It's progress but assuming it ever came to pass it's going to be awkward if we fall for that pish again and England goes "NOOOOOOPPPPPPPEEE"! Will the proposal be ranked choice?
The talk of a split from UK Labour is more interesting. I wonder if it has a shot. It's over due.
As much as I would prefer a federal UK to outright independence I trust Westminster to enact it in good faith about as much as I trust my dog with an unguarded plate of sausages.
Labour promising federalism at the 11th hour looks too much like deja vu to me.
Fuck the royals. Most of them are variations of useless to nasty, and even the Queen, who may or may not be great is still a glittering inanimate object squatting on a branch of government/the state that really should be capable of independent action, such as was needed during the prorogation bullshit.
Good riddance when/if the whole pointless wasteful charade falls apart.
Dugdale's big idea was to get the Labour party as a whole behind federalism as the basis of a manifesto programme of constitutional reform, not necessarily to put it to a referendum rooted in particularly Scottish issues
In particular, she wanted UK wide constitutional conventions to set the direction as to what it would mean across the UK (particularly because it would probably also mean devolution to the English regions)
It didn't go anywhere because Corbyn is not the least bit interested in constitutional issues and more generally is the kind of unionist that hasn't thought very hard at any point about what that means or why they hold that position
Honestly, if I were SNP. The smarter play for a referendum wouldn't be to have it as just one. The smarter play would be to push for the UK to have a referendum on a federal system. Put a time table on it. If it doesn't go anywhere or if it fails, then you push for the independence referendum and also get to campaign on the fact that federalism is off the table. If they voted it down, then it's clearly off the table. If Boris runs the clock out, assuming you allowed for adequate time, you can easily argue despite no vote being held that it's off the table because if the Tories were acting in good faith, they'd have held one.
Pretty sure the last referendum failed because a majority of Scots wanted to stay in the EU and that was looking iffy IIRC. Now that the UK is pulling out of the EU, that's no long a factor holding people back on voting to leave the UK. So if they did the play on the federalism thing and it fell through because the Tories are just scum, then they'd probably have a fairly easy time at hitting the needed vote.
As for the whole royalty thing. I have to roll my eyes at the tabloids for being butthurt that they got told to fuck off. I'm a bit amazed they didn't expect this because Meghan came from a culture that wasn't going to stick around and put up with that shit. Harry is smart to also leave because the whole setup seems absolutely toxic. It's just a useless figure head spot, that apparently gets tons of shit because of assholes. I got the impression, that regardless of how good or bad you were, the British tabloids were going to shit on you.
That Megan and Harry stuff... damn that’s some pettiness!
I’m almost jealous, over here with Trump’s commoner pettiness, as compared with royal pettiness.
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I guess I'm just not racist enough to have realized there was anything about Meghan to be racist about
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I guess I'm just not racist enough to have realized there was anything about Meghan to be racist about
These are people who believe that the right and ability to rule are passed down through the bloodline and that people with darker skin are somehow tainted and inferior. It’s not a logical thing.
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Also her political positions. The tabloids hate outspoken progressives, and the fact that an outspoken progressive woman dared to marry into their precious Royal Family and not shut up made them furious. "Princess of Woke" is the less offensive nickname.
The Labour proposal is blatantly trying to cause a vote split between a federal system and Scotland leaving the UK in order to get the Remain vote win thanks to a plurality. The SNP would be idiots to take that proposal.
This all would have been easier for the tabloids if Harry had married an older white conservative man, you know, the only kind of person they consider to be an actual human worthy of respect
I guess I'm just not racist enough to have realized there was anything about Meghan to be racist about
These are people who believe that the right and ability to rule are passed down through the bloodline and that people with darker skin are somehow tainted and inferior. It’s not a logical thing.
I was gonna make a joke about how it's her nationality (being American), rather than her race, that was the cause of the ire from the tabloids.
Then I remembered that people are just truly absurdly shitty when it comes to trivialities like skintone. And it should never be forgotten that for as shitty as the tabloids are for reporting their garbage, it's only because there is a sufficient audience of similarly absurdly shitty people who buy their papers.
