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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] Stay Alert Home Alert Stay Household
Bogart
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Ugh.
At least it's Christmas next week.
At least it's Christmas next week.
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oh okay i guess it was stupid
Canada had a key advantage: the war was actually unpopular in Canada. Like, by a massive margin afaik. And even with that, Chretien was all "Oh sorry guys, we already committed all our troops to Afghanistan, so we couldn't send people anyway. Whoops!" to help mollify the US.
The UK seems to have been a lot more behind the whole thing.
Yes the general sentiment here about Iraq was "this is some bullshit, no thanks!"
Norway managed to stay out by our PM at the time being an actual priest from the Christian Peoples Party(KrF) and going "actually Jesus says war is uncool so I can't go" at Bush.
It was also majorly unpopular. Mostly because our press was actually reporting the truth and going That's It!?, when Colin Powell had his power point presentation at the UN. Didn't stop the BlueBlue right wing from saying that we should totally join.
RIP
Emma Lewell-Buck is a Labour MP for South Shields.
Meanwhile, Corbyn is in eternal search for guilty parties that aren't him:
Bit explode-y.
There's a trench in the middle that's full of a lot of World War ordinance that you would rather not explode.
Besides the British Government dumping its surplus ammunition into it after WWII, a wee bit of nuclear waste also ended up down there in the '50s.
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Actually, go for it. Kaiju tunnel.
Apparently the Irish Ministry for Tourism and Transport estimated in 1988 that a tunnel in the Irish Sea would cost twice as much as the Channel Tunnel, but that was an estimate for the south where the waters are shallower
I also found an article from 2015 stating that the geological composition of the rock isn't favourable
What about a tunnel further south? Starting at Bispham, Blackpool, England, going to Douglas Head on the Isle of Man, then Peel on the Isle of Man to Ardglass, County Down, NI?
What about the geology via that route?
There are no real locations that are conducive to a tunnel between Britain and Ireland
Edit: the Irish Sea is a lot deeper and the rocks a lot harder and older than the Channel. Also much less uniform geologically. The channel tunnel works because the same smooth, soft, uniform chalk that makes up the cliffs of Dover extends all the way to Calais
"Once more, unto the Breach..."
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With a majority of over 80, most of those new MP's who no doubt had to pledge allegiance to Boris to even be considered for their seats that is overwhelmingly unlikely. Even the ERG have shut up and got behind Boris. Say what you like about the Tories but their most enviable trait is their ability to line up in lockstep once it's clear which way the wind is blowing.
The Tories just won their biggest majority since Thatcher, the Boris bandwagon is in full swing and regardless of any disagreements they have internally I'm betting the Tories are going to be rock solid publicly for the foreseeable future.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14820042-200-danger-from-the-deep/
With a majority of 80, there probably is no single faction that can dictate anything to the PM.
There are several more.
Lisa is a Labour MP for Wigan.
Nice list of everything that's changed in the Brexit deal voted through by parliament today.
It's going to be a shit show.
2) cliff edge enshrined in law because you can always get an extension and blame it on someone
3) no environment or consumer rights protections
4) trade negotiations in secret and cut off from parliamentary scrutiny, presumably stuff will still filter from the EU side
5) more secrecy stuff to reduce accountability
6) the UK reserves the right to axe any protections afforded to EU citizens at "a stroke of a pen" which sucks massively
4 and 6 means that Boris totally plans to use EU citizens as hostages for trade benefits against the EU.
And he nows has carte blanche to do it so...
Well, the constituents want Brexit, so is it a relevant question?
Answering it is the POINT of representative government. If your constituents want a stupid thing that will hurt them you are supposed to say no because you aren't stupid.
I imagine until a true opponent rises the BBC are like a turtle on it's back at the minute. Without someone in the commons to defend them boisterously and get the public on side what can they do? I would hope that with the intention being to be independent that a lot of this stuff is just removed from Parliament's hands by the next government. What is the point of independence if you are still controllable by the party in power?
We are waaaaaaay beyond that now. The people know it’s stupid, they don’t care, they want it anyway.
Patriotism!
Rob Burly and LauraK are Johnson fan boys. This isn't about a defence mechanism, this is about their senior political staff being stock with outriders for Boris.
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A full million of the original versions were melted down when we didn't leave on October 31st.
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Actual serious hypothesis: if the EU doesn't inform Parliament to make absolutely certain that those laws removing worker rights and protections and so forth don't take effect until Britain actually Brexits (on pain of extra consequences), they could cheat the system and get Britain (or rather, Britain-based rich people) special privileges by removing all these protections on the date they're supposed to Brexit, and then deciding "nah let's not", revoking article 50, and staying in the EU but with all these exemptions for themselves.
And don't say the base would revolt, either, because we all know that cognitive dissonance isn't a thing that happens to cultists.
I disagree.
I think the luxuries afforded to us by our standards of living have made us undisciplined and somewhat lazy.
People like, or rather the ideologies of, Johnson, Moog, Farage, Trump et al. are the McDonalds of the mind.
The base is cognitively obese, but once you take away their stuff (protections, social aid, health care, etc.) they'll turn around.
It'll be too late and I'm convinced that Boris will be able to deflect most if not all of the blame towards the EU/foreigners.
If that happens the Tories have four years to convince the population that it's not their fault and judging by the recent election they'll probably succeed.
it would just be hard hard hard Brexit with us being full “random country” trade status with eu
rebecca long-bailey leadership campaign lead by the same old lunatics who drove Corbyn into the ground
mcdonnell possibly not going to publicly back her as a result which is bizarre given she’s generally thought of as the Corbyn McDonnell heir apparent, but it shows how wide the split between McDonnell and others had become by the end
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Is there any way they can reasonably be free of Parliamentary shenanigans while still being subscription funded, or should they start asking NPR and PBS what sort of tote bags really brings in the donations during pledge week?