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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
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    Crystal, SilverWind, and I made a better Zelda timeline.

    It's a beefy document—the first draft would have been twice as long or more—but I hope it's fun enough to read.

    You can find a long-form table on page 61 if you just want bullet points

    but where does zelda monopoly fit in?

    We kept the timeline down to addressing only the canonical Zelda games; the cartoon, Game and Watch titles, Monopoly set, Link's Crossbow Training, CD-i games, and Japanese audio dramas were not included

    Crystal did argue to have the cartoon counted as canon but there were just too many conflicts with the rest of the setting as we'd come to understand it

    well excuse me, wyborn

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    A question about Nintendo Switch and region locking. I know carts aren't region locked. But lets say I live in the USA, and I want to send a gift to someone in the UK or even Russia, if I send a digital game code or a digital Nintendo currency code, will they work for someone who lives in not the USA?

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    Bucketman wrote: »
    A question about Nintendo Switch and region locking. I know carts aren't region locked. But lets say I live in the USA, and I want to send a gift to someone in the UK or even Russia, if I send a digital game code or a digital Nintendo currency code, will they work for someone who lives in not the USA?

    I don't think digital codes will work, physical ones should though. If you wanted to do digital, it'd have to be for their region.

    I think theoretically, they could create a eshop account in the NA region to redeem anything you got them, but I don't have much experience with that. I know people have done that to get Japan only eshop demos and games and stuff.

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    Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    Okay but where does Cadence of Hyrule belong on the Zelda timeline?

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    SilverWindSilverWind Registered User regular
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    Okay but where does Cadence of Hyrule belong on the Zelda timeline?

    I'm willing to tentatively stick it as a branchoff on the timeline where Link killed Demise, sort of concurrent with Four Swords Adventures (and therefore being the first instance of Ganondorf showing up in the branch, much like in FSA). I wonder if we can stick the rest of the spinoffs there too...? But we'll need to convene on these at some point

    A good rule of thumb we used is whether the game's title included "The Legend of Zelda" in it. Which works mostly only that would knock out Adventure of Link, funnily enough

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    WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    I still think that our idea for how the timelines merge leading up to Breath of the Wild is pretty cleanly explained, in that we explained it at all

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    PerrsunPerrsun Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Bucketman wrote: »
    A question about Nintendo Switch and region locking. I know carts aren't region locked. But lets say I live in the USA, and I want to send a gift to someone in the UK or even Russia, if I send a digital game code or a digital Nintendo currency code, will they work for someone who lives in not the USA?

    I don't think digital codes will work, physical ones should though. If you wanted to do digital, it'd have to be for their region.

    I think theoretically, they could create a eshop account in the NA region to redeem anything you got them, but I don't have much experience with that. I know people have done that to get Japan only eshop demos and games and stuff.

    I have... a bit of experience with this, but I won't purport to know everything for 100% certain.

    Currency stays in the region it was purchased for. Yes, they could switch the region on their account, use the code/make the purchase and then switch back. Possible hassles to this method are: You can't keep money on your account when switching regions (so if you had 5₽ on your account and switched to NA, you'd lose that 5₽) and if there's any balance left over you'd need to pay that in the local currency (so if you give somebody $50 and they want to buy a $60 game, hopefully they have a credit card without foreign transaction fees).

    And yes, they could also just make a NA region account. The original account will still be able to play the game the "foreign" account bought. As Naphtali said, this is a common trick people use for getting content/games/demos not available in the home region. This is the part where I'm not 100% certain on any possible complications that may arise in the future, since I personally do the region-switch on my own account when I need to get something from another country.

    Those same complications would apply to a digital code for the game as well, but because they won't have to worry about paying for any extra balance (or wasting any leftover money if they buy something for less than the value of the money given) I feel like code-for-a-game is the better option.

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Perrsun wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Bucketman wrote: »
    A question about Nintendo Switch and region locking. I know carts aren't region locked. But lets say I live in the USA, and I want to send a gift to someone in the UK or even Russia, if I send a digital game code or a digital Nintendo currency code, will they work for someone who lives in not the USA?