The one thing I wouldn't count on though, if I were the Sussexes, is that this will end. It might not be in their face as much, but I can't see the tabloids relenting on trashing them.
Gardiner now says he won't stand, because after ringing round colleagues he's discovered no one likes him enough to nominate him.
Nandy, RLB and Phillips have all passed the 22 nominations mark and so qualify as candidates. Lewis and Thornberry have yet to qualify. Starmer remains well ahead of everyone else, but winning the backing of MPs isn;t the same as winning the backing of the membership, as we've seen.
RLB is not a nutter, though she's definitely as close to a continuity candidate as the field has. She's hired Jon Lansman (founder of Momentum) to run her campaign and a young arsehead who used to work for Corbyn as one of his media guys to be her comms guy. I'd expect Corbyn's supporters to mostly rally around her, though possibly not enough to make her win. A reasonable amount of the shine on Corbyn was on him personally (nope, never got it myself, don't get it now), so not all of it transfers easily to someone else.
Then again, Momentum have proven they can vote in lockstep whenever they're asked to, which is why the NEC elections routinely return their preferred candidates and no one else.
RLB is not a nutter, though she's definitely as close to a continuity candidate as the field has. She's hired Jon Lansman (founder of Momentum) to run her campaign and a young arsehead who used to work for Corbyn as one of his media guys to be her comms guy. I'd expect Corbyn's supporters to mostly rally around her, though possibly not enough to make her win. A reasonable amount of the shine on Corbyn was on him personally (nope, never got it myself, don't get it now), so not all of it transfers easily to someone else.
Then again, Momentum have proven they can vote in lockstep whenever they're asked to, which is why the NEC elections routinely return their preferred candidates and no one else.
I really can't wrap my head around this myself. Whether you like or hate his policies (I never found any of them that disagreeable even if I raised my eyebrows at free broadband), the man personally was never anything more or less than a bog-standard issue grumpy old cunt. Then again there are people who think Donald Trump is likeable and smart, that Kim Jong Un loves his people and doesn't produce bodily waste and that a balding midget like Vladimir Putin can take down a bear in a wrestling competition. Cults of personality are like religion, either you have the mindset that buys into it or you don't, and if you do then boy-howdy does reality just ping off that faith powered armour.
Millions of elderly Tories still yearn for Maggie to rise from the grave and tell them off for being naughty boys. When I'm old and grey there'll be a long queue of duffers who've long since put down the pile of Socialist Worker they were selling, but all still sure Corbyn was the best Prime Minister we never had and if it hadn't been for the media and *taps nose conspiratorially* you know who he'd have won.
RLB gave him 10/10 as leader in an interview not because she'd dumb enough to believe that, but because she knows his followers would accept nothing less.
It's progress but assuming it ever came to pass it's going to be awkward if we fall for that pish again and England goes "NOOOOOOPPPPPPPEEE"! Will the proposal be ranked choice?
The talk of a split from UK Labour is more interesting. I wonder if it has a shot. It's over due.
As much as I would prefer a federal UK to outright independence I trust Westminster to enact it in good faith about as much as I trust my dog with an unguarded plate of sausages.
Labour promising federalism at the 11th hour looks too much like deja vu to me.
Fuck the royals. Most of them are variations of useless to nasty, and even the Queen, who may or may not be great is still a glittering inanimate object squatting on a branch of government/the state that really should be capable of independent action, such as was needed during the prorogation bullshit.
Good riddance when/if the whole pointless wasteful charade falls apart.
Basically their remaining reason to exist appears to be as a punching bag for tabloid faffing. Sometimes the only correct move in a game is to walk away from the table and stop playing it. I think harry and his wife made the right choice.
After 1,089 days, power sharing is back on and Northern Ireland has a functioning devolved government again. Here’s the details from RTÉ News, Ireland’s public broadcast news service.
When the DUP were Westminster kingmakers it suited their purpose to have Stormont deadlocked and power lying with a Westminster government that needed their votes. Now that's no longer the case and the Tories have shat on them from a great height I guess they've realised Stormont is the only place people will even pretend to listen to them yelling at clouds.
