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A.I. Advancement
Saeadeb
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I've been playing a lot of COD4 lately. I was thinking about how advanced they could make the computer intelligence. Could they advance games to a point where you are, in effect, ending lives? I believe so.
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Look at Portal.
Not possible. You could no more end their life killing them in game than you could playing against a human. They will re-spawn the next time you start the game. It's a silly argument.
As electricitylikesme said, It's going to be a while. But eventually? Maybe in the next few hundred years? Probably.
Ethicists then will have to decide on the answer of whether such a thing is moral or right. And almost certainly, I think, most people will agree it doesn't matter -- a being of our creation is ours to destroy and create again, is it not? Does an AI have rights? You could write a thousand books on it, and indeed, people have.
But for now, we're nowhere close. The complexity in a piece AI such as that in Call of Duty 4 is still only several thousand lines long. The human brain? The equivalent of billions and billions. We're at the point where it's just not even worth considering such a thing, because we have no idea how such a creation might work and react.
Oh, and if you really think you'd be more interested in thinking more about this, I suggest you start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%2C_Robot
It poses several other questions you probably haven't thought about.
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I'll check those stories out, thanks. I've never seen the movie.
Edit: it's in my public library, I'll pick it up on my way to work.
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No shit. Book, not movie. There's a reason I linked you to to wiki/I,_Robot and not wiki/I,_Robot_(film)
For the love of god, read the damn book. The movie is nothing like it.
(Personally, I thought it was great, as Will Smith movies go, though I know a lot of people hated it -- but regardless, it still has zero cultural importance when compared to the book, which is THE definitive tome on AI and Robotics.)
Oh, and I have to say:
If you don't even know the basics, then I suggest you learn them. You're probably approaching the problem from a completely naive and altogether useless standpoint. And I mean that in the least offensive way possible, believe me. But most people cannot even begin to comprehend the complexity behind true artificial intelligence programming. It's just not as easy as you think it is.
Gaming AI, on the other hand, is tricky, but not particularly mindblowing. They (real-life AI and game AI) are, however, two completely different concepts, as of current, and share very little in common in execution other than the basic psychological principals.
Game AI is all about balancing probabilities, and recognizing events in a world that has already been defined. "Guns are being fired, so I should tense up, and prepare to search for a threat" or "I'm being fired at. Return fire."
Real-life AI hasn't even begun to approach that. We're really still at the point where RL-AI's are all just learning to define the environments they explore, and nothing else. "Oh, this is a wall. Oh, this is a floor. Oh, this is a rubber ball. I hear a noise. It is bright. It is dark." -- Only the simplest and most primitive thoughts, and very little learning.
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I hate that advert, so stupid.
Edit: If I was AI, I would be too busy turning your pathetic computer infrastructure against you to be finding bargains.
For me, the biggest breakthrough in AI in the last god knows how many years was the Sims. That may sound a bit silly, but what they did was distribute the AI so that objects told the sims how to interact with them, which is absolute genius. What this means is, you can add new objects to the game and at the same time add new behaviours to everyone in it, rather than having a static hard-coded set of behaviours.
Thats like a pane of glass telling a soldier in COD4 that he can shoot through it
Really good AI uses up a lot of processing time, and is also VERY hard to debug. that's what is holding it back. You can get faster and faster video cards as much as you want, its still not going to help the AI. With physics being the current darling of game dev, a lot of CPU goes to physics, so the AI coder doesn't really have many mroe resources to spend than he used to.
In games? Probably not.
It's always going to be less expensive as far as memory, computing power, and program complexity to create context-based decision scripts like we have now than a self-aware AI. For the processing power necessary to create a single fully intelligent (if not self aware) opponent, huge numbers of opponents can be created that appear equally ingelligent, but are simply context-dependent interactions with the game world or player.
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Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
Dr. Hawkeye Pierce
Dr. Julian Bashir
Dr. House
The Doctor (EMH)
Ah so. Or Dr. Cox.
The Doctor (EMH) from Voyager was one of the most interesting characters in the Star Trek series. The psychological profile of actively trying to "learn" different areas of existence is something that could possibly be programmed into an A.I. and that we should try to be more like it.
This really shows up when he's with the other holographic doctor (Andy Dick) on a different ship trying to save it, without any knowledge of tactics or new technology.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
Notice how much of a backseat Janeway takes in comparison to, say, fucking Patrick Stewart with his being incredible
No Dr. John Zoidberg?
FEAR: Kill two guys. Listen to the others: "I've got 2 men down!" "Go flank him!" "Fuck you!"
Halo: Stick a brute / elite with a plasma grenade. "Get if off! Get if off!" boom, then all the Grunts that were under their control start running around with their heads cut off. "We're all going to dieeeeeee"
Halo and FEAR are not the hardest shooters I've ever played, but they definitely have the most memorable AI for me-- not frustratingly difficult, just really fun.
But as friendly AI goes, having them just be obscenely haxeriffic is pretty cool. Tagging some bad guys and calling an Open and Clear in R6 Vegas was hilarious as your squad would just 1shot everybody in the room
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Best of Game AI for Developers in 2007
Modeling Opinion Flow in Humans Using Boids Algorithm & Social Network Analysis
AI for Adaptive Opponents, Teammates, and NPCs
Finite State Machines
FSM
Flying Spaghetti Monster
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I see a pattern.
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Curses! I wrote down that exact idea in some notebook shortly before the sims came out. Perhaps I should sue. That's how intellectual property works, right?
I'm definitely not slighting Jeff or FEAR, since this is a great use of planning in games, something that I haven't heard much about before, especially in an FPS game, but it goes to show you how different academic AI research and game AI really is. As someone else mentioned, graphics and physics get the bulk of the CPU, and what is left for AI is mostly taken up by the path planner, which is fairly expensive depending on the genre of game you making, leaving little time for much else. If I was in the industry, game AI would probably be my first choice of assignment, but I was wooed by the high paying C# jobs in the finance industry and haven't really looked back. Every once in a while I still kind of wish I was back at school doing research, even though at the time I was doing it, I didn't feel completely satisfied.
True. I liked hearing the tangos get pissed off in R6:Vegas. "Fuck you! He was my friend!"
While they weren't real talkative, the Brutes in Halo 3 were some of my favorite bad guys in a shooter. Immensely fun to fight against. Huge contrast with the boring monster closet parts where the Flood zergrush you. Only good thing about the Flood was the cool effect when Gravemind talks to the chief.
And then you can predict moves. Like when I see a deadra roll back their hand, they are going to be throwing a fireball or something at me in Oblivion, so I continue for a second in a single direction, and then once the spell is released, I stop moving and the fireball flies by where I WOULD have been standing.
Kind of disappointing if you ask me.
If anything, they should have Point black Area of Effect spells, like they stamp on the ground with a hoof and *fooosh!* big circle of fire, or an exploding fireball, but no, just a tiny particle effect gliding across my screen that I can dodge easily...