    I don't think digital codes will work, physical ones should though. If you wanted to do digital, it'd have to be for their region.

    I think theoretically, they could create a eshop account in the NA region to redeem anything you got them, but I don't have much experience with that. I know people have done that to get Japan only eshop demos and games and stuff.

    I have... a bit of experience with this, but I won't purport to know everything for 100% certain.

    Currency stays in the region it was purchased for. Yes, they could switch the region on their account, use the code/make the purchase and then switch back. Possible hassles to this method are: You can't keep money on your account when switching regions (so if you had 5₽ on your account and switched to NA, you'd lose that 5₽) and if there's any balance left over you'd need to pay that in the local currency (so if you give somebody $50 and they want to buy a $60 game, hopefully they have a credit card without foreign transaction fees).

    And yes, they could also just make a NA region account. The original account will still be able to play the game the "foreign" account bought. As Naphtali said, this is a common trick people use for getting content/games/demos not available in the home region. This is the part where I'm not 100% certain on any possible complications that may arise in the future, since I personally do the region-switch on my own account when I need to get something from another country.

    Those same complications would apply to a digital code for the game as well, but because they won't have to worry about paying for any extra balance (or wasting any leftover money if they buy something for less than the value of the money given) I feel like code-for-a-game is the better option.

    I did some digging and according to people on Reddit (I know Reddit sucks), you have to region swap to use the game code itself, but once its on your account/system, you can swap back to your normal account. So UK person and use a Canadian code, download the game, then the game is on their system so it doesn't matter what account is logged in. I may experiment with this a bit.

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    PerrsunPerrsun Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Bucketman wrote: »
    Perrsun wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Bucketman wrote: »
    A question about Nintendo Switch and region locking. I know carts aren't region locked. But lets say I live in the USA, and I want to send a gift to someone in the UK or even Russia, if I send a digital game code or a digital Nintendo currency code, will they work for someone who lives in not the USA?

    I don't think digital codes will work, physical ones should though. If you wanted to do digital, it'd have to be for their region.

    I think theoretically, they could create a eshop account in the NA region to redeem anything you got them, but I don't have much experience with that. I know people have done that to get Japan only eshop demos and games and stuff.

    I have... a bit of experience with this, but I won't purport to know everything for 100% certain.

    Currency stays in the region it was purchased for. Yes, they could switch the region on their account, use the code/make the purchase and then switch back. Possible hassles to this method are: You can't keep money on your account when switching regions (so if you had 5₽ on your account and switched to NA, you'd lose that 5₽) and if there's any balance left over you'd need to pay that in the local currency (so if you give somebody $50 and they want to buy a $60 game, hopefully they have a credit card without foreign transaction fees).

    And yes, they could also just make a NA region account. The original account will still be able to play the game the "foreign" account bought. As Naphtali said, this is a common trick people use for getting content/games/demos not available in the home region. This is the part where I'm not 100% certain on any possible complications that may arise in the future, since I personally do the region-switch on my own account when I need to get something from another country.

    Those same complications would apply to a digital code for the game as well, but because they won't have to worry about paying for any extra balance (or wasting any leftover money if they buy something for less than the value of the money given) I feel like code-for-a-game is the better option.

    I did some digging and according to people on Reddit (I know Reddit sucks), you have to region swap to use the game code itself, but once its on your account/system, you can swap back to your normal account. So UK person and use a Canadian code, download the game, then the game is on their system so it doesn't matter what account is logged in. I may experiment with this a bit.

    Yes, that is correct. As I mentioned though, they'll need to make sure they don't have any money left on their account, or they'll lose it when they swap.

    Also, FWIW, Gold Coins stay on the region they were earned in, and are NOT lost when swapping regions (they just can't be used in other regions).

    I have encountered game codes that were (accidentally?) region free, as well. Got a code from the Argentina eshop that I was able to use on my US account... so it's worth a try to redeem before swapping.