I haven't mentioned it much, but the talks have been hammering away for a good long while, and it was basically two days before Ireland and the UK would have agreed to call a snap election in Northern Ireland, which the polls suggest would not have worked out well for either the DUP (who were the final party holding out on a deal until now) and Sinn Fein.
RLB is not a nutter, though she's definitely as close to a continuity candidate as the field has. She's hired Jon Lansman (founder of Momentum) to run her campaign and a young arsehead who used to work for Corbyn as one of his media guys to be her comms guy. I'd expect Corbyn's supporters to mostly rally around her, though possibly not enough to make her win. A reasonable amount of the shine on Corbyn was on him personally (nope, never got it myself, don't get it now), so not all of it transfers easily to someone else.
Then again, Momentum have proven they can vote in lockstep whenever they're asked to, which is why the NEC elections routinely return their preferred candidates and no one else.
I really can't wrap my head around this myself. Whether you like or hate his policies (I never found any of them that disagreeable even if I raised my eyebrows at free broadband), the man personally was never anything more or less than a bog-standard issue grumpy old cunt. Then again there are people who think Donald Trump is likeable and smart, that Kim Jong Un loves his people and doesn't produce bodily waste and that a balding midget like Vladimir Putin can take down a bear in a wrestling competition. Cults of personality are like religion, either you have the mindset that buys into it or you don't, and if you do then boy-howdy does reality just ping off that faith powered armour.
I mentioned this before, but watching an old BBC documentary on Labour and A Wild Corbyn Appears! and he's just the most boring low-energy motherfucker.
I haven't mentioned it much, but the talks have been hammering away for a good long while, and it was basically two days before Ireland and the UK would have agreed to call a snap election in Northern Ireland, which the polls suggest would not have worked out well for either the DUP (who were the final party holding out on a deal until now) and Sinn Fein.
This is what bugs me about it it really. I feel that a snap election should have been called regardless of a deal being reached or not. The electoral map in NI has shifted massively in the most recent elections, so handing power to parties on the back of a nearly three year old result, during which they did nothing of note, is absurd.
2:30pm today we'll find out who goes forward in the Labour leader and deputy leader contests and who gets to say they're glad they run anyway and starting campaigning quietly for shadow cabinet positions.
So far only Angela Rayner and Ian Murray have qualified to go forward for the deputy leader election, and Thornberry and Lewis are still not ovr the line for nominations for leader.
Burgon not making the nominations for deputy leader would be excellent and well deserved but I suspect he'll be nudged over the line at some point today by the very stupid. Rayner will surely eat most of his lunch in the proper contest, anyway, but I'd like him to suffer the earliest, most humiliating exit.
The government's offer for extra money as part of the deal to restore Stormont "falls way short" of what was promised, Finance Minister Conor Murphy has said.
Mr Murphy was speaking after the Stormont parties met Secretary of State Julian Smith to discuss how much will be allocated.
The finance minister refused to comment on how much exactly had been proposed.
Earlier the prime minister said the government had made "huge commitments" as part of the deal.
On Monday evening Mr Murphy said: "As far as I'm concerned the conversation hasn't ended, there's still work to be done.
"We have to analyse the verbal figures that were given to us tonight by the secretary of state, but my initial read of them is they fall way short and I wouldn't tend to accept that."
He said the government had made commitments to the Stormont parties.
"They can't come today and congratulate us for living up to our commitments and then not live up to their own," he said.
Mr Murphy had previously said more than £1.5bn was needed.
Not meeting our commitments to a part of the UK is a terrific example to give to all the countries we're about to have desperate trade deal negotiations with.
Y'know, growing up I never really got (on a technical level) how British people could be racist towards Irish people, and whenever it was brought up I assumed it was some kind of exaggeration...
But no.
(Related aside: I was watching an early episode of The Saint the other day, and a villain's peculiarities were hand-waved away with a comment about how they were Irish so you couldn't expect them to act normally. It was pretty jarring.)
Y'know, growing up I never really got (on a technical level) how British people could be racist towards Irish people, and whenever it was brought up I assumed it was some kind of exaggeration...But no.
Saying 'Why isn't he called Murphy like the rest of them?' is hardly indicative of racism. Did you read a book describing racism and somehow think this is it?
