aeronaut's Windlass left me really wanting to know what happens next, and wanting to know more about that world in general.
Don't forget how eminently readable Butcher is. I think it's one of his greatest strengths as a writer.
But yes my own rereads also skip the first two.
It had been so long since I'd read the first two that I'd relegated them (especially Fool Moon) to the category of "not that great, before he really hit his stride".
Re-reading them this year, I was reminded just how engaging even Butcher's bottom-tier stuff is. One of those "bad for him is still very good" situations.
They are solid, sure. But especially Fool Moon is very below the quality of the rest of the series.
Fool Moon is definitely the weakest. Storm Front is Butcher's first novel and it shows, but it's also pretty tight, actually. Fool Moon retreads the same emotional space wrt Murph and Dresden and so is just not very interesting.
Grave Peril is definitely worth hitting on a re-read because between Michael, the party, and Lea, it's essentially the start of the actually throughline narrative of the series.
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I may have talked about this before, but the mentions on this page of Butcher's other series reminded me of my last reread of Codex Alera
Now to start off, I only reread 1, 3, and 4 because I'm tired of zombies and the Vord are just "our zombies are different", but I really enjoy the Canim, so I kept that half of the series and reread them every 18 months or so
Except this last time I got to book four and suddenly could not view Tavi as a heroic protagonist
Book four has the Evil Senator leading a needless campaign against the Canim that kills thousands on both sides. Tavi tries to mitigate the damage but is sidelined by Evil Senator at the beginning of the campaign, in part because Evil Senator orders Tavj to execute an entire town's worth of civilians as enemy combatants and Tavi refuses. Tavi then goes off to find another way to stop the bloodshed but doesn't succeed until the Aleran forces are all but slaughtered by the Canim in a trap.
My big problem with this is the big arc of the story is Tavi's reveal as the crown prince and his emphasis on doing things the "legal" way to ensure he doesn't stain his future legacy just doesn't work for me anymore. Tavi cared more about what was legal than what was right and thousands of Aleran soldiers, civilians, and Canim combatants died for his refusal to deal with the problem directly. Evil Senator should've been killed (which the setting has legal duels for!) and Tavi could've dealt with the legal consequences of that.
It was at this point when I realized how I had been radicalized after 2016, which gave me pause. But I still can't go back to the book because I truly believe Tavi does the wrong thing for the worst reasons.
Edit: I guess there is potential spoilers there but the stuff that is revealed aren't anything you wouldn't be aware of if you were up to date on the books or had read the title of the new book.
So, this isn’t book news just something really cool. My girlfriend recently gave me some Dresden Files related items - a blanket and a shower curtain to be exact. I hadn’t even realized these were even a thing, but I really love that it’s the ad from the Chicago Yellow Pages and the Bob quote is great. Though Bob hanging out on a shower curtain is a bit on the nose.
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As someone that works ecommerce I'd put money down that yeah release date is a required data point.
Also I might need a reread on this series which feels daunting for some reason. Though I might not do one just to see if butcher made it approachable without one.
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Procuring one isn't the problem. I have and will likely continue to buy hardcovers.
It's the 'omg I got it and devoured it within hours of owning it, so, when's the next one, what do you mean it's 2+ years away?' element I'm considering.
Like, if Butcher has found his groove and is comfy in his own space, and knocks out another within a year, awesome. But between his other series and short story compilations and work on other aspects, consider me a little wary of my natural inclination to exacerbate my own wait, as it were.
Realistically, yeah, I'll probably have it at release, but I guess I'm still working through some stuff. And while it's great that he's gotten married and has his new house and all that, who knows what the next 6, 12, 18+ months might bring to put continuing the saga on the backburner.
Not trying to rain on the parade, perhaps I'm just projecting somewhat from the years and years of waiting, and suspecting it'll be years more to come. I keep coming back to Butcher himself saying he envisioned 20'ish case files books and an 'apocalyptic trilogy' to capstone things. Another ~7 books could be a decade or two even at fairly regular pace without any major life or story snags.
At a time I should be happy we're finally getting a continuation, we've been waiting long enough maybe I'm a bit reluctant to fully embrace that enthusiasm once more. It is fraught with peril and likely to lead to frustration. Not to mention the concern that, like so many things over the years, all that waiting and engagement may or may not be wrapped up well in the ending. When might it end, and will that end even be what fans/I want?
Eh, I guess we'll see in time.
I can understand the sentiment, but isn't the party in Grave Peril supposed to be the secret linchpin to the entire series?
But yes my own rereads also skip the first two.
That is true, and Grave Peril is decent as well. Probably worth starting with considering how the fallout from that book shapes the series in general.
It had been so long since I'd read the first two that I'd relegated them (especially Fool Moon) to the category of "not that great, before he really hit his stride".
Re-reading them this year, I was reminded just how engaging even Butcher's bottom-tier stuff is. One of those "bad for him is still very good" situations.
I recently reread Alera and I could not disagree more.
It might even beat our the Dresden Files as my favorite series.
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Can't wait for more Dresden, and more Aeronaut's.
They are solid, sure. But especially Fool Moon is very below the quality of the rest of the series.
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Grave Peril is definitely worth hitting on a re-read because between Michael, the party, and Lea, it's essentially the start of the actually throughline narrative of the series.
That’s not how you spell “the Alphas”
But yes. Fool Moon isn’t that great on the whole, but I still like it for the same reasons listed.
Updated the OP.
Now to start off, I only reread 1, 3, and 4 because I'm tired of zombies and the Vord are just "our zombies are different", but I really enjoy the Canim, so I kept that half of the series and reread them every 18 months or so
Except this last time I got to book four and suddenly could not view Tavi as a heroic protagonist
My big problem with this is the big arc of the story is Tavi's reveal as the crown prince and his emphasis on doing things the "legal" way to ensure he doesn't stain his future legacy just doesn't work for me anymore. Tavi cared more about what was legal than what was right and thousands of Aleran soldiers, civilians, and Canim combatants died for his refusal to deal with the problem directly. Evil Senator should've been killed (which the setting has legal duels for!) and Tavi could've dealt with the legal consequences of that.
It was at this point when I realized how I had been radicalized after 2016, which gave me pause. But I still can't go back to the book because I truly believe Tavi does the wrong thing for the worst reasons.
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Edit: I guess there is potential spoilers there but the stuff that is revealed aren't anything you wouldn't be aware of if you were up to date on the books or had read the title of the new book.
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Does she know aikido and/or have handcuffs?
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But enough about how to spice up Valentine’s Day...
She has learned a little of martial arts funnily enough. Haven’t asked about handcuffs though. Lol
Well, I can think of one main character besides Dresden who survives for sure...
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On the other hand it seems being the only normal one is Murph's thing. She better make it out. Who are you referencing, Polaritie?