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    Crippl3Crippl3 oh noRegistered User regular
    Simplified-yet-still-deep-and-also-really-cool fighting game Fantasy Strike is getting full crossplay between PC, Switch, and PS4 next month: http://www.fantasystrike.com/blog/2019/full-crossplay-is-coming-to-fantasy-strike
    Includes both casual and ranked matchmaking along with private matches and spectating no matter the platforms you're on.

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    I still think that our idea for how the timelines merge leading up to Breath of the Wild is pretty cleanly explained, in that we explained it at all

    hrm yes yes

    por que?

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    I ZimbraI Zimbra Worst song, played on ugliest guitar Registered User regular
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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I Zimbra wrote: »

    Kirby is named after the lawyer who fought for Nintendo during the Donkey Kong IP case.

    He also did a lot of other shit.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    He was also known for inhaling people and things entirely and subsuming their traits into his being, but it doesn’t come up much.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I should also point out that this guy isn't just remember for the DK case because 'lawl video games'

    It's an extremely important (and hilarious) case that is studied in IP law classes to this day.

    Hilarious because the big fuck you argument they used to win was "Ya'll argued that King Kong was in the public domain like, thirty years ago you mooks."

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Moriveth wrote: »
    He was also known for inhaling people and things entirely and subsuming their traits into his being, but it doesn’t come up much.

    He also got hats and junk after he ate people.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    sarukun wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    I'm a little further in Astral Chain. I have mixed feelings about it. In lieu of inlining the tweet I made about this, I'm just going to inline the image I made for it:

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    I really like the combat system in the game, and the more time I spend in it, the more I like it! There's a lot of layering going on, and the introduction of new systems feels very good, and there's just a very nice sense of audio/visual impact whenever you really get going with your hits. The Howl command from the Beast Legion, the Auto-Bind commands, pretty much all the Arms Legion sync attacks... a lot of what you do just feels good. Getting sync attacks out of command inputs that you get from upgrading your X-Baton? Fabulous.

    Less fabulous is not having, like, a movelist.

    Less fabulous by far is that the game doesn't seem interested in letting me just fight chimera. I appreciated that they wanted this to be more than an action game, even further alogn that trajectory than Wonderful 101 was, but this game either has much less fighting than TW101 or ten times as much non-combat crap without the systems being fun to engage with. Which I could sort of understand if the game weren't about empowering the player to feel cool and stylish, but it is about making the player feel cool and stylish. I think they wanted this platforming to be fun, instead of bad, and I think they thought these side missions where you carry ice cream and people run into you were supposed to be amusing.

    And. Christ. You're such a cop in this game. Why do you want me to care about graffiti, game? There are demons that are dragging people into Data Hell and turning them into other demons, I don't have time for this shit, and also graffiti is a legitimate artistic expression and public spaces aren't meant to be exclusively pristine and untouched

    Not all graffiti is the same, graffiti can indeed contribute to the perception that a public space is not well-kept, leading to others treating that public space poorly, and most importantly Japan’s understanding of “graffiti” and cultural relationship with it is very different from America’s (and, generally, a lot more unnecessarily negative, I would argue).

    Japan is a place where, the argument could be made, an overwhelming majority of people consider it their civic duty to be a narc.

    To clarify: every graffiti artist I've run into is depicted as a guerrilla artist expressing themselves, and have no criminal affiliations. More, their art is way out of the way—in several cases requiring very complex platforming to reach spots that are both vertically removed from public sight and interior-facing toward other buildings, never visible from main thoroughfares. And the art in question are always these really beautiful murals that feel like a reaction to the data demons who are kidnapping and killing people—nobody's marking the territory of non-existent gangs or anything like that

    I get that not all graffiti is the same; similarly, I get that cultural attitudes toward graffiti will differ between different parts of the world. The same is true regarding attitudes toward policing

    This is about my attitudes, as a person who lives in Canada and grew up in the US, and who wants to fight demons rather than send people to prison for painting on a wall

    These are good, just positions to take.