I must say I never heard anyone from Iceland with the surname 'Uses a patronymic system'.
Y'know, growing up I never really got (on a technical level) how British people could be racist towards Irish people, and whenever it was brought up I assumed it was some kind of exaggeration...But no.
Saying 'Why isn't he called Murphy like the rest of them?' is hardly indicative of racism. Did you read a book describing racism and somehow think this is it?
I must say I never heard anyone from Iceland with the surname 'Uses a patronymic system'.
“Like the rest of them” is genericising an entire people in one go. And “Murphies” was definitely a slur/slang for the Irish when I was growing up. It can also be read as diminishing, pejorative and dismissive. Which given the tone of Johnson’s remarks, it was presumably intended to be.
Less charged(?), is there some way to get Buffon out of the Labour deputy leader race. I mean, look how the last “keep them honest” candidate worked out.
Y'know, growing up I never really got (on a technical level) how British people could be racist towards Irish people, and whenever it was brought up I assumed it was some kind of exaggeration...But no.
Saying 'Why isn't he called Murphy like the rest of them?' is hardly indicative of racism.
And “Murphies” was definitely a slur/slang for the Irish when I was growing up. It can also be read as diminishing, pejorative and dismissive. Which given the tone of Johnson’s remarks, it was presumably intended to be.
Less charged(?), is there some way to get Buffon out of the Labour deputy leader race. I mean, look how the last “keep them honest” candidate worked out.
I've never heard the term 'Murphies' but I am not sure where you are from. It also is pretty hard to determine someones 'tone' from print. Is calling the French 'frogs' racist too? I hate to break it to you but many well known comedians say things like that as part of their routine. They are called 'jokes'.
Rayner will beat the stinky Burgon probably just by shouting loads so he cannot get a word in edgeways.
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Good on Harry for deciding to fuck it all off and do something else
At this point, it’s probably also a good business move for Harry and Meghan to disassociate their brand from the UK.
Good riddance when/if the whole pointless wasteful charade falls apart.
Scotland can have the (non-binding) referendum on it, and the rest of the UK will get it's say on the matter as the bill goes through Parliament.
In particular, she wanted UK wide constitutional conventions to set the direction as to what it would mean across the UK (particularly because it would probably also mean devolution to the English regions)
It didn't go anywhere because Corbyn is not the least bit interested in constitutional issues and more generally is the kind of unionist that hasn't thought very hard at any point about what that means or why they hold that position
Pretty sure the last referendum failed because a majority of Scots wanted to stay in the EU and that was looking iffy IIRC. Now that the UK is pulling out of the EU, that's no long a factor holding people back on voting to leave the UK. So if they did the play on the federalism thing and it fell through because the Tories are just scum, then they'd probably have a fairly easy time at hitting the needed vote.
As for the whole royalty thing. I have to roll my eyes at the tabloids for being butthurt that they got told to fuck off. I'm a bit amazed they didn't expect this because Meghan came from a culture that wasn't going to stick around and put up with that shit. Harry is smart to also leave because the whole setup seems absolutely toxic. It's just a useless figure head spot, that apparently gets tons of shit because of assholes. I got the impression, that regardless of how good or bad you were, the British tabloids were going to shit on you.
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I’m almost jealous, over here with Trump’s commoner pettiness, as compared with royal pettiness.
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The Labour proposal is blatantly trying to cause a vote split between a federal system and Scotland leaving the UK in order to get the Remain vote win thanks to a plurality. The SNP would be idiots to take that proposal.
I was gonna make a joke about how it's her nationality (being American), rather than her race, that was the cause of the ire from the tabloids.
Then I remembered that people are just truly absurdly shitty when it comes to trivialities like skintone. And it should never be forgotten that for as shitty as the tabloids are for reporting their garbage, it's only because there is a sufficient audience of similarly absurdly shitty people who buy their papers.
The one thing I wouldn't count on though, if I were the Sussexes, is that this will end. It might not be in their face as much, but I can't see the tabloids relenting on trashing them.
Nandy, RLB and Phillips have all passed the 22 nominations mark and so qualify as candidates. Lewis and Thornberry have yet to qualify. Starmer remains well ahead of everyone else, but winning the backing of MPs isn;t the same as winning the backing of the membership, as we've seen.
