It's why for example it annoys me still that most British actors in non-British media are almost always vair vair well spoken.
Good thing about Game of Thrones, it largely featured northern accents, in an international bit of media. You don't usually get that.
You can thank the BBC for that. Going back to the inception of radio, they required all presenters to practice "received pronunciation" in broadcasts. It filtered down into all forms of media. Pretty much anyone from the UK you see on TV, in movies or hear on the radio uses received pronunciation because it's just the way things are done. It's only in the last decade that RP's stranglehold on popular media has waned. It's becoming more common for regional presenters to preserve their regional accents. You can thank GoT for bringing regional accents into popular consciousness.
Well I can certainly blame them for that policy, and do, but it's certainly a policy which is reflective of wider discrimination in British society. Less so now, to an extent, but how many Scousers, Geordies and Brummies get written off because of their accent still? A lot, I bet.
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Same thing happens everywhere. In America all major news anchors have the same accent. Southern accents connote ignorance. Etc.
Same thing happens everywhere. In America all major news anchors have the same accent. Southern accents connote ignorance. Etc.
To the point that Southern Fried Genius - a person who's an exception to that general assumption - is itself a trope.
"Whoa, this guy sounds like a hick but he's actually smart."
Same thing happens everywhere. In America all major news anchors have the same accent. Southern accents connote ignorance. Etc.
I'm reminded of Irish accents being analogous (with the addition of being drunkards)...especially in Star Trek.
See: TNG episode "Up the Long Ladder"
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As someone from the US south, southern accents actually do generally denote people of lower education levels. I don't think I've met anyone with an Appalachian hillbilly accent that wasn't an ignorant savage.
As someone from the US south, southern accents actually do generally denote people of lower education levels. I don't think I've met anyone with an Appalachian hillbilly accent that wasn't an ignorant savage.
Probably because they have never left the Appalachia's and as such have never been exposed to any other accent in their daily life.
I myself usually speak with a English accent when I speak English, but when I was in New York last spring. I apparently switched to a generic american Accent. I had to explain that I was from Europe several times.
Its probably because my initial learning was focused on RP accents, while much of my exposure to English was through American Movies
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
Sympathetic accents are also fascinating, though I worry I'm insulting someone sounding like I'm putting it on.
I picked up some Scottish from only being in Edinburgh and the highlands for a week
When my coworkers come up from the southern US my western Canadian drawl would get worse, and I still have a 50/50 chance calling it pop (right) or soda.
And if I spend a significant amount of time around newfies...
Edit: I wonder if this comes from a working-class background. Most of the men in my family are blue collar. When I'm working in an office or professional environment I seem to subconsciously change my speech and presentation to fit. When I'm out in the shops my accent gets much more...Canadian...rural Albertan...
I knew Minnesotans had an accent. Back when I was in high school, I did a play where they had me learn a minnesotan accent for the character I was playing, but I always assumed it was being exaggerated/embellished for the sake of the play. I've recently traveled to Minnesota many times for work recently.
It was not embellished.
I spent most of the drive back from that trip saying random things in a heavy Minnesotan accent just to get it out of my system.
Sympathetic accents are also fascinating, though I worry I'm insulting someone sounding like I'm putting it on.
I picked up some Scottish from only being in Edinburgh and the highlands for a week
When my coworkers come up from the southern US my western Canadian drawl would get worse, and I still have a 50/50 chance calling it pop (right) or soda.
And if I spend a significant amount of time around newfies...
Edit: I wonder if this comes from a working-class background. Most of the men in my family are blue collar. When I'm working in an office or professional environment I seem to subconsciously change my speech and presentation to fit. When I'm out in the shops my accent gets much more...Canadian...rural Albertan...
While I don't have a particularly thick Atlantic Canadian accent, I've found that I have even less of one if I'm dealing with people from other parts of the country for a while. Then it comes right back as soon as I run into a fellow Maritimer.
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I know this is hardly related to the subject at hand, but
DId you know that Arnold Schwarzenegger can speak perfect english and only keeps his fake Austrian accent because fans expect it?
I read an article a while back that goes into a lot more detail but I can't find it now. The story goes that his accent in Hercules in New York was so think and unintelligible that they had to redub his lines with another actor. This led him to sitting down with a voice coach to come up with an accent that was distinctive but intangible. Thus the Arnie accent was born. It was developed and improved over the years but has never been his true Austrian accent. From what I understand his native accent was akin to Austrian hillbilly and had to be re-dubbed for some local releases of other movies.
Same thing happens everywhere. In America all major news anchors have the same accent. Southern accents connote ignorance. Etc.
Though weirdly the accent they landed on is from Nebraska and not like, New England or something.
I see the logic; what's the fairest region to pick an accent from when presenting to the entire geographical area? The geographical center, I guess!
Oh totally, and it is as far these things go, a 'neutral' accent. Just funny when talking about trying to avoid the country simpleton image to pull an accent from the middle of farm country.
Same thing happens everywhere. In America all major news anchors have the same accent. Southern accents connote ignorance. Etc.