    Godspeed.

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    see317see317 Registered User regular
    Moriveth wrote: »
    He was also known for inhaling people and things entirely and subsuming their traits into his being, but it doesn’t come up much.

    When your lawyer eats the other sides lawyers in the middle of a crowded court room, it's kind of a win no matter the outcome.

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    DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    No, because it creates a super double-lawyer.

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    I have bought Luigi's Mansion 3 and Gooigi is my child and you cannot lewd them.

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    EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Sorry, but I’d bet money that someone out there is already working on something inspired by his Boo-detection powers.

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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    That’s really cute, also for some reason I assumed for one of them she’d just leave without letting them see her

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    i'm so tense about billie ellish because she's 17, i hope everything breaks good for her

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I would think she would get hot under that coat.

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    DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    Watching these young people have very extreme positive emotions was a very uplifting way to start my day.

    I think they all handled it way better than I would.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Yeah. None of the kids flipped out. That could have gone bad. Maybe one did and we didn't see it.

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    WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    I still think that our idea for how the timelines merge leading up to Breath of the Wild is pretty cleanly explained, in that we explained it at all

    hrm yes yes

    por que?

    Well, see, we basically started from the principle that Breath of the Wild makes canonical references to all the possible timelines, which is the same reasoning that leads to a lot of fan theories coming to the conclusion "Hey, the timelines have to have merged at some point in Breath of the Wild's staggeringly huge antiquity"

    Now lots of people come up with lots of different explanations for how that works—some of them even using the forbidden art of citing Hyrule Warriors—but ours is rooted in the Demise timeline, which posits that the first timeline split takes place in Skyward Sword, not Ocarina of Time. This means there are two separate instances of Ganondorf: the Four Swords Adventures character and the Ocarina of Time character, one of whom eventually inherits Demise's curse and one of whom does not. Once the second timeline split happens in Ocarina of Time, there are three Ganondorfs!

    Our reasoning is tied into the Imprisoning War, which is always a hoot to reference. I do recommend giving that section of the timeline an eyeballing, even if just in the bullet point form at the end of the document; it's pretty fun!

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    I still think that our idea for how the timelines merge leading up to Breath of the Wild is pretty cleanly explained, in that we explained it at all

    hrm yes yes

    por que?

    Well, see, we basically started from the principle that Breath of the Wild makes canonical references to all the possible timelines, which is the same reasoning that leads to a lot of fan theories coming to the conclusion "Hey, the timelines have to have merged at some point in Breath of the Wild's staggeringly huge antiquity"

    Now lots of people come up with lots of different explanations for how that works—some of them even using the forbidden art of citing Hyrule Warriors—but ours is rooted in the Demise timeline, which posits that the first timeline split takes place in Skyward Sword, not Ocarina of Time. This means there are two separate instances of Ganondorf: the Four Swords Adventures character and the Ocarina of Time character, one of whom eventually inherits Demise's curse and one of whom does not. Once the second timeline split happens in Ocarina of Time, there are three Ganondorfs!

    Our reasoning is tied into the Imprisoning War, which is always a hoot to reference. I do recommend giving that section of the timeline an eyeballing, even if just in the bullet point form at the end of the document; it's pretty fun!

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    WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    It's been a wonderful couple of years for discussing Zelda lore

    With every new entry it grows more cohesive yet more impenetrable

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    The triforce must fulfill Ganon's wish to rule all things, a wish he made in the backstory of A Link to the Past. The enormity of this wish means it cannot be fulfilled immediately, not even by the triforce, but it will be fulfilled. Continually, that wish has been interruped by Link and Zelda. But the triforce keeps bringing Ganon back so that the wish can be fulfilled. And "all things" means all things, including other timelines. So the Triforce merges the timelines so that Ganon can rule them.