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Is there a nutter in there that momentum might rally around, or are we returning to some semblance of common sense in picking a leader?
Then again, Momentum have proven they can vote in lockstep whenever they're asked to, which is why the NEC elections routinely return their preferred candidates and no one else.
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I really can't wrap my head around this myself. Whether you like or hate his policies (I never found any of them that disagreeable even if I raised my eyebrows at free broadband), the man personally was never anything more or less than a bog-standard issue grumpy old cunt. Then again there are people who think Donald Trump is likeable and smart, that Kim Jong Un loves his people and doesn't produce bodily waste and that a balding midget like Vladimir Putin can take down a bear in a wrestling competition. Cults of personality are like religion, either you have the mindset that buys into it or you don't, and if you do then boy-howdy does reality just ping off that faith powered armour.
RLB gave him 10/10 as leader in an interview not because she'd dumb enough to believe that, but because she knows his followers would accept nothing less.
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Basically their remaining reason to exist appears to be as a punching bag for tabloid faffing. Sometimes the only correct move in a game is to walk away from the table and stop playing it. I think harry and his wife made the right choice.
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It seems to have come from Northern Ireland!
When the DUP were Westminster kingmakers it suited their purpose to have Stormont deadlocked and power lying with a Westminster government that needed their votes. Now that's no longer the case and the Tories have shat on them from a great height I guess they've realised Stormont is the only place people will even pretend to listen to them yelling at clouds.
I haven't mentioned it much, but the talks have been hammering away for a good long while, and it was basically two days before Ireland and the UK would have agreed to call a snap election in Northern Ireland, which the polls suggest would not have worked out well for either the DUP (who were the final party holding out on a deal until now) and Sinn Fein.
I mentioned this before, but watching an old BBC documentary on Labour and A Wild Corbyn Appears! and he's just the most boring low-energy motherfucker.
This is what bugs me about it it really. I feel that a snap election should have been called regardless of a deal being reached or not. The electoral map in NI has shifted massively in the most recent elections, so handing power to parties on the back of a nearly three year old result, during which they did nothing of note, is absurd.
So far only Angela Rayner and Ian Murray have qualified to go forward for the deputy leader election, and Thornberry and Lewis are still not ovr the line for nominations for leader.
Burgon not making the nominations for deputy leader would be excellent and well deserved but I suspect he'll be nudged over the line at some point today by the very stupid. Rayner will surely eat most of his lunch in the proper contest, anyway, but I'd like him to suffer the earliest, most humiliating exit.
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Wow.
Y'know, growing up I never really got (on a technical level) how British people could be racist towards Irish people, and whenever it was brought up I assumed it was some kind of exaggeration...
But no.
(Related aside: I was watching an early episode of The Saint the other day, and a villain's peculiarities were hand-waved away with a comment about how they were Irish so you couldn't expect them to act normally. It was pretty jarring.)
Saying 'Why isn't he called Murphy like the rest of them?' is hardly indicative of racism. Did you read a book describing racism and somehow think this is it?
I must say I never heard anyone from Iceland with the surname 'Uses a patronymic system'.
“Like the rest of them” is genericising an entire people in one go. And “Murphies” was definitely a slur/slang for the Irish when I was growing up. It can also be read as diminishing, pejorative and dismissive. Which given the tone of Johnson’s remarks, it was presumably intended to be.
Less charged(?), is there some way to get Buffon out of the Labour deputy leader race. I mean, look how the last “keep them honest” candidate worked out.
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I've never heard the term 'Murphies' but I am not sure where you are from. It also is pretty hard to determine someones 'tone' from print. Is calling the French 'frogs' racist too? I hate to break it to you but many well known comedians say things like that as part of their routine. They are called 'jokes'.
Rayner will beat the stinky Burgon probably just by shouting loads so he cannot get a word in edgeways.
Then you demean the original meaning of the word. Its lazy language and a good example of bad faith politics.
I'm not sure why you think statements of this type cannot be racist, "because they're jokes".
That would imply there's no such thing as a racist statement, provided the person responsible claims it's a joke. I disagree, obviously.