Though weirdly the accent they landed on is from Nebraska and not like, New England or something.
I see the logic; what's the fairest region to pick an accent from when presenting to the entire geographical area? The geographical center, I guess!
Oh totally, and it is as far these things go, a 'neutral' accent. Just funny when talking about trying to avoid the country simpleton image to pull an accent from the middle of farm country.
It doesn't sound like it's an accent is the reason it's so widespread afaik. It's from a pretty wide geographical region, is fairly neutral and isn't associated with hick stereotypes the way other regional accents are.
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As someone from the US south, southern accents actually do generally denote people of lower education levels. I don't think I've met anyone with an Appalachian hillbilly accent that wasn't an ignorant savage.
Jesus Christ, dude
I'll make sure to tell my kind, successful, doctorate-holding brother-in-law that he's an "ignorant savage" the next time I see him
As someone from the US south, southern accents actually do generally denote people of lower education levels. I don't think I've met anyone with an Appalachian hillbilly accent that wasn't an ignorant savage.
As someone with a strong southern accent and a Master in Mechanical Engineering this is rather offensive. Ya'll.
As someone from the US south, southern accents actually do generally denote people of lower education levels. I don't think I've met anyone with an Appalachian hillbilly accent that wasn't an ignorant savage.
As someone with a strong southern accent and a Master in Mechanical Engineering this is rather offensive. Ya'll.
So you're saying you solve practical problems?
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As someone from the US south, southern accents actually do generally denote people of lower education levels. I don't think I've met anyone with an Appalachian hillbilly accent that wasn't an ignorant savage.
Jesus Christ, dude
I'll make sure to tell my kind, successful, doctorate-holding brother-in-law that he's an "ignorant savage" the next time I see him
Yeah, I spent enough time in the south to pick up some southern accent. I'll make sure to remind myself I'm actually an idiot the next time I'm putting down my Masters degree in molecular biology on an application.
As someone from the US south, southern accents actually do generally denote people of lower education levels. I don't think I've met anyone with an Appalachian hillbilly accent that wasn't an ignorant savage.
Not to be too melodramatic, but this post is why we will not be achieving Star Trek in our lifetimes. Classism is still too much fun for people to feel better about themselves.
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"That greenblooded sonuvabitch. This is his revenge for all those arguments he lost."
that line got a huge guffaw from my friends the other week.
The characterization in III is super on point. If the plot was just tighter and the filmmaking better it'd be up there with 2, 4, and 6. But the relationships are as good as they've ever been.
As someone from the US south, southern accents actually do generally denote people of lower education levels. I don't think I've met anyone with an Appalachian hillbilly accent that wasn't an ignorant savage.
Not to be too melodramatic, but this post is why we will not be achieving Star Trek in our lifetimes. Classism is still too much fun for people to feel better about themselves.
I mean, we're good on our way to the Bell Riots at least
Yeah, the thing to remember about the Star Trek future is that we've still got a World War (and "post-atomic terror") to get through before we finally get our shit together and the Vulcans show up.
Yeah, the thing to remember about the Star Trek future is that we've still got a World War (and "post-atomic terror") to get through before we finally get our shit together and the Vulcans show up.
heck yeah, let's build experimental spacecraft in the ruins of an abandoned nuclear silo as we live in the woods, cause everyplace else is too damn radiated for habitable life!
Think of how many cheap amphetamines we'll be able to get during the war, though!
Huh, I guess it starts in 2026?
Man we really are right on track then.
Star Trek is real, and we only know about it because during one of the time travel episodes they left behind a case of punch-cards with the Brief History of Mankind on it.
Okay I'm rapidly running out of the real good TNG episodes and we're gonna move soon to DS9
Thing is I'm not nearly as familiar with DS9 as I am with TNG. With there being a more linear overall narrative structure with the dominion war and stuff, I can't just hop around across the entire series. Is there a cheat sheer out there, like a recommended viewing for DS9 by season?
I'm not sure there's really a lot of DS9 episodes worth skipping. Honestly the show is pretty consistent in quality for the most part. A small handful of stinkers, some episodes that are kinda dull and not that great, a ton that are really solid well done episodes and then a good number of really great episodes. Sorta like the better seasons of TNG, but for the whole run.
As someone from the US south, southern accents actually do generally denote people of lower education levels. I don't think I've met anyone with an Appalachian hillbilly accent that wasn't an ignorant savage.
Not to be too melodramatic, but this post is why we will not be achieving Star Trek in our lifetimes. Classism is still too much fun for people to feel better about themselves.
I mean, we're good on our way to the Bell Riots at least
That episode is fascinating to watch now because it really kinda nails so much dead on but is also so absolutely stuck in the early 90s. The problem at hand being jobless and homeless people is very of it's time. But do a palette swap for refugee/immigrant/non-white and it's basically dead on in the broad strokes.
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Well I can certainly blame them for that policy, and do, but it's certainly a policy which is reflective of wider discrimination in British society. Less so now, to an extent, but how many Scousers, Geordies and Brummies get written off because of their accent still? A lot, I bet.