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    Mx. QuillMx. Quill I now prefer "Myr. Quill", actually... {They/Them}Registered User regular
    Does the Triforce just decide to make Ganondorf into a pig just to sleight him

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    WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    -Tal wrote: »
    The triforce must fulfill Ganon's wish to rule all things, a wish he made in the backstory of A Link to the Past. The enormity of this wish means it cannot be fulfilled immediately, not even by the triforce, but it will be fulfilled. Continually, that wish has been interruped by Link and Zelda. But the triforce keeps bringing Ganon back so that the wish can be fulfilled. And "all things" means all things, including other timelines. So the Triforce merges the timelines so that Ganon can rule them.

    My favorite thing about Ganon's persistence throughout the series is that his conquest is inevitable, that Zelda and Link's victories are the stalling tactics of a desperate goddess who has no other answers

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    The triforce must fulfill Ganon's wish to rule all things, a wish he made in the backstory of A Link to the Past. The enormity of this wish means it cannot be fulfilled immediately, not even by the triforce, but it will be fulfilled. Continually, that wish has been interruped by Link and Zelda. But the triforce keeps bringing Ganon back so that the wish can be fulfilled. And "all things" means all things, including other timelines. So the Triforce merges the timelines so that Ganon can rule them.

    But Link obtains the Triforce in the ending of LttP, and presumably says fuck that

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Once upon a time, a thief of ill repute violated the sacred laws of the Gerudo and raided an ancient pyramid. Deep below lay a trident that held the curse of the demon king who once conquered time itself.

    The thief, who hungered to dominate the cosmos, became a pig-like beast, Ganon. The beast was defeated by the descendants of the Goddess and her Hero, and sealed inside a blade hidden in the Sacred Realm.

    Centuries passed, and the beast broke free of the sword. Wandering within the Sacred Realm, he discovered the forgotten Golden Power, which could grant the wish held in the heart of any who touched it. The beast wished to rule all things, and the Sacred Realm was transformed into the Dark World.

    This did not satisfy the beast, so he summoned an army of monsters to conquer the World of Light. Once again, the Goddess and the Hero sealed him away in the Dark World. He would try again, and again, and again, only to be killed or locked away each time, but always brought back by the Golden Power, which had not yet satisfied its covenant with the beast.

    In another time, in another place, the wish echoed. A thief of ill-repute defeated by a time-traveling hero broke free of a seal made by the gods. A thief of ill-repute imprisoned behind a mirror awoke in a realm of twilight. These men were mortal, and when they were killed, they did not come back.

    The Golden Power slowly merged these times and places until they were one time and place, which could be ruled by the beast. And the three thieves of ill repute became one terrible Calamity, more powerful than any of them alone. So long as the Golden Power exists, so too will the Calamity endlessly return to claim its rightful prize.

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    WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Polaritie wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    The triforce must fulfill Ganon's wish to rule all things, a wish he made in the backstory of A Link to the Past. The enormity of this wish means it cannot be fulfilled immediately, not even by the triforce, but it will be fulfilled. Continually, that wish has been interruped by Link and Zelda. But the triforce keeps bringing Ganon back so that the wish can be fulfilled. And "all things" means all things, including other timelines. So the Triforce merges the timelines so that Ganon can rule them.

    But Link obtains the Triforce in the ending of LttP, and presumably says fuck that

    The wish that Ganon made has yet to be granted; the Triforce cannot be used to permanently destroy him.

    The Royal Family possessed the entirety of the Triforce for many generations after Link to the Past, and again after Adventure of Link, and has possessed it through the ending of Breath of the Wild. It's wielded as a weapon against the Calamity in the finale of that game, and before that was used as the seal that kept Ganon beneath Hyrule Castle. Ten thousand years and more they have possessed it, and it has not stopped the beast's return.

    In spite of all that time, all that power, all that opportunity, all that need, the Triforce has never been used to wish Ganon away. It can't. Not until the covenant is fulfilled.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    The triforce must fulfill Ganon's wish to rule all things, a wish he made in the backstory of A Link to the Past. The enormity of this wish means it cannot be fulfilled immediately, not even by the triforce, but it will be fulfilled. Continually, that wish has been interruped by Link and Zelda. But the triforce keeps bringing Ganon back so that the wish can be fulfilled. And "all things" means all things, including other timelines. So the Triforce merges the timelines so that Ganon can rule them.

    My favorite thing about Ganon's persistence throughout the series is that his victory is inevitable, that Zelda and Link's victories are the stalling tactics of a desperate goddess who has no other answers

    Eh, if when Link failed it meant no more Link and Ganon's unquestioned victory then that might be the case. But because timeline splitting is a thing it makes both Link and Zelda no less eternal than himself. When they're capable of matching him for eternity then it's less a stalling tactic and more a battle without end.

    Even worse for Ganon is that he's the only one who doesn't change, he's the same individual throughout. Link and Zelda are new incarnations a lot of the time, they don't carry the baggage of a forever war or any disillusionment with the cycle because they're essentially different people in every instance. To Ganon, every time he's faced with the same two warriors with the power to push him back again and again and again. To Link and Zelda, they fight Ganon once or twice, eventually die because they're mortal, and eventually their descendants become the new Link and Zelda to repeat everything. It does mean they have to get back up to speed each time, but they're otherwise the perfect soldiers who live, fight, and die without ever questioning the eternal cycle.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    This distinguishes Ganon from Demise, who was in fact killed by Link wishing to drop a big rock on him.

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    WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    The triforce must fulfill Ganon's wish to rule all things, a wish he made in the backstory of A Link to the Past. The enormity of this wish means it cannot be fulfilled immediately, not even by the triforce, but it will be fulfilled. Continually, that wish has been interruped by Link and Zelda. But the triforce keeps bringing Ganon back so that the wish can be fulfilled. And "all things" means all things, including other timelines. So the Triforce merges the timelines so that Ganon can rule them.

    My favorite thing about Ganon's persistence throughout the series is that his victory is inevitable, that Zelda and Link's victories are the stalling tactics of a desperate goddess who has no other answers

    Eh, if when Link failed it meant no more Link and Ganon's unquestioned victory then that might be the case. But because timeline splitting is a thing it makes both Link and Zelda no less eternal than himself. When they're capable of matching him for eternity then it's less a stalling tactic and more a battle without end.

    Even worse for Ganon is that he's the only one who doesn't change, he's the same individual throughout. Link and Zelda are new incarnations a lot of the time, they don't carry the baggage of a forever war or any disillusionment with the cycle because they're essentially different people in every instance. To Ganon, every time he's faced with the same two warriors with the power to push him back again and again and again. To Link and Zelda, they fight Ganon once or twice, eventually die because they're mortal, and eventually their descendants become the new Link and Zelda to repeat everything. It does mean they have to get back up to speed each time, but they're otherwise the perfect soldiers who live, fight, and die without ever questioning the eternal cycle.

    From Link and Zelda's perspective, the battle is won, yes—though there are some instances, like in Breath of the Wild, where the princess understands that their victory is not the end, and that nothing they do can permanently stop Ganon.

    "The stalling tactics of a desperate goddess who has no other answers" is referring to Hylia, whose machinations were enough to see Demise destroyed but could not account for the old demon's plans birthing a far more terrible evil.

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    Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    edited November 2019
    -Tal wrote: »
    The triforce must fulfill Ganon's wish to rule all things, a wish he made in the backstory of A Link to the Past. The enormity of this wish means it cannot be fulfilled immediately, not even by the triforce, but it will be fulfilled. Continually, that wish has been interruped by Link and Zelda. But the triforce keeps bringing Ganon back so that the wish can be fulfilled. And "all things" means all things, including other timelines. So the Triforce merges the timelines so that Ganon can rule them.

    I've always been of the opinion the LttP backstory, i.e., the Imprisoning War, is just a time-garbled version of the events of OoT. Ganondorf was never actually able to make such a wish on the complete Triforce, that's just what him absorbing the Triforce of Power turned into over countless retellings.

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