To the point that Southern Fried Genius - a person who's an exception to that general assumption - is itself a trope.
"Whoa, this guy sounds like a hick but he's actually smart."
I'm reminded of Irish accents being analogous (with the addition of being drunkards)...especially in Star Trek.
See: TNG episode "Up the Long Ladder"
Probably because they have never left the Appalachia's and as such have never been exposed to any other accent in their daily life.
I myself usually speak with a English accent when I speak English, but when I was in New York last spring. I apparently switched to a generic american Accent. I had to explain that I was from Europe several times.
Its probably because my initial learning was focused on RP accents, while much of my exposure to English was through American Movies
I picked up some Scottish from only being in Edinburgh and the highlands for a week
When my coworkers come up from the southern US my western Canadian drawl would get worse, and I still have a 50/50 chance calling it pop (right) or soda.
And if I spend a significant amount of time around newfies...
Edit: I wonder if this comes from a working-class background. Most of the men in my family are blue collar. When I'm working in an office or professional environment I seem to subconsciously change my speech and presentation to fit. When I'm out in the shops my accent gets much more...Canadian...rural Albertan...
I never finish anyth
It was not embellished.
I spent most of the drive back from that trip saying random things in a heavy Minnesotan accent just to get it out of my system.
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While I don't have a particularly thick Atlantic Canadian accent, I've found that I have even less of one if I'm dealing with people from other parts of the country for a while. Then it comes right back as soon as I run into a fellow Maritimer.
DId you know that Arnold Schwarzenegger can speak perfect english and only keeps his fake Austrian accent because fans expect it?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3141778/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-reveals-speak-perfect-English-keeps-talking-accent-fans-expect-it.html
I read an article a while back that goes into a lot more detail but I can't find it now. The story goes that his accent in Hercules in New York was so think and unintelligible that they had to redub his lines with another actor. This led him to sitting down with a voice coach to come up with an accent that was distinctive but intangible. Thus the Arnie accent was born. It was developed and improved over the years but has never been his true Austrian accent. From what I understand his native accent was akin to Austrian hillbilly and had to be re-dubbed for some local releases of other movies.
Though weirdly the accent they landed on is from Nebraska and not like, New England or something.
I see the logic; what's the fairest region to pick an accent from when presenting to the entire geographical area? The geographical center, I guess!
Oh totally, and it is as far these things go, a 'neutral' accent. Just funny when talking about trying to avoid the country simpleton image to pull an accent from the middle of farm country.
It doesn't sound like it's an accent is the reason it's so widespread afaik. It's from a pretty wide geographical region, is fairly neutral and isn't associated with hick stereotypes the way other regional accents are.
Jesus Christ, dude
I'll make sure to tell my kind, successful, doctorate-holding brother-in-law that he's an "ignorant savage" the next time I see him
As someone with a strong southern accent and a Master in Mechanical Engineering this is rather offensive. Ya'll.
So you're saying you solve practical problems?
Yeah, I spent enough time in the south to pick up some southern accent. I'll make sure to remind myself I'm actually an idiot the next time I'm putting down my Masters degree in molecular biology on an application.
that line got a huge guffaw from my friends the other week.
The characterization in III is super on point. If the plot was just tighter and the filmmaking better it'd be up there with 2, 4, and 6. But the relationships are as good as they've ever been.
I mean, we're good on our way to the Bell Riots at least
heck yeah, let's build experimental spacecraft in the ruins of an abandoned nuclear silo as we live in the woods, cause everyplace else is too damn radiated for habitable life!
Huh, I guess it starts in 2026?
Man we really are right on track then.
Star Trek is real, and we only know about it because during one of the time travel episodes they left behind a case of punch-cards with the Brief History of Mankind on it.
Thing is I'm not nearly as familiar with DS9 as I am with TNG. With there being a more linear overall narrative structure with the dominion war and stuff, I can't just hop around across the entire series. Is there a cheat sheer out there, like a recommended viewing for DS9 by season?
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Skip:
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Alamarain count to four
Alamarain now three more
Alamarain if you can see
Alamarain then come with me!
That episode is fascinating to watch now because it really kinda nails so much dead on but is also so absolutely stuck in the early 90s. The problem at hand being jobless and homeless people is very of it's time. But do a palette swap for refugee/immigrant/non-white and it's basically dead on in the broad strokes.
Plus of course, not long after I watch it this fucking news hits:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/12/trump-officials-tour-unused-faa-facility-california-search-place-relocate-homeless-people/ And I'm like "Fucking seriously reality?!?!?!"
Also skip "Let He Who Is Without Sin..."
Where the fuck did they dump that Universe!?
They just took it to the other side of the wormhole and were like “Not our problem!” And left it in the gamma quadrant!!??
You don’t just illegally dump a fucking life-bearing Universe!!
ha HA, baby in a dumpster!
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spoiler for later seasons:
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
At least this time he's shit and everyone treats him like it.
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I think it's because the characters are aware of the possibility, but aren't counting on it, and that sometimes, it doesn't work out in their favor.